Session start: Sat Jun 28 22:34:52 2008
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20080627
Jack> *** Next chat hosted personally by Jack begins at 7pm Pacific Daylight Time Saturday June 28. In GMT/UTC that is: 0200 Sunday June 29 I hope to see you here!
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Training and Discussion Chat for GMT June 29 2008 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
Jack> Hello!
Drew> Hi Jack.
Jack> Hello Drew, How are you?
Drew> I'm OK (in between the panic attacks) :(
Jack> About how frequently do the serenity surrenders seem to be occurring?
Drew> rather frequently today
Jack> The panic attacks or the serenity surrenders?
Drew> Both, I suppose.
Jack> When was the last time one occurred?
Drew> earlier this evening, maybe a couple of hours ago.
Jack> How're you feeling now?
Drew> A little better... Still uptight though.
Jack> How's your breathing?
Drew> Needing to remind myself to breathe.
Drew> LOL
Jack> I can relate!
Drew> I may do a little exercise.
Jack> It's a good idea, on occasion. :)
Drew> On occasion?
Jack> Don't you agree?
Drew> Of course... When is it not?
Jack> Maybe when you're under water.
Drew> Wouldn't swimming (as in to the surface) be a top priority?
Jack> Depends on how long you can hold your breath I guess.
Jack> Or what you might have along with you.
Jack> Or what might be surrounding you.
Drew> Apparently, quite a lot... In spite of feeling panicky.
Jack> Quite a lot of... ?
Drew> Breath holding (Do pay attention, Double-O-Seven!) :P
Jack> Quite a lot of breath holding in spite of feeling panicky?
Drew> Yes!
Drew> In answer to "Depends how long you can hold your breath"
Jack> I'm confused!
Drew> It's OK... Doesn't really matter.
Jack> How might I help?
Drew> I really appreciate the offer, I'm not sure that you can.
Drew> You can be 'supportive', yet at the end of the day, I have to do it for myself.
Jack> Yeah?
Drew> Actually, that's something that "I" am confused about.
Drew> I have felt 'alone' for my entire life.
Drew> I also have many 'defenses' that make it hard for me to truly let other people in.
Jack> :(
Drew> It's playing out now...
Drew> I know I'm responsible for my own life and what I 'create'
Jack> That's pretty brave of you to say!
Drew> yet I also feel I have to do it ALL by my self.
Drew> It's a tough place to be.
Jack> Yeah. I hear you.
Drew> I don't know what else to say about it... It's not really KSMO related.
Jack> What if you didn't do it all by yourself?
Jack> re: KSMO related... well... it might be.
Jack> Close enough as far as I'm concerned. :)
Drew> Well, part of me know that's impossible anyway.
Jack> What is?
Drew> To do it ALL by myself.
Drew> I'm realizing it's to do with the lack of 'emotional' support in my life.
Drew> And somehow, not fully letting in what IS offered.
Jack> Of course fully might be a bit of a tall order... How about a little?
Drew> Even that seems too much of a stretch.
Jack> By what measure?
Drew> Not sure... Maybe I DO it more than I realize?
Jack> Do what, more?
Drew> Let people 'in'.
Jack> Yeah?
Drew> Compared to a few years ago, I would say 'yeah'.
Jack> How about that?
Jack> !
Drew> Growth (I suppose).
Jack> You're kinda kickin' yer ass, aren't ya?
Drew> HUGELY! And it's NOT working.
Drew> I'm having a hard time with 'motivation' and taking action.
Jack> Do you remember how young farmer Erickson used to get his horse to go into the barn when he just wouldn't go no matter how hard he pulled on the reins?
Drew> No eye Deer!
Jack> Well ya gotta be careful of course, but he'd walk around behind ol' Dobbin, and very gently pull his tail - but be careful - a lot can go on back there, very suddenly!
Drew> I'll bet.
Jack> Did you see the Redford film, the Horse Whisperer?
Drew> Yes (a while ago though).
Jack> You might enjoy googling monty roberts youtube.
Jack> googling and ogling :)
Drew> Whozzat?
Jack> He's a horse whisperer kind of guy. But I think Redford does a very good job too.
Drew> I see.
Jack> You might enjoy watching the Redford film again.
Drew> I have found him on YouTube.
Drew> OK, it's usually on cable TV quite often.
Jack> yeah. Here's a nice story from a website that has more good ones: http://www.horsewhisperer.com/leo.htm
Drew> OK, thanks.
Jack> You're welcome!
Jack> What can you do for yourself this evening?
Drew> Not sure.
Jack> Noted. Question stands.
Drew> I'm watching 'comedy' right now in the hope of experiencing some laughter.
Jack> Are you experiencing any?
Drew> Not really.
Jack> Well, an idea just came to mind.
Drew> OK.
Jack> Interested?
Jack> Curious?
Drew> Sure.
Jack> I know it's late, but turn off the unfunny comedy (or sit thru it if you need to), but before you go to bed,
Jack> sit down and hand-write a short thank you note to someone who has reached out to you. Someone whom you have let in... even if only a little.
Jack> No apologies... just stick with Thank You.
Drew> That's a great idea!
Jack> Then real-mail it to them.
Drew> Does e-mail count?
Jack> real-mail, dude.
Jack> In your own hand.
Drew> I'm not sure I have snail-mail addresses.
Jack> cursive writing
Drew> Hmmm... that's a twist.
Jack> Then you can send ME an email to let me know when you've done it! There, I'll split the difference with you! ;)
Drew> :p
Jack> :D
Jack> Run along now, and do your Om work!
Drew> LOL
Jack> I Love Ya, Brother.
Drew> Thanks, Jack!
Jack> My Pleasure!
Drew> < is laughing a little now.
Jack> Did the movie get better?
Drew> It's not a movie, it's (the late) George Carlin on HBO.
Jack> Yep he sure knew how to do it!
Drew> I don't like all of his stuff, but when he's on, he's ON!
Jack> Yeah he's very good at popping balloons, imho.
Drew> LMAO, he just popped one!
Drew> And another!
Jack> [Standing up and stretching...] Well, I'd better get going, I've got a long drive home and it's late. I'll just see myself out. ;)
Drew> Stretching is always good too.
Jack> Yep, have a good one. I look forward to receiving that email. Have a good one!
Drew> You too, Jack.
Jack> ****END of Multiple Orgasm Trigger Training and Discussion Chat
Lopez> Hi Pan, how are you?
Laly> HIII PANN HUGSSS
artform> Hi Laly! How are you doing?
artform> Hugs Laly. Look forward to chatting with you again soon.
Jack> Hi artform sorry I JUUUUST missed you!
Jack> To all of our American community members - Happy Multiorgasmic Independence Day tomorrow!
Jack> In fact, Happy Multiorgasmic Independence Day to EVERYone whereEVER you may be! 24/7/365!
Jack> artform, the butterfly! I just missed you again! LOL!
Jack> Hey I really liked what you said at the end of your recent reply to mog and Bonaparte in the bioelectrics and the Multiple Orgasm Trigger thread, where you said: The more we rewire, the more we reconnect... VERY Cool!
Jack> Hellooooo also to GrandMaster OMG MOG!
loosecanon1> I am finding the technicalities of navigating Wiki overwhelmingly complicated: how do I highlight/copy/print the instructions so I can reread them at my leisure and gradually absorb them?
Jack> Hi canuck75!
Jack> loosecanon1 I'm sorry you're having trouble navigating the wiki! As is the tradition of wiki's they are a cooperative effort, so as you DO learn how to navigate, remember the difficulties you've had and help us on the wiki project to make it more easily navigable!
Jack> That said, loosecanon1: First, what are you looking for that you couldn't find? Where did you get stuck?
Jack> Also, in the left column of any wiki page, just under my handsome photo, is a box called Navigation. The sixth item down is a link labeled Help. Have you tried it? What kind of help were you seeking that was not addressed in the Help area?
Helios> hi all
Jack> Wie gehts, Helios!
Jack> Here are answers to your questions in the email you sent me:
Jack> Your Key Sound™
Jack> as you described it is NOT correct!
Jack> Use the Key Sound™ Articulation Validation link just below this ChatBox
Jack> to go to the private Key Sound™ Validation area and post
Jack> an .mp3 sample of your Key Sound™.
Jack> NOTE you MUST be LOGGED IN to the Forum to even SEE that link!
Jack> The link is just below the RED heading that says: NEW SERVICE INCLUDED With your Forum Registration.
Jack> After you have posted your sample in that area, I will post a reply in that area with information about how to articulate your Key Sound™ correctly!
Jack> If you have not done so as yet, I recommend that you get a copy of my SECOND audio training seminar that is devoted entirely to coaching you on how to articulate the Key Sound™ correctly.
Jack> You can get a copy at http://www.multiples.com/ksorder.html
Jack> You don't HAVE to put your chin to your chest and then move it away as you make the sound, but there is a natural tendency to do so, when you DO make the Key Sound™ correctly.
Jack> After you do the Key Sound™, then yes make 2 to 4 gentle, unforced, relaxing breaths... VERY relaxing breaths...
Jack> RE: direct stimulation... you don't need to use a lot, and it doesn't need to be continuous...
Jack> You do NOT need to try to maintain erection during the practice sessions.
Jack> That said, you SHOULD use a VERY GENTLE caress of a pleasurable area of your body, just before you use the Key Sound™
Jack> ... then, when you articulate the Key Sound™ accurately it will amplify the little tingle you get in response to the caress... into stronger, more pleasurable sensations, that I call Echo Effects™.
Jack> I call them Echo Effects™ because they are an echo-like RESPONSE to that little caress PLUS the amplification effect of the Key Sound™.
Jack> The effects that you described in your email are a very good start! As you learn to articulate the Key Sound™ correctly, those effects will get stronger and stronger until they become multiorgasmic!
Jack> Tschuss! ;)
Jack> Hello Andrea and Laly, I hope you are both having a relaxing and enjoyable MultiOrgasmic Independence Day! ;)
Andrea> Hello Jack!!
Andrea> Hi laly and everyone else!!
Andrea> Happy independance day to you too
Jack> I'm just stopping by for a little while today - it's being a holiday and all. How goes your practice?
Andrea> well not too much in the past months unfortunately
Andrea> been oh soooo busy
Andrea> but i plan to step it up starting soon
Andrea> sometimes life hands us unexpected events
Andrea> ....and eats up our time
Jack> Tell ME about THAT!!! LOL...
Jack> I'm glad to hear you're almost ready to slide back in to a practice groove... Please remember,
Andrea> haha ya, I know it really is no excuse
Jack> that it's just 20 minutes per session, and only 1 to 3 times per week will have surprising effects!
Jack> BTW, it would be good for you to go ahead and post a Key Sound™ sample to the Free Validation area, just to make sure you're on track.
Jack> Your phone consultation that we had entitles you to another free validation review!
Andrea> yes it is just hard for me to get back in the routine i think
Andrea> free validation review?
Jack> Do you see the link just below here, that you need click to get to that posting area?
Jack> Yes!
Jack> Are you on the Forum home page at the moment?
Andrea> ah yes
Jack> There's a box just below this ChatBox (provided you haven't clicked the Expand Chatbox button), that begins with the words in red:
Jack> NEW SERVICE INCLUDED With your Forum Registration
Jack> At the bottom of that little box is a LINK to the free Key Sound™ Validation Area.
Andrea> yes i got it
Jack> Remember that vbmtor, our vBulletin Forum Wizard, has specially configured that area so that only you and I will see your post there, and to hear your sample.
Jack> Ok, GREAT!
Andrea> it has my old keysound samples too
Jack> To eeeeezzz into the practice, just choose to do ONE 20 minute practice session and find out what happens.
Jack> Yes it does have your personal archive and my comments.
Jack> Then in a week OR SO, you can do maybe just one more... and see what happens...
Andrea> ya it really has been a while I must try to see if i get the old feelings back
Jack> Then in oh, a week or ten days, or wheneverrrr, another little 20 minute session.
Jack> Well, don't TRY to GET the feelings back. Just PRACTICE, and then RELAX and ALLOW your BODY WISDOM to GIVE you what feelings it will! ;)
Jack> When it's darned good and ready! :D
Jack> [Hey Bonaparte, Happy MultiOrgasmic Independence Day!]
Andrea> ya i forgot how beautifully "yin" this practice really is
Andrea> in fact ive been completely celibate the past few months
Jack> Well ya did the right thing to check back in, so we could give you a little reminder! :)
Bonaparte> hello all - Happy Glorious 4th to u 2
Andrea> and it wil be interesting to see how that will effect things
Andrea> ya haha
Andrea> hi bonaparte
Jack> Well, it may take a little longer for the Echo Effects™ to strengthen, or it may happen a little sooner... just relax and stay open to being pleasantly surprised. Like you say, the Yin Path. ;)
Bonaparte> this is my first chat sessio0n so I am not quite up to speed on all the buttons and whatnot - Hi Andrea
Jack> Remember that delightful paradox is that the more you let go of trying get the Echo Effects™, the more likely they are to appear!
Jack> He Andrea, let's welcome KSMO veteran yet ChatBox virgin Bonaparte!
Jack> Well Boney, feel free to push a few buttons ahem and see what happens! :D
Bonaparte> I am at the place of realising I have to let go - I'm not a 'letting go' kind of person, all that much
Andrea> lol
Bonaparte> but , sure, I can push a button ... :p
Jack> It's a chance for us to tease vbmtor about how user friendly his ChatBox design is or isn't. ;)
Bonaparte> that one gave me a tongue sticking out
Bonaparte> we call that a raspberry around here
Jack> Hey that was a good button push, Boney! Now you're no longer a button virgin either! You're on a roll, dude!
Jack> :cool:
Jack> Yep, raspberry is my favorite fruit!
Bonaparte> in re : letting go, I bought an aneros, a prostate cradle, and have been experimenting with them and my perineal area feels pretty uninvolved
Jack> :p:p:p
Jack> uninvolved AFTER taking them for a trial run?
Bonaparte> I met a woman (mentioned here recently, I taught her KSMO) and that is helping me open up
Bonaparte> yeh,
Jack> (the raspberries of mine were NOT in response to your uninvolved comment!
Bonaparte> I remember your CD says, in re: the perineal "hot spot" you might feel like you have to jump off it , it's so sensitive
Bonaparte> if only :rolleyes:
Jack> Hey that's great that you have a partner to share the process of discovery with. Congratulations!
Jack> Well, just use the toys SOME of the time, but not ALL of the time.
Bonaparte> :p sometimes I just like to raspberry for the hell of it whn I'm all alone
Bonaparte> I like th way my lips feel when they vibrate
Bonaparte> self stim they called it when I was studying abnormal psych
Jack> Sometimes those areas, just like the Echo Effect™ response itself, need a little breathing room to awaken.
Bonaparte> other times I shoot rubber bands at the lampshade
Andrea> i have an aneros too but it is quite irritating sometimes
Bonaparte> anyway, KSMO..
Jack> Boney are you getting Echo Effects™ from shooting rubber bands and the lampshade?
Bonaparte> there's a neat list of milestones on the aneros site , one of the advanced ones is, "I no longer think this is the 'wrong size' aneros
Bonaparte> makes kind of a dull thunk, the rubber band
Jack> Yeah, Andrea I hear you re: irritating. Easy does it, Brother!
Bonaparte> but it makes me smile
Jack> LOL and copy that, re: wrong size, Boney!
Bonaparte> "trying too hard" is my middle name
Andrea> well its probably because i have prostatitis, im not sure
Bonaparte> still, things are moving
Jack> BTW, Bonaparte, that vibrating lips trick can be a real favorite with a partner, if you know what I mean.
Bonaparte> I took someone's advice ((Mog? Pan?) to just massage the perineum at night for a few weeks and pay atention
Bonaparte> :p
Bonaparte> vroom, vroom:p
Jack> Ooh yeah re: prostatitis, Andrea. You might wanna check with your proctologist about that issue. That might be a bit risky... that is, the Aneros might act as a further irritant - yikes!
Bonaparte> anyway, I remembered something the opther day
Bonaparte> I think I chsed the fawn away a long time ago
Bonaparte> a story:
Jack> Very good recommendation about the massage, Bonaparte.
Andrea> proctologist ill check it out
Bonaparte> (grab a pillow and sit back, as I take you down the long tunel to the days of yesteryear..)
Bonaparte> when I was 20, I was on my bicycle one day
Bonaparte> I was in the Navy
Jack> A theme that imho permeates pretty much ALL of KSMO practice is Easy Does It... Gently Done, Sir!
Bonaparte> (if you remember the Village People song)
Jack> Good Andrea, re: check.
Jack> Yes, re: the VPs.
Bonaparte> I had an erection, from the vibration of the hard leather bicycle seat on the road and felt the hot spot swollen and feling really good
Bonaparte> and I immediately shut it down because I thought it meant I was going gay
Jack> Yeah it's incredible just how easily one can suddenly become gay!
Bonaparte> and maybe I need to apologise to the fawn, so to speak
Bonaparte> yuk yuk
Jack> :p
Bonaparte> yes, It happens so easily one must be constantly on ones guard
Bonaparte> :p
Jack> uh yeah.
Bonaparte> so now I am fooling around down there
Jack> You got my drift.
Bonaparte> and feeling .. well, not great yet, but better
Bonaparte> it helps that I met a woman who is good at prostate massage
Jack> Hey THAT's good! Just a little better at a time.
Jack> That's good!
Bonaparte> andrea, have you used the aneros? sorry to hear about your prostatits
Jack> Your body's inner wisdom knows how much better your system can tolerate at a time.
Bonaparte> prostatitis
Andrea> yes I have
Bonaparte> does it "move by itself"?
Andrea> not really you have to contract sphinctors down there
Bonaparte> it's fascinating to have this whole universe (SUPPOSEDLY) waiting to reveal itself - if only it would
Andrea> i never used it much
Andrea> too irritating for the most part
Bonaparte> well, supposedly, it starts contractions that start a feedback loop that causes contractions, that create more stuimulation
Bonaparte> is the theory anyway
Andrea> im sure it will some in time
Andrea> come
Bonaparte> :(
Bonaparte> sorry to hear about your prostatitis
Bonaparte> I thought the Aneros was supposed to hel that
Jack> Bonaparte, re: the Attack of the If Only 's ... that If Only loop imho is another control trap... wanting to MAKE it happen. It's a challenging habit to trance end.
Andrea> come on now ive been after the mmo for years and still no real luck for me
Andrea> but it does not mean ill stop trying.....im gonna get it!
Andrea> and so are you im sure
Bonaparte> can you feel your prostate from outside? Stimulate it from outside? Jack, are you consciously aware of palpating your prostate externally or is it just a generalized nice massage on an erogenous zone, sort of diffuse? I mean, I can find my butt with both hands, and the rest of the equipment, but this is a new one for me
Jack> real luck imho is another cognitive trap.
Andrea> well prostatitis has diff causes and diff people find relief in diff ways
Jack> It suggests that you HAVE had some results, but then you label them as no real luck so they say... oh well... he's not giving us any credit so we'll just go back to sleep.
Bonaparte> I wasn't expecting to get in a chat today - this is a nice surprise
Jack> my previous line was re: no REAL luck, Andrea.
Andrea> cure, never heard of aneros curing prostatitis but many prostatitis sufferers find relif in using it
Bonaparte> "so they say... oh well... " "THEY" who are "ThEY" the herd of elusive fawn? Fawns? Fauna/ whatever the plural is,.. are
Jack> Bonaparte, re: nice surprise... Hey all RIGHT! There's a nice little CLUE about KSMO! ;)
Bonaparte> ah ha:)
Andrea> you know your right even though I have never experienced a full body orgasm i have had some good experiences and itend to downplay them
Jack> Now you get more of a clue of what I mean that the greater challenge in learning this lifelong skill is NOT between the legs, it's between the ears!
Jack> GREAT AWARENESS ANDREA!
Bonaparte> it's a yin practice, you were saying?
Jack> That AHA you just had is an orgasm of awareness!
Andrea> true
Bonaparte> and the same things that make for good sex for a woman may help me, too? (relaxation, less stress, or so I hear, will help women orgasm)
Jack> Notice how even I (oui, moi!) sometimes need to bring myself back on course after the all too human tendency to diminish an event including a very important insight as little!
Bonaparte> I have had some good ones, too, but not lately
Andrea> awareness is key, but awareness without judging or expecting
Bonaparte> I thinkI am going after it from a cockoriented mindset like I'm fixing a car..(grab this, crank there, get output there)
Jack> Drop your but (etc) phrase Bonaparte and type that line again and notice the difference in how you feel. Go ahead!
Jack> Yeah that's another important insight, Brother!
Andrea> alright guys it was good talking to you, ive gotta get going for dinner with the fam
Jack> We are SO enculturated for to that pattern of thinking about push this button, turn that crank, etc. etc.
Bonaparte> ah! yes... I have had some good ones, too... (smiles)
Andrea> happy multiorgasmic independance day!
Bonaparte> auf wedersehen, Andrea
Jack> Right on Andrea, thanks for stopping by! Enjoy your evening! Watch out for those mind traps.
Jack> When you notice yourself doing them, don't kick your ass, just notice the part of the statement that is the discount,
Bonaparte> Jack - you moved to Novato? where's that?
Jack> and restate the phrase out loud, without that discount part, and notice the difference in how you feel!
Jack> No I didn't move to Novato... one of the other Forum members did.
Andrea> awareness without judging
Bonaparte> it worked for me ( leting go of the discount)
Jack> I used to live in Sonoma County just north of San Francisco and one of the other Forum
Bonaparte> a neat trick, Jack, ty
Andrea> auf (v)edersehen bonaparte
Jack> members may be moving to Novato which is in north Marin county, just north of San Francisco.
Andrea> bye jack
Bonaparte> o
Bonaparte> andrea is in ... Germany?
Jack> You're welcome Bonaparte! Yeah it's a little Mind Aikido that has amazing effects re: the dropping the discounting part of the phrase.
Jack> Do THAT instead of hassling yourself with a > There I go again phrase.
Andrea> no haha
Jack> It's just another opportunity to grow, right in the moment!
Andrea> just pronouncing phonetically
Jack> Bye Andrea!
Andrea> alright guys im out
Andrea> cya all later
Bonaparte> bye
Jack> I need to get going too, but this has been a great spontaneous jam. That's what this ChatBox is for!
Bonaparte> how long do you chat, usually, Jack?
Jack> Anything else I might help ya with before I bail, Bonaparte?
Bonaparte> k -
Bonaparte> good to check in, I feel like I got the little bit of input to take the next little step in letingt go
Jack> Well I reserve 12 hours a month for the coaching
Jack> chats at that times posted at the top of the Forum.
Bonaparte> can't think of anythig, I'll check in again if I get a chance
Bonaparte> thanks again
Jack> I alot up to 3 hours for each scheduled chat.
Jack> Other than those times, it's pretty much as time and energy permit.
Jack> BTW, do you like the new chat countdown clocks I asked vbmtor to install?
Bonaparte> OK - I am going to get back to work too
Bonaparte> thanks again for everything
Jack> Does that make it easier to figure when the next coaching chats are going to be?
Bonaparte> I am enjoying it
Bonaparte> and am seeing progress
Jack> Hey you're quite welcome Bonaparte!
Bonaparte> yes - being a guy I like widgets and gadgets and so on
Jack> Feel free to give me a shout in the ChatBox when you see me logged in to the Forum at times other than those scheduled... AND
Jack> please DO come to the regularly scheduled chats sometimes.
Bonaparte> I'll watch it and see if I can swing by next time
Jack> LOL re: widgets and gadgets.
Bonaparte> it does help imensely to feel identified with others who are on the path
Bonaparte> as Zaneblue noted
Jack> Yeah that would be great to have drop by in the regular chats!
Jack> Please give my very best wishes to Zaneblue if / when you speak with her.
Jack> yeah it does indeed, re: identifying with others.
Bonaparte> sure will
Bonaparte> awright - I';; let you go now. thanks again for all your groundbreaking work
Jack> Compared to the total global population, we are still a group of people with a very rare and exciting skill!
Bonaparte> hasta la vista, baby
Jack> You're quite welcome!
Jack> Ciao Caro!
Bonaparte> doing my part to spread the magic
Bonaparte> and recommending you where I can
Bonaparte> bye
Jack> Hey that's great!
Jack> Sign up as affiliate at:
Jack> https://secureshopping.multiples.com/affiliate/join/JJS
artform> Hey Jack! Sorry to have just missed recently. Thanks for the comment about what is my "signature" on the Aneros site and the Zaneblue site. It is "as we rewire, we are all reconnected" in all its poetic implications. Mog saw it and liked it in an early incarnation at Aneros, and I am now working on his request for a Latin translation. I am happy to share the thought, the words, the meaning!
artform> I have added it manually to some of my posts here and intend to make that a regular habit...
artform> artform as we rewire, we are all reconnected
Session stop: Sat Jul 5 13:23:02 2008