Session start: Sat Jul 19 22:55:38 2008
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20080718
Ageless> Hi Jack -- you there?
Ageless> Guess you have retired. Check out my latest blog! Any suggestions or comments?
artform> Hi Ageless! Sorry I couldn't reply to your question in the posts following the chat transcript of the 12th. Have just read your blog # 4 progress!!! Congratulations! It sounds like you are following your body's intuition and it is taking you far very fast.
artform> Oh! Your name just disappeared...
artform> ...hope to catch you again soon. All the best.
zeitgeist> Hi All! Hope the day is good for all of you...
zeitgeist> ...especially for guests looking at the forum today...
zeitgeist> I've managed to find time to write a monster post in my thread
zeitgeist> and not before time!:)
Laly> hi Z!
zeitgeist> Hi Laly!
Lopez> You've missed her Z, btw nice post ;)
zeitgeist> cheers lopez! THANKS:)
Lopez> Keep up the great work, threads like yours are an inspiration
zeitgeist> I'm pleased to hear that!...
zeitgeist> circumstances means I can't be as regular as I used to be on the forum...
zeitgeist> hopelfully this will pass...
Lopez> That time will come
zeitgeist> Sure! luckily KSMO practice can be discreet, one doen't need to be online!:p
Lopez> Thankfully. I find it hard to imagine how one could type and have a KSMO simultaneously ;)
zeitgeist> {snigger}
zeitgeist> One's perceptions do wander a little...
zeitgeist> The real world beckons.. talk to you all soon! Z
artform> Hi Ageless and jaques!
artform> Enjoyed you blog#4 Ageless. Again Ageless, your name just left the chatbox. We'll connect here yet...
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Training and Discussion Chat of 20080726 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
artform> Hi Jack!
Jack> Hey artform, how are you?
artform> Getting over a flu bug, otherwise fine... And you?
artform> The site here has been a bit buggy too...
Jack> Sorry to hear about the flu. I hope you begin feeling better a little sooner than you might expect! Oh? Any time there's a problem, please let me know right away so vbmtor can get it fixed.
artform> ..can't get "page 2" or "previous" buttons on the blog and some threads to function and can't get back to postings beyond those listed with the most recent.
artform> Thanks. I feel better and very positive.
Jack> I'm very sorry to hear that! It could be due to the fact that after the latest software upgrade something broke. Could you please send me an email with the details and the urls to the areas where this occurs and I'll pass it along to vbmtor?
Jack> (sorry was re: the buggy software, not that you're feeling better, LOL!)
Jack> Let's accentuate the positive... Please tell me more! :)
artform> LOL What's new?
artform> Mrs. a and I had a trip (for one of my out-of-town meetings) and had a wonderful evening of astral bliss float from the hotel bed, even tho' we were tired and it lasted a shorter time, at which point we fell deeply asleep...
Jack> VERY Lovely!
Jack> I'm very pleased to hear that you are enjoying each other so much, and that the Multiple Orgasm Trigger plays a part in that!
artform> Some but fewer MULTITIDES, but as you said last time, "Whose counting..."
artform> Key Sound and trigger skills generally, absolutely! Thanks again.
Jack> The fewer may be due to the tiredness. Also, the availability of the multiple orgasms tends to fluctuate just like any other biorhythm.
Jack> You're VERY welcome!
artform> That is my experience too.
artform> Did you see Ageless's reference to his shaman activities?
Jack> Those waxes and wanes are just another biorhythmic wave we learn to surf!
Jack> Didn't get a chance to yet. What's the URL?
artform> We were both so tired, I don't know how we actually got anywhere!
Jack> LOL!
Jack> I'm very glad you shared such a pleasant surprise!
artform> Ageless's Blog #4 comments; http://www.multiples.com/howtolastlo...g-4#comment409
Jack> Thanks for the link. Yes I agree with what he's saying there. In fact,
Jack> that was how I went about discovering the Key Sound™ and the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™. It was DEFINITELY a shamanic practice!
artform> I was very interested in your early postings about that and the Sumerian rituals. Can you expand on that?
Jack> Back in the 70's I developed a method of working with dreams and Calmposting™ nightmares that is based in part on shamanic traditions, and the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ discovery is one of the gifts of that practice.
artform> I can see/feel that.
Jack> Cool, in what ways?
artform> What else came of Calmposting?
artform> I have had to find ways to get beyond disturbing dreams and nightmares too at a couple of periods in my life so far.
artform> My approach has been through the explorations in and through hynagogia and lucid dreaming.
artform> The resolution of the period of spelunker nightmares that I mentioned in our chat with Laly a couple of weeks ago was...
Jack> I travelled around the US and Canada teaching workshops about it for about 7 years - a cycle of 7 - and then got involved in some other things for a while to take a break... then discovered the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ and that's been so compelling that I have given it my all. That said, I am planning to re-energize my teach on the Shamanic Dream Calmposting™ so it will have a Web record, and because it IS a VERY powerful practice. Based on a synthesis of shamanic traditions
artform> the trigger for working with hynagogia et al.
Jack> and Ericksonian methodology.
Jack> That's very cool, artform! Yes my method also frequently leads to lucid dream states.
artform> I have done sporadic reading and other explorations of shamanic practices but know very little. How does it work with E2 methods?
Jack> What are E2 methods?
artform> Sorry! Your Erickson. Erik E. being 1 in my shorthand. LOL
Jack> Ah no, the OTHER Erickson, Milton H. Erickson! From whom Bandler, Grinder, Cameron, and deLozier (whom I dubbed the Meta-4) developed NLP.
artform> Similarly with hypnosis, I have dabbled and been a subject of others hypnosis, always conscious of the state while in it.
artform> I think I mentioned months ago that mrs. a has taken some NLP courses but didn't really connect with it.
Jack> Yeah I can understand that.
Jack> :)
Jack> Hi Mog!
artform> So, Erickon, self-hynosis(?) and shamanic...
artform> Hi mog!
artform> Erickson
Jack> The original synthesis of Ericksonian methods and some shamanic traditions was developed by Dr. Eric Greenleaf (his name a great metaphor in its own right!) who was a prof of mine in graduate school. With his permission and support I took his basic approach and evolved it further into a formal (as in having more form, not as in up tight!) structure and added my own spice and methodology to it.
Jack> Dr. Greenleaf became the firt recipient of the Milton H. Erickson Award of Scientific Excellence for writing on hypnosis.
artform> So many areas yet unexplored! Thanks Jack. What about those Sumerians?
Jack> In 1978 I published an article about the Calmposting method in an A.R.E. sponsored publication called the Sundance Community Dream Journal - out of Virginia Beach Virginia.
artform> Is it available online?
Jack> Then in 1991 I self-published a monograph titled How to Calmpost Nightmares and Other Dreams Through Learning to BeFriend your Trance Persona'l Id Entities" :)
artform> WOW! Love it! Some of my sophmor(ic) poetry dealt at length with the Id.
artform> Is "...Id Entities" available?
Jack> There's a chap who claims to be republishing the Sundance Community Dream Journal Online at http://www.creativespirit.net/sundancedreamjournal/ but he only has published Volume 1 on the web so far.
artform> Separating Ego and "Executive Function" (not the best or pleasant term) is essential to a lot of this kind of practice.
Jack> I plan to re-release self-publication of the 1991 Edition. The original was a limited run collector's item - handmade with beautiful abstract images by my artist wife Jackie Miller.
artform> Thanks for that link. I am going to try my public library to see if they can source any of these. GREAT! Love those spousal collaborations. Mrs. a and I do that kind of project too.
artform> Hi airn!
Jack> RE: The link to the Sundance Community Dream Journal (btw, this was long before Sundance became a Redford brand) only has Volume 1 on the web, and my article was published in Volume 2.
Jack> Hi Airn! Welcome back!
artform> There has been sundancing for millennia!
Jack> Exactly!
Jack> Unfortunately Henry Reed didn't protect the name I guess so Redford wound up with it and of course has done very well with it, to his GREAT credit!
Jack> Actually the Calmposting concepts are woven in to the way I work with people in helping them learn The Multiple Orgasm Trigger™.
artform> Furball work...
artform> and allowing the body to speak...
Jack> Yes!
Jack> AND the whole idea of accepting ALL sensations and behaviors as a MESSAGE from our deeper Selves or, as I like to SPELL: S'elves.
Jack> And the attitude of Milton Erickson that ALL behavior and sensations are communications from the subconscious realms.
Jack> I believe that just as we are made up of many many! cells, we are made up of many many MANY subpersonalities who DO have consciousness and WISDOM.
artform> S'elves and all our "little people". What do you think of the recent pop-science attention to little people based on the discovery/controversies of the Florensis 3 feet high human species on the Indonesian island?
Jack> Oh! I was JUST recently reading about that in the new book SWAY. Have you read it?
artform> LOL. I have said for many years that we are the equivalent of a forest or a coral reef, as a vast multi-life community.
Jack> EXACTLY!
artform> I mean each individual human being; and then there is the whole social planetary civilization complexes layered over/around each of us!
artform> Have not heard of SWAY.
Jack> Ab SOUL LUTE ly!
artform> Strum away luthier!
Jack> I'm going to create a Library section for this site where I can make available all of the wonderful publications discussed in this forum over the years.
Jack> Exactly! re: luthier ;)
artform> That will be a key innovation! Wnderful!
artform> The more I have been involved, the more I am becoming convinced...
artform> that your great MMO innovations here, along with Aneros, The Tantra and Tao expanding interest, even the hetero-male strap-on movement...
artform> are all key elements in the current emergence of a planetary civilization, if we make it!
artform> ...part of the old adage "the East shall shake the West awake" or some more exact rendering.
Jack> Yeah, the big IF, eh? A saving grace of Chaos Theory is that the more disequilibriate or chaotic any system becomes, the less it takes for any single event to suddenly transform the whole works! AND what this event might be, cannot be predicted in advance! E.G. that familiar notion of how a single butterfly's flapping wings can trigger a hurricane.
Jack> BTW, that gave me a lot of encouragement about intuiting that the solution to unlocking multiple orgasm for men and women might be very subtle and lo and behold the Key Sound™!
artform> Speaking of SOUL and Ab(s); I have been sporadically doing some external prostate massage on my lower abdomen just above the pubic bone and at the sides by the inner thighs...
artform> Chaos and Fuzzy Sets. Bring on the "possibilities"!
Jack> Yeah let's hear it for the Warm Fuzzies!
artform> ... and tying the through the body stimulation there to increasing vagus nerve routing key sounding. Great fun so far.
Jack> Hey are you familiar with a website called The C-Realm? Ironically the guy uses a moniker of KMO. Pretty close to KSMO, eh? I think you'd really enjoy the content on that site!
artform> Hmmm. Now I have disappeared from "Users in the chatbox"...
artform> No I don't know of it. Thanks. I will visit.
Jack> Hey I'm glad you're having fun with it all. That's the idea! FUN is a Revolutionary Act! That's why I love the Loki Shaman archetype. The Trickster!
Jack> Yeah let me know what you think of that site. I think you might really resonate to it.
Jack> Yeah don't worry about that users in the chatbox bug. vbmtor hasn't managed to solve that pernicious rascal yet!
artform> It looks good. Books on the home page are old friends; always a good sign!
zeitgeist> ding-dong!
Jack> Um, books on the home page - that is in reference to... ???
Jack> Heyyyyy Zeit!
zeitgeist> :)
artform> Loki contributes a great deal. Sometimes I revert to a too linear mode!
artform> Hi zeitgeist!
Jack> BTW, how do you guys like the new photo on the multiples home page
zeitgeist> Hi ArtForm Jack Airn Mog and viewers!
artform> books on the homepage of C-Realm - I jumped briefly to scan it.
artform> Whoa! This should outsell Viagra!
artform> (re: new photo!)
artform> I hadn't seen it since I don't come through that door much.
Jack> Yeah, isn't that photo just PERFECT for our work here???!!!
zeitgeist> oh yes... works on a few levels;)
artform> It reminds me of mrs. a and I motoring down the highway, both energized with the joy of "Butt Buzz" and Cargasms.
Jack> LOL!
artform> LOL Indeed!
Jack> Yeah Z, I think it does too! What levels do you have in mind when you see it?
artform> Although the couple are young enough to be our children or younger!
Jack> That's the young couple in ALL of us as we awaken to this energy!
zeitgeist> I *knew* you were to ask!:D
artform> Right ON!
Jack> ;) > Z!
zeitgeist> The couple.... the couple in relation to the viewer...
zeitgeist> the presuppositions about the conversation/meeting right there...
zeitgeist> the closeness of the couple to the viewer...
zeitgeist> .. and they are having pizza tonight ;)
Jack> ROFL!
zeitgeist> and the success of the gesture made by the bloke (with that cheeky grin/posture.
zeitgeist> tad-da!
Jack> Yeah and of course the linkage to the read headline.
Jack> Yeah Z, I LOVE his grin and those bright eyes!
zeitgeist> {seeings you were talking about Milton earlier}
Jack> I'm thinking of making that guy's thumb's up our new favicon - what do you think?
artform> Very nice psycho-spatial mapping too!
zeitgeist> that *knowing* sharing of THE secret..
zeitgeist> with the viewer.
zeitgeist> etc. etc.
Jack> That was my take, too, Z! Mr. A, how about unpacking the meme of psycho-spatial for the readers, a bit?
Jack> Hey I just realized we have from A to Z in the chat today! ROFLMAO!
artform> Need a moment to recover!!!
zeitgeist> d'oh... :rolleyes:
zeitgeist> :D
Jack> LOL!
Jack> Would you like to see that photo at the top of the Forum home page too?
Jack> Just to add a cheery note to the proceedings?
Jack> It's pretty iconic!
zeitgeist> personally I think the forum looks cool as it is...:cool:
artform> consciousness locates in space as well as time (s/t/continuum) and as our memories of the immediate continuously construct our sense of the meaning of the moment shifts through the spaces between all the elements within the event horizon...
zeitgeist> and hey... what do others think..
artform> OOps that was short on punctuation!
zeitgeist> Nice frame Artform!
Jack> OMG artform is channelling the Pleidians!
artform> I agree with you Z on the look of the Forum.
Jack> Roger, copy!
artform> also channeling Rupert Sheldrake and my experiments in moving my consciousness outside my body while fully awake.
Jack> k, how about a thumbs up image for the favicon, or keep the current spiral, or?
zeitgeist> you like that serpent don't you? :)
Jack> Are you being ironic or literal, Z?
zeitgeist> oh dear...! (RoFL)....
zeitgeist> (trying to compose myself)
zeitgeist> I meant it in a nice way.....
zeitgeist> literally I meant, and now I laugh cos I can see it in an ironic sense
zeitgeist> you also know me for my irony so I can see why you asked!
artform> Mrs. a has developed a new "attachment" to my thumb and she might vote thumbs up!
Jack> :D > Z!
zeitgeist> I'm ok with the serpent...honestly!
zeitgeist> :D
Jack> LOL artform I get your drift!
Jack> Thanks Z!
zeitgeist> You're welcome, thanks for that moment!
Jack> What else for this session, gentlemen?
artform> Not to quash the fun but one more tech issue: I tried to upload an avatar image...
Jack> Yeah it's set to off. But I can turn it on if you'd like.
artform> which I had formatted within the Aneros limits of 80x80 pixels max and successfully uploaded there...
artform> No Jack, if you want to keep it off that's fine too.
artform> and what is the process of "Blog Categories"?
Jack> Danged if I know!
Jack> May be a new layer of complexity added with the latest upgrade of the Blog software.
Jack> I've reported that access bug you mentioned earlier to vbmtor and will also report it vBulletin / Jelsoft and get their input as well.
artform> Thanks Jack. I was just getting too exuberant about using all the possibilities of the site! I'll calmpost!
Jack> LOL!
Jack> Feel free to explore what function Blog Categories is and let me know!
artform> Thanks for another great exploratory chat! I am looking forward to your building your onsite library of related literature as we discussed earlier!!!
artform> I am at heavy eye-strain and so good-bye for now Z and Jack. All the best to both!
Jack> Ok, artform, thanks! It's been a great jam!
Jack> All our best wises to Mrs. A (that wishes was a "slip" but a nice gift from my subconscious so I left it as is!).
zeitgeist> take care!#
zeitgeist> Hey JJ!
zeitgeist> How are YOU doing?
Jack> I'm doing well, thanks!
zeitgeist> Pleased to hear that. I'll post a ps on the forum
zeitgeist> to follow up your great reply
Jack> Pretty high event density with all of this, of course, but savoring each lovely day with my Beloved!
Jack> How about you, my Dear Friend?
zeitgeist> yes give my best wishes to j*
zeitgeist> I'm 'nursing' still.. this is a respite moment :)
Jack> She said "Well thank him very much... Likewise... That's very sweet of him!"
zeitgeist> so 'high density' chimes with me too!
zeitgeist> {aw.. shucks!}
Jack> Understood. I hope you can feel in your heart my love and respect for you!
Jack> And that I am always wishing you the VERY best that life has to offer!
zeitgeist> I *DO* so... TY from the bottom of my heart!
Jack> You are very very welcome, Dear Friend!
zeitgeist> [shared good moment]
Jack> [ :) ]
zeitgeist> A nice connection there...
Jack> Yes...
Jack> I wish the very very best for you, Dear Soul.
zeitgeist> And to you.. for you.
zeitgeist> so, knowing you have been here for some considerable time dear friend...
zeitgeist> and others are beckoning in their own sweet way..
zeitgeist> and although I am loath to go; in this meditative moment..
zeitgeist> ...
Jack> Thank you for your kindness.
Jack> How are you doing these days?
zeitgeist> sooner than you might expect...
Jack> :)
zeitgeist> The pace of life is fast!
zeitgeist> so time mangement...or should that be self-management...
Jack> Yeah? Is work going well for you?
Jack> Yeah both... I can relate!
zeitgeist> is keenly or finely crafted!
Jack> Sounds successful!
zeitgeist> Work is ok, thankfully slowed down a bit so I can cope with the family situation
Jack> ah, challenges there
Jack> ?
zeitgeist> yes!
zeitgeist> however, hopefully as evidenced by my advances, copable with management
zeitgeist> copable copeable?
zeitgeist> mediatation and a KSMO sesh helps a great deal
zeitgeist> my attitude is way more laid back
Jack> As long as not culpable! :) I'm sorry to hear about the challenges! Perhaps we could communicate more privately via email about some that?
zeitgeist> sure, cool!
zeitgeist> and not culpable! :)
Jack> I'm glad the KSMO is a gift you give yourself, and that you're able to be more laid back about the challenges. I have definitely found that that fawn metaphor works in many aspects of life and not just allowing stronger KSMO echoes.
Jack> RE: cool... Great! I look forward to it!
zeitgeist> yes, others might evoke 'attraction' ;)
Jack> Ok, well how about we wrap it up here, and I'll look for an email from you, ok?
zeitgeist> sure, you've being going a long time... I'll email. :)
zeitgeist> look after yourselves!
Jack> BTW I've got a new spam filter system I'm trying so it might ask you verify. Please don't take it personally. :D
Jack> Thanks Z, you too... And I'll see you in email! Wishing all the VERY best!
zeitgeist> ok, I'll send it as plain as possible too!
Jack> ***** END of Multiple Orgasm Trigger Training and Discussion Chat for 20080726
zeitgeist> All the VERY best back!
Jack> Thanks! Be Well!
Jack> Next chat hosted by Jack Johnston MA begins at 0200 GMT Sunday July 27, which is 7pm Pacific Daylight Time SATURDAY July 26.
Session stop: Sat Jul 26 20:13:49 2008