Shall we hit a few licks on some Forum con

Summary of Chat 0264 (full transcript below):

• Laly joins Jack for a discussion of the Wiki, her progress with counseling, and her break from active KSMO practice.
• Laly and Jack discuss search terms for the Wiki.
• Laly and Jack discuss her counseling sessions and dealing with Furballs.
• Laly has not actively practiced for 10 months and reports still getting Echo Effects. Jack agrees she should not force the Practice and allow events to unfold.
• Laly and Jack resume their discussion of pages for the Wiki.

Session Start: Thu Nov 30 18:01:39 2006
Jack> Hi Laly!
Laly> hi jack
Jack> How about we wait a few for others to arrive before we do checkins - would that be ok?
Laly> sure
Jack> Thanks!
Laly> is the chat notes- in my KSMO editing place an ok place to store them
Laly> the gold mine stuff u asked me to look for
Laly> I mean.
Jack> Yeah in the Forum?
Laly> yes.
Jack> Yes thanks that's great. Then we can take a look, and figure best keyword-likely pages names and what segments etc. This will be great. Did you see I added
Jack> more quick search links at http://www.multiples.com/orgasmsitesearch.html ?
Laly> okay.
Laly> reading those early chats I was like WOW.
Jack> HOLD THAT THOUGHT! :-) Just so others who arrive can see what you have to say. If you have a Notepad maybe open that and jot them down right quick then can paste back in here when others arrive.
Laly> k
Jack> Thanks! I'm really looking forward to hearing which ones you found and what thoughts and feelings they may have evoked! :-)
Laly> yeah- I saw the new search words .
Jack> I can also provide you with a fresh snapshot of the whole forum in threaded html (i.e. The Forum Archive), then you can
Jack> use the Windows Explorer (aka File Manager) to search that fileset's folder for any given phrase. Great way to cast the net, as it were! :-)
Laly> windows explorer??
Laly> I use MAC!!
Laly> lol.
Jack> Oh yeah I forgot. BTW those PC Mac dudes in those commercials crack me up! Ok, what does the (we're not wortheeee!) Mac world use to find phrases in files?
Laly> spotlight
Jack> K, cool. If it'll find phrases in .htm files you'll be good to go.
Jack> Well it's a quarter past, by my clock. How have you been? I've been getting some idea from your very supportive posts in the Forum!
Laly> kewl.
Laly> I've been good
Laly> been working through my last counseling session
Jack> Yeah... the all-important integration phase... along with more release I imagine as well.
Laly> where ** had me "give back" all the pain and suffering to the abuser.
Jack> AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Laly> that was very hard for me
Laly> to let go of.
Jack> Yep that's HIS guilt, etc.!
Jack> Yeah Laly, that's another form of Terror at the Gates!
Laly> yeah .
Jack> Now you know the roadsigns a lot better. :-)
Jack> You takin' it easy, then?
Laly> got a lil uncomfortable when she asked about sexually attraction.
Laly> I think that is a first I actually blushed.
Jack> Yeah that's a big leap of faith in learning whom to trust.
Laly> wasn't trust I was concerned with
Laly> it was the complete change of topic Jack.
Jack> Like outta the blue?
Laly> yeah
Jack> Where are you with that now?
Laly> well...I know that he was not himself that nite
Laly> behavior wise I mean.
Jack> Yeah.
Laly> up to that point he was kind and gentle.
Jack> That's really sad.
Jack> for me anyway.
Laly> for me too- been pondering that
Laly> lately, what is was that changed in him that nite.
Jack> Do you keep a private journal?
Laly> no
Laly> afraid to keep something physical like that laying around
Jack> Depending on what your counselor thinks, it can be a good tool for between sessions.
Jack> Yeah I understand THAT too.
Jack> That can also be a good question to ask **'s help in sorting out... Where CAN you
Jack> have a space like that... not online or anything but a safe 4-space place.
Jack> physical place.
Jack> Just a suggestion. :-)
Laly> yeah -
Laly> Drew and I talk in between too.
Jack> Another lense through which to view your life experience, and perhaps gain additional understanding, perspective, and healing.
Jack> Yeah that is REALLY great!
Laly> that is why KSMO and WIKI site is very important to me
Jack> How so?
Laly> is gives me the place to share my thoughts and feelings.
Laly> even if it is not really KSMO related
Jack> Yeah that it can. I think it's also a good idea to have a physically private place where you might be
Jack> able to keep a journal - etc. Take a space that is really yours - even if at the location of a trusted friend, or a bank safe deposit box, or whatever. Like I said, it _might_ be a productive path to explore with your counselor.
Laly> yeah, I understand what you are saying.
Jack> Yeah I sense that you do. :-)
Jack> Anything else KSMO related you might like to discuss this evening?
Laly> there's few things that Drew doesn't know.
Laly> yeah , there is.
Jack> I hear ya re: Drew. :-) re: there is, pls continue. :-)
Laly> is regarding those Echo Effects
Jack> Yes pls, re: Echo Effects ... you're saying?
Laly> it has been 10 months since I last actively practiced
Jack> Wow.
Laly> yeah- drew said same thing
Laly> anyway for me that IS a long time
Jack> Yeah! I remember!
Jack> How do you feel about that?
Laly> I miss it
Laly> but that urge for a practice is not there
Laly> and I know FORCE shouldn't be a factor
Laly> in practice.
Jack> My hunch is to _trust that_ feeling.
Jack> Agreed re: not forcing. For _sure_.
Laly> try and not worry about this -
Laly> but has been on my mind none-the-less.
Laly> I mean the echos to heartgasms , I still get those.
Jack> Right.
Laly> be a very sad day when those disappear
Jack> Is that what you know is going to happen?
Laly> not know, just afraid that may happen.
Jack> Yeah, I think it's important to be able to recognize that as a fear rather than a fact.
Laly> true.
Laly> giving voice to it
Laly> out in the open.
Jack> Yes... where it is safe and appropriate to do so.
Jack> For you and any others present.
Laly> so I've been listening to Kelly Howell's 'Ecstasy' cd once to twice a week
Laly> experimenting to see what happens.
Laly> I reach a certain plateau and that's as far as I get
Laly> I feel that there one or two blocks I am feeling.
Jack> Well you're still in the very early stages of a recovery process from all of that abuse,
Jack> and working with your counselor is starting to open all of that up. I hope that whatever comes up for you in this process you will let her know - she may have some great tools to help you.
Laly> yeah- I let her know.
Jack> RE: blocks... yeah that was my understanding of the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Practice from the beginning, that a LITTLE opening or AWAKENING would happen - and then that would jar loose
Jack> an emotional furball - at it became very clear rather quickly that to try to force past it using more stimulation or whatever could be experienced
Jack> by one's psychoneurological system as abuse - kind of like flooring it when the oil light goes on.
Jack> It's a great opportunity for you though!
Jack> Because you DO have the desire and clearly a lot of motivation - to travel so far to give yourself the help you need and deserve.
Laly> well - quite a while back in the forum- I mentioned reaching a fork in the road
Laly> one path lit, the other dark and leading into the forest.
Jack> That is YOU doing that FOR YOURSELF.
Laly> yeah.
Jack> yeah.
Laly> well I feel I am on that lit path for now
Laly> preparing myself for the dark one later.
Jack> Well the good news is you don't just have to be the one preparing you. That's what your counselor's for! To give you more tools for handling what may come as you continue to heal.
Laly> gathering the courage and skills to concur that other path
Laly> uh huh.
Jack> Re: gathering... yeah and you don't have to do that alone. That feeling of being all alone was part of the spell
Laly> part of the terror feelings
Jack> or could've been part of a "spell" (speaking metaphorically of course!) that you're all alone so you can't tell anybody what happened - you have to stay little and never grow up. All of that abuse b.s.
Laly> yeah- as horrible as that was .
Jack> Yeah - sounds to me like your counselor is really worth drive. I think she can handle what you need to give voice to.
Laly> yeah- she's been there too Jack - abuse I mean
Laly> I didn't know that til Drew told me.
Jack> Might be a good idea to let her know you know. Just to keep the decks clear.
Laly> okay.
Jack> I am very glad to hear how re: KSMO practice
Jack> you are being very sensitive to what your responsiveness (or less of it) is telling
Jack> you. Even when you're not actively in the counseling room, or journalling or whatever,
Jack> * internally * you're probably doing a LOT of re-integrating, re-booting, upgrading... you get the idea I think. :-)
Jack> It can look like on a given day you're not thinking directly about your emotional work etc., yet feel pretty worn out.
Jack> I'm very very very glad that you're not forcing the KSMO practice... "She" - the Inner You - will I am sure keep you right up to date on
Laly> k
Jack> re: my being very glad that you're not forcing the Multiple Orgasm Trigger practice...
Jack> ...that basically you're still in early days of your work with your counselor, so there's probably a LOT of reintegrating going on inside
Jack> of you, even outside of your awareness. That's what I mean by there possibly being days when you may feel pretty tired and not consciously know why.
Laly> oh yeah- definitely.
Jack> Just using a lot of CPU on some major ReWrites :-)
Laly> there were a few days I didn't get up til almost 9 to 10 am the next day
Laly> which is very rare for me.
Jack> I understand your missing those aspects of practice... but I'm pretty sure they'll return, perhaps a little sooner than you might expect.
Laly> .
Jack> re: 9 to 10 - yep that could very well be what I'm talkin about.
Laly> yeah- that's the conclusion I've come to
Jack> And that's another OPPORTUNITY to PRACTICE NOT FORCING or feeling forced - if even by yourself.
Jack> re: conclusion... cool! :-)
Laly> just cause I don't actively practice
Laly> I still listen to the 20 min audio segment
Jack> How's that working for you?
Laly> I get shivers every time
Jack> Still connected. See?
Laly> that's a good thing
Jack> and I mean still connected to those parts of YOU.
Jack> Yes it is!
Laly> yeah.
Jack> Also re: cogtrap # B7980G4387:
Laly> and still get the pool of heat and everything
Jack> Great!
Laly> lol on the cogtrap # .....
Jack> RE: That cogtrap - "not actively practicing" kind of like
Laly> am in tears from laughing
Jack> here's a fun and maybe productive rationalization:
Jack> since the Protocol DOES include getting professional help for dealing with the furballs when they come - often
Jack> including a pause in - ahem active practice - in a sense you're still right on your practice schedule!
Jack> Your AWAKENING to YOU.
Laly> yeah - I know that
Jack> Not just sexually of course, but sexually, sensually within the whole context of your emotional being.
Laly> uh huh.
Jack> Your intellect, your heartfullness... all.
Jack> Ya doin' REALLY GREAT Lal ...
Laly> thanks.
Jack> Keep makin' that pilgrimage of the self to visit your CALMPOSTING coach/counselor, and trusting your own clues
Jack> about how the new you continues to unfold.
Jack> To bloom.
Laly> going where few have gone before (Star Trek reference)
Jack> For sure THAT!
Jack> And THAT makes us in this community OrgasmoTrekkers. LOL.
Laly> LOL.
Jack> Open the pod door, KSMO!
Jack> (I know, that's not Trek I sometimes associate freely.)
Laly> true.
Jack> OMG you've noticed.
Laly> k - going to pass a link that I was given
Jack> k cool!
Laly> http://www.globalorgasm.org/
Jack> Oh Yeah On Soulstice, right?
Jack> Would you pls post that to the Current Events in the Wiki?
Laly> okay
Laly> here is a small text copy from that site
Jack> Since we don't Chase the Fawn - How about just a practice session on that day, offered to love, peace, just through wherever we are in our practice.
Laly> that's what I planned on
Jack> VERY COOL would you pls do the post at Current Events?
Laly> sure
Jack> Create a page called Global Orgasm linked from Current Events and put the link and details on that page. That's
Jack> a cool way to use the wiki, I think.
Jack> That way when somebody types in
Laly> okay.
Jack> Global Orgasm
Jack> in the wiki search box, they'll go right to that specific page.
Laly> kewl.
Jack> I really want to give readers and users lots of ways to find the information that's in the Forum and wiki by just typing in common key phrases such as
Jack> what does it feel like
Jack> and
Jack> how does it work
Jack> etc.
Laly> yeah.
Jack> Then those pages can have subpages with favorite forum excerpts (not full quotes - due to search engine duplicate content penalties!) with links
Jack> back to the full post in the forum - or if original to the wiki, a link to the full original post in the wiki.
Laly> yeah- I think my fav will always be the one that I lost track of just how many orgasms I had that nite
Laly> lost count after 10 - lol.
Jack> YEAH !!!
Jack> How about a wiki page called
Jack> Losing count
Jack> With a good excerpt and link back to the original post?
Jack> Then invite others to post examples as well.
Laly> ok
Laly> sweet
Jack> It seems to me that themes like that (and posts can have more than one theme) can be a cool
Jack> way to organize the information.
Laly> ok- cal me a true editor- am excited just THINKING of doing all this fun stuff lol.
Jack> Doesn't have to be the only way, but it seems like a naturally easy way to get at some great info.
Laly> yeah - it does.
Jack> Yeah!!! I know what you mean re: true editor. It's like MINING FOR GOLD in those Forum posts since 1997 (chat transcripts back to 1995).
Laly> yeah
Jack> :-)
Laly> that first one I read - WOW
Laly> to hear him describe bliss tears
Jack> I really look forward to checkin it out!!! YEAH!!!
Jack> Well, I need to back away from the keyboard for today, I think.
Jack> Whew. It's been GREAT!
Laly> yeah- I am going with the oldest chats first
Laly> yeah - it was.
Jack> EXCELLENT!
Jack> Was that RON or who?
Jack> Mike?
Laly> mike
Jack> Right!
Jack> BTW, did you catch that quote of Ron's? Actually from his interview in the intro seminar,
Jack> where he describes his breakthrough as:
Laly> I thought if created a link of that from bliss tears to that chat
Jack> I called for a cab, and a train showed up!
Laly> yeah I got that
Jack> Yes. re: the link to that chat. That's the idea. But also do a pull quote into the wiki to give them a taste,
Laly> okay.
Jack> and add your comments about the one (or several) pull quotes.
Jack> LIke the wiki gives the highlights, with a way to access the larger context via the Forum.
Laly> yeah.
Laly> well with my KSMO- I had NO expectations
Jack> There ya go!
Jack> Is there a page yet called
Jack> No expectations?
Laly> just allowed whatever happens - to happen
Laly> checking
Jack> If not, how about referring to it in your blog or somewhere so when you hit save the wiki will give you the read link to click to create the "No expectations" page.
Jack> Yeah that's right - ALLOWING. That's another good page name, with a link back to that no expectations page.
Jack> Give people LOTS of paths to find the information, using natural phrases.
Laly> okay
Jack> Key phrases and key words.
Laly> no - no page yet= no expectations
Jack> Cool! Away ya go! :-)
Laly> same with allowing
Jack> To me, once I got past the 10 minute learning curve, it's hard NOT to add "just a few more words - just one more link - etc." to the wiki.
Jack> Yep!
Laly> yeah- but I also think of other people and how they'd search for the information
Jack> A massively cross-referenced index. :-)
Laly> that;s why I kept the bliss tears- simple and easy
Jack> Yes!
Jack> Ok... I'd better log off now b4 you just see long line of z's or something on the next line! :-)
Laly> lol- okay
Laly> take care and HUGSSS
Jack> Keep takin' such great care of yourself Laly - give yourself the benefit of the doubt. Give yourself a break now and then. Take it E Z! :-)
Laly> amped with energy now - I am
Jack> HUGGSSS!
Laly> til next time
Laly> nite.
Jack> You got it! Thanks for being here tonight and sharing!
Jack> Sweet Dreams
Jack> .
Laly> sweet dreams .
Laly> and glad to be here
Laly> as always.
Jack> Me too!
Session Close: Thu Nov 30 19:48:23 2006