• Laly, Drew, and Biffy join Jack for a discussion on counseling experiences and how Jack discovered the KSMO protocol.
• Laly has had her first session with her counselor. She, Jack, Drew, and biffy discuss her experiences.
• newbie Biffy has been introduced to the practice by his father. Jack recommends the pdf document and audio seminar to get him started.
• Biffy questions how Jack discovered the KSMO protocol. Jack gives a brief descriptions and refers him to some links on the site for further reading.

Session Start: Thu Aug 24 17:58:03 2006
Jack> Hey Laly! How are you?
Laly> ok.
Laly> session went better that anticipated.
Jack> !!!
Jack> :-)
Jack> I am VERY glad to hear that Laly!
Jack> Hey Drew!
Laly>
Drew> Hey Jack!
Laly> thanks Jack...** was really great
Drew> :-)
Drew> I'm glad to hear that!
Drew> < was beginning to wonder!
Jack> Me too! Sounds like it might be a pretty productive association.
Jack> (Me too was re: glad to hear)
Laly> uh huh.. made some steps - small ones - that really made ** happy
Laly> to see
Drew> I can only speak for myself... AND, I do NOT have the words to express what MY association has meant and means to me.
Laly> was hard attempting not to let my brain override what my heart wanted to say
Drew> I am honored to be a catalyst in that potential for you, Laly. I'm proud of you for SHOWING UP!
Laly> Thanks
Drew> YW
Laly> as you know would have not gone
Laly> if not for your determination in not letting me
Laly> give in to the fear
Jack> Yeah I totally agree... AND about showing up!!! Laly,. today is one of the biggest, most important days of your life. Today you have really released many bonds your abusers have had on you.
Drew> I'm VERY familiar with that dynamic in my own life...
Laly> aww.. gonna make me cry
Jack> yeah, ta ta suckas!!!
Laly>
Drew> The choice between choosing to go into (and through) the things I'm most afraid to feel... Or NOT.
Laly> had to a lot of breathing as got closer...felt that panic mode coming
Drew> It's that dang 'free will'! ;-)
Laly> yeah
Jack> WAY TO REMEMBER TO BREATHE!!!
Laly> Drew was right tho- ** just "knows" things
Laly> was like WOW-- how'd she know this about me
Jack> Sounds like you felt fairly safe with her.
Laly> at first - when waiting..was lil nervous - OK OK lot nervous
Jack> Way to be HUMAN. :-)
Drew> :-)
Laly> but once we got to talking-saw her energy
Laly> a connection- if you will
Laly> so yeah- felt safe enough
Jack> yeah: " enough " that's all that's necessary.
Laly> so going to re-learn how to be comfortable with myself
Jack> Share - Check ( feelings of safety and when green light then: ) Share a _little_ more... repeat as needed. :-)
Laly> *going
Laly> yes
Jack> Yeah! Laly's good people, I recommend her as a friend.
Jack> Glad you're feeling more comfortable with her. :-)
Laly> *tears up
Drew> < smiles.
Laly> - not afraid to let him see me cry Jack
Jack> GOOD.
Drew> "Water in the eyes" from time to time is part of being HUMAN, too!
Laly> altho - bringing my own tissues with me- flummoxed him
Laly> *smiles
Drew> Now that's planning ahead!
Jack> Loaded for bear!
Laly> that's what he says now Jack LOL
Jack> OMG cool! :-)
Laly> Is a great feeling to know that there are kind and good people who care
Jack> Yeah! Keep collecting more evidence like that!
Laly> treasured memories and friendships for sure
Jack> ... by taking " safe risks " by that I mean like the HUGE emotional risk you took to travel so far to talk to a stranger about some of the most vulnerable personal aspects of yourself. WOW GIRL!
Laly> if not for the kindness of friendship- would not be here now
Laly> wanting this
Jack> AND if not for your OWN PERSONAL COURAGE.
Laly> < blushes
Jack> POWER SURGE!!!
Laly> just unburying myself from all the crap
Drew> Hear, hear!
Laly> a step at a time
Jack> Yeah and isn't it wonderful to find some more great help shoveling it!
Laly> yes
Jack> Turning it into CALMpost!
Laly>
Jack> TRANCE-ENDING the grip the creeps have had on you in the past... IN THE PAST.
Laly> uh huh.
Jack> POOF!!!
Laly> to clear the screen - make new memories, experiences
Jack> More layers of course... all in time though and now you know you have even more help and of a very special kind that is such a HUGE GIFT for YOU to GIVE YOURSELF.
Laly> awww
Jack> Yeah I like that screen-clearing image! Reboot! :-)
Jack> bye bye corrupt drivers. ;-)
Laly> LOL....
Jack> <;-P
Drew> VERY wise words, Brother... I couldn't have put it better myself!
Jack> Thank you Drew. VERY much.
Laly> < takes deep breath
Jack> < too.
Laly> -
Laly> ** and I plan on re-wiring automatic responses - to stressful situations
Laly> that trigger a panic mode in me
Laly> much like my not wanting to come up and see her- but then wanting to at same time
Laly> a mind/heart quarrel within myself
Jack> Yeah re-wiring the auto responses sounds like a great plan to me.
Jack> It's great to combine that kind of re-wiring work re: the panic mode triggers in you with being here learning how to trigger a pleasure mode in you.
Drew> Hmmmm.... GOOD CALL!
Laly> uh huh- it all goes down to 1 word - ALLOWING
Drew> Away from pain AND toward pleasure at the same time... I LOVE IT!
Laly> allowing myself the chance to freely explore
Laly> physically, emotionally and even spiritually
Laly> opening that once locked gate to the open meadows.
Jack> And having the energy to do so!
Jack> Welcome biffy!
Drew> Hi Biffy!
Laly> hi biffy
biffy> HI
biffy> I just got the course and thought I'd check this out
biffy> have no experience yet
Laly> welcome biffy
biffy> thanks!
Jack> That's great biffy, I'm glad you've stopped by.
Jack> hey Drew and Laly, why don't you introduce yourselves
Jack> and give biffy a little sense of your history with this practice?
biffy> that'd be awesome
Laly> sure...35, female, been practicing for a year now
biffy> kewl. how is that for you?
Laly> biffy - it has been one of the most rewarding and fantastic things
Laly> that I have chosen to do
Laly> a very sacred and blessed
Laly> place in which I feel comfortable sharing my love and heart with
Laly> a "family" for me
biffy> not sure I understand what you mean - 'family' for me
Laly> oh..let me clarify --
Laly> for a long time I truly felt like no one cared about me- least of all me
Laly> that I didn't matter
Laly> emotions, thoughts and feelings were irrelevant
Laly> but had the hardest time trying to bury
Laly> but once I came to KSMTOP
Laly> and found quite the opposite happening - all that stuff I'd been trying to hide
Laly> I didn't WANT to hide anymore
biffy> so there was a spontaneous opening - like your heart sort of burst open with these practices?
Laly> yes
biffy> nice
biffy> that sounds good
Laly> it is
Drew> :-)
Laly> especially after some of the horrific things I've lived through
biffy> I've had those feelings before - when the inhibitory part - the ego or something controlling like the mind just drops - a traumatic event or pain or spontaneously
biffy> just drops
biffy> and the heart bursts open
biffy> and you realize you've been living in a cage
biffy> you made for yourself
biffy> anyway
Jack> yeah, like shedding a cocoon. :-)
Laly> yes- that's it exactly
Laly> with the forums - I found myself doing just that
biffy> I am excited to see if these practices do the same for me
Jack> I'm optimistic. You're off to a great start by being here.
Laly> there is no limit to practice when you allow yourself the freedom to explore
Laly> I agree jack
biffy> a lot of spiritual practices I've been trying to integrate - it's hard to see any change - difficult to remember to practice while you're living - I mean out in the world - and easy to fall into patterns of being shut down and forgetting
biffy> to be authentic
Jack> Wow, well said!
biffy> there's only one technique I've found that blasted me open like Laly described
Jack> [I think that opening to these multiorgasmic feelings is primally and essentially authentic.]
biffy> Jack, how'd you develop this stuff?
biffy> I hope you don't mind me asking
Jack> LOL not at all. I trusted that the answers were coded into
Jack> my DNA and that EVERY CELL, every molecule, and every id-entity within my being
Jack> wanted to open to this experience so I developed a practice
Jack> where I would ask them for clues and then tune into images, insights, and like clues... After
Jack> about 9 months ( yep what a coincidence )
Jack> I gradually intuited how to use the Key Sound that I'd discovered
Jack> and those spontaneous Echo Effects as a radio compass.
Jack> I'd love to pass the Talking Stick to Drew for a few
Jack> so he may introduce himself to you as well, biffy,
Jack> And biffy - only to whatever extent you feel comfortable sharing under pseudonym in our public Forum (including this chat) - generally where you're from, gender, orientation, marital status, age range, etc. But only what you're ok sharing. - Always.
Laly> he is afk jack
biffy> What's AFK?
Laly> away from keyboard
biffy> no I be here just considering what Jack just said
biffy> I'm from Canada, but have dual citizenship with the USA
biffy> I live in Costa Rica right now
biffy> I'm 32
biffy> I move a lot
biffy> I'm single
biffy> I'm curious
biffy> I like to experiment
biffy> ...on myself
biffy> I'm a raw foodist
biffy> (a weird kind)
Laly> - 3 for 3 from on that biffy
biffy> not Vegan
biffy> which 3?
Laly> single, curious, and the experimentation
biffy> hee hee
Laly> lol
biffy> My father told me about this site
biffy> he's just started to practice
Laly> awesome
Jack> WOW!
biffy> I'm recovering from some health muck that's had me pinned for 7 or 8 years emotionally
Jack> WAY TO GO, DAD!!! THANKS!
biffy> RIGHT
biffy> so now I have energy to explore again
Laly> way to grow biffy re: emotional muck
Jack> Yeah! And... my experience and that of some other folks here has been that this practice can really help with that kind of healing and personal evolution.
Jack> That's REALLY GREAT that your Dad recommended this practice biffy. And
Jack> I'm glad to hear you're psyched up for some new awakenings!
biffy> right, totally!
Jack> Have you had a chance to look thru the pdf document yet?
biffy> thanks for sharing the nature of your developing these practices
biffy> I'm about 3/4 through the PDF
Laly> great
biffy> I understand what you mean by your cells being ready for this
Jack> You're welcome! Let's see, I think it's Chat 0038 where I give a more detailed exposition.
biffy> or something of that nature
biffy> ok
Jack> Yeah you bet, they ALL want to feel that LIFE FORCE.
Jack> That's MY Working Hypothesis anyway. :-)
biffy> jack, have you tried at all to measure what you've developed here against any other paradigms?
Jack> "Measure"?
Jack> How?
biffy> I mean like Mantak Chia's stuff - like the Kundalini energy
biffy> maybe measure is the wrong word
Laly> http://jackjohnston.protelis.com/wb/...0&LastTopic=39
Laly> link - chat #38
biffy> I just meant putting this in a context which relates to something. anything you'd ever heard of or experienced before
biffy> my typing is shitty sorry
Jack> no worries biff, thanks for the link, laly.
Laly> no worries biffy
Laly> am typing with monster headache myself
biffy> what from?
Laly> saw a counselor for first time today
Jack> Yeah Laly, you should probably take a warm bath or something, it's been quite a day for you!
Jack> Could be some of your elves are knocking on your forehead trying to get your attention. :-)
Laly> possibly , but also been up for 12 hours
Jack> And AGAIN CONGRATULATIONS on taking that HUGE STEP FORWARD LALEEEE!!!
Laly> aww - gonna make me cry again
Jack> Yeah ,warm shower or bath can help ground you. Earth the Power as they say. Give it roots.
Jack> Do you journal at all?
Laly> just in the forum jack
Laly> when I try to put it to paper
Laly> the mind noise and other "stuff" seems to get in the way
Jack> Yeah I understand. Maybe
Jack> though you could
Jack> create a private area with a passworded file or something where you
Jack> could also write stuff that you might care to share
Jack> with ** as part of your counseling, but might not be quite resonant for our public Forum.
Laly> yeah-been thinking of doing that
Jack> You get to have both. :-
Laly> Drew had also offered to listen to - as much as comfortable sharing
Jack> Yeah Laly,it's another way to ground your growth steps. You can use that journal (as well as this Forum when you want, and your stalwart buddy Drew )
Jack> to bookend growth steps.
biffy> I've got lots of questions still - but I also know I just have to start practicing and see what happens. The mind always wants a preconception. Maybe better if I shut up and listen to others here and what they're experiencing
Laly> I would rather hear that you are listening to yourself biffy
Jack> Biff, did you get a chance to give a read to the pdf document yet?
biffy> um...I've only read half or something. I finally had some time tonight to check it out
biffy> then this chat started
biffy> so I came here
Jack> Way to take the direct approach!
biffy> I'll finish before bed tonight probably
Jack> Yeah just give it a read through when you can, and of course then listen
biffy> right will do
Jack> to the audio seminar and start blogging your experiences and questions to the Forum ( to your own comfort level of course - always! ).
biffy> thanks I will
biffy> I like sharing
Jack> Ya came to the right place, friend! :-)
Laly> yep-
biffy> are there usually more people at these chats or is it often intimate like this?
Laly> usually like this
Laly> sometimes tho may have more
biffy> nice
Laly> our members in Ireland and other parts - tis too late for them - the Thurs nite chats
biffy> so Laly it sounds like You are going through some intense stuff
Laly> yes biffy
biffy> right now
Laly> not right now- been battling them for 16 years and counting
Laly> am NOW taking back the control
Drew> WHOO HOO!
Laly> *smiles and tears fall
Laly> < feeling the love now
Jack> BTW, biffy I refer to these kind of tears of healing release relief as brimming over :-)
Jack> Attagirl!
Laly> *wipes tears and smiles
Jack> :-)
biffy> Laly did practicing the multiple O tech help to bring this stuff to the surface?
Jack> BTW biffy, also take a look at Chat 0083 http://www.multiples.com/3791.htm SEVEN people discuss what having learned this skill is like for them.
biffy> Is it enabling you to process it?
Jack> Good question biffy!
Laly> *takes deep breath and releases slowly
Laly> a heartfully felt _ yes answer to that
Laly> KSMO has allowed me to put aside the anger and blame that I put on myself
Laly> for NOT being able to stop being raped
Laly> or wishing I could have done something to prevent it
Laly> fought harder... issues like this
Laly> I took a step back from active practice and spent
Laly> a very intensive 3 weeks of meditation
Laly> meditation
Laly> in letting go of my anger at myself
Jack> ooh that's a nice one, Laly - meditation mediation initiation. :-)
Laly> at the time - those were the 3 toughest weeks of my life - emotionally
Laly> but also the most uplifting at the end too
Laly> breaking the bonds
Laly> I had allowed my abusers to keep over me
Laly> and now at the point where the counseling will help me to heal the rest of the way
Jack> YEAH LALY !!!
Laly> is not easy -
Jack> nope, but you're worth it.
Jack> Rem ember that. :-)
Laly> that's what I gotta believe .. yeah
Jack> So far so good, eh?
Laly> uh huh.
Jack> Way to call on the allies you need to be successful. :-)
Laly>
Jack> Laly - time for you to rest.
Laly> yeah
Jack> Ya done GREAT today!
Jack> To whatever extent you can - take tomorrow off. :-)
Laly> I'll try
Laly> *winces cause drew HATES that word
Drew> Too right!
Jack> I just had a thought: replace try in that sentence with breathe and check the difference in how you feel.
Jack> Go ahead and type it, if you will, and check the difference.
Laly> gotta quit crying to breathe
Jack> And sometimes vice versa.
Laly> *takes shaky breath
Jack> Yeah!!! Whew thanks for the incredible check-in and Victory Celebration tonite, Laly. :-)
Laly>
Laly> feel like a limp noodle - in more ways than 1
Jack> No doubt Laly!
Laly> more like free-er breathing
Laly> not so much as celebration
Laly> a step in the right direction - a start
Jack> Well some cells have started celebrating... give time for word to spread. But now rest time, eh?
Laly> yeah
Jack> biffy, any other thoughts or questions for this evening? Sir Drew? How about you?
Drew> Say what?
Jack> Don't get me started. :-0
Drew> I'm on the phone, Jack
Jack> :-)
Jack> k. no worries have your people call my people or... :-)
Laly> hugs jack nit
Laly> nite
Jack> biffy, how bout you? Any other thoughts or questions for this evening?
Jack> Hugs to you laly! Tu es vraiment une femme de tres grande courage.
Laly>
Jack> Well I guess that's about it for me too, guys. Anything else b4 I go?
biffy> um...jack, I do have one other question
Jack> Yes please! :-)
biffy> ok did you find the feeling generated by this technique you developed were happening spontaneously for you - and then you developed the tech for others?
biffy> Or did the development of the tech
biffy> spur this open heartedness on?
Jack> I discovered the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol a little piece at a time and used the presence or absence, and the amplitude and quality of the Echo
Jack> Effects to let me know when I was on to something and when I was drifting off the signal line or Zone of Resonance or ??? :-)
Jack> And I had intuitions images recollections etc.
biffy> do many people have the experience that this energy that's opened through the technique or allowed to surface or triggered through the tech -
biffy> that
biffy> it carries into their lives
biffy> outside of the practice?
biffy> that it's not just isolated to the 'practicing'
biffy> ??
Jack> BTW here's another account of my process of discovery: http://www.multiples.com/4835.htm
biffy> isolated
biffy> thanks for the links
Jack> You're welcome! Also you can
Jack> use the Site Search Tool link in the left-hand column of most pages on the multiples.com website to use the Google
Jack> site search tool.
Jack> BTW, I'm gonna see about getting that onto the Forum pages too instead of that rinky dink search tool in the Forum (sorry, old story). :-)
biffy> Hey
biffy> man
biffy> I just keep getting kicked
biffy> thanks for all the info
Jack> For the record the number of that chat transcript link just above is Chat 0191.
biffy> I'm going to read through everything
biffy> and start
biffy> then I'll come back and check in
Jack> Yeah just start SLOWLY... take your time and yes
Jack> do check back in - you'll meet other good people too, from all over
biffy> kewl meng
Jack> the globe, various ages from 20's thru 78's.
biffy> I'm really interested in other's experiences for sure
Jack> si sengor.
Jack> :-)
biffy> ok Jack have a great night
biffy> nice to meet you
Jack> See you in the forum and back here in the chat, Brother, and once again,
Jack> Welcome to the Adventure!
biffy> yes mon
biffy> thanks!
biffy> the exploration of inner space!
Jack> You're most welcome! bye for now.
biffy> bye
Jack> Enjoy
Jack> your homework. :-)
Jack> Sweet Dreams, Drew!
Jack> Thanks for all of your great support of Laly in her journey and the incredible story that is YOUR story of this Adventure! HUGS TO YOU DREW! g'NITE.
Session Close: Thu Aug 24 20:17:43 2006

GOLD NUGGET

great chat --in overcoming fears, furballs, and/or doubts to seek the professional counseling help needed.

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With Love, Light and with a Joyously singing heart,
Laly
Old forum threads of mine :
http://tiny.cc/KOx0x - shy newbie
http://tiny.cc/mt9sd - letting go of anger
http://tiny.cc/wR7Hb - multiple orgasm success-insight

I read this in a book today "You never know how much courage you have until you face your greatest fears head on".