Session start: Sat Aug 30 21:26:58 2008
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20080829
Jack> Hi everyone, I've just posted a detailed thematic annotation of Forum Member Even's great summary of his three year practice history at Last longer in bed using the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ - View Single Post - Thoughts and questions from a beginner I hope you'll add your comments. And please DO mark any threads as Gold Nugget when you find them to be helpful. Include key words and key phrases to help others find this great info more easily using our Google Site Search Tool. Thanks!
Jack> Warm Welcome to dlg1976 and to NEWEST Newbie caesargus!
Jack> Remember to click the Gold Nuggets Success Stories and the Google Site Search links for great posts!
Jack> I'll personally be hosting TWO live chats right here this Saturday. See Countdown Clock, top of this page.
Jack> Hi Mog and Even... are your ears burning? I'm talking about you both in the chat reminder I'm sending out... I hope to see you in the chats tomorrow!
tiphereth> Hey Jack, everyone. Lookin forward to tomorrow. )
Jack> GREAT, tiphereth! I look forward to hearing your latest reports then!
Laly> Hi guys :)
Jack> Hey Laly, chat with you tomorrow, I hope!
rumel> How does one post a question in the Forum?
rumel> I'm new to this site, and very lost about how to use and navigate here. Is there any kind of help file for learning the Who, What, Why, Where, When and How of things here?
rumel> Hlaser, maybe you can drop me an email to explain it a bit?
Buster> Hey Laser!
artform> Hey! HO! rumel, Buster, hlaser99! I hope you will all be back for the chat!
Jack> Hi I will soon be putting up some youtube videos on how to navigate the Forum. There are so many features, it is for SURE a bit intimidating at first!
Jack> Hi artform!
Buster> Artform, Laser, SDidan, how are you today?
hlaser99> Good, Pal!
hlaser99> Are we in the right chat room, Guys???
Buster> Yup, this is where it happens. Of course, Jack is usually here.
Jack> Yes you are! One moment while I post the official opening. :)
Buster> Wait for it..........
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Training and Discussion Chat of 20080906 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
Jack> Ta Daaaaaaa! ;)
Jack> Howdy guys!
Jack> Glad you could make it!
Buster> What does the "MA" mean Jack?
hlaser99> Glad to be here...
tiphereth> Hey Jack.
Jack> For the benefit of subsequent readers of this chat transcript as well as all of you present, how about once around the room with a brief introduction - generally, where you're typing from, age, how long practicing KSMO, and what you're interested in discussing today, plus anything else you'd care to mention.
Jack> Might glad you're here too, hlaser!
hlaser99> Been a long time!
Jack> Yeah we've missed you!
Jack> I hope life's been good for you! I just made a great slip. I wrote I hope life's been food for you. That too! :)
hlaser99> hi, hlaser, Central Florida, couple of years, 61 today!
Jack> Welcome to artform too! I was just inviting a once around the room intro of everybody, artform. You can see what I asked for by clicking the Expand Chatbox to Full Page button just to the right of the ChatBox entry box.
hlaser99> Hanging in there!
artform> Aneros and Ksmo practitioner for over a year and a half and now TOTALLY ECSTATIC ENERGETIC! Hallelujah! THANKS JACK and Aneros!
Buster> Happy Birthday my friend!
Jack> Wow! Totally Happy Birthday and Re-Birthday Hlaser!
tiphereth> Lithia Springs GA, 30 yrs, practising off and on since last December
hlaser99> Tanks Mang!
Jack> Good on ya, Tiph!
Jack> <hlaser No problemo, esse!
artform> Happy B-day hlaser! Joining we 61ers! Many happy returns of the day.
hlaser99> Who's Esse?
hlaser99> thanks...
rumel> Sacramento, 61, total KSMO virgin. HAPPY BIRTHDAY HLASER99!
Jack> "esse" is a slang term from the barrio for brother (more or less), or: dude. Something like that.
Jack> Yeah Warm Welcome, Rumel!!!
hlaser99> Cool!
hlaser99> Hi Rumel!
artform> Great to have you here too rumel!
Buster> Hey Rumel. Welcome.
Valentine> Orange County, 24, about a year, alchemy. :)
Jack> Always great to see you too, Buster, and our resident parcourist, Valentine!
artform> Are you also on The Tao Bums Val?
Jack> Or is it parcourier? :)
hlaser99> Orange Co. as in Cal. . . .
Valentine> yes
rumel> I thought I'd listen in to get a feel for things here. I would like to get suggestions about where to go on the site to get the newbies most important information.
Valentine> Parkour ;)
artform> Thanks!
Jack> Oh yeah, I seriously owe the TaoBums some answers to questions about KSMO they graciously asked a very long time ago.
Jack> Parkourista, eh Val? :)
Valentine> I did not like the community at toa bums, unfortunately
Jack> Yeah Rumel, in the works for the next few months are some little training videos to help newbies find your way around.
Buster> I hear you so far Val.
hlaser99> this web site IS a little different from the Aneros Forum, Rumel!
Jack> Did you read the text files I sent you when you first made your purchase? There are tips in there.
artform> TTB is very different but there are threads and posters who look interesting and have expressed interest recently in my posts in xeno's CCO thread...
Jack> Meanwhile, rumel, you did right by coming to the chat to get lets of great advice from our panel of experts in the chat today! Also, clicking the Gold Nuggets link is a good way to get an overview of the whole process - great Success Stories.
rumel> I did read them but that was more than a year ago so I guess I need to dig them out and read again.
Jack> And please DO start a blog to journal your experiences and questions. You can also post question in The Lounge sub-forum.
artform> I have just begun a blog there and will see...
Jack> Definitely rumel dig'em and use them as a checklist.
Valentine> I enjoy your blog AND posts Artform!
rumel> I am having trouble s staying logged on as I traverse the site which is very, VERY irritating and discouraging.
Jack> Also, rumel (and others), traditionally, after everyone has said their howdies and given a brief intro, we follow a Protocol I dubbed The Talking Stick, where - usually starting with the person newest to the Forum, or with the least experience has The Talking Stick, that is, has the floor, to ask questions and get answers and support from everyone, and we take it from there.
artform> Thanks Val!
Jack> Rumel... I mention that log in issue in those ahem instructions I provided to you. :) When you log in check the Remember Me box just to the right of where you put in your username. It's a bug in vBulletin and I have no idea why they've never fixed it!
hlaser99> Are you using Firefox, Rumel?
Jack> < artform. Yeah me too, for SURE!
Buster> I don't have that issue Rumel. I am using Firefox if that helps.
rumel> I'm using IE6, I've tried repeatedly using the Remember me checkbox to no avail.
Jack> Good Tip, Buster, thanks! Yeah Firefox is one of the least quirky browsers.
Jack> Rumel do you have any browser installed other than IE6?
Jack> It's often the worst to use.
rumel> NO.
Jack> I think we'd all recommend that you install Firefox. It's pretty easy.
Jack> Good ol' OPEN SOURCE software rocks again!
rumel> I'll look into it.
Jack> IE is notorious for being unbelievably quirky.
hlaser99> I find FireFox is more stable, but I havent tried vs. 3 yet, too new!
Jack> rumel yeah just go to Firefox web browser | Faster, more secure, & customizable and download it. It's free and takes just a few minutes to install.
hlaser99> I use 2.xx
Buster> I am on 3.0.01
Jack> Also, rumel, ANY TIME you get stuck or need help you can just email me directly: jack at-sign multiples.com. The address from which I sent you all of the welcome information. I usually include my cellphone number in those emails too.
Jack> I also want to give a special shout out to SDidan... Nice to have YOU here too!
rumel> I notice that the majority of us are also Aneros Forum members, interesting?
Jack> Yes indeed!
hlaser99> We tend to be Anal at times?
Jack> And the good people at Aneros have been VERY supportive of KSMO since the earliest days of BOTH their website and mine.
Jack> lol hlaser!
Buster> I got a chuckle too.
artform> ...and four here now on Tao Bums!
tiphereth> He couldnt help it.
Jack> Yes, TaoBums is another VERY supportive website as well.
Jack> Yeah I hear ya tiphereth!
Jack> I got a bit of news to share very quickly.
Jack> My wife and I just recently received confirmation that we've been accepted for Permanent Resident visas in Canada! So now we get to be dualies or doolies. US citizens (still, always...) but also can live and work in Canada. Which is cool because we LOVE BC, eh!
Buster> Congratulations Jack.
artform> It is great to see how much this means to you two!!
hlaser99> CONGRATS TOO!, Jack?
tiphereth> Obama and Mcain make me want to move to Canda=P
Jack> Thanks guys! What a long strange trip it's been... It' taken over two years to get this far.
artform> Now you are bi-cultural!
Jack> tiphereth, we'll leave the light on for ya, eh!
hlaser99> We better stay away from Politics!
Jack> Yes artform, definitely bi... cultural.
Jack> Yeah I hear THAT too, hlaser!
tiphereth> Thanks.
Jack> y/w tiph!
Buster> So, who's got the stick?
hlaser99> Indeed!
Jack> Due to that visa acceptance, we'll be on the road somewhat starting around the 15th. I'll still be connected to the Forum and emails but there may be some delays when we're actually on the road.
Jack> Attaboy, Buster!
hlaser99> Rumel, Eh?
Jack> I think we should pass it first to rumel, to get all of his questions answered, then perhaps to SDidan, and then onward from there. How's that sound?
Jack> Same page, hlaser99! ;)
Buster> Bring it on Rumel!
hlaser99> great!
Jack> Ok, rumel, how about it? What questions do you have about how best to get started in the Forum, and also how is your practice going, what questions in that regard?
rumel> OK after I re-read Jack's initial instructions, Where on the site should I FIRST go to get good helpful tips?
Jack> What do the rest of you guys recommend?
rumel> Should I have Jack analyze my articulation before getting too far into practicing?
Buster> Mauvering around this site has never been my strong suit.
Jack> And btw, rumel, the pdf document is your basic Flight Manual for thrice weekly practice.
hlaser99> I would...
Valentine> I suggest reading the first few chat scripts
Jack> I hear ya Buster! vBulletin is superpowerful software but they've NEVER made it very user friendly. I'm still working on improving that and would WELCOME suggestions!
Jack> Val, what do you mean by first ones?
Jack> The earliest ones, or??
Valentine> yeah, the very first ones ever
Buster> Rumel, getting his analysis of your articulation should be the very first thing you do.
Jack> A Righteous AMEN to THAT, Buster!
Buster> I had to do it via phone because of my computer issues. Had a great chat on top of it.
hlaser99> I would get the voicing down and teh 3 - 20 min. sessions...
hlaser99> then post questions...
artform> I have made a habit of checking the main Page>Lounge>Recent threads and finding what topics are my current area of interest...
Jack> And rumel, if you need help with making an .mp3 and uploading it, just let me know.
hlaser99> Rumel's a pro!
artform> ... as a quick site scan since I started here.
hlaser99> As some of us are quite busy, it would be nice if we could find a quick synopsis of updates very quickly...
artform> The Google Site Search is great for finding all the resources here on a particular subject or issue.
Jack> Yes it SURE is, artform!
Jack> When you search on a phrase in the Google Site Search, be sure to enclose in "double quotes" like I just did.
rumel> The MP# is not a problem, a great search engine is of little help when one doesn't know the rght questions to ask.
Ageless> Hi Everyone
Jack> hlaser, for quick synopsis of latest updates, click the New Posts link on the 2nd horizontal Navigation bar. It's between the Blogs link and the Gold Nuggets link.
Buster> I gotta run guys. I only had an hour today. I am going to post some questions on the forum and I will get some feedback there. Take it easy.
Jack> Welcome to our most senior community member, Ageless!
hlaser99> Thanks...
rumel> Bye Buster, have a good day!
Jack> Ok, Buster... Next time let us know right away when you have a limited time frame so you can move to the front of the line. Speak up, laddie! :)
artform> Hi Ageless. Good to have you here.
Ageless> Sorry I am late
artform> See you soon Buster.
hlaser99> Bye, Pal!
Jack> Thanks for being here Buster, come back soon!
Jack> No worries, Ageless!
Jack> RE: rumel's question about what to search for in The Google Site Search, what would you guys recommend?
hlaser99> Can we get a little info from Ageless?
artform> Rumel, although they are in early and unfinished stage of development, the Milestones and Glossary threads in the Forum may be helpful.
Ageless> Sure -- what do you want to know?
Jack> Sure, hlaser, maybe after we get some of rumel's questions answered?
artform> They are also in the Wiki, which you may find useful in mapping all this.
rumel> Since I helped organize the Aneros WIKI, I understand the fluid nature of it.
Jack> What phrases do you guys recommend that rumel search on using the Google Site Search Tool?
Jack> Oh, that's EXCELLENT experience, rumel, re: Aneros wiki. You're expertise for ours would be MOST appreciated as well, when you have time.
rumel> I have already taken a look at your WIKI but I couldn't find any help file information.
Jack> Favorite phrases of mine to search on include: "it happened", "at will", "Oh my God" (all spelling variations, like "Ohmigod", etc.
Valentine> you could take the phrases in the milestone and glossary threads, and plug them into the search engine
Jack> Yeah Val, EXCELLENT Suggestion!
rumel> Currently my spare time is being channeled into developing some guided erotic hypnosis recordings, Hlaser is familiar with them as he has helped and critiqued my work.
Jack> Very cool, rumel! I hope you'll keep us posted as to when they become available!
Jack> Rumel, another suggestion is to click on the Gold Nuggets link and browse those posts.
Ageless> Ya -- right on. I am interested to.
rumel> "HypnAerosession" is already available for sale.
Ageless> Where would I get it?
Valentine> aneros.com
Jack> I also want to invite EVERYbody here to USE the phrase Gold Nugget in a reply in any thread that YOU think contains very important tips and stories! Include key words and key phrases just after the Gold Nugget phrase to further improve indexing by the Google bot.
rumel> The CD is available on the Aneros website or you can download it from CDBaby.com
Jack> Spell correction: HypnAnerosession yes?
Ageless> Thanks -- will do
Jack> Thanks for those references rumel and congratulations!
rumel> No, "HypnAerosession".
Jack> rumel, are you getting helpful answers from us to help you find your way around, here?
Jack> What other questions do you have, including tips for practice?
Jack> And... how would you describe your practice at this time?
rumel> Yes, all information is useful one just needs to sift through to prioritize it.
Jack> rumel what is your priority for information that you seek? What do you MOST want to find out about at this point?
rumel> What will get me going most efficiently?
Jack> Guys - what are your suggestions?
rumel> My practice with KSMO at this time is nil.
tiphereth> I think Rumel was trying to better understand your question Jack.
Jack> Rumel do you still have the pdf: The Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™ Summary Update?
tiphereth> Or maybe not.
hlaser99> I would ask "what does it feel like" to have a KSSMO induced Orgasm!
Jack> [no worries, tiphereth!]
rumel> Yes I think so, like I said its been over a year since I received it.
Jack> What's your answer to that question, hlaser?
hlaser99> Then persue the small beginnings of this to test my technique...
Jack> Rumel, is the email you registered with here still valid?
Jack> The one at surewest?
hlaser99> To me IMHO, it is the same dry orgasm as Aneros, but it is just obtained in a more cerebral path to it!
rumel> Yes
hlaser99> Also, I don't need to voice teh Key Sound . . . I can ore ofr less lip Sinc it and think it...
tiphereth> I cant get that to work for me....
tiphereth> Need the vibration.
hlaser99> Once the re-wire is done...
rumel> Maybe we should let SDidan have the Talking Stick?
rumel> I don't want to monopolize todays's chat.
artform> Just a note: I may not be listed as being in the chatbox, but I'm still with y'all!
artform> Let's hear from SDidan.
Jack> Thanks for letting us know artform!
Jack> Well FYI I don't just end the chat right at 1pm. I go until everyone has had a chance. Record so far is a little over 5 hours! :) JUST SO YOU KNOW...
Jack> If anyone has to leave then we definitely want to give them a chance but I also want to make SURE that I get ALL of YOUR questions answered today, Rumel.
Jack> BTW, check your email Inbox.
rumel> Thanks Jack, that is nice to hear, very considerate!
Jack> SDidan, would you like to go ahead and speak, and then we can still give you more air time, rumel, esp after some of the other lads have had a chance, in case they have time constraints.
Jack> SDidan, are you here? Would you like the Talking Stick? How may we help YOU?
Jack> [You're QUITE welcome, Rumel!]
rumel> I know I will have more questions but it sometimes takes me awhile to formulate them coherently and I am a slow typist.
Jack> That's fine, rumel... I suggest that you open a text file separately and be jotting down your questions, then when you have the Talking Stick you can copy and paste them into the ChatBox! :)
Jack> SDidan, do you have any questions or comments at this time?
Jack> If not, at the moment, we can pass the Talking Stick to the next person who'd like it, and come back to SDidan, as well as giving rumel another opportunity as well.
Jack> Since no response from SDidan at this point, who else would like the Talking Stick?
tiphereth> SDidan like Artform does not appear to be present.
Valentine> dibs
Jack> Thanks tiphereth. Ok, who'd like to go next, please?
Jack> Ah OK, Val, you got it!
Valentine> I was wondering about alchemy, as I have been doing some qi gong recently
Valentine> I wanted to know if anyone did some alchemy before, and if they tried KSMO with it.
Jack> How would you define alchemy, Val?
tiphereth> Yeah.
rumel> Pardon my ignorance, but what is alchemy?
Jack> [Then after Val's finished with the Talking Stick I have a follow up comment in response to hlaser's comment about experience of KSMO being the same as with the Aneros, since that's not the case for me.]
hlaser99> Me too!
Ageless> I have the same question
tiphereth> I thought that was making potions and turning lead to gold=P
Valentine> from what I have read, it seems to be some ponr, with some discouragement of ejaculation, and drawing the energy up to make a spiritual baby and stop being part of the wheel of life
Jack> Wow I've never heard THAT definition of alchemy before! Where'd you find that one?
Valentine> it's crazy talk, but I found it interesting since I love researching different sex magick stuff
hlaser99> Wow, Indeed!
Jack> Re: the lead to gold. That's often considered to be a METAPHOR. :)
Valentine> it was in a chi kung book
tiphereth> Death to life. Worthlessness to greatness.
Jack> Would you elaborate on your understanding of spiritual baby and on freeing yourself from the wheel of life?
Jack> Thanks tiph!
artform> In the early 1990s, I read Mantak Chia's male sexual energy book (title later) and gave the female parallel to mrs. a. I practiced and was able to ejaculate inwardly, which part of the practical side of the metaphor.
Jack> Thanks artform!
Valentine> I take it as a literal 'spirit baby'
Jack> Also... ejaculation is often considered to be a kind of death due to the typical loss of energy and arousal, whereas non-ejaculatory multiple orgasm is a metaphor for eternal life.
Valentine> and the wheel of life part, I thought as the hindu wheel of life, you make a spirit baby, and become one with source, and don't do life anymore
Jack> Val what is a literal spirit baby?
Valentine> I don't want you to think im suicidal because of that last bit!!!!
Valentine> a baby that's made of spirit. I'm really just looking to see if anyone knows more. :)
Jack> Noted! By don't do life do you mean that each orgasm in effect creates new spirit with a continuing life of its own?
Jack> That resonates to me.
artform> After doing that one night and then immersing my bottom/genitalia into a pan of icewater, I experience a Microcosmic Orbit of orgasmic energies up my spine, into my head, around and around the "third eye" pineal gland, down over the tongue ("Taste of the Nectar"), down my chest, around my heart and into my abdomen. Astounding!
Valentine> yes, Jack, that is what I understand it to be
Jack> That definitely resonates for me, Val.
Valentine> after a certain amount of energy is created, it is used to make your spirit baby.
Jack> It's like creating an Orgasmic Echo that continues to ripple through the cosmos.
Jack> Have you guys seen the film the 5th Element?
artform> Great film!
Jack> [I recommend seeing the 5th Element... pretty cool, and funny].
Valentine> with the ripples, you become one with source, and live forever, you become immortal, the ultimate goal of alchemy
rumel> Yes, that movie was fun.
Ageless> Where can I get a copy?
Valentine> Atleast, from what I understand of it.
tiphereth> I think its just a way of harnessing energy or rather accepting it.
Jack> Near the end, the female character Lilu when in the temple and they get all of the other elements in place does an energy hookup where her head is thrown back, her back arches, and this VERY intense LIGHT comes roaring out of her mouth... THAT is what KSMO is like for me.
hlaser99> Bruce Willis (1997)
hlaser99> Sorry!
Jack> tiphereth, I would add to that: CHANNELING the cosmic energy... Truly allowing it to flow THROUGH you.
artform> It also can work through the top of the head, the Crown Chakra!
Jack> Ageless re: copy, most video rental places probably have it.
tiphereth> Agreed Jack.
rumel> OK, I think I understand a bit more now, it seems to be taking the notion of 'sacred sexuality' into the ultimate transmutation of the soul into Nirvana, Yes or No?
Jack> Most definitely out through the top of the head as well. As I believe that at least in some traditions,
Jack> the Crown Chakra is ABOVE our physical head.
artform> This is what my blog entry, "Beyond Words..." describes when mrs. a and I first made this journey of ecstasy...
Valentine> rumel: yes
Valentine> except minus ejaculation, and probably minus orgasm
Jack> For me, with KSMO at full intensity, there is a clear sense of moving beyond the physical self, and being One with the Cosmic Orgasm. I never got that with Aneros alone. I HAVE and DO get that with KSMO alone.
Ageless> I have found that there is a pulse to the cosmic energy. It's neat. It is experienced as some thing like a heart beat, but it is slower and very steady.
hlaser99> Aneros is usually physical and KSMO more spirtual???
tiphereth> I still cant cross into it completely. It's annoying.
artform> Great Ageless!
hlaser99> But these are different for everyone!
Jack> I know a lot of guys say they don't "need" the Key Sound, and yeah that's true, once you get the hang of it, BUT if one DOES continue to use the Key Sound at least every few cycles of orgasm, it CONTINUES to AMPLIFY the intensity of the Orgasmic Rushes. IF one is articulating it correctly its role is... NON-trivial! ;)
hlaser99> And different at different times for each of us!'
Jack> hlaser, KSMO is spiritual AND QUITE physical!
artform> Agreed Jack!
hlaser99> Jack, do you think KSMO and Aneros can be used together?
Jack> It feels like every last drop of energy is being squeezed out of you and through you. You really do feel like you become a CHANNEL, a pipeline, a vessel through which a little taste of totally intense cosmic orgasmic energy flows THROUGH you.
Jack> tiphereth, re: annoying... have you given me a chance to evaluate the accuracy of your Key Sound yet?
tiphereth> No.....
Jack> hlaser, re: using KSMO and aneros together, most definitely! Yet I find that I have actually gone further into that bodiless-yet-still-physically-felt cosmically intense orgasm when not using the Aneros.
rumel> Jack- that notion was expressed as the 'NEXUS' in the movie Star Trek Generations
tiphereth> Ahem..I still have a question or two I wanted to ask you before I post my ilustrious voice . )
Jack> tiphereth, re: no to KS review. When all else fails (or even a little sooner - what a concept! :) ), follow instructions! The instructions for learning this skill include having me Validate the accuracy of your Key Sound articulation. Ahem ahem.
artform> Our couples Beyond Words... are all without an aneros in.
Jack> Yeah ours too, artform!
Jack> tiphereth, are those questions you're ok about asking here, or privately?
Jack> [thanks rumel re: NEXUS reference]
tiphereth> Oh yeah sure.
Jack> Let's toss the Talking Stick to tiphereth!
artform> WE recently got Chia's "The Multi-orgasmic Couple" and that describes our practices almost exactly, but using the Key Sound as the amplifier.
hlaser99> I have Guests coming over, great to see you all again! (e-mail me, Rumel...)
Jack> artform, thanks for re-emphasizing the role of the Key Sound™ as an AMPLIFIER!
Jack> Thanks for being here hlaser! My question also goes to you re: Key Sound validation by me.
artform> I'd like to talk Tao with you Jack soon!
rumel> Hlaser, about something in particular?
hlaser99> Bye ALL!
tiphereth> Turn your body into a tuning fork ...
hlaser99> No, Rumel...
hlaser99> Bye!
artform> Bye Guys! Mrs. a and I are off on a trip. May be back in time for some chat tonight...
tiphereth> by Laser
artform> All the best to all!
Jack> artform, are you bailing as well?
tiphereth> By Artform. See ya tonight.
Jack> artform re: Talking Tao, sure!
Jack> Ok artform, best to the missus, and maybe c.u. tonight in Chat #2.
Jack> tiphereth, what are those questions, Brother?
tiphereth> Ok ..so the Key Sound.
Jack> Yes.
tiphereth> I can and do emulate you but do you intend that I always emulate perfectly or is there something less obvious I should follow.
Jack> The best way for me to answer that question is for you to go ahead and post a sample of your Key Sound articulation to the Free PRIVATE Key Sound Validation area.
Jack> You may think you're emulating the Key Sound accurately and that may indeed be the case, but the only way to be sure is for me to hear a sample.
tiphereth> Ok I will do it after this session ends.
Ageless> Anybody here -- or has my system frozen up?
Jack> Excellent, tiphereth... Progress in the Good!
tiphereth> I see me Jack and Valentine present
Jack> We're still here, Ageless! How about you?
Jack> The Users in the chatbox is not very accurate. What is more accurate is the list of logged in people at the bottom of the Forum home page.
Jack> vbmtor never got the ChatBox users list to stay current.
tiphereth> He is your site programmer?
Jack> [Present are: Jack, Ageless, rumel, tiphereth, and Valentine. That's who are still logged in.]
tiphereth> Oh well..so anyway since I got the stick..
Ageless> I am here still -- computer freeze up. OK now
Jack> tiphereth vbmtor WAS our site programmer and creator of the ChatBox, but his personal life required that he retire from helping us - unfortunately. I am currently without a good vBulletin contractor. Definitely LOOKING for one. vBmtor was EXCELLENT!
Jack> Yes tiphereth, YOU have the Talking Stick, please continue.
Jack> [Very glad you're still with us Ageless, and that your computer thawed out!]
tiphereth> I wanted to ask, Like when you practise and especially when you get to the height of orgasm do you still get a hard on? It seems like that's interfering with me.
Jack> What's interfering, having a hardon or not having one?
tiphereth> Like you said white knuckles at one time and I didnt get it till later after the chat but Im not so sure if thats it or not.
tiphereth> Having one.
Jack> Could you please rephrase that? There were several its there and I'm not sure which referred to what. Could you please replace each it with the actual word to which you're referring? Thanks. I want us to be very clear here in order to give you the best help.
Ageless> I got a really great hard on for the first time this week. It felt great and used the energy from it to intensify other pleasures.:D
Jack> Excellent news, Ageless!!!
Jack> Also, tiphereth, what did you mean by white knuckles?
Jack> Please describe literally.
tiphereth> Im sory that was vague. I meant that at the time of the chat i did not know what you meant by white knuckles. The other it refers to the potential problem.
Jack> Ok, please describe the problem / challenge as specifically and as literally as you can. That is the first step to resolving it. :)
tiphereth> White knuckles. Like clench your fist till it turns white. Cut off the blood flow.
tiphereth> White knuckles ..a analogy.
tiphereth> something gets too tight and makes it difficult to orgasm.
Jack> orgasm, or ejaculate?
tiphereth> Orgasm
Jack> [Warm Welcome to user: Happy! ]
Jack> What part of your body is getting too tight, tiphereth?
tiphereth> It's the muscles around the prostate or possibly the prostate itself?
Jack> How much stimulation are you using at that point?
tiphereth> Key Sound and sometimes the Massager.
tiphereth> Let me say this..
Jack> Massager? Do you mean an electric device?
tiphereth> Aneros Progasm.
Jack> k, thanks re: progasm information. You were saying: Let me say this... Please continue with that sentence. :)
tiphereth> When I started using the Key Sound again about a month ago I reay had an extremely powerful reaction to it and thats when i started experiencing that tightness down there.
Jack> [Happy, FYI we are reviewing tiphereth's Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol practice]
Jack> What was the powerful reaction like? What reaction were you actually experiencing physically?
tiphereth> I was experiencing VERY strong orgasms. Very pleasurable.
tiphereth> Stronger than usual by FAR.
Ageless> I too experience that tightness. It has to do I believe with being "sexually Aroused." It boreders on painful. Over time it is decreasing. I am learning to experience it as pleasurable?
Jack> EXCELLENT!!! tiphereth, and THANKS Ageless for confirming a similar experience!
tiphereth> I don't experience as pain. just a restriction
Jack> Ok, when this is happening tiphereth (and Ageless), what is your BREATHING pattern like? Is it rapid or slow, shallow or deep?
tiphereth> My breathing pattern is usually slow.
Jack> Good! Is it deep or shallow?
tiphereth> Quite shallow.
Ageless> I would say shallow and fast. It felt very restrictive about 9 months ago following a prostate infection but has become far less over time. Don't know if this adds anything or not. I found that breathing the energy out really helps.
Jack> Ok! THAT is where you need to focus then... It's GREAT that your breathing is SLOW. Next, while maintaining that SLOWNESS of your breathing pattern, you need to direct your attention to ALLOWING your breathing pattern to DEEPEN.
Jack> YES Ageless, BREATHING THE ENERGY OUT IS A VERY GOOD IDEA!
tiphereth> I will do that.
Jack> To avoid hyperventilation, you can purse your lips as if you are about to whistle and GENTLY exhale through those pursed lips.
Ageless> Jack -- I have thought that this restriction was like the prostate had a hardon. Possible?
Jack> This pursed lip breathing is VERY important! It actually ALTERS the mix of gases in your bloodstream!
tiphereth> Lol..that Is what it feels like man
Jack> Slow, pursed lip breathing!
Jack> ALSO, as SOON as notice tension beginning to occur, cease ALL stimulation!
tiphereth> So..lips apart but close to each other =pursed?
Jack> If you are using an Aneros or other device, I recommend that you remove it.
Jack> The thing about practicing with an Aneros is that it is providing virtually continuous stimulation!
Ageless> I tried an aneros, but did not like it.
tiphereth> Yeah. You know now that i think of it I get a little sore from it occasionaly.
Jack> Occasional use of a such a device can be fun, but it's VERY important, to TRULY DISCOVER the benefits of the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ to not rely on such devices or on ANY thing or activity that involves continuous or even frequent stimulation, such as stroking, etc.
tiphereth> The progasm that is.
Jack> Ok! That's VERY important information for BOTH of you!
Jack> I want to reiterate my invitation to BOTH of you to practice the PURE Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol at least two, BUT NO MORE THAN THREE times per week, without ANY devices.
Jack> And to make SURE that you have indeed learned to articulate the ALL-IMPORTANT AROUSAL-AMPLIFYING Key Sound™ correctly.
Jack> The ONLY way you can be SURE that you are indeed articulating the Key Sound™ correctly is to permit me to REVIEW and EVALUATE the accuracy of your articulation.
Jack> You get one FREE PRIVATE validation sequence included with purchase of the seminar(s), by posting an mp3 sample
Ageless> Fine by me. I hit a plateau the a week ago. I stopped what I was doing and dropped all expectations. Instead, I just followed the protacol. The third time gave me the best session ever.
Jack> of your Key Sound™ articulation (no stimulation), to the Free Key Sound™ Validation Area.
Jack> THERE YA GO, AGELESS!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!
tiphereth> I will be sure to post it.
Jack> So please DO take advantage of my review of the accuracy of your Key Sound™ articulation.
Jack> Yes, GREAT, tiphereth!
tiphereth> Jack could you give me some clues on how to relax?
Jack> I'll listen to the sample and post feedback to that private area as a reply to your post,
tiphereth> Alright.
Ageless> I have considered the use of your free evaluation, but I thank a one on one over the phone would be more beneficial. I would get immediate feedback and a chance to practice any change.
Jack> Ageless, yes I agree. Just email me a couple of good times for you and we'll schedule it. I'll be available today after our chat, for example.
Jack> It doesn't take very long, usually. About 20 minutes, typically.
Ageless> What about tomorrow sime time?
Jack> and then will review a subsequent post you make, to see if you have it or not. If additional coaching is necessary, I will let you know and we can schedule a coaching session.
rumel> Tiphereth - Have you considered my "HypnAerosession" for the relaxation aspect?
Ageless> Or about 6:00 tonight your time.
Jack> Ageless, yes tomorrow will be fine. I'm available after noon Pacific Daylight Time, just email me your phone number and best time range for you and I'll confirm a specific time.
Jack> 6pm tonight would be fine shall we schedule for then, Ageless?
tiphereth> I have thought about it Rumel. Perhaps I will try it soon.
Ageless> Yes. I will Email you my phone number. That's 8:00 PM here if I am correct.
Jack> Tiphereth, yes, just go ahead and post your sample, I will review it and post tips in reply. Then you post a sample of corrected articulation and if you have it I'll let you know. If not, we can schedule a brief phone consultation.
Jack> Ageless, where is "here" for you?
Ageless> Minnesota
Jack> Is that CDT?
Jack> What time is it where you are right now?
Ageless> Yes -- CDT
tiphereth> Ok..im gone to make the sample Jack. Talk at you guys again tonight.
Ageless> 3:15 PM
Jack> Ok! Yes 8pm YOUR time tonight.
Jack> Ok tiphereth, post that sample, and good on ya! Just a few more comments, quickly:
Ageless> Talk to you then.
Ageless> There were a number of god nuggets in todays chat. The best yet as far as I am concerned.
Jack> The rule of thumb with this practice is that a CORNERSTONE of practice is VERY little stimulation. That's why I specify in the Protocol just a SINGLE touch or caress for each cycle.
Ageless> Probably will be on tonights chat too.
Jack> As soon as you start noticing ANY tension whatsoever, PAUSE the stimulation and CONTINUE the DEEP (but not artificially deep or forced, since that too would introduce tension!) relaxing breathing.
rumel> Jack- What constitutes a cycle? (total newbie query)
Jack> And just continue the relaxing breathing alone, until you notice the tension relaxing. Tension equals energy blockage.
Jack> If tension persists, then ALSO pause use of the Key Sound™, since it is an arousal amplifier, and we don't want to be amplifying arousal if there is already tension in the system.
Jack> GOOD QUESTION rumel! A cycle is as described in the pdf I just emailed you:
Ageless> Question -- is pulsations in the anal or genital area tension?
Jack> A SINGLE touch or caress of a pleasurable area of your body... It does NOT need to be genital, just ANY pleasurable area, then immediately but without rushing, a GENTLE UNFORCED Key Sound™ CORRECTLY ARTICULATED as validated by my review, followed by at least two, or perhaps three or four unforced, gentle relaxing breaths. That is one cycle. You then repeat that for about 20 minutes.
Jack> GOOD QUESTION Ageless! If they are pulsations that's fine, as long as you are not tensing up. If you start to tense up,
Jack> then pause the caresses and even the Key Sound™ and do relaxing breathing only, until the TENSION relaxes. It's ok if the pulsations continue, just not that HOLDING kind of tension.
Jack> Hey HAPPY, do YOU have any questions or comments? :-)
Jack> Welcome back, Buster!
Buster> Holy Crap! Are you guys still chatting?
Jack> tiphereth and Ageless, since you guys have kinda been sharing the Talking Stick, what other questions or comments do you have re: what we've been discussing?
Jack> Yep, Buster, we're still at it! Like I said, I don't just end the chat at a fixed time, if people still have questions or comments!
Jack> I'm here to help you!!!
Buster> Let me know when you are ready and I will throw mine out.
Ageless> I don't know if I am holding or not. If I am it is very low level. I ahve, for example been waking up with a hard on and aware of the head touching the sheet. A whole series of minor contraction will follow. When these quit, I will become aare again of contact with the sheet and it will start all over again. It almost feels like a very mild ejacualtion contraction.
Jack> That sounds GREAT, Ageless! You are definitely awakening the multiorgasmic response!
Jack> The strongest new sensations MOST OFTEN occur BETWEEN active practice sessions!
Jack> How about it, tiphereth? What additional questions or comments do you have at this time?
Ageless> And it feels good:):D.
Jack> Well, Ageless, I'm might glad to hear THAT! :D :D
Ageless> I am going to sign off now. Have to go. Talk tonight.
Jack> Ok, Ageless we'll talk by phone at 8pm YOUR time. Have you sent me your phone number?
Ageless> No, but will do it now.
Jack> Ok, Ageless, good! tiphereth, is there anything else for you, at this point or may we pass the Talking Stick to Buster?
Jack> Well Buster, I don't know where tiphereth went but I'd say you now have the Talking Stick!
Buster> Thanks. I know you guys are probably tired but I have 2 quick ones........
Buster> 1. I seem to have no problem with pulling up all sorts or tremendous orgasmic feelings. Sometimes with in the first couple Key Sounds(tm)....
Buster> My thing is, I can ride these waves that go from head to toe and back, but that is as far as it goes until the next one.....
Buster> I am having a hard time getting them without a break in between. Any recommendations on that?
Buster> over
tiphereth> Oh sory I was installing the recording software. No more questions from me for now.
Jack> Had a hunch about that, tiph... no worries!
Jack> Ok, Buster...
Jack> First, that's GREAT that you're getting very strong orgasmic feelings,
Jack> and especially since it's often within the first few Key Sounds™!
Jack> Not sure what you mean by a break in between. Do you mean
Jack> that you just get a single wave of from head to toe and back then all quiet, that you have never experienced getting into the Zone where your body stays orgasmically charged?
Buster> I think that is a correct assessment. It is like the wave will happen, then will die down. Sometimes it will take a couple of Key Sounds to get another one flowing and it will last about as long. I want them to build into something stronger and I just can't seem to have that happen......Over.
Jack> Have a I reviewed your Key Sound™ articulation? I don't recall.
Buster> Yessir, by phone. It has been a while but if I dont mind saying so, you said it was perfect. You might have even said that it was the best one you have ever heard.....over
Jack> Ok, well I guess we can check THAT off the list, eh? :D
Jack> Are you using a single pleasurable touch or caress just before you articulate the Key Sound?
Buster> So, what do you suggest? over
Buster> I do try and use the 'ole penis trigger or some nipple action....over
Jack> Are you experiencing any spontaneous sensations AFTER a session or on the days between?
Buster> Echos. Yes I do but I have heard you say that sometimes you will get the best feelings during those echos, I just don't get that. Mine are more subtle....but nice! over.
Jack> Do you ejaculate on the day of practice, even if later after practice?
Buster> Nope. I am trying to conserve those until they are needed! over
Jack> hmmmmm...
Jack> Do you use the Key Sound immediately after the caress? That is,
Jack> typically when we do a pleasurable touch, it's usually pretty automatic that we do an automatic inhale... Do you use the Key Sound as you exhale THAT inhalation?
Buster> I usually am caressing in between the Key Sounds. I stop during the KS......
Buster> There are usually a couple of inhale/exhales in between my Key Sounds. over.
Jack> By caressing, do you mean that the caressing is more or less continuous except when you are articulating the Key Sound?
Buster> Correct. over.
Jack> Ok, how did you decide to do continuous caressing rather than the single caress recommended?
Buster> Come on! I am caressing just one thing. Isn't that a single caress? over.
Jack> A single caress is just a single pass.
Jack> not a single site.
Buster> When should I use it again? Right before or right after the Key Sound(tm)? over

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