Session start: Sat Aug 2 22:25:22 2008
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 2008081
tandello> Hello? People seem to be signed in, but no one seems to be talking.
Jack> Hi tandello, sorry we missed you! If they're not chatting, they may be making a post in the forum proper or to their blog, or replying to either of the above, or just searching and reading other posts, such as the Gold Nuggets posts or past chat transcripts. If you see their name listed at the bottom of the home page as being logged in, you can click on it to find out where they are. See you next time I hope! You can also drop me an email if you'd like to chat and if I can make it I will!
tandello> ctRandom thought, Jack. One or two months ago I contacted the owner of a local erotic boutique and introduced your work to her. Not knowing whether you provide your programs on a wholesale basis, I introduced your work, my experience, and your website to her. In thinking about the value of this service, it seems that a book with an enclosed CD would sell well. The chatbox overwhelm could be minimized with a required subscription fee to use it. Just thinking.
Jack> Thanks very much for your thoughts and suggestions Tandello! Keep'em comin'!
Jack> VERY Warm Welcome to our Newest Newbie, Tiphereth - I love that name! Please start your Blog to journal your Adventure and post your questions. And please DO come to the chats tomorrow, and next week post a sample of your Key Sound articulation to the FREE Key Sound™ Validation area!
Helios> hey
tiphereth> Heya guys.
tiphereth> What's up Helios?
tiphereth> Oh..and thanks for the welcome Jack!
Laly> hi tiphereth
Laly> welcome to our wonderful family :)
tiphereth> Thanks Laly ...I'll try to be good.
artform> Hey tiphereth! Welcome to see you joining the community and conversations here too.
artform> make that "Welcome and good to see you..."
artform> Hope you can join the chats here today.
Ageless> Hi everyone
artform> Hi Ageless. Hi Jack.
Ageless> Jack -- while I have your attention, how are progressing in your efforts to get me able to sign on to OrgasmWiki?
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Training and Discussion Chat of 20080809 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
Jack> Hi Guys! How are you today?
Ageless> Great -- ageless
artform> Great too!
Ageless> And youy Jack?
Jack> Doing very well. We recently heard that we've been granted Permanent Resident Status in Canada!!!
artform> Congratulations! Welcome home!
Jack> What's new? How's practice going?
Jack> Yeah THANKS artform!
Ageless> Fantastic!
Jack> Two years' of pins and needles!
artform> You both must also feel so relieved!
Jack> WAY! ;)
Jack> :D
Ageless> My practice appears to have hit a sort of platau. Progress slow but steady.
artform> How does this effect your time allocation? Will you be selling in Oregon?
Jack> Re: Plateau, that's fairly typical, Ageless. It's not at all a beeline - it's not like GOING FOR IT! :-)
Ageless> The pleasure is slowly intensifying
Jack> The plateaus give your bioenergetic system a chance to INTEGRATE the gains and changes.
Jack> That sounds GREAT Ageless! Perfect!!!
artform> I've had those plateau times too and my body actually appreciates the R&R!
Jack> What recent changes have you been noticing, Ageless?
Jack> Yeah, EXACTLY, artform!
Ageless> I am becoming increasingly aware of the fact that I my genitals wants to "tighten up"
Jack> Savor the view from each plateau!
Ageless> I am working on keeping everything relaxed
artform> Good to hear of your continuing progress Ageless!
Jack> Perfect strategy, Ageless... The more you relax, the more easily the energy will be able to flow.
Ageless> Old beliefs -- orgasms are a no no. New belief -- they are great and feel really good
artform> The more savouring; the more progress! I found that that is part of integrating the recent body-learning while relaxing.
Jack> What do you mean that orgasms are a no no?
Jack> RE: Savoring, artform... Yeah the savoring re-energizes motivation.
Ageless> This is an old "teaching" from my mother -- when I first started to have wet dreams.
Jack> Ageless, RE: orgasms a no no - are you conflating the term orgasm with ejaculation?
artform> It also helps greatly getting past distractions and depression.
Jack> WAY!
Ageless> Yes I am. Working on that and it is the way to go.
Jack> Ageless, re: what your mom said... shows you how damaging lack of proper sex education of HER was for YOU! The ignorance and its results gets passed on, generation to generation, with a big dose of fear and guilt.
Jack> Ageless, your Yes I am is in reference to which statement or concept?
Ageless> I am just enjoying it to the fullest -- and telling myself its OK. My whole family was anti sexual.
Jack> Well I imagine they were anti-sexual because they were likewise victims of brainwashing.
Jack> Fear of Sex and Sexual Energy are very powerful means of social control.
Ageless> Yes I am is in referance to confusing orgasm and ejaculation. For all to long, they were the same thing. I now know different:):)
Jack> Reich's book: Listen Little Man is a powerful exposition on that topic.
Ageless> Wow -- I will get it.
Jack> Ageless, re: orgasm and ejaculation... yeah I figured that's what was happening - that traditional conflation. That's why I like to gently remind people to become aware of the difference and to change their language accordingly. The shift in language helps facilitate the further openings and awakenings, and changes in experience.
artform> Ageless, my experience is that your generation suffered from this very very widely. My generation did to a significant degree but less absolutely. My parents gave us strong general moral guidance and religious/church experience, but mercifully said nothing about sex specific practices.
Jack> Orgasm is comprised of the rushes of pleasurable energy, ejaculation is the emission of fluid: Two DISTINCT reflexes. For the Record. :D
Jack> Yes, artform, ironically by comparison to the experience of Ageless, your parents' silence was a mercy.
Jack> Thankfully, informed discussion such as we have here is the LIBERATION!
artform> But then we all had to contend with the peer socialization, mainly at school, what I refer to as "The Rolling Poison of the Playground"!
Ageless> I have already learned a lot.
Jack> Artform, would you please say more about what that was like for you?
artform> re: Informed discussion here; absolutely!
Jack> And Ageless, I'd LOVE to hear what you are aware of having learned thus far!
artform> The schoolyard?
Ageless> Go ahead artform
artform> My family were successful pioneer industrialists in our town and I was "the boss's son"...
artform> and although we were not Scrooges, the fact that I was dressed a little differently as a young student differentiated me...
artform> ...and I was shy and often a high marks "brainiac" too...
artform> and so was picked on by the bullies, who decided to use the schoolboy attack on the other's sexuality as their priime tactic...
Jack> [not surprising re: brainiac! :) ]
artform> and so I was a "fag" and a "sissy" etc.
artform> As I have said in some earlier conversations here...
artform> I was sick often in my youth, was tall and very thin and not particularly strong...
Jack> Isn't it AMAZING at how EARLY kids learn to use sexuality and guilt about it as a form of social control! It truly IS at the core of fascist behavior. Reich was sure correct about that! Freud actually touched on that as well in his early writings. Unfortunately in later life, to a degree he became what he feared!
artform> ...was away ill more than others and often with severe sinus and other problems even while at school....
Ageless> THAT had to be rough to deal with. Sorry it happened to you artform
Jack> Sexuality and FEAR of DIFFERENCE. Oh, you're TALLER than we are, or THINNER, or... whatEVERRRR.
Jack> Yeah, I second that, Ageless... I'm very sorry to hear that too, artform.
artform> all in all a tempting target. I think that, seeing what was going on still when our sons were at public school...
Ageless> So you couldn't just be you. Artform, you are great just the awy you are.
Jack> It's unfortunate that THEY missed out on better getting to know someone who is a very heartful, special person!
artform> it truly is one of the most vicious and still tolerated forms of social control going: The Rolling Poison of the Playground.
artform> I have no regrets having had to go through it, because I learned a great deal, and as we said in a recent chat with Laly, Jack, it is part of what made us who we are today.
Ageless> I too was picked on being the youngest and smallest. Being an all boys school didn't help either.
Jack> Yes and that is THE healthiest perspective and path to recovery from that abuse in my opinion!
artform> In high school I quickly fell in with other art and music oriented types, some of who found themselves to be gay or lesbian and are all friends still today. We have many other gay and lesbian friends in our community and beyond.
Jack> Ageless and artform: It truly IS a profound tragedy that kids get so corrupted so young... It sets the stage for all of the misery to follow. That's why I chose to become a sexuality educator and to address the specific issue of orgasm and CLAIMING OUR RIGHT TO IT - without guilt or repression.
Ageless> Right on artform -- I too learned a lot from my experiences. I wouldn't be on the road I am on if things had been different. And I like the road. Sort of a yellow brick road.
Jack> Artform that's very cool that you stayed connected with these wonderful people! It sounds like your life is greatly enriched as a result!
artform> Interesting Ageless on the "all boys school"; I attended an all boys summer camp and it was a mix of some more bad and some good.
Ageless> I wish I had those kinds of friends -- I don't.
artform> I was there through the onset and adjustment of puberty and although I and others were on occasion "tested" on our gender identity, its was also a more open atmosphere where wide-ranging, if wildly uninformed sex talk went on.
Jack> RE: Not having those kinds of friends, Ageless, I wonder if artform might offer you some suggestions for remedying that situation now - since all we have is the NOW. :)
Ageless> Artform, now you have me thinking. I grew up on a farm isolated from my classmates. It was was during WWII and little contact outside of school where sports was the think -- and good grades! We had little if any sex talk at school. I missed it.
artform> More learning and less fear, but again it may be a question of age/generation.
artform> I agree that is important Ageless.
Ageless> It definitely was an age/generation thing.
artform> I had a later time briefly at a leadership camp where we were all from other communities in Canada and the USA...
artform> ...and by then (age 17-18) we all could talk jovially or joshingly about most things without getting too personal.
artform> (most things sexual)
Ageless> How was one's sexuality dealt with at those camps?
artform> Ageless, did you ever have a male friend with whom you could be completely open with in discussing sex and your own feelings and experiences?
Ageless> Camp is another experience I never had. It would have been great.
Ageless> A male friend? NO. A therapist, which isn't the same, yes
artform> At the puberty aged camp, there was group nudity and light joking. Campers were from all over the North-East, Canada and the US.
artform> We were therefore semi-anonimous.
artform> In the tent at night, as we were supposed to be going off to sleep, sometimes conversation on sex and feeling would get going...
Ageless> Talking to anyone, particularly a male friend, would be difficult. I don't know and am somewhat afraid, of how they would react. Farm kids sometimes do unusual things --
artform> ... flashlights would come out, sleeping bags flipped back and these newly erections spotlit and discussed.
Jack> Fortunately it seems that Canadian culture has traditionally been somewhat more open and relaxed about sexuality. Sexuality repression in the US was already heavily used as a means of social- and political control... along with the related phobias such as homophobia and xenophobia.
Jack> Wow artform, that sounds pretty progressive, and ENLIGHTENING!
artform> I agree Jack. I guess I am "out" now as a Canadian! not having declared locale before. Double welcome to permanent residency!!
Jack> The only similar reference in American culture I can recall was one in the film Auntie Mame where Auntie (brilliantly played by Rosalind Russell) had sent her nephew off to a naturist alternative school for his education.
Jack> LOL thanks artform, fellow countryman! :D :D
Ageless> How great that would have been! I remember being terrified that I might get an erection when showering after athletics
Jack> Ageless, yes it would have been great. The GOOD news is that as an adult it is entirely within your power to create such situations for yourself NOW.
artform> One of the fellow campers in my tent in the third and last year I was there for example told us of how he had sensations inside his penis and had experimented getting there and his parents had to take him to hospital to have the pencil lead he had inserted into his eurethra removed!
Jack> That is, to find emotionally and sexually healthy people with whom you can have open discussions about sexuality.
Jack> OMG re: the pencil lead!!!
Jack> Shows you just how utterly dangerous the LACK of proper sexuality education can be!!!
artform> One guy who was fairly compulsive masturbating, took a bit of a ribbing for "milking himself" without knowing what sex was for yet...
artform> It was in that tent that year that I discovered my prostate and the joys of prostate massage, for which I have been forever grateful...
Ageless> I'm only about 250 miles south of the canadian border, but I suppose that like in so many things close doesn't count.
Jack> Well fortunately these days one CAN find venues IN the U.S. where sexuality can be discussed in healthy positive ways.
Jack> Ageless, you can ask your counselor about that, and you can also contact www.aasect.org and ask THEM for suggestions on how to find resources like that. Not necessarily group therapy, but just discussion groups where there is good reliable information and an open atmosphere - that is, in addition to HERE, ahem ahem. :)
artform> ...because on the guys in the previous year and tent had insisted (he was the loudest) that you got your woman pregnant by having anal intercourse...
artform> ...and I thought that doesn't make sense since both sexes have anuses and they are food/elimination ports aren't they...
Jack> Artform, of course in cultures that are more rural, regardless of the social repression, at least some of this information is acquired by observation of farm animals.
Jack> Smart boy, artform! :)
Jack> (re: elimination port)
artform> ...so I explored up my own anus with my finger and instead of just disproving his thesis, found a treasure of my own male being!!!
Jack> Yes isn't it intriguing why if it's ONLY for elimination, why has evolution given us all of that erotic innervation in the anus?
artform> Agree re: Rural. I grew up with pretty regular farm visits. We lived on the edge of town.
artform> Science is now amply demonstrating that regular ejaculation and prostate massage are keys to male health! That port is far more cosmopolitan than sex-ignorance or sex-control would have us believe!
Jack> Dr. Jack Morin has written a superb book called Anal Pleasure and Health and I happen to have a few copies available for sale. Very reasonably priced... Just contact me by email if interested. It is superbly accurate.
Ageless> Now that is an interesting thought! Erotic innervation in the anus?
Jack> As artform just described, Ageless!
Jack> Just send me an email about Morin's book and I'll give you the details. I think you'd find it very informative and liberating.
Ageless> I'll buy one of those books. I will contact you by e-mail.
Jack> Ok!
Ageless> My immediate gut reaction? To stimulate one's anus is disgusting
Ageless> Oh well -- something more to learn.:)
artform> Mrs. a and I added Jack Morin's book to our library first thing when we decided to pursue the mutual prostate path a year and half ago. I second you review Jack!
Jack> Ageless, re: more to learn... Yes, isn't that EXCITING!
Ageless> Ah yes -- so it is.:D
Jack> Here's the BUY LINK for Jack Morin's Anal Pleasure and Health
Jack> Ageless, just click that link and you're all set!
artform> Ageless, I have had for years Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia, the swelling of the prostate restricting urine flow and threatening the need for surgery...
Jack> Thanks for the second on that, artform. Yes I think Jack M's book is about the very best on the subject.
artform> ...and I don't want this treasure damaged!!!
artform> prostate=treasure
Ageless> I will have to figure our how to explore this subject by myself.
artform> I started using the Aneros medically-designed hands-free prostate massager to treat it rather than surgery or drugs and discussed it with mrs. a, who agreed it was a good idea...
Ageless> I am fortunate in that my prostate is still almost normal size. No meds needed. It was slightly enlarged and took some off beat herbs for it.
artform> ...and it also happens that the Aneros is like a set of training wheel to help the body rewire is the separation of orgasmic response from the ejaculation trigger system!!!
artform> That is where I began and soon was reading other Aneros users post about something called KSMO...
artform> ...investigated this Jack Johnston fellow and his system and quickly bought the Library and am oh so very glad that I did!!!
artform> So is mrs.a!!!
Ageless> I have a couple of Aneros devices but do not find them pleasurable. Is this something else I have to "rewire."
Ageless> Let me backtrack as I must sign off soon. Jack, you asked what I have learned so far. I now know that ejaculation is not the same as an orgasm -- for me anyway. When I ejaculate, I feel no body pleasure.
Ageless> There is pleasure in the head of my penis, but that is all.
Jack> Ageless there are a number of people in our community who are happy users, e.g. Mog, and artform of course... Plus the aneros website has its own discussion and support forum as well.
Jack> When you say you feel no body pleasure when you ejaculate, is that SINCE you began the Multiple Orgasm Trigger practice, or was that also the case prior?
Ageless> It has always been this way. I believe MOT practice will change that.
Jack> Yes and the practice IS changing things for you already because of the information here and our supportive and informative community, ahem ahem... Yes? :D
Ageless> YES
Ageless> I am looking for the body pleasure now. THat is new.
Jack> WONDERFUL, Ageless!!!
artform> I'm back. It was not for lack of interest. My posts were not being accepted.
Ageless> Have to sign off now. Party at my son's house I am already late for.
artform> Indeed wonderful Ageless, you intrepid explorer!
Jack> Well thanks VERY much for being here and sharing so much of yourself today, Ageless. GREAT WORK!!!
Jack> Intrepid INDEED!
artform> Enjoy. Talk again soon!
Ageless> Thanks for sharing artform, and Jack.
Jack> You're QUITE Welcome, Ageless!
artform> Thank you Ageless!
artform> And thanks very much again for everything Jack!
Jack> Hey artform, have you ever heard of The C-Realm Podcasts by KMO? I think you would find them intriguing as would many others in our community. To date there are 114 of them on a very wide range of subjects. He DOES need to interview me or even US about our KSMO experiences, however! ;)
Jack> You are likewise VERY welcome, artform!
artform> Hi vbmtor. I was getting repeated "A post is already in progress" messages each time I tried to post during that last exchange and four or five posts I sent just disappeared into the ether----
artform> Thanks for thinking of C-Realm again. You linked me there in our last chat a couple of weeks ago and though bookmarked I have yet to return to explore further. Thanks again.
artform> Are we ending the chat now? Or...
Jack> You're quite welcome! Maybe YOU can ask him to have a discussion with some of us for one of his programs.
Jack> Meanwhile, I've cc'd vbmtor re: the problems you were just having.
Jack> Might the probs have been due to the LENGTH of the posts? That is, too much text before pressing the Enter key?
artform> You may need to work with vbmtor and if so we can chat more later.
Jack> We don't need to end the chat, artform. I'm here to continue the discussion if you'd like!
Jack> No I just stay out of vbmtor's way. He's the vBulletin (forum software wizard).
Jack> Unfortunately his other businesses are pulling him away from being able to continue to support us. This is pretty much his last day with us.
Jack> He's the guy that built the chat box, configured the private validation area, applied the custom templates, installed the chat countdown clock (which he's still working on) etc. He's been a TREMENDOUS help and will be sorely missed!
Jack> I'm still looking for a new, trustworthy vBulletin expert to replace him.
artform> Just wanted to report that mrs. a and I have had several more amazing energy travel session like "Beyond Words", my last blog report.
artform> And that we are also back at our mutual prostate sessions with great multiple dry orgasms of the Super-O scale, as well as the "calm seas bliss", and that the role of the Key Sound continues to develop in our sessions.
Jack> artform that sounds fantastic! Would you please post the link to that blog report here in the transcript?
Jack> Click the LINK button that's between the U underline button and the T button just below the ChatBox OK button to enter the link here.
artform> I am curious how that has worked for others whose journeys include anything like our experiences. This applies particularly to being able to focus and direct the energies and I think you answered Lopez in a chat not too long ago...
Jack> Hey I'm really very glad to hear that!
artform> ... re: the flash of light and energy jolt to mrs. a through my penis. You mentioned that both you and Pan have reported that kind of experience; yes?
Jack> Yes indeed!
Jack> It's like a cosmically intense pure ENERGY Ejaculation!
tandello> Does the Jedi council know that the light sabres are being used for personal pleasure?
Jack> No emission of fluid just an extremely intense rush of pleasurable energy accompanied by a surge in blood flow to the penis.
Jack> Hi Tandello and Welcome! If the Jedi Council hasn't heard about it yet, somebody should certainly notify them right away! ;)
tandello> I agree.
artform> My 'Beyond Words..." bolg entry: http://www.multiples.com/howtolastlo...ond-words.html
Jack> Thanks for the link, artform!
Jack> LOL, tandello!
artform> Hi tandello! ...was away doing this link.
tandello> My experiences continue to improve. One thing that surprises me the most is that there seems to be no loss of benefit by laying off the practice for several weeks or months.Whatever benefit I have received when I stop the practice is where I begin when resuming.
tandello> Hello to both of you.
artform> And a remarkable jolt of the energy received by mrs. a too Jack!
Jack> Hey that's a VERY IMPORTANT POINT and you're experience absolutely correlates with mine. It's like learning to ride a bicycle... once you have learned the skill, it stays with you.
Jack> That also supports my thesis that it IS a lifelong SKILL.
Jack> And that our capacity to experience these multiple orgasms is innate: Once the response is awakened it tends to stay awake and accessible AT WILL.
Jack> artform, that's really wonderful to hear re:
Jack> mrs. a as well!!!
artform> That has been pretty well true for me with KSMO, as compared to Aneros which can be up and down and back up further. Once awake and self-familiar or body-memorized "at will" indeed!!!
artform> Thanks Jack re: mrs. a. We have had some remarkable advances with energy sharing; truly remarkable. That is what I would like to ask you about further.
Jack> Fantastic artform!
Jack> Sure, go ahead please.
Jack> I'd also like to hear more from Tandello!
tandello> Sorry gents, I was distracted for several minutes and not attending to the forum.
tandello> So far the primary benefit that I've experienced has been increasing pleasure with the practice and self-pleasuring.
Jack> No worries Mr. T, perhaps artform can go ahead and ask his question.
tandello> Clearly, for the first time in my recollection there is pleasant sensation associated with touching the glans and general increased pleasure with the shaft.
tandello> Orgasms are still ejaculatory however, it continues for a minute or so.
artform> While in the Scissors position, we had a looping flow from of strong energies from her finger through my prostate and through my penis to her vagina/G-spot et al and through her anus back through my finger and down my body ththrough my prostate/perineum and penis...
Jack> Wow that sounds VERY sweet, artform. THAT's CONNECTING!
artform> ... and I was able to use the Key Sound to reinforce the intention to redirect that energy path from her-anus/my-finger up my arm up through my back/neck/head and then back down to the lower chakras, AND IT WORKED...
Jack> Tandello, your comment about all orgasms still being ejaculatory makes me wonder about how you're using the Protocol, if during your 20 minute practice sessions you are limiting the stimulative touch or caress to a single one just preceding each Key Sound™
Jack> Artform re: It WORKED! YES INDEED! the charged up Key Sound™ becomes like a highly charged laser pulse that can be directed to various chakras, and to areas that may want attention, healing, etc. It is, after all, the pure Life Force!
artform> and delivered a stunning Crown Centred Orgasm for me and another energy full body surge for mrs. a!!!.... ahhh..... even the memory.....
Jack> Artform, I also use that charged up Key Sound™ to boost directed positive intention into social change and planetary healing.
Jack> artform: LOL yeah I hear you about the memory. Puts NEW MEANING to the phrase The Memory Lingers On, doesn't it? :)
artform> The Pure Life Force is most certainly what it feels like...
Jack> If I may, when possible, I'd like to hear from Tandello re: my question about his practice.
Jack> I think there's a possibility that you, artform, and I might be able to offer him some practice tips.
artform> Please go ahead tandello!
Jack> Tandello are you there?
Jack> Maybe he went afk again.
Jack> Oh well, I guess he'll let us know when he's back. I AM curious though
Jack> about what his practice is like. Sounds like he may be using stimulation to build arousal rather than letting the Key Sound™ do its magic.
Jack> I'd like to check that out.
artform> I think you may be right.
Jack> artform, I'm glad that for you that feeling of Channeling the Pure Life Force through the Key Sound™ has resonance for you and mrs. a!
artform> It is a fabulous addition to our lives and life together and I cannot thank you enough for your giving this gift to us all here!!!
artform> I am also so glad to see you say that you also use "charged up Key Sound™ to boost directed positive intention into social change and planetary healing".
Jack> And thank YOU on BOTH counts! :)
tandello> Single caress, yes sir.
artform> I would like to hear the methodology since I agree with this intention and this may well be the source of our misunderstanding on the Aneros Forum's KSMO-themed chat.
Jack> Yet this still leads to ejaculation?
Jack> (was to tandello)
tandello> Sorry about the delays in answering. There has been a more going on here than I was anticipating.
artform> But please go ahead first tandello.
tandello> Yes.
Jack> artform... was unclear to me what misunderstanding... so I DO hope we can pick up that thread after giving tandello some time with the Talking Stick.
tandello> Hold on. There have never been any sensations during the practice that leads to any kind of erotic arousal. Ejaculation only occurs with self pleasuring.
Jack> Oh that clarifies, thanks.
tandello> There is never an erection when performing KSMO. Although, I have no difficulty having an erection when aroused.
Jack> So let's see then, you're saying that you do the 20 minute Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™ as recommended but experience no erotic response whatsoever?
Jack> No erotic feelings at all?
tandello> One curious observation. At one point I decided to look at some porn while doing the KSMO. THis was once or twice. Prior to this visual porn never was particularly stimulating. Since those two times when I look at porn an erection does begin somewhat.
tandello> Correct no erotic feelings at all.
tandello> There are a lot of body sensations. Some pleasant, some not, but never erotic sensations.
Jack> When you do the single touch recommended in the KSMO Protocol, do you use a genital touch or some other area of your body?
tandello> This has been true life long. Unless my mind has been engaged in wanting an erotic experience, touching my genitals when alone, or having a lover touch my genitals has never produced erotic pleasure.
tandello> When doing the KSMO, I use of mix of locations-genital, nipples, ears, abdomen, meridian points, etc.
Jack> Are you saying that when you touch your genital area, it's the same as touching your arm?
tandello> For the longest time that has been the case. It has only been with the use of KSMO protocol that that the sensation has begun to differentiate. There is more a sense of pleasurable vulnerability with touching my genitals now. But not primarily erotic.
Jack> Thank you. So I may understand better. Could you please share what you mean by primarily erotic?
artform> Jack, tandello earlier said: "So far the primary benefit that I've experienced has been increasing pleasure with the practice and self-pleasuring."
Jack> Yes thanks artform, and what is your point in quoting that please? I'm just wanting my understanding to be as clear as possible in assisting tandello.
artform> Sorry to interject that but I had seen none of the evolving discussion yet appear in my chatbox.
artform> I was going to comment on that assuming tandello was still away and not responding as it appeared was the case here. Sorry guys.
Jack> Sometimes the chat text doesn't post til you've made one of your own. Don't know why.
Jack> ChatBox is vbmtor's creation and is still a work in progress. It can also have to do with different browser idiosyncracies.
artform> That was it then. Thanks Jack. Thought it was happening again. Is tandello still with us or could he be experiencing some of that too?
Jack> Tandello, when you do practice the Protocol, what are the sensations like? Where in your body do you feel them?
Jack> I don't know.
Jack> We're about 20 minutes past the typical ending point of today's chat,
artform> He is no longer listed as User in the chatbox on my screen.
Jack> and I have another appointment so I'm going to need to bookmark
Jack> this discussion and continue it with Tandello at the next opportunity, which I hope is soon!
artform> How about adios for now, and thanks again. Let's talk again soon.
artform> Bye for now.
Jack> Tandello, I DO want to continue this discussion because I want to help you access the next level of enjoyment in your practice.
Jack> The next chat, according to our countdown clock which happily vbmtor has repaired, is in about 5 hours and 39 minutes from my post of this line.
Jack> I'll be back then and hope Tandello that you might make it. If not, I hope you'll come to the next chat after that which will be in two weeks from today at 1700GMT. Meanwhile I'll keep an eye out for any posts you might make to your blog or to the Forum.
Jack> Thanks very much to both of you for being here today, and artform, please extend my best wishes to mrs. a as well.
Jack> Wishing to you all, the very best that life has to offer! -- Jack
artform> Take care you two newly created Canucks!
Jack> THANKS ARTFORM!!! Cheers, eh!
Jack> ***** END of Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Training and Discussion Chat hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
artform> Great eh!
artform> Hi tandello!
artform> Will you be able to join the next chat tonight?
artform> Hope to chat with you again soon. All the best tandello.
tandello> Tonight?
tandello> or tomorrow, Sunday?
tandello> I will check in during both time frames.
Session stop: Sat Aug 9 20:36:08 2008