Session start: Tue Mar 25 02:34:23 2008
Jack> Last day chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20082424
Jack> Hi Laly and Mog...
Laly> hi jack
Laly> sorry was peeking yet again at OrgasmWiki site
Jack> No worries... Just popping in an hour early in case anybody in the daylight savings zone showed at 1600 GMT.
Jack> I'm still on the road for about 3 more days, then will be back home getting settled. :)
Laly> cool
Laly> yeah Re: daylight thing-- that's why I am here too
mog> Hi Laly and Jack - hope you are both well. What are you doing on the road Jack?
Jack> Hi Mog!
Jack> Travelling back to BC from Southern Oregon.
mog> Vacation? I'm due for next week in the Canaries. Partner and I want to get away from the current English weather.
Laly> sweet
Laly> I'll be in Michigan next weekend
mog> Vacation, Support Group, Mom and Dad?
Jack> Canaries vacation sounds delightfully exotic!
mog> If I hadn't already been there three hundred times!
Jack> I was down in Southern Oregon at the old homestead, enjoying the spring weather rainbows and seeing old friends.
Jack> 300 times! Like... too much ice cream?
Laly> Combination mini-vac and Workshop Mog :)
mog> Florida is too far for me - the Canaries make a nice winter break for us.
mog> Only a slight exaggeration!
Jack> :)
mog> Hope you have a pleasant trip, Laly. How are Mom and Dad?
Laly> they are great
Laly> n thanks re: trip
Laly> (always fun visiting with Dear Drew :) )
mog> Must be nice to have a KSMO buddy to talk with.
Jack> It is, that's why the chatbox is here, too. :)
Jack> btw I was reading in your blog, Laly about talking more with your parents. Congratulations!
Jack> Also, I don't know that you ever need to tell them about what KSMO really is for you. As an adult you get to have personal boundaries about private matters, vis a vis your parents.
Laly> thanks Jack
mog> Do your parents read the forum Laly?
mog> No, I suppose not.
Laly> no Mog...altho Mom has come into room when we had prior chats
Laly> she still can't or won't understand why i see counselor
Laly> refers to it as "getting me head screwed on straight' :(
Laly> *my not me
mog> That might be understandable if she has never had the need to visit one.
Laly> it is a sore topic with us Mog
mog> She sounds a plain-speaking lady! - Is she?
Laly> OH YEAH- big time
Laly> but not much on listening - really- listening to what i say
mog> Oh - does she think that you should not have the need?
Laly> in a way yeah
mog> What does your Dad think?
Laly> Oh lord....
Laly> I wish i knew Mog>> *sighs
mog> Mmmm - I'll enquire no more.....
Laly> but he and I are talking -- way more than ever before
Laly> Mog-- he rarely shares what he's thinking0 let alone feeling
Laly> it is in that family dynamic
mog> Talking more - How did that happen?
Laly> hold it in-- keep quiet 0 deal with it yourself
Laly> which part ??
mog> Plitics is complicated - Families even moe so!
mog> Politics!
Laly> uh huh-- my grandparents (before they died) were same way
Laly> his parents -- i mean
Laly> we never DID know when they got married
Laly> just some things were 'taboo' to talk about
Jack> Some people think that our maturation as adults may include an acceptance of learning to help ourselves evolve while allowing our parents not to. Allowing in quotes, of course.
mog> T'was the same in my family - not uncommon I suppose.
Laly> in the year before my grandfather died== I heard more about grandpa's side of the family -- where the Roth's came from than I heard in my 37 years
Laly> a very enlightening 3 hour conversation
Laly> when grandma died-- no memorial service
Laly> net time we visited-- a flippant comment .. oh by the way-- there's your mom/fgrandma
Laly> urn sitting on top of her coputer
Laly> computer
Laly> (lovely huh :( )
mog> Ironic.
Laly> k-- nuff morose stuff here
Laly> when he died last year Mog-- grandpa -- no memorial was done
Laly> just a call from my mom at work-- that he died
Jack> I'm curious, do either of you have any thoughts or response to my comment just previous?
Laly> i read it-
mog> Don't give with the dewdrops, Laly.
Laly> it is possible ...speaking generally
Laly> dewdrops??? not HOW could you possibly know I was crying mog?? :)
Laly> *now
mog> It was just a guess!
Laly> each generation learned something different on 'how to deal' with things Jack
Laly> a learned response pattern if you will
Laly> which was picked up by watching their parents and how they reacted
Laly> whether right or wrong
Laly> (is ok mog -- I WAS crying)
Laly> (just feel never got the closure needed - saying goodbye)
Laly> with the Family Constellation Workshops I attend
Laly> it helps to recognize these 'bad' patterns or limiting behaviors
Laly> and giving 'me' a chance to change them
Laly> update them-- be a 'better' me
mog> Nice to chat, Laly and Jack. Must go now.
Laly> :D
Laly> take care mog -- nice chatting with ya sweetie
Jack> Thanks mog, very nice to chat with you as well. When do you leave for the Canaries?
mog> Monday - but I'm taking the KSMO with me - it's packed already!
Jack> Have a great time!
Jack> LOL. Yes it's quite portable, fortunately!
Jack> Laly, what have been some of your favorite Forum posts lately?
Laly> the blogs of Matt and the conversations about the Prostrate cradle
Jack> What did you like about Matt's blogs?
Laly> cant remember that name specifially-- but he did a post that had MY eyebrows raised
Laly> well it intrigued me -- in the fact that he 'pleaseured' his mate more than allowing his own pleasures to be met
Laly> i related to his feeling of inadequacy too
Laly> but also admired his courage in being open minded as far as KSMMO practice as well
Jack> Re: more than allowing his own pleasures... that's why I recommend the solo practice - to remove that kind of pressure and to be able to have an opportunity to tune into one's own feelings.
Jack> And experiences.
Laly> yes
Laly> but there are some that want to share with with someone special too -- but afraid to take that chance
Laly> to be 'open'
Jack> For sure...
Laly> I mean -- I am very open and honest with men AND women when discussing KSMO
Laly> or sex in geberal
Laly> general-- oops :P
Jack> RE: the afraid... that's where I like Charles Whitfield's share check share check model of interaction.
Laly> yes...that's exactly what I am doing with my counselor
Jack> It's a good way to continue to re-affirm mutual consent when discussing or otherwise interacting with someone about sexual matters.
Laly> without mentioning "KSMO" by name with her
Jack> That sounds like a good practice!
Jack> My comment re: good practice was re: your using share check share check with your counselor.
Laly> i knew that
Jack> By the same token, one's counselor is a special opportunity to test new boundaries about how much to share.
Laly> very true-- i mean I STILL blush trying to discuss 'sex' with her
Jack> Do you sometimes blush but test new boundaries of discussion with her anyway?
Laly> but still discuss it :)
Laly> oh yes
Laly> even with her husband- about 'things' as well
Laly> Next weekend I will be sharing with the group
Laly> about my disability-- being deaf/severe;y hearing impaired
Laly> severly
Laly> something I hate about myself- showing a weakness
Laly> but is a fact I can not change
Jack> A disability is not a sin. :)
Laly> i know
Jack> That's why some people prefer the expression: differently abled rather than dis-abled.
Laly> but it is putting self 'out there;
Jack> Yes.
Laly> I haven't learned sign language yet-- for that reason
Laly> meant admitting to self-- is no hope , no chance of "getting better"
Jack> Learning sign though can help build bridges for other hearing-impaired people.
Laly> that there are 2 options only -- left
Laly> true --
Laly> I purchased 2 different types of sign language software this week
Jack> Great Action Step!
Laly> thanks--
Laly> so that's what I will be doing later
Laly> and taking and showing to Drew as well
Jack> That sounds like a very expansive step for you to take!
Laly> it is
Laly> but I feel is time
Laly> getting harder and harder to hear people
Jack> I think before too long that you'd probably become a very good teacher of it.
Laly> even at work
Laly> awwww
Laly> :)
Laly> the new digital hearing aid need to upgrade to is like $3000
Jack> It's also a skill I am needing and wanting to learn, as my wife's hearing is becoming more of a challenge.
Jack> Wow that's a lot of $!
Laly> awesome re: your wanting to learn it
Laly> yeah-- digital ones are costly
Jack> She has severe high frequency loss and the highs are where most of the speech signal is since most consonants are made up of the high frequencies.
Laly> mine is in low tones
Jack> For her, hearing aids only make the lows louder - since she doesn't hear the highs hardly at all.
Laly> yeah
Laly> one i have now-- is 6 yrs old
Jack> I also think it's an interesting challenge for hearing impaired people to learn KSMO... I think the secret is
Jack> in learning to place one's hand on the chest and feel the vibrations when the tone is in a low enough range.
Laly> my concern when I first ordered
Laly> was being able to hear you at all --
Jack> Yeah that certainly makes sense!
Jack> After hearing your validation sample though, it's amazing how accurate your articulation is!
Laly> as you said -- feeling that vibration in the chest
Jack> I'd like to ask the people who have demonstrated accurate articulation in the private Key Sound Validation area if they'd be willing to allow me to post
Jack> samples of their sounds in the general area for logged in users, as models.
Laly> have my permission :)
Jack> It just occurred to me that they might be able to lay a speaker on their chest when they play the samples from the intro seminar, and from the second, Key Sound Training seminar.
Jack> Thanks!
Laly> i think it would help others- in the fact knowing he/she doesn't 'have to match"
Jack> I'm going to set that up, once I get back to my base camp. :)
Laly> your pitch perfectly- deeply or otherwise
Laly> great
Jack> Yeah re: match - to know that it doesn't need to be an exact match, but rather within a certain range.
Laly> as you pointed out-- I was missing the h part
Laly> only because I couldn't hear it :(
Laly> :)
Jack> A Key, if you will, is that when articulated correctly, there is indeed a noticeable vibration in the chest, and
Jack> with relaxation, further down the trunk of the body. It's this vibration that gently shakes awake the Echo Effects response.
Laly> oh yes
Laly> even now- 3 yrs later
Jack> That plus that rolling quality that gives the energy a little push.
Laly> am feeling different echos that 1st time around
Jack> That's really GREAT!
Laly> they arent upper body much anymore
Laly> but more core area :)
Laly> :o
Jack> That's the beauty of how the energy channels just continue to open more and more to the flow of the energy through one's entire body - the Further Awakening. :)
Laly> yeah....it is a deeper understanding and respect for myself as well
Jack> THAT is REALLY wonderful news!
Laly> :)
Jack> On that note... is there anything else you'd like to discuss for today?
Laly> no--
Laly> shed enough happy tears today :D
Jack> Ok... shall we wrap it up for today's hosted chat, then?
Jack> That's good! Spring showers make the flowers grow!
Laly> sure -- lol --couldnt see there
Laly> take care Jack
Jack> Ok I hope you have a lovely week. You continue to take good care too, Laly... You're really doing great!
Jack> All the very best to you!
Laly> and to you as well :)
Jack> Bye for now...
Laly> bye for now
Laly> (hugs))
Session stop: Sat Mar 29 18:33:41 2008