Session start: Sat Jul 12 22:18:34 2008
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20080711
Laly> hi ageless
Jack> ***** BEGIN Multiple Orgasm Trigger Training and Discussion Chat of 20080713 GMT hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
Jack> Hi Laly!
Laly> hi jack!!
Jack> How are you this evening?
Laly> we have several umm people from TUT watching tonite :)
Laly> how am i?? how to answer that
Jack> WELCOME TUTSTERS!
Laly> i am frustrated and disappointed
Jack> Laly, if you're connected with them via IM or other means, I'd be happy to field questions from them.
Laly> i let them know that Jack
Jack> Great, thanks! I'm sorry to hear about your frustration and disappointment!
Laly> well it is carry-over from an bad episode that happened last nite jack
Jack> BTW, I don't know if you've read the Blog by Ageless, or the chat transcript from 20080712 GMT but I hope you will. You two have some similarities in your early traumatic history.
Laly> no i havent had chance yet
Laly> only had 4 hours- if that of sleep last nite
Jack> If I may ask, what do you mean by bad episode? As always, you certainly have the right to only discuss here what you choose to!
Laly> well- was all alone at Drew's house
Laly> and I saw a shadow of someone walking up drew;s sidewalk to front door and then peer into living room window- where I was sitting
Laly> freakign me out big time
Jack> WHOA!
Jack> Did you call the PD?
Laly> no-- i dont know this area and no phone book arounf
Laly> around
Jack> 911
Jack> FYI
Laly> *sighs
Jack> Not a criticism, just for future reference.
Jack> What time of night did this happen?
Laly> I was afraid to-- man I hate admitting that
Laly> 10:30 pm
Laly> was about to go to bed
Jack> Well I understand being afraid to call... yet which the greater fear? The prowler or the cops?
Laly> after lockign back slider door ... I decided to call Drew and explain what happnened
Laly> at the time jack-- both were the same
Jack> Again Dear Friend, this is all ex post facto, and absolutely no criticism implied... Just re: learning in case it happens again.
Laly> strange men.... :(
Jack> EXCELLENT RE: locking door first then calling Drew.
Jack> MORE THAN ONE PROWLER?
Laly> well as i did that-- 2 more men walked thru his back yard and up driveway
Laly> THEN i called drew
Laly> i assume were neighborhood boys
Laly> but i didnt wanna chance it
Jack> Yeah, definitely NOT to chance it!
Laly> it brought up feelings from being molested as child
Laly> that fear-
Jack> Didn't you say they were peeping in the window?
Laly> and I hated feeling it
Jack> JEEZ, I'll bet it did re: the memories!!!
Laly> one guy did--
Jack> Yeah I hear you re: hated having those memories triggered by these guys.
Laly> he left-- and then 2 more -- 5 min later-- thru back yard
Laly> uh huh-- needless to say sleep was out of the equation
Jack> Wow.
Jack> Yeah, needless to say!
Jack> What did Drew have to say? Were you able to get ahold of him?
Laly> yes
Laly> i explained wha happened
Laly> what
Laly> about guy peering INTO the living room and even he thought that was unusual
Jack> To put it mildly!
Laly> said he'd be home shortly and told me to breathe and realax
Laly> i said i'd try-- but was shaking soo bad at that point
Jack> No doubt!
Jack> Are you alone again tonight?
Laly> ended up finding safest place I could-- in downstairs chair
Laly> no-- he's here
Jack> GOOD re: safest place!
Laly> and scared him-- lol... cause was down here when he came down
Jack> This is just my recommendation, but I offer it:
Laly> we then talked about it for a few hours
Jack> I think you should go ahead and report the incident to the PD - and ask them to swing by on their night patrols for a while, if they would, please. And of course to be sure to tell them that there was more than one, and that the first one came up and looked in the window.
Laly> okay.
artform> Hi Laly and Jack!
Jack> Tonight, imho.
Laly> hi artform
artform> Has Ageless disappeared?
Laly> (welcome to my lil nightmare artform :( )
Jack> You can tell them that it happened last night, and that SO FAR nothing has happened like that tonight, but you'd appreciate their swinging by when they can.
artform> Thanks again Laly for all your help with the signature!!!
Jack> You never know... they might have been getting other reports, etc.
Laly> your welcome artform :)
Laly> okay jack...
artform> I'm really sorry to hear that these outside events have happened to you Laly. Hugs around the campfire here!
Laly> this episode--made it hard for me to be a part of the FC group today
Jack> no doubt!
Jack> Didyou tell them?
Laly> had to have someone physcially help me into room and into group
Laly> no--
Jack> UNDERSTANDABLY!
Jack> My last comment was re: needing help to get into the room.
Laly> ever try to walk while shaking so bad
Jack> Wondering why you didn't let the group know. Again, not criticism, just asking for information.
Laly> i knew that jack :)
Jack> It was adrenaline poisoning, Laly.
Jack> That's what causes the shaking. It truly IS debilitating.
Laly> because the group doesnt know my whole story yet jack
Jack> It's a natural shock reaction.
Laly> about being sexually abused, raped, any of that
Jack> Well I'm really glad you told Drew.
Laly> i think he got a little upset with me
Laly> today-- as I said I wasn't needed in the group today
Jack> I hear ya re: not yet sharing your earlier history. FYI, telling them about the Peeping Tom and your reaction to it doesn't mean you're required to share the rest of your history with them at this time, if ever. YOU get to choose where you draw the line. Just FYI.
Laly> and that i didnt want to bring my frustration and anger from last nite- into the room.
Jack> I realize that with your history, that stuff doesn't come naturally, but again FYI, that trespass and window peep was illegal and boundary violation in its own right - FYI.
Laly> had i got chosen Jack- i would have shared that
Laly> today.
Jack> I hear ya. Please know that in my opinion, you wouldn't have to wait to be chosen, you have the right in my opinion to speak up about it. It's exceptional.
Jack> Mind you, I'm not saying you had an obligation to, but imho you DO have the right to claim that kind of support.
Jack> Just FYI as your friend.
Laly> i know jack...drew says same thing to me :).
Laly> is not an easy thing fo rme
Laly> for me
Jack> [Welcome back artform, BTW!]
Laly> sharing heart and thoughts with others
Jack> Yeah I know it's not easy. But you're not to blame for that!
Jack> It's OK.
Jack> And YOU are OK.
Laly> in that kind of envirnoment
artform> Thanks Jack.
Laly> am uncomfortable with a lot of people looking at me
Jack> Also FYI, if/when you report this to the Police, you don't have to tell THEM about your history either - you can just tell them about the incident... IF you choose to.
Jack> YOU always get to CHOOSE.
Laly> okay.
Laly> if happens again
Jack> RE: the discomfort of people looking at you... that's very understandable! ESPECIALLY in such a vulnerable state!
Laly> i promise
Laly> not to mention the lcose quarters as well
Laly> close
Jack> Also please understand that you don't have to wait for it to happen again. If they see the Po Po patrolling that might discourage them from their being a next time.
Jack> You don't need for there to be a next time!
Laly> yea
Jack> It's up to you though, of course!
Laly> i know.
Jack> You can even call the Police tomorrow and report it. You can tell them you were just too scared that night, but that you wanted them to know.
Laly> but i did interact with individual group members more over lunch hour
Jack> That's OK too. I'm just sketching out some OPTIONS for you.
Laly> today...had several first time people there today.
Jack> Ah that's great re: lunch hour interactions. CONGRATULATIONS!
artform> Laly, I was part of part of Jack's great conversation with Ageless this afternoon...
Laly> cool artform :)
artform> ...where Jack suggested that you and Ageless might well have good conversations given his early severe traumas...
Laly> oh
artform> ... and his relate some some of the serious traumas in my youth too...
artform> ...and i think we three might have some good conversations too.
Laly> okay...
Laly> that'sd be nice
Laly> (sorry for typos-- on hours 16 of being awake)
Jack> No apology necessary, Laly. This ain't a spelling test! :)
Laly> lol- thanks
artform> I too have suffered from adrenal collapse, with tremendous body shaking and heavy tremors! This was years ago and mrs. a called the ambulance and they carted to the hospital...
Jack> You see, Laly? That's four of us, right off the top, that have that kind of history re: the early abuse. You are not alone, and you are not to blame!
Jack> Wow artform, that's a VERY intense episode! GOOD FOR MRS A!
Laly> yeah--but is thought that I "thought" i was over the being afraid jack
Laly> that was the frustrating part.
Laly> i slike :BAM: right back in the nightmare
artform> Her family were much calmer and that has given me a wonderful "alternative reality" and friendship!
Laly> awesome artform.
Jack> Well, Laly, you may not ever be entirely over being afraid. And the thing is, even if you had never had that crap happen to you when you were younger, fear was an entirely appropriate response to the Peeping Tom - it was a severe personal boundary violation.
artform> Laly, I know that intense feeling too...
Jack> Yeah artform, that is VERY cool that Mrs. A and her family are so supportive and such good healthy behavioral models!
artform> for years I suffered from waking nightmares about being stuck underground cave crawling and unable to free myself, suffocating...
artform> ...and I would awaken in panicked sweats!
Laly> wow
Laly> I would wake up screaming :(
Laly> o this day I hate being held down-
artform> It was a metaphor for a decades-long battle with "attackers" who have deliberately tried to destroy a significant part of my life.
Laly> anything tight against throat.
Laly> :(
artform> It also paralleled a real event when a famous spelunker did get trapped underground, could not back out and died there.
Laly> for many years- i cringed whenever someone just touched me. or would burst out crying
Laly> oh wow.
Laly> yeah-- i think i remember that.
artform> My story is not to take us to pain, but I try to celebrate the persistence and successes in getting past those earlier events, while acknowledging that the scars are still there and alive.
Laly> yes.
Jack> Jeez artform, I'm very sorry to hear about your suffering as well!
Jack> Yeah I too agree with what you just said artform. BIG TIME!
artform> And so I can empathize with you and your history and with what Ageless has told us of his difficult history.
Laly> I am often asked if I could reverse time and change that ... would I?
Laly> re: not being molested or raped-- I thought long and hard and said no - it has made me who I am today
artform> ...and can only celebrate you and all of us in this community of bliss energies!!!
Laly> despite the uglyness- my love and heart still shne
Laly> shine
artform> I have had that same response and reply when other friends who know or find out commiserate.
Laly> like Jack said- empathize :)
artform> Shine indeed!
Laly> even understand -- to a certain degree.
Laly> ok-- i hate to say it..but is bedtime
artform> Thanks so much Laly and Jack! I too have had a long day and am going to sign off... Hugs and Good Night.
Laly> HUGS artform back-- sweet dreams
Laly> sweet dreams Jack :)
Jack> Here's the link to The Unthinkable by Amanda Ripley
Jack> I HIGHLY Recommend this book! It's about getting past the panic and surviving a disaster.
Laly> okay , thanks- check it out tomorrow
Jack> Take care artform and Laly! Sweet Dreams to BOTH of You, with Warmest Wishes to Mrs. A too!
Laly> am needing to sleep
Laly> night
Jack> Sweet Dreams!
Jack> ***** END Multiple Orgasm Trigger Training and Discussion Chat for 20080713 GMT hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
Ageless> Thanks Even for your comments. Everything helps at this point. And yes, I do believe Jack is right.
Jack> Yeah I just read even's post, and extend my thanks as well for the additional experience-based confirmation. Have a great rest-of-weekend!
Jack> Warm Welcome to our Newest Newbie: HappyCamper!
Jack> Congratulations to 79 year old Ageless on your first Adventure into the Continuous Multiorgasmic Zone posted to your Blog!
airn> Didn't make it to the chat :-( Read even and Ageless's posts :-D
Ageless> Hi Artform -- sorry to hear about your physical difficulties. I guess we both have our burdens. I would believe the physical ones you must bear are more of a load than my mental ones -- although you have them too.
Laly> hi
Laly> hi happycamper :) - welcome
artform> Hi Laly and happycamper!
Laly> hi artform!!!
artform> Sorry to have missed you Ageless!
artform> How are you Laly?
Laly> I am wonderful artform
artform> Great!
Laly> How are you?
artform> I am fine too, just getting rested after a two-day trip and major meeting of an organization where I am a member.
Laly> okay...sounds like me
Laly> I've been keeping an eye on the forum for Jack for a few days.
artform> Sorry, I was distracted for a few minutes. Jack is away is he? How have things been going?
Laly> Yes...only for a few days... and things are going good
Laly> signed up a few people ...working with Jack ...soon-
artform> This is such a great resource and community. I can't get over the warmth and sense of humanity in us all being able to have these conversations that are largely taboo in most social situations.
Laly> I agree
artform> Are you working on your blog and posts?
Laly> right now no-
Laly> will be posting to blog-just figuring out what to say
artform> I don't recall at the moment, but do you take fish oil?
Laly> i used to-cant afford it anymore
artform> Hmmm
artform> I started by taking a formula with other herbal components for my heart condition. Fortunately it is not too costly, but is also quite low in the two key Omega-3s. I do think it has added benefits even at low levels for me in our practices here. We have the Orgasmic Diet book. I've just tried adding some more oil to my diet, but have to watch the blood thinning effects! I agree about the cost of the fully recommended quantity.
Laly> nice
Laly> been so hot weather wise- havent felt like practicing
Laly> been actually working with other energy methods
Laly> and how they are complimenting the KS method= re: arousal and echo effects
artform> It does take the energy out of us doesn't it? We were staying in an air-conditioned hotel for the meeting, but had lower level session due to travel fatigue!
artform> I am interested in other energy methods you are using. We too are exploring others.
Laly> yeah...a few nights went to bed early because was tired.
Laly> been doing some energy healing sessions - that takes quite a bit out of me
artform> I started and mrs. a has recently joined me in Chi Walking, which I find invigorating; energy accumulating!
Laly> awesome
artform> I go at a pace between standard walking and race walking.
artform> The forward leaning posture seems to help my back/neck/chest muscle spasms problems too.
Laly> yeaa :)
artform> What practice(s) are you using?
Laly> I spent an hour with a Theta healer last nite-- now THAT was interesting to expereince
artform> Do you use bio-feedback in that process?
Laly> Quantum Touch and Reiki
Laly> yes
artform> Ah Quantum Touch! Years ago we bought the book and practiced "Touch for Health" and I believe that we have had positive effects and we still use it from time to time. A friend of ours is a Reiki enthusiast and we are interested in learning more.
Laly> me too- Drew is Reiki Master and works on me time to time
artform> What is the form of bio-feedback you use?
Laly> communication with the person am working on
Laly> to make sure not uncomfortable
artform> With all these approaches to these bio-electric, bio-magnetic, bio-chemical subtle energies from so many traditions and practices, you would think that there would be more scientific interest and medical interest in studying them, or are we "addicted" to the pharmaceutical industry?
artform> mrs. a and I have used deep relaxation techniques since we were married for better sleep and general healing/energy centering too. Being comfortable and able to focus on these subtle energies is fundamental, I agree.
Laly> I agree-but I also see that "mainstream" public is more interested in the 'quick' relief that comes from drugs
Laly> that is easier to pop a pill than accept natural healing method
Laly> from what i've seen - public wants the "proof" in hand -- regarding success
artform> I agree - the disconnected life is too easy, at least in the moment but superficially.
artform> "Proof" is the other side of what i meant by the lack of scientific interest too.
Laly> yes.
artform> As we all know, the proof is in you own body and being, if you take the time to learn to access it!!!
Laly> Since I've started QT and Reiki- I've relied less on drugs to deal with physical pain
Laly> sleep better = for the most part
artform> I have done that too for years since Touch for Health. Also unfortunately I tend to get side effects from many of the pharmaceuticals.
Laly> yes- that is why I tend to not take many anymore.
artform> Also, as you said earlier costs with drugs can be a huge factor. I found a natural supplement approach that replaced two drugs that were only partly effective in helping with a condition and costly me back then over $300.00 a month! The natural approach also works far better!
artform> "costing"
Laly> wow
artform> not "costly"
Laly> yeah - i figured that
artform> The natural supplement costs $11.00 a month!
Laly> sweet :). gotta love that huh
artform> Indeed!
artform> You would think that our governments, concerned with healthcare costs and its negative effects on the economy would fund research into naturals and personal energies techniques!
Laly> yes
artform> Laly, our sons are home and we are about to do a project together. Wonderful to chat with you and share experiences as always. All the best!
Laly> same to you artform- take care
artform> See you again soon. Good bye for now.
Laly> bye for now
Session stop: Sat Jul 19 14:07:21 2008