Session start: Sat Mar 15 17:04:00 2008

Gold Nugget - Zeitgeist describes breakthrough - Jack shares story from the I Ching re: The difference between the old fox crossing the ice, and the young fox crossing the ice.

Jack> ***** 20080315 Welcome to the Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Training and Discussion Chat hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA *****
zeitgeist> hi JJ hi Laly!
Laly> hi ziet!!
zeitgeist> hivbmtor!
Laly> how are you Z-man??
zeitgeist> good ty! its wet here so a good reason to stay indoors and chat!
zeitgeist> and you Laly?
Laly> been a rough week for me
zeitgeist> I regret I can only stay for about an hour..
Laly> okay
zeitgeist> I'm sorry to hear that
Laly> anything you want to share ??
zeitgeist> and now, at the end of the week?
Laly> befuddled on what to do/where to go from this point
zeitgeist> that's a good place to be - it means you have choices..!
Laly> yeah
zeitgeist> have you tried the eft hand/right hand decision process - very NLP...
Laly> no -- never heard of it
Laly> not much into EFT
zeitgeist> ok, VERY briefly...
zeitgeist> for this NLP process, put one decision in one hand, and another in the other hand...
zeitgeist> LEFT hand and right hand
zeitgeist> ...and weigh them up
zeitgeist> (best done with a practitioner tho')
Laly> ahhh :) - k
Laly> welll.. Drew IS a NLP trainer
zeitgeist> allows you to process each choice individually
zeitgeist> then compare them
Laly> my counselor has been unavailable due to death in the family z :(
zeitgeist> I didn't know that Laly, so am I!
Laly> really!! wow
zeitgeist> I'm sorry to hear that L
zeitgeist> I hope things return to normal for you shortly
Laly> they will
Laly> is just feeling in limbo right now
zeitgeist> that's GOOD!
zeitgeist> on hold so to speak..
Laly> :)
zeitgeist> well, its been NICE to see your presence in the forum!
zeitgeist> you asked me if I wanted to share...
Laly> yes i did
zeitgeist> I had a lovely session last night and am bursting to want to share...
zeitgeist> but ought to wait until Jack comes back....
zeitgeist> AND I've been feeling particularly serene over the past few days
Laly> that's great
zeitgeist> I guess I'm in a mid-point situation too.
zeitgeist> I feel that I've turned a corner
zeitgeist> The future will hold some challenges but old challenges will be left behind
Laly> mmm...makes me think-- that good thing or bad??
Laly> great!!
Jack> Hi! I'm here!
Jack> Please tell us!
zeitgeist> back after a crash!
zeitgeist> Generally, its very good!
Laly> welcome back
zeitgeist> Hi JJ, welcome back!
zeitgeist> Uh, disconnected - I guess its busy on this line, I don't think the contention ratio is that good, plus I'm 3 miles from the exchange - marginal
zeitgeist> So in a minute I hope to describe my latest KSMO session...
Jack> lol, thanks Zeit!
Jack> Yes please... just beware of the Ides of March!
Jack> The good news is, it's also the Bacchanalia, isn't it? ;)
zeitgeist> the Ides - THAT explains EVERYTHING!
Jack> [Welcome skybird! Zeitgeist is describing a recent very good session!]
Jack> < zeitgeist LOL, yeah!
zeitgeist> So the usual 20 minute session started well...
zeitgeist> and toward the end, I began to have full body sexual feelings... (welcome back Laly!)
Jack> [That is GREAT news, Zeit!!!! Pls continue!]
zeitgeist> the key sound seemed to 'vibrate it all over'
Laly> (never left z- but that's ok)
Jack> That definitely sounds like a new level of Adeptitude, Z!
zeitgeist> (ok Laly, you disappeared from my chat indicator)....
zeitgeist> PLUS
zeitgeist> this sexual space I've talked about has increased in space within my body...
zeitgeist> and that intensity has reached a new level...
zeitgeist> extremely close to that of orgasm..
Jack> That is REALLY WONDERFUL Zeitgeist!!!
zeitgeist> somehow it feels like fluid hot metal...
Jack> Keep relaxing and allowing, and doing relaxing breathing... :)
zeitgeist> it was /is WONDERFUL...
Jack> Ah yes, the FIERY SERPENT!
zeitgeist> yes! that is the prime directive! :D
zeitgeist> how I warmed down afterwards was difficult... in terms of not going for it THIS time...
zeitgeist> And let feelings subside naturally...
zeitgeist> I realised that I began to 'reach' so that was a signal to stop..
zeitgeist> and just ks and breathe... :)
zeitgeist> and this has not been the only time..!
Jack> VERY astute recognition!
Jack> Oh that is likewise very wondeful news, Z!
Laly> :)
zeitgeist> so this appears to be the new level of experience to be continued.
zeitgeist> it is, Jack! I'm very pleased with progress.
zeitgeist> that all over body sexual feeling time was a fantastic milestone of progress
zeitgeist> it validates all the practice, day in day out week... etc.
Jack> YES!!!
Laly> yes it does
zeitgeist> in a way, when I start a session, the excitement is tempered by the requirement to keep donw any tension! :D
zeitgeist> however, the investment in practice has started to pay the dividend!
Jack> Way to keep the faith!!! LOL!
zeitgeist> and of course, to steady myself to keep the right 'frame of mind' for further progress.
Laly> awesome insight
zeitgeist> of course, the attendant echo effects have increased on the same scale and are more available to me
zeitgeist> at ANY time.
Jack> Welcome to the at will Zone!!!
zeitgeist> Overall a real milestone for my journey.
Jack> Adept Zeitgeist!
Jack> Yes INDEED!
zeitgeist> yes! I'm certainly there!
Jack> ...And certainly HERE! ;)
zeitgeist> Phew!
Laly> :D
zeitgeist> M'mm!
Jack> Yeah, Brother!!!
zeitgeist> So, I guess that's the report :cool:
zeitgeist> No holding back - no where near!!
Jack> Great!!!
Laly> sweet
zeitgeist> I guess I will just let things happen...
zeitgeist> as they turn up
zeitgeist> I've gone over in my mind what might happen... a quickening etc..
zeitgeist> whatever, it will be perfectly natural...
zeitgeist> without pre-conceptions
Jack> Yeah, beware of getting ahead of yourself!
zeitgeist> keeping that open mind...
Jack> Remember what worked for you was to relax and release expectations - to ALLOW your body's inner wisdom to guide you.
zeitgeist> YES! avoiding any cognitive trap even at this stage
Jack> MOST ESPECIALLY at this stage ;)
Jack> Are you aware of the story in the I Ching / Book of Changes about the Old Fox and the Young Fox?
zeitgeist> ...things may happen...whatever they may be... it will be perfectly natural...
zeitgeist> in THEIR own time, probably not mine! :D
Laly> i agree
zeitgeist> I have probably forgotten it Jack! remind me
Jack> It's in the Wilhelm Baynes edition, the 64th hexagram, where the author speaks of the tradition in China
Jack> that compares the wisdom of the old fox crossing the ice with the impetuousness of the young fox.
Jack> The old fox knows well that as he crosses the ice and approaches the shore, that is where the ice is the thinnest so he steps even more carefully...
Jack> Whereas the young fox, being well, young and impetuous, says Oh Boy!!! I'm THERE! And tries to leap to the shore... But in so doing as he pushes off on the thin ice, he falls into the cold water and gets his tail wet! ;)
zeitgeist> There is wisdom!
Jack> So just relax, CONTINUE to ALLOW as THAT has been what has served you so well!
Jack> :D
zeitgeist> sure... that's what I meant about tempering that excitement....
zeitgeist> even at the beginning of the session..
zeitgeist> to relax from the beginning is easiest
Jack> Well, no need to temper your excitement... let your excitement flow into the orgasmic rushes!
zeitgeist> keeping that way is easier than releasing tension halfway through a session!
Jack> Just don't convert your excitement into chasing after the feelings, just relax and ENJOY the excitement of this new Zone!
Jack> It's somewhat paradoxical yet as you know, there is great power in positive paradox!
zeitgeist> True! to redirect that energy!
zeitgeist> starting with state of calm works for me
Jack> yes because that excitement is already anticipatory orgasmic rushes!
zeitgeist> :D
Laly> :)
zeitgeist> Oh my!
zeitgeist> or should that be Oh Mog? :D
Laly> what you described z ...is the feelings been experiencing lately
zeitgeist> just about 5 days worth, Laly.
Laly> ?
zeitgeist> laly, i didnt get anything after 'lately'...
Laly> for me--about 5 months worth
Laly> i used question mark Z- that's what didnt show up for you
zeitgeist> ok!
zeitgeist> to confirm... this has happened just over the last 5 or so days at this intensity.
zeitgeist> ...appearing to be close to orgasm.
Laly> yes
zeitgeist> :)
Laly> and then nothing
Jack> Hmm not sure what you mean by nothing.
zeitgeist> the experience is similar to the Point of no Return but with now muscular 'drawing back'
zeitgeist> NO drawing back of muscle groups...
Laly> let me see if I can explain Jack
zeitgeist> It feels close to orgasm then there is little or no increase in intensity..
Laly> nothing -- having a great session one day
zeitgeist> then a slow decrease in sexual feeling
Jack> The nature of this response is cyclical, not linear. We often tend to forget that.
Jack> That is there's a rise to a higher intensity, then a backing off somewhat, before, a little later,
Laly> i havent forgotten Jack...just 'miss' it
Jack> and very often when you least expect it a new SPONTANEOUS rise to a higher peak or Zone.
Jack> That is the more characteristic pattern.
Jack> It may also be fatigue, Laly, either physical or emotional, or both, as lot has been going on for you that way, lately.
Laly> i wait that day...til then -- work thru the furballs
Laly> very true re: a lot happening lately
Jack> Yeah sometimes it's easy to forget... It's all part of the continuing Adventure though... And reaffirming trust in our body-mind's ability to continue to lead us higher and deeper, when we allow it and remember to reaffirm our faith it's native ability to do so.
Laly> yeah
zeitgeist> yes, that allowing is so important...
Laly> i guess it is just the feeling of having a roadblock ahead and seeing no way around it -- yet :)
zeitgeist> nicely re-cognised Laly!
Laly> thanks
Laly> so am just sitting 'here' looking at it and pondering
zeitgeist> I'm noticing your growing self-awareness
Laly> aww thanks *wipes tears
zeitgeist> distinguishing the map from the territory so to speak ;)
zeitgeist> ..your continuing changes to your map...
zeitgeist> utilising the trust Jack mentioned for your-self. :cool:
Laly> well as I am learning NLP z-- perceptions can change
Jack> [I'm sorry to say that I must now excuse myself for an appointment but will be back at 7pm PDT for the evening session or in GMT the 0200 session]
Jack> Congratuations again, Zeitgeist!!!
Laly> of self and of others :D
Laly> take care z-- HUGS
zeitgeist> Thanks Jack!! I gotta eat too, its 19:12 here
Laly> HUGS Jack too
zeitgeist> and Laly, special Huggss too!
zeitgeist> bye to you all!
Laly> bye bye
Session stop: Sat Mar 15 19:14:00 2008