Session start: Sat Jun 21 21:59:21 2008
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20080620
artform> Hi canuck75! How are you doing?
artform> oop! Just say hello and and your name disappears! Are you there?
artform> Just wanted to second the references to two of David Ramsdale's books on Tantra, if you haven't seen them, they are very worthwhile...
artform> ...and the comprehensive survey of techniques in Sexual Energy Ecstasies is very very helpful.
artform> We couldn't believe it when we got to page 304-307 and the section on "Bio-electric Sex"!!!
artform> I have never heard of Dr. Urban or his theory but everything described there is, for us, far more than theory: it is what mrs. a and I do and experience having just intuitively found it ourselves while exploring with Aneros and KSMO!
artform> And the illustration and recommendation for position is the Scissors position which is our favourite and, except for our Wedding Band position, almost exclusive position, due to my physical limitations due to past injuries.
artform> canuck75 and Lopez, this reference is perhaps the best outside explanation I have seen of our electrical jolts, amplified, directed and heightened by using the Key Sound. mrs. a, after reading and getting her own sense of this, has now experienced her own energy generation which I could feel happening and then was wonderfully shared!
artform> Hi levingo. You may be able to trace the earlier posts and chats this is based on using the Google Site Search function here looking for "energy jolts", "electrical jolts" or "energy sharing" or...
artform> Welcome and enjoy!
artform> Unfortunately, I have to leave for a meeting now. Hope to meet you in chat later. All the best.
artform> Hey there again canuck75! Are you truly here now? The info below was/is for you and Lopez; and anyone else interested of course...
Lopez> Thanks for the book recommendation artform, I'll be ordering it soonish :D
Laly> hi skybird
skybyrd> Hi, is there a discussion starting soon?
artform> Hi skybyrd
Laly> yes
Laly> just waiting for MR. Jack to arrive
artform> Hi Laly!
Laly> hi artform n skybird
artform> How are you?
Laly> I am fabulous and yourself?
artform> The SAME, thanks!
artform> skybyrd, would you like to introduce yourself?
Laly> wonderful,, how about you skybyrd
skybyrd> Well, I bought the tape a few years ago and never did anything with it. Recently decided to find out more.
Laly> and how is that going for you? answer only if you wish to --
skybyrd> Haven't done anything with it, that's why Im here today to get more info about the process.
Laly> what do ya say artform-- would you like to help out with this??
artform> Have you explored the potential for multiple orgasms in any other method?
skybyrd> I'v e been reading some tantric info and practising lasting longer but not really multiple orgasms myself so far.
Laly> (HI grandmaster Mog)
Laly> This method isn't about starting out having multiple orgasms skybyrd
artform> Is lasting longer a goal?
artform> Hi mog!
skybyrd> I'd like both
Laly> It , in a sense, is a process ...is which your body slowly
Laly> becomes "re-wired" to having multiples- or in what you jsut described-- lasting longer.
skybyrd> I can sort of sense the reality of that.
artform> Do you have sensations of your inner anatomy, particularly your prostate, at all?
skybyrd> yes, I have practised pressing my perineum to stop ejaculation
artform> Do you sing or really like music?
skybyrd> Honestly, until recently , my sex life was bad, recentyly its gotten a lot better so I can practise more
skybyrd> Yes, love music
artform> Everyone's journey of self-discovery and rewiring the multiple nerve systems that carry our erotic signals and energies...
artform> ...is different but the great thing here is that we can share our personal experiences and see how they connect.
Jack> Hi everyone!
Laly> (hi jack)
artform> Hi Jack
skybyrd> Hi jack
Laly> skybryd was asking for more details on ksmo jack-- so artform and I've been talking a little about it.
Jack> (I'm sorry for the delay in arriving... please continue...)
skybyrd> Since I have the first tape should I get the second tape or study something else first?
Laly> Do you have a copy of the Pdf file for KSMO skybyrd?
skybyrd> No, what is that?
Laly> the 2nd tape-- contains interviews and a 20 minute track of the Key sound skybryd-- i highly recommend it.
artform> Mrs. a and I bought the whole 4 CD Library and have found the whole set very valuable!
Laly> the pdf file- is guideline for KSMO
skybyrd> I am a little confused. Can you do the multiple with a partner? Or is the objective more a self pleasing technique done solo?
Laly> jack can send that to you skybyrd-- the pdf file
skybyrd> I'd appreciate it
Laly> It is preferred to start out solo in learning ksmo
artform> Multiples with partner!!! YES! Multiples solo YES!
Laly> and yes it IS possible to experience multiples with a partner.
skybyrd> You are peaking my interest. Can I send Jack my email for the pdf?
Laly> yes
Laly> email Jack at jack@multiples.com
artform> The great thing about the Key Sound, is becoming able to completely separate orgasm and orgasmic energies from the specific act and muscle sequence or ejaculation!
Laly> (hmm never seen that before :confused: )
skybyrd> Thanks, is there any thought towards a male not losing too much semen?
Laly> and in subject box--list PDF file
artform> Semen retention is an effect of using the Key Sound if you choose: the key is having the ability to choose!
skybyrd> Sounds good
artform> Ultimately, the Key Sound technique can lead to being able to call up orgasmic energy at will, without any fear of an unwanted ejaculation.
Jack> btw, skybird, check your email :)
artform> In addition to being a trigger of orgasmic energies, Key Sound can help to "store" these energies and direct them within and through your body.
skybyrd> It seems I read one doesn't even have to have an erection for this to happen. Not sure I still have the old address, I'll check it. thanks
skybyrd> I did get the email thanks Jack
Jack> You're welcome!
skybyrd> What do you do with the enegires in the body?
Jack> That pdf is your step by step guide to practice.
Jack> Re: energies, you express them through the Key Sound, without forcing though.
skybyrd> OK i'll start today
Jack> That plus allowing any spontaneous sounds that want to happen, happen.
artform> That's right, another benefit. However, Key Sound can also prolong sexual performance that is aimed at an ejaculation ultimately.
Jack> Excellent, re: today! :-)
skybyrd> I get it, not using effort
Jack> Yes, and no longer having to block or prevent ejaculation!
Jack> The secret to that is, to not be concerned about using enough stimulation to maintain erection.
Jack> That was one of the Key breakthroughs of my discovery.
skybyrd> Do you utilize those butt devices to stimulate the prostate
Jack> The secret is that ejaculation and orgasm are two distinct reflexes!
Jack> You can but frankly in the beginning I don't recommend it.
Jack> The reason is that they can be highly stimulative, and put pressure on the prostate that tends to push you towards ejaculation.
Jack> Some people DO start with the Aneros, but it's not necessary, and if if one does decide to use one, there's a way in which it may take more effort of will initially to NOT increase stimulation to ejaculation.
skybyrd> I've had a few experience on LSD when I could have sex for very long times. Wouldnlt do it now but drugs have funny effects.
Jack> That said, the Aneros, at the proper time, CAN be very useful in help get the focus of energy lower in your body.
artform> Yes. I discovered KSMO on the Aneros site and so have mixed the practices. It took awhile to become disciplined enough not to want to finish a session with and ejaculation.
skybyrd> ARe there any herbals that are helpful?
artform> I have found the best use of my aneros is muscle-memory training to develop muscle controls around the prostate/perineum/anus without the aneros in.
artform> Take a look at the book "Orgasmic Diet". Omega 3 fish oils can do wonders to assist.
skybyrd> Yes, I take a lot of fish oil, good for the joints too
artform> I got started on fish oils as a cardiac patient.
skybyrd> How long does it take to be good at this?
Laly> skybyrd- it varies on the individual-- for me only took 5 sessions
Laly> to having multiple orgasms.
artform> Jack, before you arrived I was asking skybyrd about any interest in music, which he has. I was thinking about the resonance dimensions of this and wonder if you would like to pick up on that?
skybyrd> What do you mean by sessions?
Laly> ks practices
Jack> ... that is, the 20-minute practice sessions as described in the pdf I just sent you. :)
artform> It only took me a few sessions as well skybyrd, because of the music and prostate resonating practice, in part!
Jack> That pdf is your step by step guide to practice.
skybyrd> OK, I'll start studying it
Jack> artform, how about you speak a little about the music resonance idea and concept as it relates to KSMO? Then I'll be happy to chime in! ;)
Jack> Yeah skybyrd, follow the pdf instructions closely, and also DO post a sample of your Key Sound articulation to the Key Sound Validation area so I can give you a free evaluation of the accuracy of your articulation. Correct articulation is esential for optimum results!
artform> As a tone-deaf tenor I love to sing when no other human being is within earshot!
artform> Having done manual prostate massage for years, I happened upon the fact that I could make my prostate vibrate...
artform> ...with finding just the right vocal frequency...
artform> ...and that that produced an very pleasant effect!
artform> When I began following the Key Sound protocols, I naturally quickly tuned my Key Sound to the prostate resonance frequency intuitively.
artform> Very quickly I started to experience powerful "Echo Effects" and I was on my way!
artform> I quickly found that my Key Sound also affected mrs. a when we were together. That led to being able to sense and direct erotic energies directly to her body...
skybyrd> So the Key sound vibrates some body areas helping to produce the multiple orgasm?
artform> ...and we have wonderful adventures that continue to open new territories over the last year and a half.
artform> Resonance adds to energy accumulation and triggering, often more indirectly than directly. Initially multiple orgasms can be experience during spontaneous Echo Effects, in my initial experience.
skybyrd> I have to go and want to thank everyone for all the input. I am looking forward to some great experiences. Thanks again.
artform> All the best skybyrd. Look forward to chatting again.
skybyrd> Thanks
Laly> you are very welcome skybyrd.
Laly> very nice comments artform
Jack> Skybird here's the link to the Orgasmic Diet!
Jack> http://tinyurl.com/4uf353
artform> Thanks Laly, I was about to say that my background though is a little unusual.
Jack> skybyrd meanwhile between chats, keep in touch with us through Forum posts, and please DO start your BLOG (click the Blogs link) to JOURNAL your progress, experiences, and questions, oK?
Laly> artform-- i would like to see a "normal" background.
artform> Good point Laly!
Jack> BTW, URL for second CD, the Key Sound Training, is http://www.multiples.com/orgasmorder/ksorder.html
artform> This week I had a fabulous new orgasmic experience, which I will be describing soon in my blog. I was the planet Endor and every Ewok lit a festive campfire and played music for what seemed like hours, but was in my time almost an hour of ecstasy!
Jack> Wow I hope you got the Frequent Flyer miles! :D
Jack> That sounds like a really fantastic experience artform, I sure look forward to seeing you Blog record of it!
artform> Indeed, the memories of this still trigger chi flows!
Jack> artform, would you please give us at least a synopsis for now?
artform> I entered a paragraph and had a second ready. Signal to wait and the first has never appeared!
artform> Could only get this to work by expanding to the Full Page mode...
artform> Mrs. a has just returned and we are leaving soon for a birthday party with her family out of town! Will post to blog soon. Bye for now all, and thanks.
Jack> Bye artform! Best to
Jack> Mrs. A!
Jack> We look forward to your blog posts!
Laly> yes we do :)
Jack> Laly, earlier you said that things are fabulous for you - care to elaborate a bit? :)
Laly> sure Jack
Laly> Although I havent been actively practicing ksmo
Laly> I am finding myself happier and more joyous than I've ever been
Jack> That is REALLY GREAT!!!
Laly> just a mere thought brings a level of joy and ecstacy beyond description.
Jack> Are your feet still touching the ground? :)
Laly> if they are i can't feel them :)
Jack> OMG! :D
Laly> listening to artform talk-- awakened some echos.
Laly> it happens with practices jack- re: loss of feeling in feet- even hands too
Laly> is like the energy seems to "pull in" and center itself in the truck area of my body.
Jack> Feels ok though?
Laly> yeah
Laly> At first it was lil concerning/worrying as no one else reported this
Laly> but as it became regular occurrence in my ks practices
Laly> I accepted this as "normal" for me.
Jack> You might have a little fun with
Jack> the energy, that once you notice it concentrating
Jack> in that way, and you take some time to enjoy it like that,
Jack> explore allowing the energy to flow back into your hands and feet, then perhaps even back again
Jack> to the center of your body... i.e., explore allowing the energy to move to different areas of your body by asking - that is, without forcing - it to.
Laly> okay :).
Jack> Might just be a bit of fun for you to explore.
Jack> Inviting the energy to come out and play. :)
Jack> It is really really wonderful that you now have such easy access to your Divine Birthright of Bliss! :)
Laly> Yeah...and i can alter or change vibrational energy pitch
Laly> thus bringing even higher levels of pleasure waves
Jack> Fantastic Good News! For our dear readers please say more about how you alter or change the vibrational energy pitch... and what you mean by vibrational energy pitch.
Laly> By changing pitch of KS...to not so deep and open mouthed- to point of humming-- still vibrating the vocal cords and
Laly> making the chest rumble
Laly> and by changing KS pitch-- it alters slightly the harmonic energy produced with KS
Laly> point of arousal, if you will.
Jack> You are really learning how to play the celestial instrument that is your erotic self!
Laly> yeah....
Laly> even now there is a low harmonic frequency happening
Jack> Wonder - FULL!
Laly> slight tingles and tremors.
Jack> Once again, Welcome to the At Will Zone!
Laly> Grins...thanks
Jack> You are VERY Welcome!
Jack> Is there anything else you
Jack> would like to discuss now?
Laly> no
Laly> not in chat anyway , but have questions about 'other' thing
Laly> but that can wait
Jack> Ok, np. You can let me know re: other via email, k?
Laly> ok
Jack> Shall we wrap the discussion for now?
Laly> sure
Jack> All right... will talk with you soon then... Have a VERY enjoyable day! :)
Laly> you too jack
Jack> Thanks! Will talk with you soon. bfn!
Laly> bfn
Jack> ***** END of Multiple Orgasm Trigger Training and Discussion Chat for 20080628 GMT hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA NEXT CHAT BEGINS at 7PM Pacific Daylight Time 10PM Eastern Daylight Time Saturday 20080628 which is 0200 GMT/UTC Sunday 20080629
Session stop: Sat Jun 28 19:41:53 2008