Session start: Sun Jun 8 04:55:56 2008
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 2008067
Jack> Welcome, Newest Newbie, AGELESS!
Jack> Jack Johnston here...
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Jack> ***** Welcome to the the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Training and Discussion Chat hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA 20080614
Jack> Welcome Ageless
Jack> I'm glad you could make it!
Jack> Hi levingo!
levingo> Hello, just quick drop-in before rush off to work.
levingo> Seems there is a limit how much can be typed in at a time before posting?
Jack> How much were you trying to post?
levingo> Got a comment but sadly, not time. Maybe this evening if you are on when I get home...
Jack> What time zone are you in by the way?
levingo> Several longish sentences...
Jack> What time do you get home?
levingo> Pacific time/NorCal a bit north of SF
Jack> Are you trying to type them in the chat box here?
levingo> 8 pmish
Jack> OK same time zone as I. In that case, what time do you get home from work?
Jack> Ok. I'll make sure to be here at 8pm so we can chat. How's that?
Jack> :)
levingo> yes in the little box. Disappears out one end as I type full at other end then it won't take any more.
levingo> That would be great! "See" ya then...
Jack> Ok, let's sort that out tonight. How about it? Also just write shorter sentence and press enter. Also, email me your phone number so I can call you tonight and talk you through it. Do you see how long this block of text is?
Jack> You just keep typing, then press enter and the text will appear. See you tonight!
levingo> 'twas getting that long or slightly longer. I can just "enter" as I go...that'll work
Jack> Got it! C U tonight!
Jack> Hi Crusader!
Kutso> Hello
Jack> Hey Kutso, how are you!
Jack> How goes your practice?
Kutso> I'm fine. Practice has been on sleep for a while.
Kutso> Isn't it coaching chat today?
Jack> Yes it is.
Jack> Ageless is here but has probs with chatting cuz he's got AOL so there may be a javascript problem for him. We were able to talk though.
Jack> He's gonna get that straightened out and start his blog and then start coming to the chats.
Kutso> Okay... when is chat?
Jack> I said Hi to Crusader but didn't get a response so he may have a prob too.
Jack> Chat is NOW and YOU are IT! :-)
Jack> I'm here to help you.
Kutso> Hehe... okay!
Kutso> So, a little update for you maybe? Huh Jack?
Jack> YOU have the Talking Stick, Brother! :)
Jack> Yes PLEASE! :D
Kutso> Okay. So, as you know I was getting some kind of results. But they didn't get any better.
Cruzy2000> Hi Jack, I'm Crusader but didn't receive an activation email for the forum 8 hours ago, now registered again with other name and email and it works
Kutso> And I must confess..
Cruzy2000> Couldn't write any message with Crusader
Kutso> I was a bit bored with it for a while
Kutso> Hi Cruzy
Cruzy2000> Hi all
Kutso> So, therefor, practice has been on hold for a while.
Kutso> Thought I should do a session tonight though
Jack> Hey Cruzy2000!
Cruzy2000> Hi Jack
Jack> I hear you Kutso. When you get bored - you should let me know!
Jack> It means you need some kind of help with the practice!
Cruzy2000> I was only trying to see if my account did work already (which it didn't) and stumbled upon this chat :)
Jack> Kutso, I don't believe that you've posted a sample of your Key Sound to the Validation Area, have you?
Jack> That's GREAT Cruzy!
Cruzy2000> I have to admit I'm a newbie and downloaded your work about two weeks ago. All the downloads are a bit confusing with all the different download pages and I'm looking for a good start
Kutso> Yes I have, Jack. We've had a phone session too.
Cruzy2000> Don't know where to start exactly, maybe you can give me some hints ;)
Cruzy2000> At the moment all I have to do is find some time to dedicate myself to your soundtracks. It's a bit hard finding time, but that will come.
Jack> That's OK Cruzy! Let's let Kutso have his say, then we'll help you with your issues ok?
Jack> We call it the Talking Stick Tradition - from the First Nations traditions. One person
Cruzy2000> No prob, is it possible to do that by email? Speaking of time, I don't have that right now, I'm sorry.
Jack> has the Talking Stick at a time (i.e, "has the floor"), so it doesn't get confusing for people who read the transcripts. :)
Jack> Cruzy what time zone are you in?
Jack> (one moment Kutso, I haven't forgotten you!) :)
Cruzy2000> GMT+1 (Netherlands)
Jack> Ok... If you don't have time today, can you come to a chat at this time in two weeks? Can you schedule that time? Meanwhile you can make posts in the Forum (use the Lounge area) with your questions and concerns.
Jack> We have another chat later today but it starts at 0200GMT! You're welcome to attend if you could keep your eyes open!
Jack> Cruzy, also click the Blogs link and start your blog. Then people including I will post replies there too!
Jack> OK?
Cruzy2000> I'll do that, first of all I'm going to listen to your work. Next time I will make time. Thanks so far for the great stuff. 0200 GMT Will be too late for me, two kids will wake me up tomorrow. See you in two weeks then :)
Cruzy2000> Have a nice day and see you later!
Kutso> see ya cruzy
Jack> Ok, you too!
Jack> Post to the Forum in the meantime!
Jack> And you BLOG!
Cruzy2000> Cannot promise to blog, not my kind of thing... yet ;)
Jack> OK Kutso, YOU have the Talking Stick, my friend!
Kutso> ;)
Cruzy2000> cya
Kutso> So, I was bored for not getting further results. And other stuff kind of got in between.
Kutso> So practice has been on hold for a while
Kutso> But I still believe in the method.
Kutso> And I'm not gonna give it up.
Kutso> So, I'm gonna have a session in an hour or so
Jack> Ok. Are you able to come to the chat this evening?
Jack> So you can report after your practice session?
Jack> Meanwhile, it would be helpful if you'd describe what your last practice session was like.
Kutso> I might be able to come later.
Jack> Also, since you've done a phone coaching session with me. That entitles you to another free Key Sound Verification Post in the Validation Area. So I'd like you to do that. That way I can re-evaluate your Key Sound articulation accuracy.
Kutso> Anyway, my last practice session was about 2 weeks ago. I was going to get started again after the hold.
Kutso> And, actually that session was really great.
Jack> Tell me about the last session.
Kutso> I got some great orgasmic feelings.
Kutso> And I felt like I was right on track.
Kutso> So, I don't think that I'm doing anything wrong.
Kutso> I just have to give it time.
Kutso> Let it happen, so to speak.
Jack> That's great to hear!
Jack> Yes indeed.
Jack> It's important to followup with another practice session, at least within 4 or 5 days - especially when you had good results.
Jack> Please describe the orgasmic feelings you had.
Jack> Did they occur during the session? How about AFTER the session? etc.
Jack> And of course, what was it about the feelings that moved you to describe them as orgasmic?
Jack> Hi artform!
Jack> Kutso is talking about a recent practice session that resulted in some nice orgasmic feelings.
artform> Hi Jack and Kutso!
Kutso> Okay. Well, It's kinda hard to describe them. But I felt really aroused. And the orgasmic
Kutso> feelings was like preorgasmic
Kutso> It felt like I was gonna have a GREAT orgasm any second.
Kutso> It didn't come, but I didn't feel dissapointed.
Kutso> I rather felt happy, and energized.
artform> That is a great part of this practice!
Jack> Excellent!
Jack> When you get to that Zone of where you feel really aroused,
Jack> when possible, allow the energy to flow out through your Key Sound!
Jack> You might even LIGHTLY rest a cushion over your mouth if you have
Jack> privacy concerns.
Jack> Also playing some nice music can help mask the sounds.
Jack> Nice music at a somewhat elevated volume. As long as it's not distracting, but rather, enhances the mood.
Jack> Did you notice your Key Sound wanting to become louder as your arousal increased?
artform> Music you can ride higher!
Kutso> Jack, no not really
Jack> Ok, no problem...
Jack> When you notice your arousal increasing though, rather than letting that arousal
Jack> build up as tension in your groin, it's good to EXPRESS it through sound.
Jack> That arousal energy wants to go SOMEwhere! :)
Kutso> Yes. I get that.
Jack> Great! What else happened during your session?
Kutso> Hmmm... not much really.
Jack> What emotions were you aware of?
Kutso> I can't remember being aware of anything other than that it felt good.
Kutso> Anyway, I'm gonna walk the dog now. Relax a bit, and have a session. And then maybe I'll get back to you, if I ain't to tired.
Jack> How about after the session or the next day? What were you aware of, physically and emotionally?
Jack> Sounds good, Kutso!
artform> If I may, I am curious how long the feeling of orgasmic potential energy lasted; and did it alter your sense of anything else in the room with you; light, sounds, temperature, colours... anything?
Jack> GREAT question, artform, thanks!
artform> Thanks Jack. Unfortunately I don't think I will be able to chat this evening.
Jack> artform, I can chat with you now.
Jack> How's it going?
artform> I found that being able to sustain the potential orgasmic state was a very important step, particularly in allowing other whispers and fawns to discover you and your awareness to allow them to develop!
Jack> How did you learn to sustain the potential orgasmic state? Are you referring to the edging method?
Jack> i.e. hovering at the brink of ejaculation? Or?
artform> No, I found edging not all that helpful...
Jack> Yeah, me either.
artform> That was back in the early 90s
artform> in the first explorations with Chia's books and Tao.
Jack> Right... been there, done that... :)
artform> Perhaps the image is like spiderweb...
Jack> That's what motivated me to set about looking for a more natural alternative in 1992.
Jack> Yes, Please continue with your description!
artform> and connecting the energy as "flow" to other parts of the body and "out of the body" to aesthetic sensory links to sunlight, moonlight, music, memories, aromas, the brush of gentle wind, a mighty blast, and the like...
artform> a great linking joy in being alive in/through that energy in the moment.
Jack> Well DONE! YES! I can TOTALLY relate to that!
Jack> It's like making love with All That Is.
artform> It just feels like it MUST continue! Not that you make it do so.
Jack> For you, does this lead to your feeling music, art, nature, etc. more vividly, more intensely?
artform> phone call, back in a few minutes...
Jack> k.
Jack> What a TEASE! :D
artform> I'm BACK!
artform> Sorry about that; business 24/7...
Jack> No worries! :)
Jack> Ball's in your court, I believe. ;)
artform> To answer your question about feeling intensity: yes...
artform> ...and it also recalls the ability of art, music et al to trigger the energies too!
artform> It is like a Moebius loop that appears regardless of your angle (experience) of approach.
Jack> YES!!!
artform> Talk about life enhancement!
Jack> Artform, to me, this experience gave me the visceral understanding and appreciation of what the Early Masters meant when they said: It's ALL ORGASM - we just need to learn to OPEN to it!
artform> That is why I am curious about the timing in Kutso's experience of the orgasmic potential energy.
Jack> Yes... please say a little more about that, if you would.
artform> Absolutely!
artform> re: your statement!
Jack> :) GOT A WITNESS!
artform> Time is a form of energy too, and the storage of arousal as active in time is also an important dimension of what we are all exploring, IMHO.
artform> Time and flow are key to all this for me.
Jack> Would you please elucidate the phrase the storage of arousal as active in time?
artform> Part of our era of radical re-integration of consciousness (post-Cartesian consciousness), and particularly internal time consciousness, changes the circuitry in the brain.
artform> This is a parallel rewiring to that which we are exploring as we contact our internal philosopher's stone and its circuitry potential, either physically (Aneros) or mentally remapping (Key Sound) , if my categories are not too limiting.
Jack> What do you mean by internal time consciousness?
artform> Key Sound of course has a powerful physical connection and effects, but is also to me a remapping exercise in essence,no?
Jack> And for our readers, would you please give an example of Cartesian consciousness and a contrasting example of post-Cartesian consciousness?
Jack> RE: The remapping of essence - I agree! In that our cellular being is fundamentally energy. Although it's useful for our brain to think of us as solid, in terms of physics, at the atomic and sub-atomic levels we are a cloud of energy, in my opinion.
Jack> Since we are fundamentally energy, and sound is energy, then a powerful sound such as is the Key Sound will tend to have a fundamental effect on us at the deepest, most purely energetic level.
artform> I'm a phenomenologist and my imagination was captured by Husserl's "The Phenomenology of Internal Time-Consciouness" in my early university life.
artform> That built upon my childhood experience of many illnesses and much time in bed. That experience produces many dilations and contractions of time as experienced.
Jack> For our readers, how about a statement or three re: Husserl in a nutshell ? :D
Jack> Here is the Wikipedia entry re: Husserl
artform> This potential and meaning of "time as experienced" as compared to mechanical measurement of time, has fascinated me and driven much of my intellectual work for decades: time, imagination, creativity, memory; the fulsome experience of sentient being.
artform> Great idea the Husserl link! Husserl in a statement or three!!! I don't think so at the moment. Maybe next time...
Jack> To me, this is an experience of swimming in time and the World, that is, being very intimately involved with- and connected to the world I am in.
artform> Yoga and other discipline have noticed and built to a degree on the variations in internal time consciousness experiences.
Jack> To me, this has a very strong link to the tradition of the Early Masters who taught that the World (the Cosmos) is ALL Orgasm and that our opportunity is to continue to open ever more TO it and WITHIN it.
artform> Yes, swimming in the flow! How different than punching a clock!
Jack> Nice word choice - punching that clock! LOL.
artform> I connect to ALL Orgasm too...
Jack> I remember an early account of a guy who learned the Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) and upon his first multi-orgasmic awakening,
Jack> he lived in a private place so he went out into his garden and was immediately responding orgasmically to the INTENSE beauty of the flowers blooming in is garden, the orgasmically intense beauty of the blue sky, etc.
Jack> I am quite familiar with these feelings, as I surmise you are as well.
artform> Current neuro-sciences are testing and so far verifying Roger Penrose's quantum mind in the water "peanut" clusters within the neuronal microtubules!
Jack> In lay language for our readers, please explicate if you would, what is meant in this context by quantum mind and how it is being detected in the water peanut clusters of the neurons.
artform> These, along with the glial cell activities and our advancing understanding of the macro-processes in the neurons, are mapping the more complex than imagined nature of our mental life!
Jack> And how do you suppose the orgasmic energy trigger by KSMO affects these processes?
artform> Yes, the garden of our senses drives, or can drive/celebrate, a lot of the orgasmic energies and does for me too.
artform> The current explosion of knowledge and understanding in neuro-science and qualitative testing in parallel shows music to be a particularly direct and important channel between consciousness and all of the body. Harmonies, resonant energies, reflections, mirror neurons, it ALL connects, and the Key Sound seems to be a key resonator/trigger/director.
Jack> Yes... Precisely!
Jack> That is why I began exploring SOUND as a way to UNLOCK (hence: Key) the orgasmic energy which is inherently stored and accessible within our body (i.e. the quantum energy constellation that is I or US).
artform> Water molecules are particularly subject to initiating certain quantum physics effects, including instantaneous actions at a distance.
Jack> By using the Key SOUND... when articulated correctly, we achieve a harmonic resonance with the energies of which we consist.
Jack> That harmonic resonance is manifest as an Orgasmic State. In contrast to a momentary glimpse associated typically with ejaculation.
artform> I'm hummin' right along with you!
Jack> :) I FEEL YA BRO! :D
Jack> This level of resonance is also why our Synchronicity Quotient tends to increase when we attune to these harmonics through the Key Sound practice.
Jack> For example, I was doing a training session yesterday with a Tantra practitioner and teacher who wanted to learn the Multiple Orgasm Trigger.
artform> Not only are our thoughts manifestations of electro-chemical circuitry of the traditionally understood neuron circuits and the micro electro-magnetic fields they induce and interact with...
Jack> As she was beginning to hit the harmonic resonance of correct articulation - i.e. effective articulation of the Key Sound, I was mentioning that it's important not to chase the fawn away but to allow it to come to you.
Jack> At that VERY MOMENT a doe with several fawns came into her yard!
Jack> I did not know this consciously at that moment - however, when I said that it's important to learn not to chase the fawn away, the doe and fawns suddenly bolted back into the woods out of sight!
artform> ...but they include quantum physical effects from within the microtubules that are the linear structural members and transport tracks within each cell...
Jack> QED, eh? :D
artform> Love the fawn, Celebrate the flock!!!
artform> They SHALL return!
Jack> Yes and the entire world we live in is the flock.
Jack> RE: Return... of that I have no doubt... especially as the Tantra practitioner better attunes her Key Sound practice! :)
artform> Indeed!
artform> Our cells can best be imagined as large bags of water sheathed in a double skin of fats that structurally cohere.
Jack> Yes, which ultimately are made of harmonically vibrating energy. Clouds.
artform> However, by personal experience, we know that our skin cells, and meat we carve bounce back as we pinch, squeeze, push them. That is because the cells are not just bags of water containing amazing bio-chemical machines and an entirely separate species that live in our cells (or we are their architecture!), and do all of our energy conversion from food chemistry into energy chemistry.
Jack> Have you ever had water or some other liquid in a glass (especially a crystal glass) and by moistening the lip of the glass with one's finger and gently rubbing around and around the glass (and the liquid in it) will begin to hum?
artform> ...our cells also have internal structural members; microtubule beams, and tensile fibres that link them (Bucky Fuller right again!)...
Jack> Yes it does come as a shock to our ego that without these little guys who are independent autonomous creatures doing the work they do, we would not function!
artform> Water/glass yes: a glass harmonica! Even Mozart wrote for it and we have recordings - a wonderful sound when played well!
Jack> re: the beams and fibres - yes - a LOT of little folks are holding hands for us to be here! :)
artform> All hail our Mitochonria friends and symbiants!!!
artform> Ooops: Mitochondria!
Jack> Here is music of the glass harmonica also known as the glass armonica!
artform> The microtubules are hollow and filled with nano-clusters of water molecules...
Jack> All hail indeed. I have a hunch that the Key Sound Multiple Orgasms we enjoy are their way of saying THANKS to us! :)
artform> ...which Penrose describes as taking a peanut shape. Brings to mind Pan's Amygdala clicking exercise...
Jack> Yes... mentioned by Pan - developed or at least promulgated by Neil Slade.
artform> Penrose sees these constrained water packets engaged in communication and "calculation" through electron entanglement at a distance and other quantum phenomenon...
Jack> Here is Neil Slade's Amygdala Click Chart
artform> ...including of course the creation of a new universe every time each one of us makes an either/or decision...
Jack> So the concept of distance itself teeters on the brink of obsolescence.
artform> yes
artform> and the essence of time as an energy form is closely entwined with orgasmic energies
Jack> Please explicate further...
artform> (didn't mean to attribute Amygdala clicking to Pan, just his use of it. Thanks Jack.
artform> Science puzzles about time, because for much of the classical Newtonian world and at other levels, it isn't necessary! Many of our physics experiments can work in both directions in time. But we don't experience that. We are in an apparently one-way flow of time ( or the tic-toc of quanta!)...
artform> As the saying goes Time exists so that everything doesn't happen at once!
Jack> No prob! Yes actually Slade credits T. Lingo with the concept of clicking the amygdala forward. Slade's site that I just referenced is a WONDERFUL playground! I get VERY STRONG surges just looking at his brain diagram of the location of the amygdala and then generating the intention of clicking it forward. It's literally a neuro-electric surge that zaps through my whole body!
artform> This also ties to the idea that we make the universes/gardens we see by observing them...
Jack> Time exists to give us the ILLUSION that Everything is not happening at once! ;)
artform> Wow! I have only done a cursory look through the site to date...
artform> Time is also then a form of energy the prevents the collapse of the Big Bang, from our perspective at least...
Jack> RE: observing universes... That's why I often enjoy looking at the night sky and the objects in it and consciously projecting amygdalic click energy and KSMO energy out to specific ones... to give them a boost from "down" here!
Jack> I think the expansion and collapse of the Big Bang is our microcosmic view of a small portion of a single heartbeat.
artform> If time is variable state of, and within, our consciousness, that responds in part to other bodily energy states, I feel arousal/orgasmic/chi/life-force energies cohabit directly with time-as-energy; our internal time-consciousness.
artform> Ah! the heartbeat!
artform> Love the energies from and to the night sky cosmos too!
Jack> Yes I think that our KSMO practice is allowing ourselves to calm and quiet enough to tune in to the multiple orgasms that are already happening within us.
Jack> :) re: heartbeat and your relationship with the night sky. :)
Jack> Hey re: time... 4-space beckons... I need to give my Sweetie some time to access the computer for a project she needs to complete.
Jack> Artform, this has been a VERY SWEET JAM!!! THANK YOU!!!
artform> The Key Sound can be time altering and that is part of its "growth" in our experience and abilities and openess...
Jack> I am Clicking Forward to the next time we get to do this! ;)
artform> mrs. a has arrived back and is patiently waiting for me to sign off too!
artform> See you soon! Great gab indeed!
Jack> Yeah I agree about the time-alteration. It's actually quite common. Like when we are in rapport, our sense of time changes. During our conversation today, we really distorted my experience of time - we bent time - because I was surprised when I noticed the clock. Time has flown! :)
Jack> Warm best wishes to Mrs. A, with thanks for her patience... And Very Best Warm Wishes to you as well, artform! Have a great one!
Jack> ttyl!
Jack> ***** END of Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Training and Discussion Chat for GMT Saturday June 14 2008
Jack> Next chat hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA will be at GMT 0200 Sunday June 15 - that is 7PM Pacific Daylight Time, SATURDAY June 14.
Session stop: Sat Jun 14 20:55:10 2008