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Complete Transcript of Multiple Orgasm Trigger Coaching Chat 0249 Please post YOUR comments AND QUESTIONS in reply... VERY IMPORTANT: PLEASE remember - DO NOT quote the entire transcript in your reply. ONLY quote the segments about which you are specifically commenting... Thanks!
Laly> Hi Smithie, Hi Jack . Smithie> Hi! Jack> Hi Laly, hi smithie! Smithie> Is someone going to "open fire"? Laly> you can start smithie. Jack> ? Laly> I can wait Jack> You have the Talking Stick, smithie! :-) Smithie> Thank you! Smithie> This is the first time I'm participating in a chat Laly> welcome. Smithie> I have some questions to ask about the frequency of practice. Jack> Good! Laly> generally should be every other day- with a day of rest in between. Smithie> I started three or four weeks ago. More or less I've been trying to do practice every second day, as you say Jack> Actually the guideline is to practice no more frequently than every other day - Jack> If you want to take more time off between practices, that's fine. The purpose Jack> of the day off is at least two fold : Jack> First, to help slow down that urge to chase after the Big Ones, rather Jack> than tuning in to the spontaneous Echo Effects and Jack> learning how to gently nudge them higher by use of gentle Key Sound plus the relaxing breaths. Jack> The OTHER reason is that a number of people who have Jack> learned this skill have reported that especially in the stages of Early Awakening, Jack> some of the STRONGEST ECHO EFFECTS happen on the days BETWEEN practice sessions ! Jack> In effect Jack> we are giving our newly awakening erotic response system some BREATHING ROOM to ALLOW Jack> these stronger effects to occur. Smithie> But, some days when I am meant to do it, I find that I am tired, or have no sexual energy, whereas on in-between days sometimes I feel in form for a practice. Am I being too dogmatic? Laly> smithie- I have had the same things happen Jack> If you are tired then don't do the practice. There is NOTHING Jack> about this practice that should EVER be forced ! Laly> uh huh- agree. Jack> Not the loudness of the Key Sound the frequency of practice , the huskiness of the Key Sound , etc. Smithie> My second question has to do with the length of the sessions. Sometimes, when there are no echoes, or earlier Echoes which fade away and my mind begins to wander, should I stop, rather than wanting to do the 20 minutes. Jack> Wherever one might be forcing - THAT is where the energy flow is being blocked . Laly> take a minute to re-focus smithie Jack> No echoes whatsoever? Jack> Good suggestion Laly! Smithie> Likewise, if I feel in a good mood and the echoes start developing, is it alright to continue after 20 minutes? Jack> I recommend that you learn something new by stopping at the 20 minutes and let the Echoes have their will of you. Laly> :-) . Jack> There is much to be learned by stopping at about 20 minutes ESPECIALLY when the Echoes are starting to get rolling. Laly> Just because you stop the KS does not mean your body will still not feel echoes. Jack> Of course, when they do - just relax and enjoy them ! Smithie> Sometimes, in answer to your question, I get encountering echoes. But other times the sexual energy seems absent and I get, at best, a few weak echoes which fade away, or , at worst, no echoes at all and my mind wonders and I start looking at my watch. Jack> And for sure don't try to suppress the Echoes - Give them the unencumbered opportunity to blossom . Laly> oh oh- mind trap Jack> Re: looking at your watch etc. Hey if you're not in the mood - you're not in the mood :-) That goes to that idea of NOT forcing ANY aspect of practice . That includes Jack> not practicing when you just think you should - rather than because you FEEL like it. Laly> uh huh. Smithie> Let's stop a minute! I feel I'm getting contradictory advice! On the one hand, stop after 20 minutes and let the echoes have their will. On the other hand, don't suppress them, give them unencumbered opportunity to blossom. Laly> in regards to the off days smithie. Jack> Yes - after 20 minutes stop the ACTIVE practice - that is the single caress + Key Sound etc. Jack> just relax and breathe and FEEL what's happening . Smithie> OK! That's clear now. Jack> :-) Laly> good. Jack> GOOD QUESTIONS SMITHIE !!! Laly> very good indeed. Jack> These are questions a LOT of people are likely to ask and I really appreciate your asking! Smithie> laly began saying something about the off days... Jack> Yes please, Laly! Laly> ok- hmmm Jack> Welcome Marty! pls say hi to Smithie and laly. Marty> Hey there! Marty> Hiya there Smithie, an sweet LAlly Jack> Laly was about to comment about what may happen on the days BETWEEN practice sessions . Marty> ok Laly> on my off days, I would get some really strong echos smithie Laly> and I had the urge to start and active practice Laly> to amplify them- make them happen more. Jack> on the off day, right Laly? Laly> yes jack Jack> tnx Smithie> But did you? Laly> no- I recalled the pdf file on not doing that Laly> and instead let the echos have their way with me Smithie> What is "tnx" please? Marty> hmmm disciplined Marty> thanks Jack> pdf = The Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Summary Marty> hehe hmmm Jack> tnx = thanks Laly> my heart filled with so much energy I would brim with tears Jack> LOL Laly re: their way! Marty> difficult to resist? Smithie> Tnx everyone! Laly> <blushing - yes jack, rather than taking the initiative myself. Laly> not really marty- it was more like not taking the reins myself. Jack> you're welcome Smithie... And listen to Laly's wonderful story... pls say a little more about that off day experience Laly - every Marty> I hear that idea quite a bit - allowing Laly> but ALLOWING the energy to just flow. Laly> allowing "letting go" Marty> yes exactly Laly> loosen the reins Jack> Well said! Marty> allowing and yet staying aware Laly> yes marty. Jack> That's it exactly, Marty! Laly> and from these new-found energies smithie Laly> I found that I am happier, more care-free, more loving Laly> in the physical world Marty> mmm yummy Jack> :-) Marty> great discovery Laly> that the orgasmic energy seems to radiate from me Marty> wow that's really amazing to witness Laly> even more to feel it marty Smithie> This exchange has clarified my understanding of the Protocol on the points I raised. Thank you! I'm happy to sit back and let someone else bring forward their questions. Marty> even more so if it is yourself it is happening with Jack> Right on Laly! The LIFE FORCE. Smithie, another way of looking at the 20 min sessions is that they are like a gentle nudging to awaken these energies. Jack> For sure, Marty. Jack> Thanks very much Smithie - Great questions! Marty it's your turn if you like. :-) Jack> Smithie thanks for your Forum posts too - great thread! Marty> hmmm well I , thanks Jack> Tell us about you a little, Jack> generally where you're typing from, marital status age orientation experience practicing the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Marty> I reckon I have a big difficulty letting go Marty> similar to floating in water I never quite can relax and trust that I will float Jack> Yes Marty you're not alone in that re: letting go. Jack> That's a great analogy! Marty> well it is true too Marty> I can't swim Marty> I am too insecure Marty> in deep water Marty> quite panicked when I cant feel a solid bottom Jack> Would you be willing to do a brief cognitive exploration? Jack> I hear you ! Marty> what's that then? Jack> type: Marty> eh? Jack> I can't swim Jack> and then notice how you feel... Marty> I can't swim Jack> ok, now Jack> type: Jack> I haven't swum Jack> and notice how you feel. Marty> I haven't swum Jack> ok, good! now Jack> type: Jack> I am too insecure Jack> and notice how you feel. Marty> I am too insecure Marty> lonely shy Jack> ok, now type: Jack> I have felt insecure Jack> lonely shy Jack> and notice how you feel. Marty> I have felt insecure Marty> lonely shy Jack> What's different about those phrases? Marty> past tense Marty> done already Jack> yeah Brother ... BREATHING ROOM Laly> Marty> hihi you are Cool Jack> Tnx... So are YOU Jack> ;-p Marty> I do want to swim Marty> I just know I would love it Jack> What's the first step? Marty> a swimming pool where I can feel comfortable Marty> to try an practice Jack> How about a teacher? Marty> find a way to enjoy it Marty> um yeah good idea Jack> Start in the shallow end. Marty> naturally Jack> Find a TEACHER you feel comfortable with. Marty> heel yes even better Jack> Keep looking til you find one you feel comfortable with. Laly> uh huh. Jack> See? Jack> :-) Marty> yep Jack> Also Marty, these feelings that come up around practice are good examples of what I call Emotional Furballs - Marty> swimming being an analogy also for exploring emotional depths Jack> Voila! Marty> I am seeing a counselor Jack> It's All Connected. Marty> now I have met with her twice Laly> great marty! Jack> VERY GOOD. Marty> yes I like seeing her she gives me space to try and find words for things Jack> You might also inform her of this practice and share the pdf with her. I'm happy Jack> to receive calls or emails from her and provide any info. Marty> I was thinking of that too Marty> ok cool Jack> That is EXCELLENT Marty about her giving you a safe space to GIVE VOICE to your feelings. Marty> I notice tho Marty> that I float away from feeling Marty> always have done Marty> and so I am finding difficulty with knowing what i feel Jack> Yeah address that with her - she may have some exercises that will help you as well. Jack> Also, Marty> being in & hearing & myself Marty> I don't quite get it Jack> keep in mind that this practice is a form of self-guided relaxation or meditation Jack> by that I mean when you notice yourself drifting - NO BLAME - just come back to your breathing, single caress, gentle Key Sound. Marty> ah yes ok Marty> we are our own best teacher ? Jack> Yes ultimately but it's also nice to have the transfer of knowledge from a Mentor. Marty> sure Jack> Make that MentorS plural. :-) Marty> indeed Laly> yes Marty> thanks for being here Jack> You are very welcome - and thank YOU for being here and sharing yourself in such an authentic way. You ROCK Marty! Marty> Any other thoughts anyone wants to share Marty> Well sure Jack> :-) Marty> honesty is the only way isn't it? Jack> Yep. Laly> for sure Jack> Smithie? Laly? Other thoughts for Marty? Marty> or on other matters? Laly> just in being happy for marty in his taking steps to working on whatever issues he feels Laly> need healed. Marty> mm hugs Lallyroth Laly> aww thanks Marty> hmm I need to dance - Laly> starts to cry. Marty> awww no! Jack> Bliss Brimming... Laly> No - good tears marty Jack> Bliss Spilling Over ... Marty> hmm good tears Jack> Yes ! Laly> dancing is good. Jack> The Vessel overflows with abundance Marty> ok then Jack> Yeah funny you should mention dancing: Jack> a bun dance Jack> :-) Laly> always do this marty-just shows how MUCH I care Marty> mmmmm sweet woman Marty> bun dance?? <Jack> abundance: a bun dance Marty> funny guy Jack> nice "coincidence". :-) Laly> lol Marty> lol Marty> ah you man Marty> hmm yes dance Jack> I really enjoy the myriad ways our subconscious Wisdom communicates with us - often humorously. Laly> uh huh. Marty> I have always felt too self conscious to relax and move Jack> Ah another first step in the making! Marty> as u say again n again Jack Marty> existence never will cease to amaze Jack> I agree 100% Marty> an I was at a wedding maybe 2 months ago Marty> they had a disco Marty> an well I sort of had to dance Marty> not really but I wanted to and yet dreaded it Marty> and when my sisters friend sort of told me to well up I went Marty> pretty much the first time Marty> on the dance floor - so I was awkward really Jack> but you DID IT! Marty> I did Laly> . Jack> Way to GROW. Marty> it helped that there was a lot of music I knew Jack> By all means! Jack> [Find YOUR music. The music that MOVES you.] Marty> still Marty> it exposed how little Marty> of what I was afraid of actually was there Marty> all in my mind you know - like the rest of me Marty> in my mind so I don't can't feel things Marty> and am awkward when I do Jack> care to reframe those sentences like we did the ones above? Jack> :-P Laly> lol. Marty> guide me Marty> please Jack> use that past tense method you mentioned just earlier. Jack> And rewrite those self-descriptive statements you just made. Marty> I am afraid of dancing Jack> and the reframed version? Marty> I was afraid of dancing Jack> Yeah! Jack> alternatively: Jack> I have been afraid of dancing. Smithie> Well, I have a very early start tomorrow morning, so I will leave you now. Thank you all for sharing your time, your experience and your love with me! I look forward to joining the next chat at GMT 19h00. Jack> That's great Smithie where you typing from? Smithie> Europe, a town not too far from London. Laly> thanks for being here smithie Marty> Right on Smithie Jack> Yeah and keep blogging! Marty> Cu again Jack> Cheers then! Laly> HUGS Laly> take care. Smithie> Tnx you all and goodbye! Jack> And Sweet Dreams! Jack> Well Marty... I'd say you are doing GREAT! Laly> I agree. a very good start. Marty> yes - definite progress is best made in small steps Jack> You are really investing in your personal evolution and showing tremendous courage. Marty> or taken in small doses Laly> uh huh- just like I have done marty. Marty> I have always wanted and felt I need help to sort myself out Jack> Good Reality Check! Jack> True for just about everyone in our ahem modern culture. Jack> It is HUGE that YOU took the INITIATIVE to GIVE THAT GIFT TO YOURSELF. Marty> yes I suppose so Marty> it is true Jack> Suppose? Jack> :-) Jack> Care to GIVE YOURSELF THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT on that one? Marty> I have learned impatience from a master Marty> I need to unlearn impatience Jack> Well ... Jack> it Jack> takes Jack> time Jack> ... Marty> well he is cynical too it rubs off Marty> I know an accept Laly> yes Jack> Presto! You're healed! Marty> time heals they say Marty> worth a bit of work Marty> I would add Jack> Yep and so does all the initiatives you've been taking on your own behalf. Laly> I agree. Jack> [my comment was re: time heals :-) ] Marty> it is good also to have you as a steady source of encouragement Jack> We're here Marty :-) Marty> cool Laly> personally I can attest to that- re: time heals with a bit of work Marty> good Lallyroth Laly> yes - we ARE here for u marty Jack> Yeah that's a great slogan LOL Jack> time heals with a bit of work. Jack> I love it! Laly> Marty> hihi I am feeling all warm in my centre ! Laly> great! Jack> Yeah Marty thanks for YOUR framing of that TIME HEALS WITH A BIT OF WORK ! Marty> ok Jack Jack> Nice! Jack> Thanks for reinforcing it Laly! Laly> I like "with love all can be healed" Laly> your welcome Marty> oh yea that's a good one Jack> Yeah that's a good one too - and we might also add with a bit of work to it too LOL! Laly> love of yourself Marty> I subscribe to that anyday Jack> Yeah Laly, it STARTS THERE. Marty> - see I have figured all these things out in my head Marty> right- Laly> ok Marty> but that's it - only in my head Jack> Great Marty re: in your head - the Multiple Orgasm Trigger will help you connect them Jack> to the rest of you! Jack> So will your continuing work with your counselor. Laly> uh huh- it did for me Marty> if I had this in my feeling centres I'd be more like Lally I think Laly> - aww thanks marty Marty> Sure laly Jack> Marty, as you work through your emotional furballs with your counselor then more energy gateways will Jack> open and your practice help you identify any others. It's GREAT Jack> that you have the support of a counselor IN PLACE to take full advantage of the benefits of this practice! Marty> yep I will stick at it Marty> ok then Marty> hmm practice -well ehm Marty> I have not actually Marty> tried for some time Jack> So? Jack> :-) Laly> nor have I marty Marty> I will use your CD with your 20 min session Marty> some time?? days or more? Jack> When the Spirit moves you. Laly> my more immediate concerns are for my state of mind first, my well-being Jack> VERY VERY VERY IMPORTANT POINT LALY! [Marty:#Multiple_orgasm_how IMAGE] EMOTIONS/smile.gif good Laly> and the tears I had are because YOU are taking steps in concerns for your well-being marty Marty> it is ok then - I will listen for a hint Jack> Yeah Marty - That's ANOTHER GOOD ONE: LISTEN FOR A HINT. Laly> am proud Marty> true Marty> wow you are soo empathic Marty> so open Jack> Yeah she is! Marty> listen /feel/hear for a hint / direction of interest Laly> thanks- just one of the wondrous benefits that KSMO has allowed me to be Marty> way cool - Marty> do you feel you need to be more secure in yourself before you can be so open? Marty> or more aware Marty> and safe in yourself? Jack> It is really great to have you here today Marty I hope you'll come back and hope you'll post to the Forum ahem when the spirit moves you. :-) Marty> thanks Man Jack> Marty - Laly> I think feeling safe with myself marty more than anything Jack> Charles Whitfield wrote a wonderful book Jack> a long time ago called (if memory serves me, that is) Healing the Child Within. Marty> I am kinda scared of my power Marty> healing the child within hmm good Marty> good title Jack> In there he talks about learning how to figure out appropriate boundaries etc. Jack> He calls it the share check share model. Marty> sounds good Jack> Share a little bit of your authentic self, Marty> share check. share Marty> find the boundary Jack> CHECK to see if the response(s) you're getting TRULY feel safe to you, Marty> then share more Marty> right on Jack> and ONLY IF the answer is yes, share a LITTLE more, then Check, etc. Marty> writing down ! Laly> - Jack> You are a REAL GO GETTER Marty! Laly> I have done what jack has just said marty Laly> here in the forum Marty> oh really Laly hmm it seems to have done the trick Laly> oh yes= and so much more Marty> oh yes right - I have not really explored a lot in the forum Marty> some but I will more Jack> Marty the best way is Jack> to bookmark the NEWS link. Marty> good - ok then almost nighttime here Marty> Right on I will Jack> When you get to the Forum, in the upper Laly> chat room-shy newbie ... Jack> right area there is a link labeled News. Jack> That delivers a page of links to the latest posts in all Conferences in the Forum. Jack> That's how you keep up with people's blogging :-) Marty> ah ok thanks Marty> good Jack> You're quite welcome - Enjoy! Marty> I will explore Jack> That's it EXACTLY! Jack> THAT is the KEY ATTITUDE for PRACTICE. Marty> I remember reading some of Lalys blogs Marty> I am an explorer! Laly> YES!! Jack> I can tell!!! Jack> Yes you were saying about Laly's blogs? Marty> I went to a Chi Qong course a few years ago Marty> and in her form under occupation I remember I wrote explorer Jack> WELL DONE! Marty> just that I remember reading them and was amazed ! Marty> Oe Q Laly Marty> One question Laly> ok Marty> Omega 3? Marty> Was that you who said Marty> you take a lot of Omega 3 fatty acid?? Marty> or ? Laly> not me- not omega 3 - i take CLA Marty> I vaguely remember someone said they had a diet with a lot of omega 3 - aka Ala Marty> cla - that's in the Udo's oil blend also Laly> yes Marty> Heard of Udos oil no?? Laly> no Marty> I have just been converted Marty> He is Canadian - the expert on essential fatty acids Marty> converted as in convinced he is onto a winner Marty> www.rightfatdiet.com I thin it is Marty> I think Jack> Whoa NICE SLIP there Marty! Jack> Didja see what your subconscious just said? Marty> anyway I can talk about that another day Laly> yes that's it Marty> thin - you mean? Jack> yep! Marty> I have never been fat Marty> no worries on that front Marty> not for weight loss - just for health Jack> Note that the slip though may underscore that benefit, generally. I thought it was kinda cool! Been then, I'm an art lover. Jack> For many people better health may involve some weight loss. Laly> like me Laly> so far have lost 104 lbs Marty> sure thing - I have a cool DVD I would love to share with ya all but I dunno how Marty> have you needed to? Jack> What's the title? Marty> wow that's a lot Jack> Wow Laly! Jack> That's a LOT OF RECOVERY! Jack> CONGRATULATIONS!!! Laly> thanks Marty> sugar wait I go get it - it is a promotional - but he is good Marty> yes congrats babe!!! Laly> <blushes Jack> Over what period of time Laly? Laly> about 2 years now Marty> one mo I brb Laly> ok Jack> ok Marty Jack> Laly, you have an MD who's keeping an eye on metabolics during this process? Laly> no Laly> hate drs n hospitals Laly> innate fear of them Jack> Yeah I can understand that. Marty> doctors or hospitals? or both? Laly> both Marty> hmmm yes they do have a huge arrogance and ego problems - if u follow me Jack> There are some good docs out there though. It's good to go on a quest for one. Laly> get inside just 1 step and shaking so bad Marty> oh wow Marty> that's panic attack sorta Jack> Laly what's the population size of the area where you live? Marty> found the DVD - Omega oils simply Explained with Dr Udo Erasmus Jack> Thanks Marty! Laly> my town- about 2,000 Jack> How far to the nearest town of 50 to 100,000 or more? Laly> 28 miles Laly> to the east Jack> ok thanks. We can have a chat about that via email. I want to support your taking at least small steps - within your safety zone - Marty> highly recommended - the omega 3 oils were only discovered scientifically in 1983 - Jack> of finding an empathic supportive MD. Mine is a wonderful young woman who's very skilled and supportive. Jack> In a town of 15,000 people. Marty> anyway I don't need to sell you this idea I am just excited about it Jack> ok Marty thanks for the details. Marty> Good thinking Jack Laly> will look at it marty, thanks. Marty> Cool Jack> Anything else anybody would like to share for today? Any other questions or thoughts? Laly> other than now I need another calming session Marty> Harvest is starting soon Marty> hmmm Jack> I hear you Laly - Be Gentle with Yourself. Marty> calm Marty> imagine a pool of water Jack> You have many allies here. Marty> large pond or lake Laly> as you said , 1 step at a time jack Jack> That's right Laly, and you're doing GREAT! Jack> You have INCREDIBLE COURAGE and FORTITUDE. Marty> so intensely calm that it doesn't ripple Laly> resolved the anger issue Jack> WOW. Laly> 3 very tough intense weeks it was Laly> stripping the layers back Jack> That's a long haul. You doin' ok for today? Marty> I hear you are dealing with stuff that seems way too grown up for me ! Laly> yeah I will be ok Jack> And you have people you can call, yes? Laly> hmmm Laly> *sighs Laly> marty- too grown up? Jack> or IM or communicate with. e.g. our friend in MI Laly> not really Laly> yes jack Laly> have that Jack> ok. GOOD. Laly> and the support from here is just phenomenal too Marty> I am a child when it comes to emotions I feel intimidated a bit by people who speak knowingly about these things Laly> I did a long blog in the forums about this marty Jack> Do you remember the Conference name and Topic? Laly> main_chat - Laly> heartfelt terror Laly> I believe Jack> Chat Main Room - heartfelt terror ? Laly> I think so Marty> wow sounds powerful just that Marty> could easily be intimidating Laly> maybe under the fears along the way jack Laly> checking Laly> yep Laly> fears along the way, my heartfelt terror Jack> Thanks! Marty> yes thanks I will have a read Laly> ok Jack> Feel free to post reply too, Marty! Laly> oh yes Marty> ah ok guys Jack> Thanks Laly! Marty> will do Laly> your welcome jack Jack> Thanks for the URL Marty! Jack> Anything else for today? Marty> www.udoerasmus.com Marty> that's a site with the oils made with health in mind Marty> hihi - hugs to all ! Laly> not from me Marty> and thanks for being here! Laly> HUGS back Laly> always here marty Jack> And thank YOU! I wish you both ALL THE BEST that life has to offer... Laly> thanks Marty> alrighty then see you all next week god willing ! Marty> thanks bye Jack> bye Marty! Laly> bye marty Laly> BIG HUGS to jack Marty> byebye Lally & Jack Jack> bye Laly - BIG HUGGGS Jack> Laly I was typing that line when your hugs to me appeared! Jack> :-) Marty> lol u guys Laly> lol- thinking alike again Marty> righ next week bye Now Jack> Take good care. Talk with you soon. Laly> sweet dreams Jack> u too! Session Close: Sat Jul 22 13:49:06 2006 Last edited by Laly; 16th June 2007 at 23:13. |
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