Session start: Sat Apr 12 09:31:41 2008
Jack> Last day chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20081111
Jack> Hello... I will be available here in the ChatBox to answer questions and help you improve your skill - starting in approximately 15 minutes from this post. - Best regards, Jack
Jack> Hey artform, how are you?!
artform> Hi Jack, well but still far too busy with other things!!
Jack> Well I understand, believe me!
Jack> But SPRING is in the air!
artform> I was just responding to Laly who is seeing if I would follow-up on your suggestion that she and I work together on the Glossary.
Jack> Yes, what are your thoughts? It's not something that requires hours per week - just to establish a process that can be added to whenever the spirit moves you.
artform> Ah! Supa-aringa! as Jerry Colonna used to intone.
Jack> yayuh!
artform> Very happy to work with Laly!
Jack> Now you are showing our ages when you mentioned Jerry and I know whom you're talking about, LOL!
Jack> That's great artform!
Jack> I think the thread in the Forum can serve as the INbox for everyone to post suggestions and ideas and then you and Laly, if you will and as you will, can give them more structured form in the wiki.
Jack> [btw, sorry my name isn't showing up in the ChatBox list - after vbmtor applied a recent upgrade of the software, the Option choice went away. He's still working on restoring it!]
artform> Has the Glossary been added to the Wiki?
artform> Haven't been to the Wiki myself for too long.
Jack> One sec, let me verify.
Jack> I don't know if Laly has created that page yet.
Jack> The OPTIONS link has disappeared as I said from the second navbar in the forum, and the link to the wiki was in there!
artform> I have not been able to be around here on site and haven't followed all the changes - will catch up soon I hope.
Jack> http://www.multiples.com/orgasmwiki/
artform> I had another wonderful breakthrough this morning.
Jack> Nope, looks like she hasn't created the page yet.
Jack> Wow that's GREAT! Let's hear about it please!
Jack> [Meanwhile I'll make sure you have access rights to editing the wiki]
artform> Using an external prostate massage technique of deep massage at the sides of the lower abdomen adjoining the inner thighs produced a powerful "after effects" like the echo effects: spreading to full body and intense head energies that, when I wound them around the pineal gland amplified amazingly.
artform> Perhaps approaching a mid-level Crown Centre Orgasm...
artform> I was using the Key Sound and during the experience, it was intuitively and automatically made lower than usual.
Jack> [lol I was just typing a ? about if you were using the KS to amplify the arousal ^^]
Jack> Yeah that makes sense about it's naturally becoming lower, as you relaxed and allowed the energy gates to open.
artform> BTW, I do want to get set up here to make an .mp3 and have you critique my sound.
Jack> Definitely!
Jack> Do you know how to make an .mp3 recording?
artform> I'm on a Mac with iTunes etc. and just need to find my mike and follow the instructions here, I think.
Jack> Excellent! I look forward to your post!
artform> Another aside; I happened across a site with a detailed presentation of the Kudalini Serpent.
Jack> Cool I hope you'll post the link!
Jack> That will be a nice addition to our Glossary!
Jack> I just emailed you your wiki access.
Jack> BTW, you can get to the orgasmwiki just by using
Jack> www.orgasmwiki.com
Jack> What are the characteristics of the definition there that most resonated for you?
artform> Just went to my bookmarks, but I have either not successfully marked it or misplaced it. Will try again to find it.
Jack> Did you find it using Google or ??
artform> Thanks for the Wiki editing access and link. I am adding to my KSMO bookmarks.
Jack> Cool!
artform> I was looking for something else and it arrived as part of something that someone else had posted on the other topic.
Jack> Yes every registered user has the right to get editing and posting rights access to the OrgasmWiki - they just need to ask.
Jack> That's because it's the nature of the wiki software that the only way you can restrict from total public access is for the wiki admin to do manual registrations. A real hassle but I don't want to have to police the area by leaving it wide open to posts from non-registered users.
Jack> re: how the link arrived re: serpent. Oh man, that may take a little research, lol!
Jack> What do you remember about what you read?
artform> Part of the appeal was that while it was feminine, it also framed it in a way that seemed to speak of "Common Ground" or the common origins of our genital/sexual/erotic tissues and responses.
Jack> I would say rather than feminine, to use the term YIN.
Jack> That way it is not gender specific, and the concepts and energies become readily available to all.
artform> Good
Jack> Less resistance in the Western Mind, ;)
artform> I got mrs. artform a Slightest Touch for Valentine's Day. It seems to work well for her.
Jack> My discovery of the Key Sound and development / discovery of the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol was by following the YIN path.
Jack> Good!
Jack> Nice gift! Keeps on Giving, eh?
artform> I have tried it once using the Aneros guide to using it with an aneros. Thought I was frying my circuits!
artform> I felt uncomfortably 'energy bloated" for the next 18 hours! Quite uncomfortable.
artform> Probably because I tried all the options on the first session.
Jack> There's a clue, for sure! ;)
artform> for mrs. a and her benefits benefiting me; YES, it keeps on giving!
artform> I remain amazed at this revival of the chi energies and flows and availability to me that aneros and KSMO have re-opened.
Jack> That's wonderful news, artform!
Jack> I am very happy to hear that the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol aka KSMO has played a meaningful role.
artform> I seem richly alive in the abdomen almost all the time and can move and amplify this at will with the KS as a key integral part of it.
Jack> Yeah that's definitely Adept status!
Jack> Congratulations!
Jack> Talk about fire in the belly, eh?
artform> Still a rank amateur: tried moving some unwanted chest energies into my abdomen but did not get low enough and ended up with a bout of colitis briefly!
Jack> Yikes!
Jack> What was your thinking re trying to move the unwanted energies into the abdomen?
artform> Many of my health problems other than the injuries seem to be or at least involve "stray energy" of unconsciously tensed "nervous energies", which I can now take control of and reposition.
Jack> A possible alternative approach may be rather than moving them elsewhere in your body, to instead
Jack> use the Key Sound to gently direct healing and relaxing energy into the zone where they are naturally occurring.
artform> I know from Chi Gong about accumulating chi and storing it in the lower abdomen. I seem to be able to do this easily. I was trying to store the chest energy for later transformation...
Jack> While holding the intention of that gentle life force composting them aka calmposting them.
artform> Wow, that is a great model!
Jack> I've used the method I just described with good success. It may be of benefit to you. I'm intuitively
artform> In the past, these energies have seemed a damaging plague.
Jack> uncomfortable with the idea of moving that kind of energy to other areas of the body to store it. Intuitively, that seems risky to me.
artform> These "stray energies", that is...
Jack> I resonate more to the frame of composting it in place.
artform> Risky it was when the colitis erupted!
artform> The chest location is problematic because of the nature of my heart condition, however I can imagine that ta way can be found to do that.
Jack> That's why I mentioned GENTLE... the goal is not to pump up arousal, but to use GENTLE forms of the life force energy to dissolve, transmute, transform, compost the negative energies... to accompany the gentle use of the Key Sound with
Jack> images of calm water e.g. a pleasant, calm lake, etc.
Jack> Proceed with caution of course!!!
artform> Curious about your thoughts on the Tao denial/control of desire and the Tantra openness/follow desire dichotomy?
Jack> Well again to me the denial model seems to be yang... like the brinkmanship of the squeeze technique to prevent ejaculation, rather
Jack> than the YIN approach of UNDERSTANDING that ejaculation and orgasm are two DISTINCTLY SEPARATE reflexes that can be accessed or energized separately without the necessity
Jack> of YANG strategies such as muscle tensing etc.
Jack> That to me is one of the most clearly distinguishing characteristics of the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol and virtually all of the other methods offered for men.
Jack> The closest alternative method for men is the approach taught via the Aneros community, and that is why there is such a natural affinity and mutual support! :)
Jack> imho, naturally. ;)
artform> Hi again! I got logged out somehow!
Jack> Check the Remember Me box when you log in and that may help you stay logged in. It's a bug I think in the vBulletin software.
Jack> Or you may have accidentally typed a control character that bumped you out.
artform> I agree with your response YIN YANG.
artform> Will check the box from now on
Jack> By all means take a moment to catch up on what I wrote in response to your comments.
Jack> Are you saying that my response somehow resonates for you?
artform> I was thinking more from the energies and energy acceptance/opening/(I hate to say this)management. Yes your response really resonates for me.
Jack> That is a very good example of using the YIN as a guide! :)
Jack> Rather than logic or management... you notice a subtle resonance, a ring of truth as some say.
artform> Do you know Nigel Spivey's "How Art Made the World" book and BBC/PBS series?
Jack> That to me is a very good example of using the YIN path as a guide.
Jack> Jeez I've heard of that but haven't had a chance to see it.
Jack> My wife, being a professional artist, would undoubtedly also enjoy it!
artform> I have a large corpus callosum and keep mingling both sides!
Jack> That's excellent!
artform> I think she would and you too. It reframes the theories about cave painting and the emergence of imagery and image-making in human culture.
Jack> It is a real joy and very powerful to trance end the dichotomization of either/or thinking patterns! :)
Jack> Oh it sounds like he is playing off of research and an unfortunately out of print yet lovely book by Andreas Lommel called Shamanism - The Beginnings of Art
artform> Rather than a hunting or pre-hunt ritual, it comes from bringing inner imagery and the union of the spirit world and the natural world - something that ties art much more closely to eros and that Stendhal Effect etc - closer to my intuitive sense of the underlying structure of being...
Jack> It was given to me by a wonderfUL teacher in grad school back in the mid-70's, the late Andy Curry MSW.
Jack> YES and that is the ESSENCE of shamanic practice!
Jack> Lommel interviewed shamans from all over the world and found strikingly similar themes in their awakening and evolution.
Jack> He also makes a clear contrast between the role of the shaman (regardless of gender) and the medicine man or medicine woman.
Jack> Here's a good Google string for getting references to Lommel's work:
Jack> Shamanism the Beginnings of Art andreas Lommel
Jack> http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=...e+Search&meta=http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=...e+Search&meta=
artform> A terrific resource! Thanks! Spivey goes on to directly link the end of cave painting to the earliest development of the stone megalith circles at Giblekli Tepe in Turkey, and the earliest development of agriculture and larger settlements there.
Jack> BTW I see there is a copy of it available on Amazon for $118.96 - It truly is a collector's item! :)
Jack> Thanks very much for that Spivey reference it does indeed seem to fit right in!
artform> This ties in with the wonderful "Hamlet's Mill" by Santillana and von Dechend.
Jack> Please say more about that reference as well!
artform> This is the beginning of recognizing and projecting outward our inner life and imagery through the astounding flip to seeing it as linked/the same as/originating or as projection/reception from the cosmos.
artform> Hamlet's Mill is subtitled "An Essay Investigating the Origins of Human Knowledge and its Transmission through Myth"
Jack> Back in the 70's while at grad school, I actually developed an adaptation of a dreamwork synthesis of shamanic practice and Ericksonian linguistic forms originally created by Dr. Eric Greenleaf and it's a direct personal practice of this kind of manifestation.
Jack> I used to travel about the US and Canada teaching the method. :)
artform> The book explores myth as "a preliterate form of science - the synapse through which culture, particularly the science of astronomy, was transmitted".
Jack> Cool!!!
Jack> WELCOME ZOOYORK!!!
artform> Hi ZooYork!
Jack> I hope you'll consider checking in with us realtime here in the chat when you're finished reading the current post you're looking at.
artform> Just added your Lommel search link to my Books bookmarks. Thanks again.
Jack> You're quite welcome!
Jack> Is there anything else you'd like to share or discuss today?
artform> With all the work currently on neuroplasticity and cultural theory, I think that KSMO and aneros, particularly, and even the rise in heterosexual males pursuing strap-on with partners is part of a radical reintegration of thought and being from the Cartesian sliced and diced mentality and world-view. Or perhaps just my energetic over-reach!
Jack> I don't think it's overreach...
artform> Have you positioned KSMO in the larger scientific work on the electric body and bioenergetics?
Jack> I think it's a very positive impulse by the species to transcend the rigid aggressive yang that is destroying life as we know it on the planet. I think it is Mother Earth impulsing through some of us to try to restore a more balanced yang and yin before we as a species trigger another mass extinction - if it's not already too late.
Jack> What do you mean by positioned?
artform> I'm thinking, in part, of work such as Robert Becker and Gary Selden in "The Body Electric", for example. I think we chatted about this a while ago re: Singing the Body Electric and you mentioned to spa/gym called Body Electric...
artform> There is still considerable controversy about "energies" and the neural and electrical functions.
Jack> Yes I hear that for sure. Just as there is controversy about defining any experience by men as orgasm that does not include ejaculation.
artform> Couldn't agree more re: Mother Earth and our threat/fact of induced mass extinction now.
artform> NOT FOR WE WHO EXPERIENCE THEM!!!
artform> Non-ejaculatory Orgasms that is!!!
Jack> RE: controversy... If people want to fight about it, that's their choice I guess, about how to structure their time and energies (seems like a Yang distortion but I suppose I could get into arguments about that - lol). I'd rather just assume as a working hypothesis that there IS power for people across the spectrum of gender in tapping more into the power of the YIN in a culture where so much of what is going on seems extremely exaggerated emphasis of the yang.
artform> Yes.
Jack> Yes I agree whole heartedly re: for those of us who experience them! :) And for those of us who dared to explore and to address and heal the emotional furballs that have come up on that Adventure.
Jack> There is a way in which much of our culture is running away from the OPPORTUNITY of healing the emotional furballs and into a trap of exagerrated yang - I think this is a very big part of our current troubles in the world. Not that it's anything new.
Jack> We as a species have rather arrogantly named ourselves Homo Sapiens sapiens, whereas I think that for many, a more apt descriptor is Homo Ignoramus bellicosus!
artform> So far, the Adventure has positively re-opened a part of my life and sexuality that was just by circumstance "mostly retired..." and has happily reawakened along with mrs. artform's new interests... I feel very lucky.
artform> Homo Ignoramus bellicosus - too true, sadly.
Jack> BTW, check out a delightful book called Our Inner Ape by Frans de Waal
Jack> The cover photo is great! It shows a guy in a business suit sitting on a park bench read the Wall Street Journal and eating a banana! LOL
Jack> de Waal is one of the most expert researchers on our two nearest genetic relatives:
Jack> The highly yang and quite bellicose Pan troglogytes - the knuckle walking and bellicose common chimpanzee, and Pan paniscus, the Matriarchal sensuous upright walking Bonobos.
artform> Hi again again! Back after being logged out and this time I checked the Remember Me box!
Jack> it is interesting how our own species seems to contain noticeable characteristics of both, to varying degrees among individuals.
Jack> Yeah Remember to check Remember Me, LOL!
Jack> de Waal has also published about the Bonobo in Scientific American and elsewhere.
Jack> It's quite ironic that de Waal lives in Stone Mountain Georgia which is a traditional home of the Ku Klux Klan! Life sure has its contrasts!
artform> I know of him and have long talked with others about our two closest cousins, what we can learn by comparing their two approaches. I've always sided with the Bonobos, cultivated my inner Bonobo.
artform> Perhaps they are our cousins YIN and YANG.
Jack> All right! Got a Witness! ;)
Jack> Yes that's a very good point re: our Yang and Yin cousins!
Jack> It is also noteworthy that the Bonobo are nearly extinct.
Jack> Some would say that proves that nature favors the knuckle dragger.
Jack> I'm not sure that's entirely logical though... but then, I'm a romantic.
artform> Oops! You know what they say about a good conversation and introducing sex, religion or politics!
Jack> Well we gotta be careful about that... Because I like to keep a big tent open here and not cast aspersions on particular political parties or the like. Some of our more heartful adepts tend to be of that persuasion, historically.
artform> Feel free to delete!
Jack> I want to give you a chance to rephrase that sentence without the polemic and yes, I was about to let you know that's what I was going to do. Thanks for your understanding!
artform> We do well here talking about sex and some spirituality without problems.
Jack> Yes indeed and if we have a chance of healing the planet, we've got to keep the channels of communication open and even as polarized as things become, to find what we still have in common. That's true even within families.
artform> Agree very much.
artform> In politics, I have been known to be on occasion a bellicose chimp for my political position too!
Jack> Yes I can relate. You'll enjoy de Waal's description of chimps doing a spectacular bluff display lol!
Jack> Perhaps the extreme yang rampant in the world is about to uh... peter out. ;)
Jack> One way or the other the pendulum will swing back toward the yin.
artform> Hope springs particularly once again, even as it does eternally.
Jack> As the polar ice melts, scientists have been finding VIABLE organisms that have been in the polar ice deep freeze for over 30,000 years - and they are still viable!
artform> Jack, thanks so much for this chat. Duty calls elsewhere now. Hope we can pick this up again soon.
Jack> Then there are those little guys and gals that hang out around the volcanic vents in the deepest trenches of the ocean. Gaea has a deep bench as they say in sports. ;)
artform> Life and the life force and its inventiveness and persistence are astounding and a great joy.
Jack> Yes I'm sure we shall. I've enjoyed it immensely!
Jack> Please let me know if you're able to work in the wiki now that I've given you the rights of access.
artform> Bye for now and all the best!
Jack> And thanks for your many heartful contributions to this community!
Jack> All the very best to you and Mrs. A!
artform> Will visit the Wiki and do as much as possible. Thanks for that too!
Jack> And thank YOU! Cheers!!!
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Jack> Good Evening, MacAdepts, from my MBP! ;)
Drew> FINALLY!
Laly> hi
Drew> :rolleyes:
Jack> Yeah!
Jack> I'm experiencing separation anxiety though because I have to run Parallels with my old MicroS**t apps until I get completely weaned. May take a while.
Drew> Hang in there!
Jack> ******** Begin Multiple Orgasm Trigger Discussion and Training Chat of 20080413GMT
Laly> yeah
Jack> Yep I's hangin' - knowing that I have such great support with the likes of you!
Jack> How are you both doing? Isn't this a workshop weekend?
Drew> ;)
Laly> last weekend
Jack> Right!
Jack> Glad you could make it this evening!
Laly> me too
Jack> What would like to discuss?
Drew> Is this thing on?
Jack> Recent newbies seem to be somewhat chary of asking for help.
Drew> Oh, there it goes.
Jack> Yep it's on, as far as I know.
Jack> Response is a little slower if more than one person posts within a few seconds of the other.
Laly> chary?
Laly> how can we help them- to find their way -- re: newbies
Jack> Cautious, wary, shy... from the Wiktionary. :)
Laly> ahh- thanks
Jack> I want to make the Forum easier to use, and perhaps add some video help about how to find your way around the Forum features.
Laly> ok---sounds great
Jack> I'll also be posting more replies to previous posts. Been dealing with some very time consuming personal matters but after a little rest I plan to get more chatty again.
Drew> That's an interesting thing... It's hard for me to understand the apparent lack of curiosity
Jack> yeah, me too. Just may be self-consciousness. Also the forum itself is pretty vast so it may be a little intimidating.
Jack> What video tools work best across platforms for displaying short training videos?
Jack> Shockwave Flash or ???
Jack> I don't want to use anything that requires people to install special software just to view the video on how to use the Forum!
Jack> It needs to be a format that will be accessible by default, across Safari, IE, and Firefox.
Laly> media player?? quicktime
Jack> BTW, you two might want to take a few to read the discussion artform and I had in the previous chat this weekend... We were talking some about how this method of awakening the muiltiorgasmic response is an example of the power of the Yin.
Laly> some shockwave platforms , do have to download something
Laly> a plug-in
Jack> Thanks Laly, I'll do some research on them and testing.
Jack> Yeah ok, no shockwave then. Many of the folks who visit here seem to be
Laly> i have it printed off- will read tomorrow-- on hour 17 of being awake Jack
Jack> less technically inclined. They just want the information, not all of the technology hurdles. I totally support that.
Jack> I usually don't bother with videos that require that I have to stop and go out somewhere else and register etc etc. and load a plug-in.
Drew> I like 'quicktime' (especially the h.264 codec), although "Flash" (.flv) seem to be very popular, courtesy of YouTube.
Jack> After nearly 30 years of web in existence my bias is that they should have that all worked out. That's why I like Steve Krug's book: Don't Make Me Think. It's a great treatise on making websites transparently and intuitively usable. Our Forum has a little ways to go, although it's far better than the default design of vBulletin.
Jack> Words are nice for indexing by search engines, but they're a Cool medium in McLuhan terms. Video is HOT! High bandwidth... Lots of information per second.
Jack> That's why YouTube and similar are so popular.
Laly> uh huh
Laly> but what about anonimity (sp?)
Laly> re: video
Jack> I'd like to use it for lecture type stuff - no titillating video, just information - more of a person's personality comes through. Doesn't need to be for users, just for me, as I do definitely want to help people to preserve whatever degree of anonymity that any use of the web these days permits.
Jack> Yeah, I was just typing about that, Laly!
Jack> My sentiments exactly.
Jack> Just videos to teach forum usage and maybe me doing some instruction that way. Again, no nudity or anything, just teaching.
Laly> like how to set up a blog, start a thread
Jack> TechSmith has a software program (only runs on Windows though, but might work on Mac using Parallels) that is ALMOST cool. It's called Morae.
Drew> Yeah, it's the way things are evolving... It's a pity about the 'infrastructure'
Drew> What does Morae do?
Jack> It allows a website owner to get volunteers to visit the site, e.g. for the first time, or at least as a newbie, and with their permission, Morae can be used to observe how they try to use the software,
Jack> where they get stuck, what they tried instead, how that worked or didn't, what they expected to find but didn't get, etc.
Drew> I see
Jack> It's pretty exciting. Their latest version of the software is ALMOST cool but they need to do one more round of robust improvements to make it very easily usable by the researcher. This would ONLY be with prior agreement from a site visitor by the way.
Jack> For the record I am NOT into gathering data like that without a visitor's knowledge and consent.
Laly> If you recall Jack-- you and I tried that awhile back
Laly> but software wasn't Mac-compatible at the time
Jack> There's a lot of the basic information about the Multiple Orgasm Trigger practice that is still buried in the Forum rather than right up front where people can get it right away, and then little by little get deeper into the info.
Jack> That's my next goal for the site.
Jack> Yeah don't know why the SuperCoolMackers haven't come up with anything comparable or even better than Morae.
Drew> Kewl.
Jack> Too busy playing with GarageBand I guess.
Jack> LOL.
Laly> *chuckling
Jack> I don't find the Mac software to be intuitively usable. Not in Leopard. Usability for a newbie I'd rate a D.
Drew> Yepper!
Jack> Common tasks really need to be hunted for and there's not nearly enough redundancy of paths to any given task. It's like
Laly> i agree
Jack> you gotta know the secret handshake or ask a "Genius". Fugitaboudit!
Jack> I think re: Leopard it could be cuz they were rushing it to market. But I sure hope they get serious now about making it actually USABLE INTUITIVELY since that's my Cognitive Style.
Jack> Holographic - Intuitive.
Jack> There's a lot of times I do the two-finger tap for a menu to get a function related to where I am and it hasn't been provided. Instead you have to open some other app or whatever. That bites.
Jack> Anyway, I still like it but I hope they get busy tuning it up so people can really use it without all of this friction.
Jack> Meanwhile, I feel a strong need to do that for the Forum as well.
Jack> It's an ongoing challenge!
Drew> <<< Hasn't graduated to Leopard or two-finger tapping yet.
Jack> If Techsmith will get on the stick and make the necessary usability improvements to Morae, I'm willing to invest in it to get that kind of research going - again - only with informed consent of a user. Never, ever, without informed consent.
Jack> Drew... you'll like the little tap tricks when you get there. It's convenient.
Jack> My only challenge with them is to remember that they're available!
Jack> Oh one thing I want to bring back and put at the top of the Forum is the Chat Countdown Clock!
Jack> That way people don't have to do all of this crazy math re: GMT, Daylight Savings Time (or Not!), Time Zones, and the like.
Drew> Yeah, that's a good idea.
Jack> That'll probably be one of my first projects!
Laly> mine is the OrgasmWiki site
Jack> In fact, you're my witness. That IS my first priority! To get that Countdown Clock going.
Drew> Mine is figure out what the next step in my life is! :eek:
Jack> Yeah Laly, thanks. Did you get artform's contact info? I need to get the OrgasmWiki link back up on the horizontal navbar too!
Laly> no
Jack> Thanks for being willing to build that Glossary! The Glossary area of the Forum can be the INbox for the Glossary that you and artform build in the wiki.
Jack> hmm I thot I sent it to you by email.
Jack> Oh I guess I just sent yours to him.
Jack> He may be busy tonight but you should be hearing from him soon.
Jack> I forgot to ask his permission to provide his to you. Sorry 'bout that. :)
Laly> ok
Jack> :rolleyes:
Laly> you ve got alot on your mind jack :)
Jack> Yeah, kinda do. :D
Jack> Pretty much always thinking about how to make this experience better and more easily accessible for people.
Laly> asdo I
Laly> as do
Laly> as much as it pains me to leave
Laly> it has been a LONG day
Jack> I hear ya. I feel the same way!
Jack> Thanks for being here!
Laly> i bid you both a very blessed night
Laly> a pleasure, as always
Jack> Hey Drew, how about sending me a short note bringin' me up to date on how things are going with your new project?
Jack> ni' nite Laly!
Drew> Goodnight
Laly> nite Jack n Drew -- hugsss
Drew> Lots going on here, Jack.
Jack> And to you, Laly!
Jack> Mostly good, I hope, Drew!
Drew> My main task seems to be keeping a positive vibration
Jack> Yeah it's good to make that the Prime Directive. :)
Drew> and getting back to that anytime I get off track.
Drew> Absolutely!
Jack> While at the same time letting yourself feel the feelings when they come. That is, give yourself an OMG break once in a while... a free brief session of the Holy Sh*ts! :)
Drew> They come without any help from me! :eek:
Jack> Very Ericksonian, as you know! ;)
Jack> Yes of course they do, that's why it's important to give yourself permission to indulge in them from time to time.
Drew> Things worsen if I get into a bout of 'awfulizing'
Jack> imho, of course. :)
Jack> Well as a fellow Ericksonian colleague of mine says... you can "have a bit of fun" with it. Like schedule the OMG sessions for a specific time each day, or every N days. Watch out! You might miss the occasional appointment! ;) ;)
Drew> LOL
Jack> Erickson was very big on giving people lots of permission to not be "perfect" (to borrow a concept from Eric Berne). That is, to give yourself plenty of opportunity for a little OMG session just to remind yourself how far you've come!
Jack> It's one of my favorite lessons from him.
Drew> Cool!
Jack> yeah! You DO still get to be human, even in the throes of all of this personal growth! :D
Drew> DAMMIT!
Jack> Yep, as a colleague of mine used to say "Oh sh*t! Thank God!"
Jack> That really summed it up for me.
Drew> Yeah, that's kinda appropriate.
Jack> Yeah I think he was spot on, as they say. :)
Drew> I haven't done any practice in the field for ages... I'm not sure why.
Drew> I do think the mid-west winter has had somthing to do with it.
Jack> Regardless of why, it's good to real eyes it.
Jack> Yeah no doubt re: the weather.
Jack> Thank God for the weather eh? We can always blame it on the weather! ;)
Jack> LOL.
Drew> LOL
Jack> But of course, there's more than a grain of truth in that too.
Drew> Yep
Drew> On another note... Are you using speech recognition on your MBP?
Jack> That's what I really really love about Erickson's spirit - always the Trickster Shaman. Always a twinkle in the eye... Lots of permission that even when there's serious emotional pain involved, by a shift of perspective, we can sometimes access the Buddha Laughter.
Jack> No I haven't learned how to do the speech recognition yet. Is there software included, or is that an add-on?
Drew> Oh yeah, I'm in touch with that energy!
Jack> I was using Dragon on the PC and have a huge speech file built up that I'd somehow love to port over to the Mac. What can you tell me about speech recognition on the Mac?
Jack> RE: In touch with that energy, yeah I know you are, you Rascal!
Jack> Remember to use it on yourself once in a while! ;)
Drew> That would be third-party... I'm not sure why Apple has not developed that more... Keyboards are still such a bottleneck for so many people.
Jack> There IS now a Dragon version for the Mac, but it's Dragon Preferred (aka Dragon LITE) rather than Dragon PRO. I'm gonna check with Nuance (Dragon makers)
Drew> Macspeech.com Won 'best of show' at Macworld in January earlier this year. uses the same engine as Dragon)
Jack> and see what their plans are for making Dragon PRO available on the Mac, so I don't have to run it on the Mac using the Windows/Parallels Virtual machine.
Drew> I'm curious to know how it performs.
Drew> I may depend on how LITE sells...
Jack> Right macspeech... That's based on the Dragon Preferred I think. I was glad to see Nuance getting in to the mac market. It's been a real weakness for Macs - all that computing power and no decent Voice to Text.
Drew> It (not I)
Drew> Right!
Jack> Dragon is a little sluggish on the PC but I would think it could wail on the Mac.
Jack> Maybe It, maybe I, maybe both. ;)
Jack> Slips are messages. ;)
Jack> Although our ego HATES to hear that sometimes!
Drew> ANd I've just caught it!
Jack> Nice catch!
Jack> Personally, I think your brand of Light will sell very well.
Jack> Perhaps a little later, or perhaps a little sooner than you might expect.
Drew> That's much of what's coming up for me....
Jack> :cool:
Drew> What is my 'value' in the world, etc.
Drew> I'm all about 'light'!
Jack> Believe me, I am somewhat familiar with that sentiment. :)
Drew> (and I need to support myself too)
Jack> Yeah I think you are too.
Jack> You've already begun.
Jack> Call on all the help you need to be successful.
Jack> Your subconscious will give you a sign when sufficient help has arrived.
Drew> NICEE!
Jack> :p
Jack> Yepper.
Jack> Well my dear friend, shall we get some rest for the weary?
Jack> BTW, throw in a KSMO practice session some time.
Jack> But don't expect anything.
Drew> Which MBP did you get?
Drew> Yeah, if spring finally make a show here, I'll probably do that!
Drew> Oh, one other thing of note...
Jack> 2.5GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Jack> 17 inch hi rez, matte screen 200G 7200 hd.
Drew> I've been listening to Arthur Joseph's "Vocal Awareness" program again....
Drew> Very interesting material, and so in-tune with the teachings here.
Jack> Yeah?
Jack> Gotta link?
Drew> Oh, you got the BIG one!
Drew> vocalawareness.com (I think)
Jack> Yeah I like to see the Big Picture. Also for Jackie's photo work and prolly some video editing.
Jack> k, thanks for the link. What are the linkages, between his work and what's here?
Drew> http://www.vocalawareness.com/
Drew> Your voice IS your identity
Drew> many of us learn to suppress who we are
Drew> and that's held in the body as tension
Drew> and impacts the quality of our voice.
Jack> Yeah this looks VERY interesting! Thanks!
Drew> (You can use an additional external monitor too!)
Drew> The program includes some specific vocal exercises, even 'singing'
Jack> Yes re: external monitor...
Jack> Have you worked with Arthur's material yet?
Jack> DEFINITELY looks quite interesting and beneficial!
Drew> I can't honestly say that I have... I've had the material for ages, yet haven't got into exploring it fully. I guess NOW is the time.
Jack> Well don't explore it fully yet. Just dip your toe. ;)
Drew> I intuitively sense that what ever I'm supposed to do on the piece of rock, it somehow involves my voice.
Jack> Yeah I really agree with that!
Jack> That totally resonates... especially given the challenges with which you were presented growing up. It's all to make you stronger and give you a very powerful story to tell others and inspire them.
Drew> Yeah, my own personal taste of the big cosmic joke! :D
Jack> Speaking, and maybe doing a little design work for F1 and for Tata! ;)
Jack> It's a joke, and it's also a gift - and that's no joke!
Drew> Agreed!
Drew> I wish I'd have known then what I know now... But then of course, that would change EVERYTHING!
Jack> yeah and that would've spoiled all the fun you've had!
Jack> It's a GREAT TREAT for you to be here this evening, Brother!
Jack> THANK YOU VERY MUCH...
Drew> EXACTALLY!
Jack> Yeah!!! PRECISELY that!
Drew> You're welcome, and right back at ya!
Jack> Our conversations always feel like jam sessions to me. What a rush!
Drew> Quick, fire up Garageband! :cool:
Jack> Yeah I just got into it last night. It was fun!
Drew> Welcome to "MacLand"
Jack> I'd better get going. My dinner's ready. :)
Jack> Yeah MacLand is fun and of course WAAAAAY KEWEL!
Drew> Okey Dokey!
Drew> Until the next time
Drew> Hugs to Jackie!
Jack> My first computer was an Apple II, so it's nice to be back to Mac!
Jack> Thanks she says "Oh Bless his heart! Send hugs back to him!" :)
Drew> You know what they say... "Once you've had Mac..." :eek:
Jack> Til next time... wishin' you all the best, and some special surprises when you least expect them!
Jack> Yepper re: had Mac!
Drew> Thanks, I like that!
Jack> bfn!
Jack> HUGGSSS!
Drew> Byeee~
Jack> ********** END of Multiple Orgasm Trigger Training and Discussion Chat of 20080413
Session stop: Sun Apr 13 04:02:55 2008