Session start: Sat Jan 26 01:18:01 2008
Jack> Congratulations vbmtor! Thanks for the upgrade!
Laly> yeah -- tons of thanks for me vb!! very kewl
Jack> Hey Lopez!
Jack> vbmtor and I are doing some testing
Jack> and tweaking of the ChatBox upgrade.
Jack> And now the search box results are Google site search AD FREE!
Jack> Gold Nuggets link now returns ad-free Google results of our forum too.
Lopez> Hi Jack :D
Jack> Hi!
Jack> Clement is awake too (in Paris) and he's workin' like a dawg on finishing up
Jack> the upgrade of the ChatBox, and I just got the license taken care of for Google site search Ads-Free and he has
Lopez> nice, a suggestion: i enjoyed the old 'advanced search' option
Jack> linked it to the Search link on the navbar, and the special search for "Gold Nugget" when you hit the Gold Nuggets link.
Jack> What does the old Advanced search give you that Google won't?
Jack> If there's a reason for it, we'll make it available. Where do you want us to put the link?
Jack> Note however that vbulletin Advanced search doesn't index blogs or blog comments.
Lopez> the option to search through titles or through posts (or both) and particularly, the option to search through only a paritcular users posts
Jack> We can do that!
Jack> Where do you want it? Do you want us to add it in the Search Dropdown list?
Lopez> yep!
Jack> I'm sittin' here at 3:11 AM helping vbmtor roll out these improvements.
Lopez> dedication :D
Jack> We're both putting in long days and nights to give you what you want here, and I really appreciate all of your suggestions!
Jack> Darned right, dedication! Since 1993! 2 years b4 there even was an html web. :D If you want this, there's a good chance a bunch of others do too!
Jack> vbmtor is working very hard to tweak everything to make it as right as we can make it!
Lopez> merci clement!
Jack> Salut Clement et merci! A bientot!
Jack> Ok Lopez, you have the conn. I'm hittin' the bunk. ;)
Jack> vbmtor said when he gets back in harness he will add the Adv Search - I think it will be in the Search dropdown.
Lopez> Good night Jack
Jack> G'nite L... Bob's yer Uncle, mate!
Jack> You'll be seeing more improvements appear during the rest of the weekend. vbmtor has quite a list I've given him. :)
Jack> bfn!
Jack> meanwhile, enjoy the Google site search, ads free!
Lopez> will do :cool:
Laly> hi Lopez
Lopez> vbmtor, good work adding the 'advanced search' option to the 'Search' menu
Lopez> :)
Valentine> The new stuff is awesome. :)
Valentine> The chatBox up/down scroller jumps up when I am reading further down on the chat.
Valentine> I would really like it to not move. :)
Valentine> the up/down scroller-------------->
Valentine> When I scroll down to read what has been said, it jumps back up without me doing anything.
Valentine> about 15 seconds
Valentine> looks like it has be scrolled past the half way point
Valentine> almost the whole way to the top
Valentine> no
Valentine> At first, I thought it was that too
Valentine> Opera (ewwww, IE)
Valentine> I can do a test on IE, if you would like
Valentine> looks like it works in IE
Valentine> and the formatting is better looking, too!
Valentine> Oh, I'm probably the only Opera user, you can do that last. :)
Jack> Thanks VERY much Val for the great ideas!
Valentine> You are welcome
Jack> AND MANY THANK TO ARTFORM TOO who is working very hard on the GLOSSARY!
Jack> Hi Laly! Hi urug! vbmtor and I are hard at it, adding suggested improvements to the Forum!
Laly> Hi Jack :)
Laly> all the "hard work" you 2 are doing is greatly appreciated
Laly> there is one link that isn't working Jack
Laly> here in the forum
Laly> the view chat full-page link at the top
Laly> i get message "page not found"
Laly> thanks (HUGS)
Laly> yipppeeee -- dancing with joy :) :D
Laly> thanks
Laly> (am an easy woman to please vb ;) )
Laly> actually --was fun when I was doing the editing for chat transcripts
Laly> love the new raw chatbox thread :D
Laly> okay
Laly> that chat -- oh yeah
Laly> am not too proud of myself in that episode :(
Laly> i can see a few things that can be added to it - formatting wise
Laly> i'll pass to Jack
Laly> :) okay
Laly> thanks :)-- are doing a great job
canuck75> ello all
Lopez> vbmtor, another note: at the moment the chatbox times are indexing to Jack's time settings
Lopez> i.e. this entry shows 2008/01/26 05:20 PM when for me it is 2008/01/27 12:20pm
Laly> yeah GMT time
Lopez> yep: All times are GMT +11. The time now is 02:53.
Lopez> yet the chatbox notes that lost entry as: 2008/01/27 07:53 AM
mackledowney> good afternoon everyone
Laly> hi mackledowney
Buster> I sure like the time listed on here in non-military time. Hopefully vbmtor can make it correct to our individual time zones. Looks good though.
Buster> I guess I need to adjust my bold, underline, italics!
Laly> it is fixed now buster
Laly> vbmotr was right-- that can be set thru each users profile
Buster> Hi Laly, my time is off by 3 hours. I was just in my profile and it is assigned to the right time zone. Am I missing something?
Laly> not sure-- mine is off by an hour i see
Laly> oops - 2
Laly> do u have the DST link clicked to on??
Buster> I do.
Laly> ok-- that is partly why is 3 hours
Laly> i just clicked it and it moved to hour difference
Laly> 3 hour
Buster> I just changed to Buenos Aires time to see....same problem.
Laly> hmmm
Buster> For the chat box, it seems to be set to a certain time that is not effected by our profile preferences.
Laly> i see that
Laly> i'll mention it to jack
Laly> maybe something within the form formatting
Laly> forum
Buster> Either way, it is easier for me to subtract 3 hours than it is to translate military time after 12 noon. I have number issues.
Laly> yeaj
Buster> It is a work in progress. I am sure that they will get to it once they are aware of it.
Laly> yes
Laly> how are things going for u
Buster> You know, pretty good. How about you? We were concerned about you during the last chat session. I hope you are better.
Laly> thanks-- more embarrassed by my behavior than anything
Laly> just too much to deal with -- emotionally after week i had
Buster> I wouldn't be. I hope that you would feel good about the fact that there were people here who cared. In this faceless world, that is pretty good.
Buster> I know that Val felt really bad!
Laly> yeah-- i still should not have left
Laly> yea-- i hoped my saying something to him-
Buster> Hindsight is 20/20. Dont sweat the small stuff.
Laly> would have been enough and left it at that
Laly> thanks--i spent last week or so-- meditating quite a but
Laly> bir
Buster> While you were gone, we talked a bit about how difficult your mind can make things.
Laly> bit --- grrr lol
Laly> yeah-
Laly> i couldnt return to chat for awhile
Laly> struggled to regain control of emotions and hurt
Buster> I tried meditating once way back when and could not get too far with it. I have been more successful with yoga. Have you ever tried that?
Laly> nope
Laly> i do yoga but have horrid balance issues
Buster> It is very centering.
Buster> My balance was bad as well. It got better with time.
Laly> so is the reiki and healing sessions I do
Laly> good
Laly> welll i wrote a post regarding my behavior in chat
Laly> i do not blame anybody
Laly> just a bad week for me at that time
Buster> I did not read the post. I have to admit that if it is not in chat or in a blog, I don't pay much attention to it. Maybe when things get more organized I will pay more attention.
Laly> is in my blog buster
Buster> Huh, I usually keep up on those. I will have to check it out.
Laly> my being up for 17 hours that day as well-- is no excuse either
Buster> Hey, you had a bad week/day. They can get away from you sometimes.
Laly> yeah
Laly> i debated for awhile to even attend chat-- but as bad as i was feeling
Laly> depressed- i knew i'd take a drink
Buster> Drinking is bad for you, huh?
Laly> and jack knew it too
Laly> no-- not really
Laly> i rarely drink at all
Buster> Jack knew what?
Laly> that i would get the alcohol
Laly> to numb pain
Buster> Ah, I see.
Laly> asvoid feeling anything
Buster> I know that I have certainly done that.
Laly> :)
Laly> i dont drink often-- because i can not get drunk
Laly> it winds me up --for days at a time
Buster> Hey, a question for you off subject. Why do people have more than one blog going at a time? Wouldn't it be better to just have one that you go back to every time?
Laly> because of how they have blog set up
Laly> if they do not have it set up under "parent" blog title
Laly> like i do
Laly> or parent blog category
Laly> they will post as un-catergorized entries
Buster> Well Laly, nice chatting with you. I have to shove off. Have a great week.
Laly> u too buster
Valentine> woo, aquarium tomorrow!!!
Jack> Hi wildfox, welcome back! Check out openheart's recent post of his awakening his multiorgasmic response:
Jack> http://www.multiples.com/howtolastlo...orgasm-success
Jack> Remember to post your Key Sound(tm) for validation. No sense practicing it incorrectly!!!
Lopez> morning Jack
Jack> Hey Lopez!
Jack> Took a break, and have been up for a while but it's time for a nap now. :)
Jack> Do you feel that we are responding to people's suggestions and making worthwhile improvements?
Jack> On the main website, to help people get more comfortable with getting the seminars and getting involved, I'm also installing a live chat / live call system to answer people's questions when they are considering getting the seminars.
Jack> Time to zzzz... Have a good day!
Lopez> You certainly have taken proactive measures implementing the suggestions of others... which is a very important and valued trait: to be proactive and not reactive :)
Jack> Thanks!
Max> Hi Jack, how's it going?
Jack> Hey Max!!! Sorry for the delay
Jack> in responding to you... I was working in another area of the Forum. :)
Jack> I'm glad you're taking a look at openheart's thread describing his recent breakthrough!
Jack> I've got a brief phone appt right now (about 20 min) but will check back here, and I hope you might still be around so we can chat. If not then, hopefully very soon! :)
Jack> Warm Welcome to Newest Newbie LITTLE_TIGER!
Jack> Hi Mog - How's life in The Zone? :) Greetings urug I hope you find the Success Stories inspiring and motivating! Please post your Key Sound(tm) .mp3 for validation of accurate articulation!
Jack> Hello Himta! Please feel free to post your questions, and BE SURE to post your Key Sound(tm) mp3 so I can make sure you're articulating it correctly - VERY IMPORTANT! ;) Details at top of Forum Home Page.
Jack> Hey Justn_Otherguy (and others!) Check out canuck75's Nightgasms Update!
Jack> G'day Lopez! (1:08AM here) I hope you're enjoying canuck75's posts as well as openheart's Grand Openings. How goes YOUR practice? I'm just wrapping up phase one of some tests of main site home page. Live Chat / Phone utility gets added there later today when I get up. Cheers!
Lopez> :) My practice: Simply, I'm waiting. Waiting for that moment where I "break on through to the other side!" I make it my intent to relax, to enjoy each moment and be aware of my body throughout the session. Given that I am persistent, all thats left is that I wait. :cool:
Jack> Hi wildturkey, welcome to our online community! Chat 0083 is a good one! Also click the Gold Nuggets link on the navbar for some great recent breakthroughs and historic posts. Don't forget Key Sound(tm) validation! ;)
Jack> Hi Val!
Valentine> Hi
Valentine> I just read the transcript for the last chat with Pan
Valentine> I still have questions I wanna ask him!!
Jack> He will probably be back online within a week.
Jack> He had to be away for a while for personal reasons.
Jack> Best thing to do would be to start a thread about the questions then I can email him the link so he'll have it when he gets back.
Jack> When you post the thread and questions, please send ME an email with the URL of the post, and I'll fwd to him.
Jack> ttyl!
Jack> btw, chats this weekend, hit the Calendar link and the date for details. I hope to see you there! Last longer in bed using the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ - Calendar
Valentine> I don't think I have seen you at a chat, mog.
mog> Hi Val - how are things with you? I'm not much good at chat!
mog> I prefer to think about what i write
mog> How did all that http stuff get in there?
Laly> lol == it happens mog
Jack> G'day Lopez!
Jack> See Val's thread to which I just responded to in the Forum
Lopez> Hi Jack
Valentine> In my defense, I was carb depleted. :)
Jack> Good day mog!
Jack> I hope yours is blissful! :) I'm off to dreamland...
mog> Hello Jack! Just missed you I think. The Zone is still great and getting better.
mog> Dreamland? I think you deserve a holiday! (sorry-vacation!)
Jack> Dang! Sorry I missed you mog! VERY glad to hear the Thousand Petalled Lotus continues to bloom for you and show new petals! ;) All the Best to you, Grandmaster Mog!
Jack> Hosted Chats this weekend click the Calendar link for details!
artform> Hi Jack. HELP! The new ChatBox is three and a half times wider than my screen and sticks wayyyy out past the edge of the rest of the page frame! This is the case whether I am logged in or not, and still happens in "view Chat full-page". I use Safari browser. Your "Dang!" post for example, is one line of type, two screens wide. Impossible to follow a chat and reply. Thanks for attending to this.
artform> My post below also shows up as one line, on and on...
Koopa> Hi everyone.. i just joined today so will spend some time on the basics.. Thanks Jack for helping the last couple of days!
Koopa> I think first off.. is there any way of shortening my name??:confused::confused:
Valentine> Hi koopa. Mario 64?
Valentine> You should do a session today tomorrow, and hit up the chat Jack will be hosting this weekend. There are two!!
Koopa> :) oh yeah.. that's where i got it.
Valentine> It brings back good, old memories. :)
Koopa> I've already done one today, but i wanna do another!
Valentine> haha. Let's take it slow!
Valentine> If you want, you can blog about your first session. And then, during the chat, you can ask Jack and others questions.
Koopa> memories of being an mmo virgin?? I can't wait!
Valentine> And don't forget about the KS Articulation!
Valentine> Jack will validate it free online, just post your sound.
Koopa> yes, it's funny already that i get a better feel when i do it along with Jacks KS!
Valentine> :)
Koopa> The initial advice is to practice a week before validating. and i can't get it onto the comp at present.
Valentine> A week to two weeks.
Koopa> How long have you been doing this?
Valentine> But that is just arguing over semantics. The sooner, the better.
Valentine> October, I believe, but I have been slacking for the past month. I have been to busy to get some time to myself. :(
Valentine> I think what you really wanna know is where am I, or what have I experienced.
Valentine> I have had a few orgasms, a very small FBO, and lots of other good stuff
Koopa> already?? since october? that is encouraging.:)
Koopa> do you practice alone or do you have a partner?
Valentine> Everybody advances at a different rate, and in a different way. I would definitely be farther along, but, again, been so busy.
Valentine> I practice alone, working on the partner part. ;)
Koopa> do you practice alone, or do you use this with a partner?
Valentine> I do not have a partner currently.
Koopa> yeah, i'm not sure when to let my partner in on it
Valentine> I know there is an excercise that is suggested by Jack on the first cd/tape
Koopa> oh .. i thought you was working on telling your partner!:confused:
Valentine> haha, I meant I was working on GETTING a partner. :D
Koopa> i would just like to know that i can do this before i mention it, and that it's for real!
Valentine> But, that is a good question to ask Jack on the chat!
Valentine> I totally understand. Would you like my advice? Make sure you take it with a grain of salt.
Valentine> That's not the advice, by the way
Koopa> :D I thought it was!!
Koopa> ok.. what is it??
Valentine> Practice a bit by yourself, get your ks validated, and then about a month into it, tell your partner about it, what you have felt, and that you would really like to do the couples excercise with them. :)
Koopa> Sounds like a Good plan..
Valentine> That gives you time to explore, see if it is real (it is, by the way), and be able to answer any questions your partner will have about it.
Koopa> Is this the place to ask questions? or is there somewhere else for that?:D
Valentine> This is, of course, assuming that you are consistent with the practice, and ask questions, be it in the forum or in chat!
Valentine> This whole place is about answering questions. If you got them, shoot!
Koopa> :rolleyes: where to start?? give me a mo..
Koopa> Erections!! does this KS affect those?
Valentine> My erections are doing just fine, but I think you need to be more specific in your question. Do you mean does it make it stronger, limper, longer, shorter, or something else?
Koopa> when i've tried a ks with an erection, i lose it. but that was before i got the protocol update, so wasn't going about it the right way!
Koopa> once you can start stimulating, can you have the orgasms keeping the erection?
Jack> Warm welcome to our newest Newbie, Koopa the Kwik! And Warm greets to Val and Grandmaster OMG MOG!
Jack> You're in good hands Koopa, with these two guys!
Valentine> haha, ok, you wanna ask Jack that!
Koopa> Hello Jack! thanks for your help getting here..
Jack> (with a gracious nod to Sir Val)... Yes I do in fact have a comment. ;)
Valentine> But I would think you don't want to be stimulating right now, just caressing.
Jack> You're quite welcome, re: getting here! I also hope you'll join us for at least one if not both of the chats I will be hosting here this Saturday. Click the Calendar for detais.
Koopa> please go ahead..
Jack> details, that is.
Jack> I also want to compliment you for jumping right in to the ChatBox and asking questions! That's what it's for! :)
Jack> Ok, re: your question...
Jack> The 20 minute practice sessions are not just a slight variation on traditional masturbation or self-pleasuring.
Koopa> i'd love to if i can make the time that it is
Jack> The goal of the 20 minute practice session is not to maintain erection! There goes another myth in flames!
Jack> Little known but very fascinating fact: as you learn to use the 20 minute practice sessions
Jack> to AWAKEN your innate multiorgasmic response,
Jack> you will likely be rather surprised to discover that some of the [i]most intensei] and profoundly satisfying orgasms will occur
Koopa> yes, i understand and find that fascinating.
Jack> when you have no erection whatsoever!
Jack> Some people panic at this information and say,
Jack> "Yeah but what about intercourse?!"
Koopa> I did a session tonight with no stim, and then a small caress as in the protocol
Jack> Cool that you already understand that fact about erection not being necessary for multiples!
Valentine> Like me!!! I did that. :)
Koopa> it was very interesting.
Jack> Cool x the bofayus! Koopa first (if you don't mind, Val) please tell us what happened! :)
Jack> What did you notice? What surprised you?
Jack> r u typing, Koopa?
Koopa> I had sensations, mainly in my chest, but sometimes in my groin depending
Valentine> His reaction time is slow.
Koopa> if my lower belly rose with the KS, but what surpised me
Jack> That's great re: both chest and groin. Welcome to Echo Effects!
Koopa> is that i got more sensation if i really tried to relax everything including the KS
Koopa> Sorry if i'm slow!!
Valentine> :) It is probably your connection.
Koopa> No.. it's me!!
Jack> GREAT intuition! And a very important connection about how it's actually more RELAXATION that amplifies arousal, rather than more tension. That's a very big lesson to integrate! No worries, re: typing time. I was just checking. ;)
Jack> Please continue...
Jack> Please describe the sensations. This helps you anchor the awareness.
Koopa> I find it very interesting that this method is coming at orgasm from the opposite direction
Jack> Yep, that's why it's so successful! Everybody else has been doing essentially the same thing, and expecting different results!
Koopa> I just wondered how it meets in the middle? hence my question about intercourse and erections.
Jack> So I decided to follow the YIN path to find the answer, and BINGO!
Koopa> ok sensation..
Jack> The short answer is that intercourse will take care of itself... And it's nature is likely to change for you and your partner.
Jack> It won't always be all about intense rapid stroking, although that can sure be fun... You will experience intense orgasms just by looking into each others' eyes.
Jack> You will experience intense orgasm as you even think about beginning intercourse!
Jack> And remember that this method works for people all across the spectrum of gender,
Jack> from 100% male to 100% female, and that huge crowd in between.
Jack> Also remember that the 20 minute practice session is not a rehearsal for intercourse...
Jack> It's purpose is to awaken your innate multiorgasmic response system.
Jack> As a result, if you're lying there practicing The Protocol, and your mind is running concerns about intercourse,
Jack> that falls into the category of what we refer to as Mind Noise...
Jack> It's then time to simply recognize it as such
Jack> and return to the matter at hand (ahem),
Jack> which is to tune in to how you're feeling in that present moment.
Jack> What sensations are you noticing in the moment? Where? And reminding yourself to
Jack> relax even a little more.
Koopa> I gotta get used to this typing!
Jack> LOL you'll get better with practice! Also you can get Dragon Naturally Speaking by Nuance - it
Koopa> ok.. in the chest, it felt like i had an open channel, like i had a tube down there from my throat, but it didn't get all the way down to my groin. It stopped a bit above my belly button.
Jack> does a pretty good job of rapidly converting speech to text.
Jack> That's pretty good for this early in practice!
Koopa> Sometimes when i did a KS the belly roll would get down to my lower abdomen, and that's when i felt something in the groin
Jack> It's really important not to allow expectations to push things, but rather, be the student and let your primary Guru - your Echo Effects - teach YOU. :)
Jack> Yeah that sounds great!
Jack> And the other thing is that you don't have concern yourself about your belly roll,
Jack> WHEN you are articulating the Key Sound(tm) correctly, your belly will do that automatically.
Jack> RE: correctly articulating your Key Sound(tm) - that's why it's very important that a week or so from now,
Koopa> oh, it felt good when it rolled, and then i think i was trying to achieve that with the KS and thats when i found it worked better when i tried to relax the KS
Jack> you go ahead and make a little .mp3 recording of your Key Sounds(tm) (no stimulation necessary - just the ks) and post it to the Validation Forum
Jack> Using the link that's just above this ChatBox on the Forum Home Page.
Jack> That's REALLY COOL how you're figuring out that by relaxing your Key Sound(tm) more, you get stronger results!
Koopa> will do, is an mp3 the only way to record that onto computer?
Jack> By the way I hope that if you haven't yet, you start your blog and document all of this that you're sharing with us. That's also a very important and productive way to anchor and solidify your growing understanding and progress!
Koopa> that info came from the cd where i think Ron said about it riding the breath.
Jack> Well .mp3 is what works best for us here. I'm sure you know somebody who
Jack> can help you figure out how to make an .mp3 recording, you don't have to tell them what it's for! ;)
Valentine> mp3 is the only way you can do it over the computer, but if you save it as a different format, there are programs that will convert it.
Jack> See? Here comes the cavalry! :)
Koopa> I didn't think i had anything to write! but it's coming out now! ok i'll do a blog
Jack> ATTABOY!
Valentine> Off the top of my head, I think I used jodix, it is free, but I won't know until I get home, which will be late.
Jack> Blogging is a very important tool for solidifying your practice, getting help from others such as Valentine, mog, and many others, and ALSO
Jack> for playing your own role in educating, motivating, and inspiring others! That's the synergy of this site!
Jack> BTW, Koopa, Val mentioned he'd had some experiences too. How about you pass him the Talking Stick and he can let us know what's been happening in his practice?
Koopa> ok.. now i'm going to have to make my excuses..
Jack> Everybody gets more than one turn. :)
Jack> HAVE to???
Koopa> Sorry yes passed..
Jack> No apologies necessary.
Jack> k pawso, Val?
Koopa> No it's 12.30am here now and i didn't expect such a warm welcome when i came on.. i thought i'd only be on a few mins, though i would like to listen to Valentine..
Valentine> um, ok? but I haven't had a chance to practice for a month. :(
Koopa> do it now!:D
Valentine> haha, I would love to have a session later tonight, but I won't get home until 7ish, and I have to make lunch for the week, and get to bed by ten.
Valentine> BUT
Valentine> I can say that I have done a spare KS here and there at work and just before bed. I get some nice echo effects.
Valentine> Except for once at work, where I was just stressed out, and nothing happened.
Koopa> :D spare ones?? where do you get them?
Valentine> I'll be back to normal by the end of Feb.
Jack> The find you, you don't get them. ;)
Valentine> oh, you know, they hide behind the ears, like quarters. :D
Jack> [They, not The]
Jack> Good one Val, LOL!
Jack> Also Koopa, another thing about Blog, it reminds with Mog, and Grandmaster Mog at his very young age of 77 and 3+ years' of experience in this practice likes
Valentine> like just now
Valentine> That was a good one!
Jack> to respond to people's blog posts, so that's a very big reason for blogging, cuz then you get Mogging! ;)
Valentine> OH, and check out the glossary and milestones threads!!!!
Jack> That just now report is an important one, Koopa, because it goes to the very important point, that
Jack> as you begin to awaken this response, the Echo Effects(tm) are readily available and accessible.
Jack> Very good point about the Milestones and Glossary Val, thanks for mentioning that!
Jack> Well guys, I need to bail to take care of some other biz, but it's been GREAT talking with you, and giving the MogMan a few gentle loving nudges. :)
Koopa> that sounds good.. i really must go now. thanks very much for such a warm welcome and all the advice already, i will come back to this tomorrow and look at all the suggestions. Many Thanks.
Jack> Til next time, bye for now! And again, WELCOME, Koopa!
Jack> And thanks Mog and Val for giving the laddie such a warm welcome!
Valentine> Bye Jack and Koopa!
Jack> Bye y'all!
Koopa> See you. and Cheers Valentine.
Valentine> Cheers!
Jack> Cheers, Mog! Thanks for all you bring this community! Bye for now! - JJ
artform> Thanks for the repair! ChatBox AOK again!
Koopa> Hi Val, Thanks for the chat last night, i've just posted my life history aka my blog! I can't stop and chat now though i'd like to, but i'm moving house this weekend and have spent hours on my blog instead of sorting the house out!! Hope to get back on here tomorrow.
Valentine> Awesome!
Jack> Hi Artform... I'm just popping in to post a reminder about the chats tomorrow:
Jack> I'll come back later to do it though in case you find somebody to chat with. Sorry I can't hang... wife is waiting for us to go out for a bit.
Jack> Thanks VERY much for all of your work on the Glossary and Milestones! Cheers!
artform> You are most welcome Jack!! This is great fun; and an exploration of interest and feeling too. All the best to you and Mrs. JJ.
Jack> Thanks very much artform, from both of us! :)
Jack> Training Chat Hosted Personally by Jack begins at 1700UTC. Click Calendar link for details and conversion to your local time zone. See you there! PS Next one is at 0200 UTC Sunday Feb 3
Jack> Hey Lopez and Justn - see you in little while!
Jack> For CHAT
Lopez> Hi Jack, I probably won't be able to make the chats today. Although I do have a question for those who are in attendance:
Lopez> "What beliefs do you take into a session?" E.g. (One of your 'beliefs) "I want each and every cell in my body to feel the good feelings."
Lopez> These beliefs/affirmations or visualisations may indexed (much like the 'milestones' suggestion).. Thanks Jack :cool:
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Jack> Hello and Welcome... I'm at your service!
Valentine> Why are all the blogs really skinny?
Jack> I've posted that issue to vbmtor's Queue AND vbmtor is SUPPOSED TO (ahem ahem - prodding vbmtor!) have posted it to the vB Jelsoft Support ticket queue. Thanks for the heads up about it as well. And... Hi Val!
Valentine> HI
Jack> Howzit?
Valentine> I could definitely be better.
Valentine> I am doing a training thing, and it is super early in the morning, and the toll is starting to become unbearable.
Valentine> But only two weeks left
Valentine> I am not a morning person!
Jack> lol, me either, usually. More of a night owl.
Jack> What news on the practice front? Any questions I may help you with?
Valentine> No news. The training has effectively put me on manual with the little time I have to myself, if you get my drift.
Valentine> I did take a 'the art of sexual magic' class
Jack> Yep.
Jack> Blow and go mode, eh?
Jack> Yeah? What did you learn?
Valentine> how to weave in tantra, balance chakra, using crystals during sex, how to treat crystals, and touched a bit on manifesting
Valentine> focused alot on PONR, which was the only thing I didn't like
Jack> That all integrates very well with KSMO practice. Use KSMO to raise the energy then direct it into those intentions!
Jack> Yep re: PONR, that's pretty much what everybody except me teaches.
Jack> That's why I decided to make the Discovery I was fortunate enough to accomplish!
Valentine> One of the questions I had for Pan deals with how to use the KSMO with manifesting
Jack> ahem
Jack> 's ok to ask Jack too. He's had a little practice and taught Pan KSMO. ;)
Valentine> :) Jack, how do you use KSMO with manifesting??!!
Valentine> And do you know how to weave in tantra?
Valentine> And have you used crystals???
Jack> tantra - of course!
Jack> Crystals yes.
Jack> The underlying concept is to use KSMO rather than PONR to get ALL the way into The ZONE where
Jack> the multiple orgasm waves are continuous and as intense as you can stand them or want to, and then direct
Jack> that energy like a LASER into your intentions, to your partner (with consent of course!), to charge crystals, etc.
Jack> Does that make sense?
Valentine> I am curious where you learned how to weave, as that class was the first I had ever heard about the meaning of tantra.
Valentine> Yes, though I have little practice with the manifesting the past week using PONR
Valentine> PONR is so dang frustrating
Valentine> Put its all I got right now:mad:
Valentine> Put = but
Jack> NO SH*T re: PONR! AND to me it was fundamentally counterintuitive! It IGNORES (in sense of ignorant - not as an insult but as in not knowing) that
Jack> orgasm and ejaculation are two SEPARATE reflexes.
Jack> One of my pet peeves is when sex "experts" use the terms orgasm and ejaculation interchangeably. It just
Jack> reinforces the myth that you have to use a C-clamp at the last moment b4 ejaculation to sort of cheat nature. Baloney. Sorry, I get
Valentine> By the way, I am totally a sex expert now, I got certificate after the four hour class. :)
Jack> a little steamed about the consequences of continuing to perpetuate that myth.
Jack> No Blame. Perseverance furthers, saith the I Ching. (JJ reminding himself of that!)
Jack> Oh congratulations on becoming a sex expert! :)
Jack> Amaze your friends! Attract Women! Success in Business!
Valentine> I really enjoyed the class and the teacher. He is teaching a crystals basics class later. I am interested, as he did alot of cool things with them in the class!
Jack> But seriously, I applaud your continuing to expand your understanding of these arts!
Jack> Cool! What are some examples that impressed you?
Valentine> Well the first thing he did was say, as he held up a skull crystal, 'if you have looked at this crystal, I can control you. Who doesn't beleive me?'
Valentine> And I immediately raised my hand, so did an older woman, and he had us come up to the front
Valentine> He first energy tested us with candy, like Donna Eden teaches.
Valentine> both of us were weak on candy, but strong by ourselves
Valentine> then he did 'tapped' into the energy of the crystal skull and energy tested us again, both weak
Valentine> I was impressed
Jack> RE: like Donna Eden does... Please describe for our readers how that works.
Valentine> I am not very good at it yet, but basically, you have two people, tester and testee
Valentine> testee sticks an arm out, and tester trys to push the arm down, to get a baseline
Valentine> then, you can test all sorts of things, like lies, how food will affect you, etc.
Valentine> if you are weak, you can push the arm down VERY easily
Valentine> Watching someone else do it, it looks like a scam, until it is done on you
Valentine> good?
Valentine> for the readers, you can take a look on youtube, and search for 'energy testing'
Jack> GREAT! Thanks!
Jack> You're a good teacher!
Valentine> He also passed around two necklaces of garnet that had been charged with lots of orgasms
Jack> Whoa handle with gloves!
Jack> :)
Jack> Or have somebody to catch you if it knocks you off your feet.
Valentine> I wasn't able to get a read off of it, but the woman that did the weaving demo with the teacher, got flushed when she put it on
Valentine> Since they were weaved, so did the teacher!
Jack> :)
Valentine> He was in mid sentence, and was knocked back a bit.
Jack> Hi JWsp, Welcome! I hope you'll join us in the Chat!
Jack> LOL re: knocked back. Like I said... have somebody to catch you, lol!
Valentine> He showed how the crystals increased the aura, and how you could use them during sex, and what his experience was with different kinds of stones
Valentine> I gots a customer BRB
Jack> May I ask what kind of business you're in? (Without jeopardizing your privacy of course!)
Valentine> Property manager for RV storage
Valentine> Ok, the class did weaving too, with a partner, which was cool, except my partner wasn't very talkative.
Jack> Oh yeah when they knock, you gotta answer! :-)
Valentine> I didn't get a chance to figure out what she felt when we did the excercise
Jack> How many units under your watchful eye?
Jack> RE: how she felt... That's too bad you didn't get a chance to have that feedback.
Jack> What's your intuition?
Valentine> 550+
Valentine> Well, I was super nervous, and she was the teachers aid
Jack> Wow re: # of units. That's a LOT of responsibility!
Jack> I hear you re: nervous / the teacher's aid.
Valentine> I felt her connect to two of my chakras. But all I got when I thought I had connected to her was a nod.
Jack> What's your intuition about her experience of the session?
Valentine> It felt like a needle
Valentine> I think that was becuase I was so dang nervous, though
Valentine> It was weird, cuz we did this really intimate thing, and then didn't talk to eachother.
Jack> Well she may not have been 100% consensual about the intimacy.
Jack> If she's working for the teacher, that puts pressure on her.
Jack> That's my Blink on it, any way.
Valentine> Well, that makes sense, as I was super nervous too!
Jack> Also, don't forget the concept of emotional furballs. They can surface without warning (almost by definition!) when
Jack> raising this kind of power.
Jack> And if they came up in the context you're describing, she may
Jack> have had to just stuff them. Women are SO programmed in our
Jack> culture to do that ANYway!
Valentine> Anyways, that is over now.
Jack> My Blink just got stronger.
Valentine> I guess that is what it's like to have a one night stand. haha
Valentine> That's all I can think of about the class.
Jack> Yeah kind of a New Age one night stand - with an audience! Blink Blink! ;)
Valentine> Lol
Jack> Is it any surprise that although it's all about being IN your body, she may have been to some degree in a just-opposite kind of space emotionally?
Jack> And like I said, that is a VERY VERY familiar situation, especially for women!
Valentine> Man, crazy pressure!
Jack> VERY!
Valentine> You know, I might need to get some crystals someday.
Jack> Anything else you'd like to discuss?
Jack> Sure, re: crystals! When you said that I saw that garnet necklace!
Valentine> um, nope
Jack> Delicious!
Jack> < was re: the garnet crystals.
Jack> Have you been contributing to the Milestones and Glossary projects?
Jack> I haven't had a chance to check in much, in detail. Just very quickly so far.
Valentine> more the glossary than the milestons, but that is because I haven't been practicing for the past month, so no milestons.
Jack> I hear you.
Jack> It'd be nice if you'd let yourself practice at least once a week, with NO expectations... just to maintain some continuity.
Valentine> This monday is looking good.
Valentine> but in two weeks, Back to be being a night owl!
Jack> RE: Monday, that's great!
Jack> RE: In two weeks... when you get to that point, just treat it like any other meditation, not like getting off or anything. Just allowing the energy to move.
Jack> No expectations.
Jack> And if you can do it at the beginning of your wakefulness period rather than at the end, then you can carry
Jack> that energy through your "day" even when your "day" is at night! ;)
Valentine> Awesome, sounds like a plan!
Jack> Great!
Valentine> Crystals are expensive!!
Jack> Yeah, because they are in such demand!
Jack> Are we about talked out for today? :) I'm gonna take a very short break then stick around til top of the hour. Then I'll be back at 0200UTC (6pm PST).
Valentine> I am talked out for now. :)
Jack> Ok, will talk with you later then. Have a GREAT day, and THANKS!
Koopa> Hi Jack, Hi Val, I've managed to get on.. late i know!
Jack> Hey Koopa! Sorry you missed Valentine's sharing but it's in the transcript.
Koopa> Yes i've just read it..
Jack> No worries Koopa, don't know if you can make it, but there'll be another chat at 0200 UTC, that's 6pm PST. What time zone are you in, Koopa?
Jack> Ok GREAT! I'm glad you got a chance to read the transcript!
Koopa> I'm on gmt london.
Jack> Ah... so the second chat may be a wee bit late for you then eh? :)
Koopa> I've got a question but it'd probably take me 10 mins to explain. what time is that chat in gmt?
Jack> 0200 :(
Koopa> oh..
Jack> This is the one intended for Europeans as it started at 1700 GMT.
Koopa> is there somewhere to post a question?
Jack> How about the short version of the question?
Jack> Also, I've done a cursory initial read of your GREAT blog post. First, please don't promise to make shorter posts - Use the blog to get it all out!!!
Jack> One other suggestion, and that is, at least once a week,
Koopa> :confused: I need to explain it.. it's not a yes or no question.
Jack> or maybe at least twice - your call - incorporate that single touch or caress into the practice.
Koopa> It'll take a fe paragraphs to explain
Koopa> fe=few
Jack> Also, re: physical position - the positions in the audio seminar are recommendations, not mandatory. It's important to find positions that are optimally comfortable for you.
Jack> Sure, go ahead please... Thanks!
Jack> (re: positions, and practice generally - make adjustments to RELAX any tension - be that position, voice, whatever).
Koopa> with the question, i'll put it in a blog, then you or anyone can comment, as i wan't to keep up with what your saying now..
Jack> I really liked the part where you said you were playing with the sensations. That's an excellent attitude in my opinion! ;)
Koopa> I thought the bed would be comfortable, but I need to adjust slightly
Jack> I can't stand the suspense! What is your question?
Koopa> I get my best KS's in the car.. but I can't do much carressing or anything else in there!
Jack> Just press the Enter key every so often so I can start reading it, and yes do also post the longer more detailed version to your blog! :D
Koopa> Right the question!
Jack> Are you actually driving when you are doing this?
Koopa> no..
Jack> ok.
Koopa> I used to park up and practice singing in my car.. now i do KS!
Jack> Driving while practicing is a serious no no.
Jack> Puts yourself and others at risk!
Jack> Whew!
Koopa> :D it's much more enjoyable..
Koopa> and sounds better!
Jack> Please go ahead with your question (jeez, talk about foreplay! LOL).
Jack> Have you tried a sitting position when you practice at home? Many people favor that and get great results!
Jack> Oh, also, have you got the second audio seminar yet?
Jack> If not, I recommend that you do so:
Jack> How to Last Longer in Bed | The Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Secure Ordering Page
Koopa> :D:D:D No i can't.. I'm going to write it as a blog, because it is something i've done, that has caused a reaction, and it's gonna take time to get it all down. I will start immediately, and then if you want you can have a look.. is that ok?
Jack> The whole thing is Key Sound(tm) training. It's VERY good, if I may say... Others have said, too!
Jack> Yes that's fine! Go ahead and blog. Fill up our server!!! :D
Koopa> No i haven't thought of sitting at home :o
Jack> Let it ALL out, Brother!
Jack> THIS is THE Place for that!!!
Jack> Yeah try sitting, plus any other positions you feel inspired to.
Jack> The Protocol is a set of guidelines, not a straitjacket. :)
Jack> Let your sense of relaxation and your resultant Echo Effects be your Primary Guru. Let THEM guide you to positions and practice that is optimum for YOU.
Jack> And also realize that what is optimum at one stage may evolve into different forms over time. That's all part of The Adventure, OK? :)
Koopa> How about on the toilet? would that be safe for other users?:)
Jack> Now that is I think the first time in my 15 years working with this that I've heard that idea, I think, and I LOVE it!!!
Jack> Just as long as somebody else doesn't need access!!! LOL.
Jack> You can REALLY let it all GO in that instance.
Jack> Only thing is, it is a hard seat unless you have one of those inflatable toilet seats,
Koopa> Sorry, you just made me laugh with the foreplay remark, and then the sitting position!
Jack> so you make start cutting off blood flow to your legs, especially as you relax.
Koopa> ok, where was i?
Jack> But if that's the case, just end the session sooner, or just
Koopa> :D:D:D stop it!!:D:D
Jack> migrate to the bed or a chair or whatever / wherever when you feel the need or desire to.
Jack> ROFLMAO! Go ahead, puhleez! :)
Koopa> I've lost track now..
Jack> Oh JEEEEEEEZ!!! You're TORTURING ME!
Koopa> right i think i should go start on the blog, should be ready in about 15mins
Jack> Ok!
Jack> I'm needing to take a break as I've been in channel for 3 hours plus, but I will indeed look at it later. Can't say I'll have
Koopa> If your still around i'd like to know your response back here if you like or i can wait for your rsponse to the blog
Koopa> should i check back here in 15 mins?
Jack> a response for you before you go to bed tonight but by tomorrow there will be. Ok?
Jack> I won't be here. I'm toast, for now.
Jack> Patience, Grasshoppa! :)
Koopa> yeah, ok.. i will get on with it, and have a look in tomorrow,
Koopa> many thanks, and i'm still laughing!:D
Koopa> Cheers Jack, bye for now..
Jack> Me too! I was just about to type that!
Jack> That is the PERFECT frame of mind for practice, btw!
Jack> This is JOYFUL, not a chore! ;)
Koopa> look.. do you want to see this question or not??:D
Koopa> if i start practicing now, i'll never get it done!
Jack> Oh
Jack> My
Jack> God!
Jack> Yes Yes Yes THE QUESTION!!! Open the Envelope, PLEASE!
Jack> GAWD what a TEASE you are!!!
Koopa> :D ..ok ok.. catch you later.. i'm on it..
Jack> On the other hand, maybe you should just blog it.
Jack> :D:D:D:D:D
Koopa> what envelope?:confused:
Jack> Ok, I now have to step away from keyboard before I crack totally up! Talk with you later, you RASCAL!
Jack> re: Envelope... didn't you ever watch the Oscars, or a quiz show?
Jack> And the Winner IS... May I have the Envelope Please!...
Koopa> No.. :D but i am now blogging. hope to catch you tomorrow, cheers Jack.
Jack> Go Blog Yourself! ;)
Jack> Ok, this has been quite a ride! LMAO. Bye for now!
Jack> *******End Hosted Chat - Feel Free To Talk Among Yourselves! :D *****
Jack> NEXT CHAT BEGIN at 6pm PST Satudrday - That's TONIGHT, here... in UTC it's 0200 Sunday Feb 3
Valentine> Ok, I really wanna read Koopa's question now!
Jack> Hi! Hoping to chat with at least some of you at the later chat - 9PM EST, 0200 UTC, bfn, Jack
Koopa> My Blog is up!!
Koopa> 15 minutes!! that was a laugh!
Koopa> Goodnight to you all.. (well it is where i am!..) ;)
Valentine> That is a nice second blog, Koopa!
Valentine> Unfortunately, I can't help you.
Valentine> We do, however, have another member that has practiced some taoism: artform
Laly> hi
Koopa> Hi Valentine, thanks, I was just reading some other blogs and coments.These blogs are so useful! Was I doing taoism? I thought I'd managed to wander off of all the paths! and had ended up on my own somewhere!
Koopa> Hi Laly, and Loosecannon
Laly> hi kooopa
Koopa> :) how many ooo's..
Laly> sorry- been a long day for me already koopa
Laly> my apologies on the extra O
Koopa> that's ok.. I'm pretty new here, but i think i've read about you.. You are female aren't you?
Laly> yes
Koopa> oh, that is very interesting. hope you don't mind me saying..
Laly> say what?
Koopa> can i ask you about your experiences on here?
Laly> interesting in what way koopa?
Laly> of course
Laly> what would you like to know :)
Koopa> well, i'm interested in how the orgasms for a man using Ks might be similar to what women feel, what do you think?
Laly> it is possible-- that varies person to person
Laly> in my experience -- KS orgasms of mine .. well
Koopa> mmm.. do you do the KS?
Laly> in the beginning i did
Laly> i do not need to use KS at all to trigger orgasms
Laly> now
Koopa> this is interesting.. what was it like for you before KS?
Laly> my life before this program-- was very dismal
Laly> i was very bitter and angry at self
Laly> at an early age i was sexually molested and later raped at at 16
Laly> at age
Koopa> Oh!!
Koopa> so has Ks been good for you? I can't believe how nice the people are on here!
Laly> oh yes- i say the KS saved my life
Koopa> Wow..
Koopa> Have you blogged much on here?
Laly> yes
Koopa> oh yes, i've just seen 26 entries, that's quite alot! i've done .. 2!
Laly> Last longer in bed using the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ - Laly
Laly> :)
Koopa> Is that a link?
Laly> if i wasnt so tired right now-- i'd be blogging an entry
Lopez> :rolleyes:
Koopa> sorry silly question!
Koopa> got news??
Laly> lol - is ok koopa
Laly> hi lopez (HUGS)
Lopez> hi Koopa the Kwik :D
Laly> i'll share it in chat koppa if i get a chance to share :)
Laly> koopa
Lopez> hi Lovely Laly
Koopa> hello Lopez.. you see the kwik??
Laly> awww- lovely :)
Laly> am blushing
Lopez> na I don't see the Kwik.. although I do miss it :)
Jack> *******Begin Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Training Chat Hosted by Jack Johnston MA 20080202 Second Session
Jack> Hi folks... Jack is Back! ;)
Lopez> hi Jumpin' Jack :D
Laly> hi jack
Koopa> Hi Jack
Jack> Just not too loud on an airplane, right? ;)
Laly> yep
Jack> Say hello to some of the veterans in the House tonight, too! To Drew - Join Date: (in NEW old O'Reilly Forum: May 9 1997 and even before that!) and Loosecanon1: Join date: August 29 2001!
Laly> koopa asked a great question earlier jack :)
Jack> What's that?
Koopa> did I??:confused:
Laly> i'm interested in how the orgasms for a man using Ks might be similar to what women fee
Laly> feel
Lopez> hello Dearest Drew!
Laly> (and yes u did koopa)
Drew> Hi Lopez!
Jack> In most fundamental sense how can one answer that question? Yet, we can
Jack> certainly share our own experience from our own place on the gender spectrum and compare...
Jack> identify similarities, distinctions, while realizing that the distinctions may not necessarily be a function of gender, when it comes to the FELT experience.
Jack> Laly might be a good one start on that topic, since there is far more male experience documented in this forum (so far) than female experience. So Laly, given that you have probably read more posts in this Forum than just about anybody,
Laly> true :)
Jack> and given your own experience, what would you say the similarities are, and what might be some distinctions, if not based on physiological gender, perhaps simply distinctions between one person's experience and another's, one of whom happens to be female. :)
Jack> Good question, btw, Koopa!
Jack> I'd say you have the Talking Stick, Ms. Laly, if you want it!
Laly> similarities--1. the echo effects generally felt -- NO MATTER where they are flt
Laly> felt-- not fit :rolleyes:
Jack> Yeah, we want to the Google indexer to index the keywords and phrases correctly ;)
Jack> So, also, as one of my high school English teachers used to write on people's essays: Please do not abbrev. ;)
Laly> 2. the elation felt or pleasure felt
Laly> (abbreviate?? where did i do that ???)
Laly> these 2 are fundamental (In my humble opinion)
Laly> for KS orgasms
Koopa> can i say something?
Laly> yes koopa--
Koopa> you probably haven't read my second blog yet.. but
Koopa> The feelings i got that i wrote about in my second blog, when i was trying not to let the prostate contract by forced relaxation, were how my partner feels to me when she orgasms, ie, like she opens up to me, and her vagina and anus feel like they have given up and just relax!
Koopa> does that feel anything like you've experienced Laly?
Laly> i had to learn to relax those muscles
Koopa> so before was you tense?
Laly> and i have not shared KS with a partner/man yet
Laly> i would tense up yes
Laly> before KS program
Laly> but as I told you-my story is unique koopa
Laly> as for dis-similaries
Laly> dis-similarities (sorry)
Laly> )
Laly> where orgams are generally felt can be different
Laly> for me -- the are rarely in the genital area-- like some men's (and other woman's- for that fact )
Koopa> I think the common thread is definitely the relaxation. I have never been relaxed before starting KS
Laly> hmmm...nice catch koopa :)
Koopa> whereas a woman can relax and enjoy (if she is enjoying it), i was forever trying
Laly> relaxation and allowing self to be 'open' and trusting in the process
Laly> OHH-- eeek
Koopa> What??
Laly> it took me time to relax and trust myself koopa-- about 2 months
Laly> re: comment whereas a woman can relax and enjoy
Koopa> i understand that.
Laly> okay
Koopa> does anyone else want to speak?
Laly> yeah-- open this up :)
Jack> Laly, maybe clarify your eek for the other readers. :)
Laly> i did jack
Jack> I also hope we'll hear from Drew and greyx about this, if they're willing!
Laly> re: comment whereas a woman can relax and enjoy
Laly> i was just concerned koopa was generalizing all women with that comment
Jack> Lol, there's an echo in here... small e echo... pls continue.
Laly> that it was 'easier' to relax for women than men
Koopa> Not at all.. i said, if she's enjoying it..
Laly> (sorry for duplicate lines ) :o
Laly> not all women 'enjoy' them koopa
Koopa> no i know, one of my previous girlfriends had gone through something very similar, i do understand.
Laly> or have experienced an orgasm at all
Laly> thanks jack-- I was trying to aviod going into that arena -- rape /incest
Jack> And also because both some men and some women are so programmed by our culture to perform... I really detest that word when used in reference to sexuality! Please continue.
Laly> of ALL my orgasms, singles and mulitples
Laly> i can only think of two being genital area centered
Laly> i think that women are more apt to be responsive to heartgasms
Laly> only in fact of enculturalization of men and holding back of feelings/emotions
Jack> [ re: only two... so far... ]
Laly> (i apologize for spelling errors )
Laly> orgasms to date then :P
Koopa> so it sounds like the KS affects your whole body similarly to men!
Jack> [ re: spelling errors don't sweat them... you can edit transcript when posted to Raw Transcripts area, load into an ascii text editor and run a spellchecker on the transcript - Google site search will like that - please continue ]
Laly> yes koopa
Koopa> that seems like common sense to me now, as we are primarily the same except for our genitals!
Laly> :)
Koopa> that has answered my question alot! thank you..
Laly> your welcome
Jack> One aspect that is very hopeful to me, and has been since I started this work, is that all of the differences described so far are not differences inherent to gender, but effects of cultural impacts and socialization, however brutal at times it may have been! That's why this work is so important to me, by the way. "pc" (i.e., please continue ;) )
Jack> If I may add one more comment here. re: same except for genitals. Here's a little known but fascinating fact:
Laly> if you could see me right now-- the tears are streaming down my face
Koopa> I never expected to get an answer.. in fact i thought it was impossible to answer!
Jack> Over 90% of our entire nervous system is virtually full developed before gender even begins to differentiate in the fetus!
Laly> :)-- see what happens when you expect one thing-and it wasnt that at all koopa ;)
Laly> and very true Jack
Jack> i.e., we are mostly wired in a very similar way. Vive la différence! to be sure... But it's important to me to inform about our shared experience and physiological heritage (and hence predispositions) as well.
Koopa> yeah alright.. :p
Jack> Re: impossible, Koopa. A BIG part of the work done here is identifying and disspelling, as in breaking the binding spell, of thought forms such as framing things as impossible, or adding that all important phrase as yet to certain statements of our past learned limitations. And also to promote awareness and transcendance of those learned limitations of thought patterns.
Koopa> i was thinking about that too, ie, how a penis would be a clitoris if the babies a girl, and maybe the prostate is the female G spot
Jack> Transcendance as in trance end dance!
Laly> :D
Jack> As we do this work of disspelling, it's natural to feel shame or embarrassment when the patterns are identified, but that shame too is part of the binding character of the oppressive spell. As counsels the I Ching, the Chinese Book of Changes: No Blame. Perseverance Furthers... ;)
Jack> In fact, that is the most common phrase that occurs in the Book of Changes.
Laly> :)
Jack> Would Drew and or greyx care to comment?
Laly> (Drew is sleeping right now)
Jack> Please do speak up, if willing. We value your thoughts and experience!
Jack> As well as your questions!
Koopa> (Is this a good place to come to sleep?)
Jack> Drew must be sleeping at the keyboard as he is showing as logged in. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case. He loves his Mac, lol! :D
Laly> (softly chuckles as not to wake Drew- agrees with jack)
Jack> Sure Koopa, as long as you don't fall asleep ON the keyboard and start sending massive strings of characters and overloading the ChatBox server, lol!
Laly> we had a big day today Jack- the FC workshop
Jack> Yeah, I hope it went well!
Jack> FC = Family Constellation workshop, btw.
Laly> it did and didnt
Laly> for me anyway
Jack> If work is being done. :)
Laly> well-- i passed out literally Jack
Laly> :(
Laly> and no one knew that--thought i was just laying on floor
Jack> Whoa!
Laly> it was the biggest group we had to date- and the most i had to deal with
Laly> regarding my group anxiety worries
Jack> Yeah that's a LOT of stimulus for a sensitive Lady.
Laly> yeah--emotionally overload
Jack> Especially since it's not a passive crowd, but there's a lot of emotional energy, much of it painful, probably running in the group.
Laly> i mentioned this anxiety to the group when i introduced myself
Laly> yes jack
Laly> it took ALOT of courage to step AND stay in the room
Laly> the whole day
Jack> That's great that you broke the silence about the anxiety you were feeling.
Laly> i am so wiped out right now
Laly> thanks--
Jack> Breaking the silence rather than stuffing the feelings is a BIG step in recovery.
Jack> RE: wiped out, what would be a prudent decision for you at this time, to take care of yourself?
Laly> :D
Laly> *chuckling-- that I should head to bed
Jack> And your choice about that?
Laly> am heading that way :)
Laly> nite Jack
Jack> ATTAGirl!
Jack> Nite, Laly... Thanks for being here this evening and sharing all you have!
Laly> as always -- you are welcome Jack :D
Laly> love and light to everyone :)
Jack> Same to you m'dear!
Jack> And good night to greyx, wherever in the Forum you may be.
Koopa> goodnight Laly, nice to have met you.
Jack> Good night Koopa!
Jack> Thanks for jumpin' right in to our community process! It's great to have your energy here!
Koopa> Cheers Jack, i didn't want to hog the stage though. but it was extremely interesting
Koopa> and like i said, i didn't think that question could be answered.
Koopa> are you off now?
Koopa> ok.. good night all.
Jack> Good night Koopa! Get some rest. :)
Jack> Wishing you all the very best, and once again Welcome!!!
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zeitgeist> Hi to laly,vbmtor, lopez and to any non members viewing today
zeitgeist> I've just posted my latest entry into the forum
zeitgeist> Interesting.. is the time in the chatbox Pacific time?
zeitgeist> cos its 15.52gmt/utc right now :)
Laly> yes -- chat box is in PST zeit :)
tandello> Lately, I've had a few that have resulted in an interesting later manifestation.
tandello> About 8 hours afterwards I would have a very prolonged miniorgasm sensation. It would rise and fall in intensity. Sometimes rather distracting. Fortunately, i was alone at the time.
tandello> Body waves are more frequent than they use to be. Usually with each session.
tandello> Overall, the practice has been much more enjoyable since Jack made modifications to understanding the procedures.
tandello> Enjoy everyone. I'll see you later.
Jack> re: tandello's comment about my having made modifications to understanding procedures... I have always and will continue to be grateful to each of you for teaching me how to teach you! :)
Jack> Hi Mog!
Koopa> Jack Jack Jack!!! are you there??? I do believe I just had a KSMO!!!! and I can't believe it!!! :D
Lopez> Write about it in your blog Koopa :D Congrats buddy
Koopa> I will blog it tomorrow.. as it's 1.40am here now.. but I have never felt anything like that in my life!! Thank you my friend.. I will try to catch you tomorrow, but as i am moving house tomorrow, i will be losing my internet connection about 4pm my time!
Koopa> Thanks Lopez i will certainly do that..
Koopa> :D:D:D
Lopez> I feel your excitement :cool:
Jack> G'day Lopez!
Jack> Wow that's VERY cool to see Koopa's post here. Sorry I missed the details, but look forward to them in his blog. Congratulations KoopAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!:D:D
naibirdaway> hello
naibirdaway> anyone here
Lopez> Hey Jackaroo :) Hi naibirdaway
Jack> Hi to both of you!
Jack> You guys still here?
Lopez> yeppo
Jack> Hey Lopez! naibirdaway - you still around? And Warm Welcome to Newest Newbie naibirdaway!
Jack> Lopez, I do believe naibirdaway is your neighbor, a Kiwi!
Lopez> reading zeitgeist's thread "From the first encouraging signs" :D
Lopez> true? sweet as brother
Jack> You are, or he is?
Jack> lol re: brother.
Jack> My ? was re: which of you is reading zeit's post?
Lopez> i am re: reading
Jack> Roger, copy... VERY exciting about Koopa's news, eh?
Lopez> hehe yeah :D he was very excited
Lopez> Koopa the very QUICK
Jack> LOL.
Lopez> I'll be updating my blog later tonight.. and will be taking a two week break. I am going to a 10 day Vipassana meditation retreat on Wednesday ;)
Jack> Ok great, re: blog update. SUPER GREAT re: vipasana retreat... you're taking a new skill with you... could be interesting!
Jack> We'll certainly miss you!!!
Jack> Can you stick around a wee bit now, to see if naibirdaway resurfaces in the chatbox? I need to review somebody's Key Sound(tm) for validation.
Lopez> Yep. I've always wanted to go and feel that many aspects of my life will be served by my attendance (including KSMO) :)
naibirdaway> hi
naibirdaway> sorry
naibirdaway> im here
naibirdaway> are u
Lopez> Yep
Jack> Hey there!
naibirdaway> hi
naibirdaway> im new to the forum
Jack> Warm Welcome, Newest Newbie naibirdaway!
naibirdaway> how do i use it?
Jack> Lopez lives in your neighborhood! ;)
naibirdaway> really?
naibirdaway> where?
Lopez> Sydney, Australia
naibirdaway> im in toronto canada
Lopez> ohhh you live in Jack's neighbourhood ;)
Lopez> which I think is Sidney, Canada haha
naibirdaway> Where is he
Jack> Oh! I mistook you for another chap! Thot you were a Kiwi!
naibirdaway> haaha
Jack> I live parttime, expat, in the OTHER Sidney - BC!
naibirdaway> i need some help with my control
Jack> RE: ejaculation control? or?
naibirdaway> i have tried the deep breathing from the belly
naibirdaway> yes
naibirdaway> ejaculation
naibirdaway> the some days i have control some does not
naibirdaway> dont know what it is
Jack> Well when you practice this method according to the Protocol pdf ahem... you will begin to feel new relief and hope!
naibirdaway> protocol pdf?
naibirdaway> where is that?
Jack> Have you had a chance to listen to at least the introductory audio seminar, if not also the second one, on Key Sound(tm) training?
naibirdaway> yes the first one
naibirdaway> deep belly breathe aahhhAAAH
Jack> Did you purchase my first audio seminar, Male Multiple Orgasm Step by Step?
naibirdaway> breathing out from the belly instead of in the chest
Jack> It's not an ahhh sound.
naibirdaway> yes
naibirdaway> i probably just need more practice
Jack> don't worry about your belly. :-) When you articulate the Key Sound correctly, your belly will move the way it needs to, automatically.
Jack> Well, it doesn't further to do more practice if there are misunderstandings, or if you are not articulating the Key Sound correctly.
naibirdaway> so i guess i will just know when it work
Jack> I'd say what you need is more information, plus some feedback about the accuracy or INaccuracy of your Key Sound(tm) articulation.
Jack> Oh, you'll DEFINITELY know when it starts working, but meantime, slow yourself down a bit, and let us teach you, ok?
naibirdaway> ok
naibirdaway> im ready to be taught
Jack> So right now even, just take a moment to realize that you are now in a very supportive, accepting community that will teach you not only how to transcend premature ejaculation, but also how to tap in to a multiorgasmic reservoir that is FAR FAR beyond what you believed possible.
naibirdaway> so wat do i from here
Jack> (My browser crashed, had to restart)
naibirdaway> ok
Jack> First, you begin your Great Adventure starting NOW...
naibirdaway> i was just saying what do i from here
Jack> You do that by right now taking a moment to slow yourself down. Slow your breathing down. Become AWARE of slowing your breathing down.
naibirdaway> ok
Jack> Not how your EMOTIONS and your body respond by doing that simple act.
Jack> NOTE non "Not" :-)
Jack> As you do this, you may become aware of certain emotions, that surface. If these are uncomfortable emotions,
Jack> we refer to them here as Emotional Furballs... unfinished emotional business that you more or less cough up emotionally as a cat coughs up a hairball it can't digest.
Jack> Are you slowing your breathing down right now? Not forcing it, just gently slowing down your pace.
Jack> naibirdaway, are you still with us?
naibirdaway> yes
naibirdaway> i can slow my breathin
naibirdaway> i feel fine
naibirdaway> not uncomfortable at all
naibirdaway> feel good
naibirdaway> :)
Jack> Good re: feeling fine. I hear you say you "can" slow... are you slowing down your breathing right now?
Jack> BTW, I'm not ask you to practice the Protocol, with stimulation, etc. right now.
Jack> I'm just asking you to slow your breathing, ok? In a moment I'm going to ask Brother Lopez for his input, too. First, I have another question for you, OK?
Jack> naibirdaway - are you there?
Jack> Please stay in touch with us here in the chat if you'd like us to help you, ok?
Jack> What's happening with you?
Lopez> (I'm still here Jack :o )
Jack> Thanks Lopez.
Jack> I'm not sure what's going on with naibirdaway at the moment.
Lopez> ask the question and he will answer in time
Jack> I actually need to leave for a while due to a prior commitment. Can you stick around for a while and see if he responds? May be a connection issue of some kind.
Lopez> yep I'll be around
Jack> Thanks! Perhaps you can share with him the distinction between the ejaculation reflex and the orgasmic reflex, and also
Jack> that the 20 minute practice sessions are not about maintaining erection, etc.
Jack> Also, do you have my cellphone number?
Lopez> Cellphone number? I don't believe I do
Jack> Ok, I just sent it via email. Any issues come up I need to know about right away. Please give me a quick shout. You ok with that?
Lopez> :cool: I'm Ok with it
Jack> You da Man, Bro.
Lopez> last time i checked :rolleyes:
Jack> Ok, I'll ck back in as soon as I get back, if I don't hear from you in the interim. I can call you back on skype as soon as I get back if need be, ok?
Jack> lol. Right on, it's good to check once in a while. ;)
Lopez> Yep... still a Man hahaha
Jack> Thanks for checking. Ahem... :D
Lopez> Ok.. ttyl!
Jack> Ok, I'll be back in about 30 to 45, if you need to leave, I understand.
Lopez> I
Lopez> I'll be here.. no prior engagements today
Jack> cheers, mate... tty soon.
Jack> Thanks again.
Lopez> bfn :)
Jack> :)
Lopez> Hi Val & Monkey Magic
naibirdaway> hi sorry
naibirdaway> was practicing
Lopez> Welcome back, practicing Key Sounds?
naibirdaway> yes
Lopez> any questions?
naibirdaway> i have a relief after i PC squeeze thoguh and supress the ejaculation feeling
naibirdaway> after it feels like im about to ejaculate and i hold it back the felin goies away and im fine after that
naibirdaway> well sometimes
naibirdaway> and then the breathing helps after that feelings of ejaculation is gone
Lopez> have you listened to Jack's training seminars?
naibirdaway> i just had sex and found this
naibirdaway> yea
naibirdaway> the first one
naibirdaway> but i find sometime soon as i get iniside for sex sometimes i just feel to cum quick
naibirdaway> but when i feel like im cummin i can hold it back with a pc muscle squeeze and tjen im ok after that feeling desappears
Lopez> Ok :) It sounds like you, like almost every other male on this planet, have been trained to induce orgasm through vigorous stimulation
Lopez> and like many others in this forum, have learnt that training PC muscles can put a wall up against the ejaculatory reflex
Lopez> at moments just before the PONR, but have found this to be still rather unsatisfactory
Lopez> the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm involves no stimulation
Lopez> the protocol, as found by Jack, moves the individual to relax and be open to one's bodily sensation in response to the deep, husky and resonant sigh (aka the Key Sound)
naibirdaway> ok
naibirdaway> what i will do
naibirdaway> i will listen to the cd again
naibirdaway> then i will come back to u guys
naibirdaway> perhaps i need to practice some more
Lopez> in contrary to societal ideals of male orgasm, this method does not reach for orgasms through stimulation but rather allows the body to feel into its own orgasmic potential
Lopez> Yep.. I would recommend that you listen to the training seminars, and
naibirdaway> yea i have listened to it already
naibirdaway> i will listenin again and practice
naibirdaway> then i will check back with jack
Lopez> read the Protocol pdf that would have been included with your purchase. Follow the protocol strictly .
naibirdaway> is that the best thing to do
naibirdaway> i dont have this protocol
naibirdaway> where do i get that
naibirdaway> i just got an audio cd
Lopez> ok, email jack and he will either send you a link to download the pdf or send you the pdf in the email
Lopez> jack@multiples.com
Lopez> in the title of the email include your username, naibirdaway
naibirdaway> can i not get it on this site somewhere?
naibirdaway> i have purchased the cd tutorial already
naibirdaway> i think jack was going to send it to me earlier but i gt disconnected
Lopez> Hmm.. I'm not sure where you can d/l the pdf from the site (as I've never needed to look). Jack will be on shortly.
naibirdaway> ok
Lopez> I also suggest that it might be beneficial for you to begin practising the Key Sounds outside of the bedroom
Lopez> when you have become proficient at the type of energetic orgasms that are on offer here, there are ways for you to introduce it to the bedroom and with your partner
Lopez> tips which you will also find in the training seminar and in this forum.
naibirdaway> so the cdd tutorial is about having these orgasms w/o sex
Lopez> a point that Jack was coming to (before you got disconnected): the distinction between ejaculation and orgasm
Lopez> Have you discovered the difference between the two, nai?
naibirdaway> no
naibirdaway> well sort of
naibirdaway> like i was sayin before if it feels like im about to orgasm/cum i can hold it back and have this feeling pass over me and supress my ejaculation
Lopez> Ok
Lopez> Ejaculation is merely a muscular reflex. When you cross that threshold (the 'Point of No Return'), your muscles automatically contract, stimulating your prostate and expelling seminal fluid.
Lopez> I've heard Jack compare ejaculation to sneezing ;) They are very similar processes.
Lopez> The confusion is created because often, orgasm accompanies the ejaculatory reflex.
naibirdaway> so how do we cum without sneezing
naibirdaway> ;)
Lopez> For the purposes of this discussion, we will consider orgasm as emotional & energetic experiences. (Something of course which you can too discover when you follow the instructions in the seminar and call on the advice here in the forum)
Lopez> 'Cum' = Ejaculation = Sneezing :D What's taugh here is that there is another way to experience orgasm.. and that way lies outside the realms & ideas of 'traditional' intercourse and ejaculatory methods
Lopez> Many users have reported experiencing waves of orgasmic ecstasy and bliss lasting well past the 5-10 seconds that ejaculatory orgasms offer :)
naibirdaway> nice
Lopez> Mog, a KSMO adept (master), a 77 year old male, who begun practising the methods taught here at the young age of 74 ;) He experiences up to 30 minutes of continuous ecstasy from his use of the Key Sound
naibirdaway> doesnt that before really drainin
naibirdaway> tiring on the body
Lopez> Energetic orgasms through the Key Sound do just that, energize the body rather than deplete it
naibirdaway> so when you transfer that with sex can u have