Session start: Mon Apr 21 08:50:52 2008
Jack> Last day chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20080420
artform> Hi Mog. If you like the idea and have not yet voted in the Poll, maybe you'd like to go to the Aneros Chat Forum and vote for and leave a comment post. Support@Aneros are offering to do a KSMO specific chat on the new Aneros Chat service! Anyone else here who is registered at Aneros might want to do the same.
artform> I meant to highlight KSMO specific chat, that is a chat there focused on KSMO and complementary use of the two practices.
mog> Hi Art! Yes, I spotted that over there. I'll take a look. Interesting blog of yours about the KS becoming incorporated. I feel that too. Although I don't need the KS to trigger off my multiples I find that in my very best sessions (most of them) the KS comes out of me all by itself!
Jack> Warm Welcome, newbies! Remember to start your blog to document your questions and discoveries, and please DO come to the live chats I'll be hosting this weekend... RIGHT HERE!
Jack> Hi skybyrd and Chris2fuh!
Chris2fuh> thanks for the welcome!!!
Jack> You're very welcome! I just posted a reply to your post, btw.
Jack> It's here.
Buster> I am glad that this chat area stays up for a couple of days. I can see that a couple of us might be involved with the KSMO/Aneros chat coming up. I have been finding that combining the two (one after the other) is really making for some great times.
Jack> Hey Buster, that's great to hear! Thanks very much for posting your comments. I hope to see you in one of both of the chats here this Saturday. All the best to you!
Collin> Hi Mog. How are you?
mog> Hi Collin, sorry I missed you. I'm fine. Are you zoned yet?
Jack> Hi skybyrd and tintin! Please let me know if you have any questions or need assistance in finding your way to around. I hope you join us for at least one of the chats tomorrow!
Iris Thaumantus> members
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Training and Discussion Chat hosted personally by Jack Johnston M.A.!
Laly> hiiii
Laly> marty says hi too :)
Jack> Hello Laly and marty! And best wishes to Iris - sorry we missed you 3 hours ago!
Laly> :)
Jack> Hi Buster!
Buster> Hi Jack & Laly
Laly> hi buster
Buster> What is happening today?
Jack> You are! :)
Buster> Hey, how about that?
Jack> ;) BTW, I'm working on migrating the chat countdown clock to the top of the Forum. It'll be a lot easier than figuring out the posts in the Calendar area.
Buster> "chat countdown clock"?
Jack> Who has news or questions?
Jack> Yes, it's a display that used to be available in an earlier version of the main website, before we expanded
Laly> i do-- but if Buster has some- he can go first
Buster> I have been experimenting. Wanna hear about it?
Jack> the Forum. It shows how much time left until the next chat, regardless of your time zone.
Buster> Laly can go first as well.
Jack> Looks like you have the Talking Stick, Buster! Thanks for your graciousness, Laly!
Buster> I have been doing what you would call a "beta test" on a hypno-fantasy type audio program. What I have been doing is starting with the 20 minute KSMO then going to the audio. It is really pretty amazing what kind of results I have gotten.
Jack> Great! What is the audio program?
Buster> It is an Aneros based audio program that is in some final stages of completion.
Jack> Oh very cool! Please email me when it becomes available so we can post a link to it.
Buster> What is cool is how well it works when started with the 20 minute KSMO session.
Jack> Yeah that sounds like really great synergy!
Buster> I have knocked myself to yet another height of my journey. It just keeps getting better.
Buster> I still feel as though I am just scratching the surface of KSMO only sessions. I think it will knock me out.
Jack> I'm all for that kind of experimentation, with KSMO veterans. I just ask and recommend that KSMO newbies do at least some of their practice sessions - just Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol only. Sometimes people misunderstand that.
Buster> I know I misunderstood it. I agree completely that at the beginning it is important to follow the Protocol closely.
Jack> Yeah and to just give that Protocol its own 20 minutes of full attention at least some of the time, to be able to clearly identify the Echo Effects that are a direct result of its use.
Buster> I believe that the upcoming chat session (May 10) over at Aneros that is going to be devoted to KSMO will be interesting. I am hopefully going to be there.
Jack> Sounds to me like you've got it all in proper and productive balance, Buster!
Jack> Yeah, me too! Please send me a reminder, will you, when the time approaches?
Buster> I hope so. I am hoping to get to a MOG level (hello mog)
Laly> :)
Jack> Welcome Mog! Remember that Mog is an anagram for OMG!!!!
Buster> Really! That is really all I have to report. If Laly is ready to go, let her have it.
Jack> Ok, thanks for that checkin Buster! Ms. Laly you have the Talking Stick!
Laly> Thanks
Laly> I had something 'occur' this week that
Laly> never has happened before- that I can recall happening anyway :P
Jack> Positive, I hope ;)
Laly> it deals with those spontaneous echo effects
Laly> (yes , positive)
Laly> which could occur in between practices
Jack> Hey that's GREAT news!
Laly> I woke up at 5:45 am thursday morning
Laly> and couldn't 'figure out why'
Jack> That's a VERY good sign that your KSMO practice has indeed awakened your innate multiorgasmic response system. VERY Cool!
Laly> i couldnt just go back to sleep
Jack> by that I mean the fact that they are now occuring between active practice sessions, of their own accord.
Laly> yes
Laly> so I grabbed a book I was reading and layed down
Laly> as I read - it was then I became aware of the echos
Laly> tingling up and down my spine
Laly> *lightbulb dings
Laly> I said a quiet "oh" then smiled
Jack> Sweet!
Laly> i did a few KSs
Laly> and the feelings intensified
Jack> well done!
Laly> i ended up doing a KS session
Jack> Hey, this stuff actually works! :D
Laly> :D
Laly> I woke up again early friday am-- about 6 am- way before alarm
Jack> What kind of an emotional effect are you experiencing as a result of this kind of awakening?
Jack> With KSMO, who needs a clock alarm, eh?
Laly> well- before this - i had been feeling very depresssed
Laly> out of sorts --
Laly> and now- well am over-joyed, bubbly
Jack> Nice!
Laly> a higher emotional plane
Buster> Nice side effect.
Laly> yes-- i evened cleaned house
Laly> have that much energy :)
Laly> *even -- lol
Jack> Isn't it lovely to know that those feelings are inside of you and are now ready to surface when the times are right? Without any forcing?
Laly> yes
Laly> at the last workshop i attended- i shared with the group
Laly> my being deaf/hearing impaired
Laly> not an easy thing to open up about
Jack> Huge CONGRATULATIONS Laly! You have sure earned this, with all of the work you have done on calmposting the emotional furballs, including all of the literal miles you've travelled to do so!
Jack> ...including this most recent workshop you're describing!
Laly> yeah- thanks
Jack> You are quite Welcome!
Laly> I go next friday for a new hearing test
Laly> and find out what my options are then too
Laly> whether surgery is necessary or new hearing aid
Laly> is needed
Laly> thought of surgery- is terrifying
Laly> but I am keeping positive thoughts
Laly> i have very innate fear of hospitals/drs
Jack> Yeah, that's natural.
Jack> It's really great though that you are indeed exploring what your options are!
Jack> That's a very sweet gift to be giving yourself!
Laly> thanks-- new hearing aid-- i reseached-- is about $2500-3000
Laly> minimum
Jack> (Welcome, Newbie Chris2fuh!!!)
Laly> hi chris!!
Jack> Yeah they're not cheap, but they have the potential of opening up your world even more.
Buster> Hi Chris2fuh
Laly> i am hoping so
Laly> shall i introduce myself to chris3fuh??
Laly> Hi, my name is Laly , female, USA, been practicing KMO for 3 years
Laly> single
Laly> KSMO -- oops lol
Laly> and resident hugger :D
Laly> buster, mog?? anyone else
Laly> *looks around --
Chris2fuh> hey! was just posting my first blog entry
Chris2fuh> hows everyone today
Laly> how are you doing Chris-- seems everyone had gone quiet
Laly> i am great here
Laly> great re: blog- i'll read that later
Chris2fuh> i'm often here at odd times, not used to seeing a bunch of others here!!
Chris2fuh> i'm doing good, laly, nice 2 meet u
Laly> every two weeks Jack hosts a live chat
Laly> you happened upon one of those days :)
Chris2fuh> what timing!
Chris2fuh> i've been meaning to make it to one of those chats ... need to put it in my schedule
Laly> is there anything we here can help with
Chris2fuh> wow ... not really
Chris2fuh> still so new i don't have a lot of questions yet
Jack> Yeah I always post the times of the next two chats at the top of the Forum page.
Laly> http://www.multiples.com/howtolastlo...d/calendar.php
Chris2fuh> wanted to start blogging to add to my commitment
Chris2fuh> hey jack\
Laly> that is link to the calendar Chris
Chris2fuh> still learning my way around the site
Jack> How goes practice so far? I know we can check your blog, but maybe here you could also post a brief summary.
Laly> can set reminders - for chats
Chris2fuh> thanks for the link, i'm bookmarking it
Chris2fuh> quick summary: i'm working the plan
Chris2fuh> feeling cool feelings in the normal breaths between key sounds
Chris2fuh> not much more than that so far
Chris2fuh> feeling like i need to keep working it to see what's going to happen
Chris2fuh> i'm a pretty process-oriented guy
Chris2fuh> so i'm willing to stick with things before they develop
Chris2fuh> that's pretty much it so far
Jack> Coupla suggestions after taking a quick peek at your blog post...
Chris2fuh> cool! thanks
Jack> First is to take a day off between practice sessions. That's part of the default setting of the Protocol practice for newbies.
Chris2fuh> OK
Jack> The reason for that is that you thereby give your response system a chance to awaken further on its own.
Chris2fuh> I can do taht
Chris2fuh> that makes sense
Jack> That helps you avoid, as we say, chasing the fawn - that is, helps you avoid lapsing into trying to force the Echo Effects to happen.
Chris2fuh> like a farmer letting a field lie fallow for a season
Laly> nice analogy- yeah
Jack> Also, I recommend that you at least explore a bit giving yourself the option, say maybe at least once a week
Jack> to go ahead and pleasure yourself to ejaculation just to find out how it might be different, now.
Jack> That also helps you transcend or trance-end that white knuckle denial mode.
Chris2fuh> twist my arm, Jack! :D:D
Jack> This ain't about suffering, pal! :)
Jack> LOL I hear ya!
Chris2fuh> <BIG ass grin>
Jack> Yeah I like that fallow field analogy too.
Chris2fuh> thanks
Jack> I also use the analogy - this is going all the way back to early days of teaching this back in 1993 when I first discovered it - that when you want a flower to grow, you don't just stand there continually pouring water on it, trying to make it hurry up and grow faster.
Chris2fuh> makes sense ... it's gotta be organic and you can't push it along
Jack> You water it a little bit, then let it grow and blossom a bit, then a little more water and sunshine, then let it be and see what happens.
Chris2fuh> and can I be intense about sex stuff? guilty, your honor
Jack> THAT kind of rhythm. :)
Chris2fuh> cool.
Chris2fuh> I know you recommend not going right to orgasm with ejaculation after doing the key sound practice ...
Chris2fuh> how about the other way around?
Chris2fuh> if I ejaculate tonight ... can I do the key sound 1st thing the next morning?
Laly> < is blushing, BUT smiling
Jack> Yeah there's was a woman named Barry Stevens who worked with Fritz Perls (father of Gestalt Therapy) who wrote a very sweet book called Don't Push the River, It Flows By Itself.
Jack> Well re: first thing the next morning... I hear a little of that urgency energy in your question... Nevertheless,
Laly> yes
Jack> I'd say give yourself permission to do that SOMEtimes Just to find out what you might learn.
Chris2fuh> OK
Chris2fuh> reading between the lines, it sounds like I should just BACK OFF on the intensity with which i approach this
Jack> And then likewise give yourself permission to let that flower grow on its own a little more than that at times, as well!
Chris2fuh> gotcha
Jack> Re: Intensity - Ohhhhhhhh yeah... Definitely back off of the intensity and there'll be some nice surprises for you when you LEAST expect them!
Chris2fuh> what i need to accept is my own drive to get this done, and just sit back and watch it instead of always reacting to that energy
Laly> i an attest to THAT
Chris2fuh> great comment, jack ... totally get that about the surprises
Chris2fuh> my own breathwork in general has shown me that, but i still need to be slapped upside the head sometimes
Jack> I recommend you use our Google site search tool - just click the Search link on the Forum navigation bar - and search on the term expecting and you'll find some nice reports of what can happen when you least expect it!
Jack> It's one of the Fundamental Divine Paradoxes of KSMO! :D
Chris2fuh> copying and pasting that comment right now ... want to make sure I save it
Chris2fuh> awesome stuff -- thanks
Chris2fuh> really glad I found you here today
Jack> RE: Laly's comment about attesting to that, just read her report posted earlier in today's chat for a very good example of how delightful new things happen when you give yourself and your innate multiorgasmic response the breathing room to LET them happen. :)
Laly> u can get a full chat transcript of this chat chris
Chris2fuh> i'll do that
Chris2fuh> this so exciting... I really appreciate the feedback!!
Chris2fuh> i just got a real visual mental picture about good things needing the room to happen and grow
Jack> EXCELLENT DUDE!
Chris2fuh> <<big friendly hugs>> to you jack and laly if thats OK
Jack> Way to anchor that concept!
Chris2fuh> cool!
Jack> Thanks for asking, and yes, for me it's definitely Ok!
Jack> Buster might like one, too, but you should ask. :)
Laly> is okay with me- re: hugs
Chris2fuh> yeah, Buster too!!!
Jack> And even GrandMaster MOG - although he doesn't chat all that much - but he DOES make some great posts and blog entries!
Chris2fuh> my family's expecting me ... gotta run ... thanks again!!
Laly> take care
Jack> Ok, have a great day and I look fwd to your continuing Blog posts!
Jack> You're VERY Welcome!
Laly> I should get back to cleaning here
Laly> Chris sounds like he's on a great start
Jack> For reference, Here's a link to Chris2fuh's first blog post
Jack> Yeah it sure does sound that way, Laly! Ok have a lovely day and thanks for your sharing today!
Laly> you are welcome
Laly> hug before i go??
Jack> bfn!
Jack> You bet!
Laly> (HUGSS)
Jack> HUGSS 2u2!
Jack> Ok, is there anything else anyone would like to share or ask?
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Drew> Hey up, Jack!
Jack> Hey Drew! How are you?
Drew> I'm OK thanks, you?
Jack> Doing very well, thanks... What's new?
Drew> I'm not quite sure how to answer that... Another moment?
Jack> Sure, take all the time you need...
Drew> OH, here comes another one...
Drew> I'm referring to each and every moment is brand new.
Jack> :)
Drew> My life sure is a roller-coaster ride at the moment.
Drew> Can only deal with things one moment at a time.
Drew> anything more than that freaks me out!
Jack> Thank goodness, eh?
Jack> RE: One moment at a time...
Drew> I even got in some 'field research' this evening; the first time in ages!
Drew> So long, that I can't remember when my last session was.
Jack> Congratulations! Nice of you to give that to yourself.
Jack> The Pause That Refreshes... ;)
Drew> It was tough at first... I was too uptight and things weren't going anywhere.
Drew> I almost gave up, but persisted a little while longer.
Drew> more energy began to flow.
Drew> It was very nice!
Jack> Good on ya!
Drew> I ended the session at a certain point though...
Drew> My throat was tight (as usual)
Drew> and I got chilly.
Drew> I didn't particularly want to ejaculorgasm and I needed to eat something.
Jack> What feelings were you aware of? Any emotional furballs in the neighborhood?
Drew> Yeah, I suspect so... At a time in my life when 'survival issues' are up, I would say that I held back from full expression.
Jack> Seems like some opportunties are coming up in your practice for healing some emotional challenges. That's the gift that the emotional furballs deliver.
Jack> To feel or not to feel (and heal)... The perennial question at a time like this.
Drew> I hear ya there.... I would say that's true for me in general right now (not that I like to generalize) ;)
Jack> On the near side, it's sometimes hard to recognize those feelings as allies in your personal evolution.
Jack> How's your breathing?
Drew> Oh, I'm supposed to be breathing?
Drew> :eek:
Jack> The answer is definitely in THAT question, eh? :)
Drew> Joking aside... It's way too shallow, tense.
Jack> ...And now?
Drew> I'm talking about NOW!
Jack> ...And... how about now?
Drew> I'm taken a few deeper ones.
Drew> chest is tight
Drew> throat too
Drew> the breathing helps
Jack> good!
Jack> How kind of you to give that gift to yourself!
Drew> That's a good reminder... Fear and anxiety are coming up a lot of late.
Jack> :)
Jack> Yes, and with good reason, of course.
Jack> It's better than denial, dang it!
Drew> Yes, I suppose so.
Drew> Life is calling me to reinvent myself!
Jack> THERE's something to be grateful for!
Drew> I think the jury is still out on that one! :rolleyes:
Jack> It's actually one of the undersung benefits of KSMO practice - the way it brings the emotional furballs to the foreground, giving you the opportunity to begin the trance-end dance.
Jack> I think you know that the jury is on your side.
Drew> My very wise friend sums it up this way... Life doesn't happen to you, it happens FOR you!
Jack> You're claiming the path of a teacher...
Jack> How else do you expect to learn? :)
Drew> Yeah, teaching/healing is my bag, apparently.
Jack> Yes, and it has been for quite a long time, already.
Jack> Hasn't it?
Drew> Agreed... AND, 'life' has upped the ante (IMO)
Jack> Just a wee nudge...
Drew> LOL That's an understatement!
Jack> ;)
Jack> It really IS part of your initiation as a teacher and healer.
Jack> Hi Lopez, welcome!
Drew> I'm intrigued... Can you say more about that?
Jack> I'll be happy to... How about a summary statement for Lopez re: what we're discussing?
Lopez> Just read through it :)
Lopez> another take on "Life doesn't happen to you, it happens FOR you!"
Drew> Good man!
Drew> Hi Lopez!
Lopez> --- Life doesn't happen to you, it happens through you!
Jack> Yeah that's resonates, too!
Drew> Oh, that's AWESOME!
Jack> both FOR and THROUGH you.
Drew> (and brings up fear and sadness for me)
Lopez> :D
Jack> Welcome to your next firewalk, Shaman!
Drew> For me, it has to do with stepping (FULLY) into my power to create.
Drew> Boy, that 'right there' for me!
Jack> Yes that sure resonates.
Jack> What do you need to ask for?
Drew> I'm not sure I follow.
Jack> For yourself.
Jack> To move through these furballs... to calmpost them... to trance-end them?
Drew> I believe those are calls that can only be answered from within.
Drew> Outside support is still welcome and nice though.
Jack> One of the shamanic lessons is learning to call on allies both human and otherwise.
Drew> Oh!
Drew> < is big into TIGERS!
Jack> Great!
Jack> I hope you'll consider resuming your practice sessions just a little more frequently - as they can help you bring up the furballs, and the gentle moving of the energy can help you through,
Jack> along with using the other resources you have e.g., the healing community of which you are a part.
Drew> And I can use all the help I can get.
Drew> That's an idea.
Drew> I haven't had any problem being in touch with my feelings though.
Lopez> I was reading an article about a rugby team who had just lost for the second time in two weeks. The coach was asked why he was smiling:
Lopez> "the alternative is ordinary"
Jack> :)
Jack> What else would you like for this evening, Drew, before we pass the Talking Stick to Lopez?
Drew> I'm good for now, Jack... I'm interested in hearing from Lopez, too!
Jack> Good on ya Drew! At least you can complain about the homework assignment, eh? :)
Lopez> the talking stick is mine.... my precioussss
Jack> Good on ya Drew! At least you can't complain about the homework assignment, eh?
Jack> Drew you get to choose which version of what I typed in those last two lines. :)
Drew> LMAO
Jack> That's right Lo', it's all yours!
Jack> Not ALL the way off, I hope... Drew.
Lopez> hahahah i was just about to say the exact same thing :)
Jack> You will need it from time to time.
Jack> ;) Lo!
Lopez> ok... so about a month back I made a discovery
Lopez> I realised I had misunderstood a key part of the protocol
Lopez> that is: to use the Key Sound in response to any pleasurable sensations that I feel
Jack> Good One!
Lopez> up until then I had used the Key Sound rather mechanically
Jack> re: figuring that out!
Lopez> articulating in rhythm to the 20 minute session that comes with the 2nd seminar
Jack> !The Key Sound is your FRIEND!
Jack> That's really great, Lopez!
Lopez> for a few sessions after the realisation, i chose to respond to pleasurable sensations as they occur
Lopez> i did not want to force key sounds and wanted only to respond to natural build up of arousal
Jack> I really like that you let yourself follow your inner promptings about that.
Lopez> now that i had this part of the process understood.. a furball decided to rear its head
Jack> Ah now you're really making progress!
Lopez> at first it appeared as a thought:
Jack> Clearing out the channels...
Lopez> "I only want to lay down for a session when I feel the arousal (energy) flowing"
Lopez> which was fine.. until the added judgment
Lopez> "but I dont feel the energy flowing that often..."
Jack> You get to have both in your practice if you want...
Lopez> later in the week when I lay down for the session.. a heap of frustration floated to the surface as my mind focused on the lack of arousal that i perceive myself to have
Jack> ...to lie down for a session when you already feel the energy flowing, and sometimes when you don't.
Jack> You get to have both options in your life if you're ok with giving them to yourself.
Jack> I
Jack> M
Jack> H
Jack> O
Jack> :D
Lopez> ?
Lopez> ohh imho backword
Jack> imho.
Lopez> yeah i'm ok with it now ;)
Jack> Dude the whole chat is backwards until it posts to the forum. t. hee...
Lopez> although - i also got to see the subconcious focus on lack
Jack> Welcome to the Land of Ahhhs!
Lopez> which isnt limited to sexual energy.. and i know i'm part of the majority here with this subconscious belief :P
Jack> lack of?
Drew> Re: Backwards chat... It there any way we can change that?
Jack> Sorry about chopping up your statements there, could you pls re-summarize the subconscious belief.
Jack> Drew, when the transcript posts to the Forum, it flows from top to bottom.
Lopez> lack of sexual prowess, lack of money, lack of presense, lack of silence... if only there was a lack of lack
Lopez> the logical resolution: moving myself into an abundance mentality (and away from the encultered scarcity/'lack of' mentality)
Jack> Well I don't see why you can't treat yourself to a little lack of lack from time to time.
Jack> I like that word: abundance...
Jack> A Bun Dance...
Lopez> a bun dance :D
Jack> Yep, right there before our very eyes. Hiding in plain sight.
Drew> Dang! I shouldn't have laughed mine off!
Lopez> with a lack of privacy, and a perceived lack of time, i have fallen behind in my homework
Jack> Lopez and I KNEW you'd miss it before too long!
Lopez> something in the last few days has urged me to resume with vigour
Jack> Oh REFRAME ALERT!!!
Lopez> i also get my privacy back on Monday
Drew> Calling it HOME now!
Jack> SWEET re: regained privacy!
Lopez> KSMO had never left my mind... I'd think about it everyday. I guess I was waiting for something
Jack> (reframe alert was re: "homeWORK")
Jack> Yeah it doesn't have to absolutely be 3 times a week, rain or shine, for the rest of your life!
Jack> You're quite far enough along Lopez, to qualify for When The Spirit Moves You mode.
Lopez> homePLAY :cool:
Jack> Yes... THAT's the Land of Ahhhhhs!
Lopez> Thanks Jack - I feel I got so far into my head that I've flipped the switch and have started that cycle of coming out
Jack> Welcome back to the Groove!
Lopez> deep immersion into thought, identity and ego. i know what i need to do and i understand that now is the time to just let things happen
Jack> That whole process seems very natural and organic to me, Lopez.
Lopez> its amazing how well things happen when you just let it be
Jack> We're just not linear beings... not for very long at a time, anyway.
Jack> RE: it's amazing... yeah, ain't it though!
Lopez> the balance will always assert itself.
Lopez> and one of my favourite personal quotes
Lopez> "success is inevitable"
Jack> :)
Lopez> looking at what i've just said gives me new appreciation for your protocol
Lopez> it handles all the 'doing' to allow the 'being' to shine through
Jack> Whoa I like that!
Lopez> which represents what I believe to be the primary function of the mind/thoughts
Lopez> to figure out the 'doing'.. once you've figured out the 'doing' you just have to allow the 'being' to take care of the rest
Lopez> but... sometimes the ego-mind likes to think it can 'do' being :)
Jack> Yeah, that goofy ol' ego-mind!
Jack> Thinks the steering wheel it's hanging on to is connected to something.
Jack> :D
Lopez> :D
Lopez> yep so thats where my head space is at
Lopez> its amusing how dominant social conditioning can be
Jack> Thanks!
Jack> re: the yep statement
Lopez> for instance, i caught myself thinking "I dont get enough sex"
Jack> What aspect are you referring to?
Lopez> and then pondered..
Lopez> and corrected the thought "I might not be getting enough vaginal intercourse"
Jack> or how about even: I'd like a little more, please... ?
Lopez> highlighting the misperception and the social condition that vaginal intercourse is sex (as opposed to the reality that it is merely a part of sex)
Jack> VERY good point!
Lopez> it gave my power back
Jack> Cool!
Lopez> knowing that i am responsible for my sex life.. and that it is not dependent on whatever intercourse i may be having
Jack> Yeah!
Lopez> discoveries like KSMO give independence
Jack> That's the idea! One of it's primary goals...
Drew> That's a powerful statement!
Jack> So that you approach others not with the feeling of an empty cup,
Lopez> which was cool.. a probably reason for my revitalisation
Lopez> speaking of empty cups :)
Jack> but rather with a cup that's brimming over and that you'd like to share (upon informed mutual consent of course).
Lopez> of course
Jack> You might explore that at least some of the time replacing the not getting enough frame with
Jack> Mmmm... May I have a little more, please?
Lopez> 'feeling good' (i.e. filling that cup with good feeling from within) is central my art to living
Lopez> the reframe i am installing:
Jack> That sounds like a very good plan to me!
Lopez> one of indifference. which becomes far easier with independence
Jack> Although I'm not sure it's entirely indifference... as such.
Lopez> for me: indifference = detachment from the outcome
Jack> Rather more like a kind of self-sufficiency that's based on non-attachment.
Lopez> so yes i can still enjoy a thing, bu can also remain rather detached from whatever the outcome may be
Lopez> sure i agree with that too :D
Jack> Sure, to me, it's ok to have goals, and be open to how they might be reached... sometimes it's in ways that you might never have dreamed of.
Jack> I like to remind myself to be open to being pleasantly surprised.
Lopez> self-sufficiency is highly important to me
Jack> Life often has a way of doing that, when we let it.
Lopez> ohhh - thats a nice re-mind(er)
Jack> Yep makes sense to me. You don't NEED someone or something else to be a complete person...
Jack> AND from time to time, when possible or the time is right, I'd like a little more, please. :)
Lopez> aka external validation
Jack> Yep and also aka a good lay!
Lopez> haha
Jack> :D
Jack> EVEN when that good lay is with yourself!
Jack> EVEN!!!
Lopez> thats what i am playing for
Jack> Right on!
Jack> Well, guys, my energy is starting to wane... Are there any other questions I might answer for you, or other things you'd like to share?
Lopez> i've had my say and enjoyed my time in this chat. thanks again jack
Jack> You're quite welcome! It's great to hear from you again, and in such good spirits!
Drew> I'm ready to turn in too... When is the next chat?
Jack> Likewise Drew, it's been a real pleasure chatting with you as well... I personally think you're doing pretty well in the way you're handling the ReBirth pains and challenges.
Jack> The next hosted chats will be in two weeks.
Drew> Thanks, that means a lot to me... Thanks for your support!
Jack> Of course the ChatBox is open 24/7 for the spontaneous chats any time you see folks logged in.
Jack> You're Very Welcome, Drew - ALL THIRTEEN YEARS WORTH!!! :D
Jack> HOW 'BOUT THAT!!!
Drew> :D
Lopez> :)
Jack> But hey, who's counting?
Jack> :D
Jack> I AM!
Drew> LOL
Jack> It's VERY SPECIAL TO ME, Drew, YOU are very special to me, in that we have shared this whole KSMO journey - from almost the very beginning of when I've started this online teaching.
Jack> That is VERY VERY COOL!!!
Jack> A MAJOR JOY of MY LIFE!
Jack> THANK YOU!!!
Drew> Ti's been (and IS) a wonderful gif to me too!
Jack> I get the picture! ;)
Drew> Now all we have to do is touch the entire world in a similar way! ;)
Jack> Is that all??? Piece a cake!!!
Jack> :D
Jack> We're makin' the ripples!
Jack> Hey by the way, if you want to check out some very cool photos of orgasm,
Lopez> next up, makin' the waves
Drew> Bob's yer uncle!
Jack> check out the NASA Hubble Photo Gallery!
Drew> Those waves will be the second man-made thing visible from space.
Jack> http://hubblesite.org/gallery/
Lopez> it'll get to the point where multiples.com runs global Key Sound hour
Jack> LOL, Drew!
Lopez> much like Earth hour.. and together our resonance will be heard far and wide
Jack> Yes once we emit those sounds, they never stop they just keep going on out there forever. That's the science of it.
Jack> It's all part of the Great Symphony!
Jack> All right guys, have a good one... Til we meet again!
Drew> Strike up the band!
Jack> Thanks for being here tonight and sharing of yourselves in this wonderful intimate way.
Drew> Night all.
Jack> re: band. Yep, the Parade continues!
Jack> Sweet Dreams - including Day Dreams, Lo!
Lopez> night Drew. I'm off too - night!
Lopez> night Jack
Jack> ****** END of Multiple Orgasm Trigger Training and Discussion Chat hosted by Jack Johnston MA
Jack> This ChatBox remains open 24/7 for viewing and study by the adult public and posting by registered (adults only) users.
Jack> The Circle is Open, Yet Unbroken...
Session stop: Sun Apr 27 04:44:50 2008