• Donnoi, and newbies Eyes188 and Taoman join Jack for a discussion of early results from the KSMO practice.
• Eyes188, who has practiced a few times reports getting good sensations from the Key Sound but notes that it feels forced. Jack cautions him about the trap of having a goal in mind and getting frustrated when the Practice doesn't deliver it.
• Eyes188 goes on to note that he has experienced some Echo Effects but may be downplaying it. donnoi tells him that the successes will build over time and awaken the deeper potential of the practice. Jack says that the biggest challenge for now is patience and learning to enjoy the practice while being aware of even the most subtle Echo Effects.
• Jack asks Eyes188 to describe his early Echo Effects. Eyes188 uses the analogy of a line graph where the top would be an orgasm and his feelings were line a line hovering barely above the bottom. Jack says that is an early sign which is typical for a few practice sessions and will rise with further practice. He recommends not "working" on it but continue the practice and let the body do the teaching.
• Taoman has tried the practice a few times and experienced some pleasurable Echo Effects. He has two issues 1) Feeling embarrassed to make too loud of a sound because of neighbors, and 2) A sense of vulnerability and sensitivity to some unfamiliar energies. donnoi responds that when he began his practice he was also reluctant to make to loud a sound so he concentrated on the vibrations until he felt comfortable. Jack says that intentionally making the Key Sound louder is actually counterproductive. He suggests that Taoman find a private retreat space for his practice.
• Taoman notes that he is encountering some emotional furballs and wonders if releasing them into the Key Sound is the way to go. Jack says that is a good approach unless they become overwhelming in which case Taoman should seek professional help.
• Jack identifies the goal of the practice is to quiet your mind, relax, and open to the awareness of what you are feeling and the subtle spontaneous sensations and awarenesses triggered through practice.

Session Start: Thu Jun 29 17:59:42 2006
Jack> Hey donnoi - Welcome !
donnoi> Hi Jack. just thought I'd drop by.
Jack> Thanks for checkin in! Have you seen all of those recent posts to the Forum? The News page has links to some great reports and dialogue.
donnoi> Yes, I am very impressed with the reports of the practitioners here, both new and old.
Jack> Yeah me too ! It's the fuel that keeps me going !
Jack> What questions and/or comments might you care to share this evening ?
donnoi> Maybe it's like the 100th Monkey syndrome. the more people get on board with this the easier it is for others to follow.
Jack> Yeah! Have you noticed that people are reporting noticeable Echo Effects just from reading some of the posts and chats?
Jack> Welcome Eyes188!
Eyes188> Hi
Jack> Pls meet donnoi.
Eyes188> Hey donnoi
Eyes188> I'm guessing Jackmgr is your bot
Jack> Spot on, mate! :-) Donnoi would you pls introduce yourself in our customary way, and then let's invite Eyes188 to do so as well, to the extent comfortable doing so.?
donnoi> Hi Eyes,I'm a single male living in New Mexico and been at this about 2 years.
Eyes188> I'm a single male living in Texas and just started about less than a week ago
donnoi> Glad you could be here.
Eyes188> One thing I wanted to let Jack know real quick
Jack> Well shucks howdy (substitute real Texan word for shucks), mighty proud you could make it, Eyes! :-)
Jack> Yes please!
Jack> Go ahead Eyes.
Jack> You have the Talking STick.
Eyes188> I ordered the key sound training download 3 days ago but haven't gotten the link yet
Eyes188> The first seminar took about 3 hours so I was expecting the same but I'm thinking it may not come at all this time
Jack> Whoa glad you told me! No need to wait that long! Please send me an email and put eyes188 in subject line. Send from address you used to order the link. I'm sorry
Jack> about that, we've had some trouble with one of our ISP's reliability suddenly heading south and so we had to take them outta the loop. It's working now, but pls just email me and we'll get it all taken care of.
Eyes188> well, my address is discreativedan@gmail.com I've sent you a couple emails already. But I can do that now if you'd like
Eyes188> ok
Jack> Have you added mail from jack@multiples.com to your Contacts/Friends/Whitelist ?
Eyes188> Yes, it does it automatically
Eyes188> the first seminar did come eventually
Jack> k. Second seminar? Key Sound Training?
Eyes188> yeah
Jack> std by pls.
Jack> k, start checkin your email. You should have it soon or there's a different issue.
Eyes188> ok thanks
Jack> Pls let me know if you get it or not. Thanks! I'm sorry about the hassle.
Eyes188> no problem. I just wanted to be sure you knew there were some email issues
Eyes188> ah, mail notification. looks like its sent
Jack> Yep. Thanks. To One and All : ANY time there is ANYthing not working right
Jack> or doesn't look right or needs improvement to make it easier... PLEASE -
Jack> Right Away - let me know in as much detail as you can - and Please if at all possible make suggestions on how to make it better . THANKS!
Jack> Thanks for letting me know Eyes. I look forward to hearing how your practice
Jack> evolves by adding the second seminar for further Key Sound Training .
Eyes188> Yeah, I thought it was be a good choice to get it since I keep forgetting how it's supposed to sound
donnoi> I don't have an agenda, I'm just here for moral support and to show my gratitude for all your work.
Jack> Ok donnoi, I really appreciate that! Hey Eyes, you have a great opportunity, cuz donnoi has taken this practice a very long way, so please feel free to ask !
Jack> Yeah definitely, Eyes! BTW, do you still have a working copy of the first seminar?
Eyes188> Yes, I have a copy on my computer and now on my iPod
Jack> And do you have the pdf document: Protocol Summary Update ?
Eyes188> Listened to it twice so far
Eyes188> Yes
Jack> Ok good just going thru the checklist. :-)
Eyes188> Yeah, I've also acquainted myself with the forum and thought I'd stop by the chat
Jack> Great! Are there any questions you have about practice and / or anything you'd like to share from your practice thus far?
Eyes188> Hmmm let's see
Eyes188> I wrote this down in notepad a couple days ago:
Eyes188> ...if it'll paste...
Eyes188> I feel I am starting to get the feel of what Key Sound practice involves. Every time I get good sensations because it feels like I am storing energy inside my body and letting it out via the Key Sound. Sometimes it feels almost like the pressure is getting pretty crazy, like its too much to handle. It feels overall kinda pleasurable, but also kinda weird.
Jack> Thanks!
Jack> Donnoi, what do you think?
donnoi> I think the experience of energy is a good sign. I also know that the sensations that arise will be very varied as both physical and emotional experiences... The deeper you go into your oewn process awareness the more the practice will surprise you.
Eyes188> But at the same time when I start getting into something I over analyze things. In this case it would keep me from relaxing or doing it correctly
Eyes188> Also I find the echo effect depend greatly upon my formation of the KS
Eyes188> for a while I was doing it completely wrong and nothing was going on
Eyes188> but I got up, listened to the 5 second KS wave and did get some small echoes
Eyes188> but then comes another issue: anytime I do it, it feels very forced, especially since when my lips close they stick together
Eyes188> stick together when they close*
Jack> Why are they sticking together? Not enough moisture? Dehydrated a bit?
Eyes188> Yes, the whole time I try to take the attitude that I'm just there to "survey" anything that happens
Eyes188> rather than trying for a specific thing (orgasms)
Jack> Good!
Eyes188> not sure really
Eyes188> since it can be really frustrating to have a goal in mind and not get it, especially when the constituents require you to be relaxed
donnoi> Yes, watching and not expecting .. great attitude.
Jack> Do you ever notice this at any other time or is it only during the 20 minute Multiple Orgasm Trigger practice sessions ?
Eyes188> as far as I know, only during practice
Jack> ok.
Jack> Well I suggest you consider having a glass of water handy, and have a little sip when need be during practice.
Eyes188> could be due to the air I'm releasing while doing KS
Jack> Otherwise anything untoward like that can be distracting and sap energy away from the emergence .
Jack> Yeah... Sip that water ! :-)
donnoi> "emergence" sweet way to describe it.
Jack> Also I want to alert you to the trap of having a goal in mind and then getting frustrated when the practice doesn't deliver it. That's one of the cognitive traps.
Jack> :-) Thanks donnoi ! :-)
Eyes188> aye
Jack> Aye Eye!
Eyes188> ARRR!
Jack> How does that frustration creep into the mix ?
Jack> Do you have " nothing much " syndrome ?
Jack> ;-)
Eyes188> Oh no, I was saying that's what I was avoiding
Eyes188> rather I would take the surveying attitude
Jack> Oh GOOD!
Eyes188> Yeah, sometimes I have the nothing much syndrome
Eyes188> but sometimes I get tiny bumps of "something nice"
Jack> Welcome to the club! How long have you been practicing?
Eyes188> I've practiced a few times during the week
Eyes188> though one time, I had what I would describe as a literal wave of pleasure throughout my body, going from my toes to my head
Eyes188> just one wave
Jack> Just ?
Eyes188> yeah, so far
Jack> What did that wave feel like ?
Eyes188> You know in the sci-fi movies where they have that laser beam that scans a person's body?
Jack> yeah!
Eyes188> it was like it did a scan from toe to my head over a period of 2 seconds
Eyes188> and the actual scanner being probably 6 inches tall
Jack> Have you ever felt anything like that before ?
Eyes188> no, not really
Jack> Did you like it ?
Eyes188> yeah it was good if I remember correctly
Eyes188> something worth pursuing
Jack> Do you think you remember correctly ?
Jack> ;-)
Eyes188> well, I know it was good, but how good is a little fuzzy, I may be downplaying it
Jack> why?
Jack> What does it serve to downplay it ?
Eyes188> because things are usually more intense when you're experiencing it than when you remember it
Eyes188> I may be downplaying it unintentionally
Jack> Definitely I didn't mean to imply otherwise. :-)
donnoi> The body remembers it's successes and will reproduce it as a natural part of peaking pleasr=ure and avoiding pain. We just need to get out of the way and allow it I think. The successes will build upon one another over time and awaken the deeper potential of the practice.
Jack> That's the voice of considerable experience, Eyes :-)
Jack> You can do a search in the Forum on the keyword donnoi and you'll see what I mean. :-)
Eyes188> I've found Pan's posts to be pretty enlightening to read as well
Eyes188> kind of a coincidence since I actually saw him first as PanDragon at another site
donnoi> Yea Pan!
Eyes188> and even funnier since he also knows amygdala clicking which I found out about about a year ago
Jack> No kidding! And it was great to see that he just posted another highly articulate whopper in the Aneros conference under the topic of Chronic Pain resulting from spinal injury.
Jack> Eyes, I'd say the biggest challenge for now is patience ... to learn how to hang out in that zone of doing the practice and being aware of
Jack> even the most subtle Echo Effects and ENJOY this new connection between your conscious self and these spontaneous feelings that are JUST BEGINNING to awaken .
Jack> It's easy to trip up while trying to look down the road for the big ones - and stumble right over what's already happening now .
Jack> For example, note that you did
Eyes188> yeah
Jack> describe that wave as pleasurable ...
Jack> and... UNPRECEDENTED!
Eyes188> I'm not even considering orgasms right now
Jack> Yeah that's great re: not considering orgasms now ... just learn to appreciate that the
Jack> fact that you ARE noticing SPONTANEOUS sensations including even a wave - like rush - however brief -
Jack> that all means that you ARE establishing the CONNECTION between practice and the SPONTANEOUS Echo Effects .
Jack> Stay tuned ! :-)
Eyes188> I think that if I can just get my KS sounding correct and not forced I should be going good
Jack> Yeah and the fact that within the first week of practice you are already experiencing clear Echo Effects is a VERY good sign !
Eyes188> before I even knew MMO even existed I was always interested in diaphragmatic breathing and meditation stuff, so I think that is helping me some
Jack> In other words, yeah your Key Sound probably could stand some fine tuning, but please understand that THE PRESENCE OF THE ECHO EFFECTS signals that
Jack> already the Key Sound IS good enough to be in the ballpark... Now it's just a matter of relaxing and fine tuning.
donnoi> The orgasms we are cultivating here are in my experience a whole body phenomenon. Much of what we are learning is to connect the unconscious and insensitive body areas together so they can become a part of a greater process. This may not seem erotic at the time.
Jack> That's great to hear about your previous interest in these kinds of breathing patterns, etc., Eyes!
donnoi> Yes!!!!!!!!
Eyes188> just breathing correctly can help a lot. I breathe with my "stomach" naturally now after a year or two of doing it
Jack> VERY IMPORTANT POINT that donnoi makes there, Eyes... INCLUDING that especially in the early stages, the spontaneous Echo Effects may not necessarily feel particularly erotic.
Eyes188> I can concur with that. the wave I got as well as the small echoes I get every once in a while haven't been erotic at all
Jack> That sounds good Eyes, but also, don't worry about consciously trying to control your diaphragm. IF you are making the Key Sound even more or less correctly,
Jack> the diaphragmatic movements will take care of themselves.
Eyes188> yeah, I don't really think about it that much
Jack> Re: not erotic yet - yeah that's fine that they aren't particularly erotic - especially in a focused genital way - but also recall that you did say that they were pleasurable - especially that wave !
Eyes188> It's really quite surprising that the author/creator himself would host chats and post on the forum
Jack> Thanks! Ten year's worth so far. But folks better hurry, I'm getting older . :-)
Eyes188> I recently read Alan Ritz book if you're familiar with it.
Eyes188> Scientifically guar.... blah blah blah
Eyes188> There is some kind of conspiracy with that book
Jack> I saw the book but haven't read it.
donnoi> I think we need to learn to trust the body more. That does not mean we have no aspiration, but that we trust that an almost evolutionary force of intelligence knows how to get us there. To esoteric?
Eyes188> He actually talked to pan and some other guy and it was ugly. He ended up deleting all his posts. I think he's crazy
Jack> Not at all too esoteric in my book, donnoi. I find it to be a very succinct characterization of one of the founding assumptions I made to pursue this discovery .
Jack> Well I hope what you're finding here is helpful to you , Eyes !
donnoi> Yes, back to the book. Stick with the plan.
Eyes188> but anyway, my whole point of mentioning that was to make the point that there is no way to contact him if you have questions/comments and I think that hurts the credibility of his questionable advice
Eyes188> whereas you open yourself up to the public
Eyes188> and I think that alone will help people that first come across the site realize that it's not just some bogus scam
Jack> Thanks very much !
Jack> Hey Eyes, would you be willing to describe in a little more detail what the bumps of something nice were like ?
Eyes188> If you could put the slight glimmering of something shiny into feelings, that would be what it was like. another way i imaged it would be
Eyes188> imagine a line graph.
Eyes188> say the line goes to the very top. that would be an orgasm
Eyes188> would look probably like an upside down V
Eyes188> (but then again I'm not sure what a KS orgasm is like, just assuming due to experience with ejaculation accompanied orgasm)
Eyes188> but the bumps I was describing would be a line that hovered up and down just barely above the bottom of the line graph
Eyes188> ~~~~~~~~
Jack> RIGHT!
Jack> Welcome to the EARLY Zone ... We often talk about practice resulting in this multi-orgasmic Zone that becomes
Jack> accessible . What you're feeling is a low-amplitude (i.e., pretty typical for only two practice sessions ) version. Further practice raises the amplitude of the BASELINE and adds some nice peaks as practice continues over time .
Eyes188> sometimes it would be a completely flat line (aka "nothing") but right now you could say I'm working on just getting barely above that
Jack> First step: Stop working on it .
Jack> Just show up for practice and let your body teach YOU .
Eyes188> lol yeah, have to keep that in mind constantly
donnoi>
Jack> Please let go of your trying to do anything other than just relaxing making a good enough Key Sound and enjoying the results however slight or subtle they may at first appear .
Jack> :-)
Eyes188> that's probably the #1 thing that gets people isn't it
Eyes188> everybody wants it NOW
Jack> Yeah: McOrgasm at the driveup window.
Jack> But that's how we've been enculturated. Our environment keeps pumping up more and more stimulation and people it seems often wind up FEELING less and less .
donnoi> Its an investment in yourself. You can have a small fix now or an undreamable reward later.
Jack> That's why I turned it all upside down and figured the path just might be via LESS stimulation and tension or tightening PC muscles or anything else - at least as a NECESSARY component.
Jack> The Key Sound REPLACES the heavy stimulation and gives us a path to MUCH higher levels of arousal and orgasmic intensity .
donnoi> In my own experience, eventually the body process follows your thought alone without any effort.
Jack> That WAVE you reported is what I sometimes refer to as a proto orgasm - a precursor of the full on orgasmic waves .
Jack> I agree donnoi - provided we get our WILL out of the way :-)
donnoi> Thanks for the clarification.
Jack> :-)
Jack> Eyes just imagine that wave phenomenon over time lasting a little longer than two seconds - and then a little longer -
Jack> and that something sweet about it gets a little sweeter - and then a little sweeter - and then a little sweeter still.
Jack> Imagine that.
Jack> And you are still likely to be VERY surprised!
Jack> What do you think donnoi ? :-)
donnoi> Oh my yesssss, it is that way!
Jack> Got a WITNESS !
Jack> :-)
Eyes188> I have had a feeling like that for about 15 minutes before
Eyes188> it is what I refer to as the AFAS
Eyes188> Awesome Friday Afternoon Session
Eyes188> and by session I don't mean Key sound, this is actually what prompted me to study about MMOs
Jack> Very cool! Yeah Eyes, just show up for practice and let your body's own til-now slumbering power awaken for you .
Eyes188> after the AFAS, for the first time in a long time I was SATISFIED
Jack> Your report of that spontaneous just underscores how this strong this newly awakening potential is!
donnoi> Satisfied? I hear you Eyes.
Eyes188> Do people who are good at KSMO often report that feeling of complete satisfaction when they're done?
Jack> Well Eyes, I sure look forward to your blogging your experiences in the Forum, and to your return here to the chat room !
Jack> What do you say, donnoi ?
Eyes188> What I experienced was nowhere close to being an orgasm, but it's something I will remember for the rest of my life (thought hopefully it will be flooded out by too many similar experiences in the future)
donnoi> I think so. It is certainly true for me. Ejaculation though intense often does not satisfy that deeply or completely.
Jack> Yeah many many guys report a feeling of is that all there is after a conventional ejaculation orgasm .
Jack> The GOOD NEWS is
Jack> that as you continue this practice the orgasms you experience WITH ejaculation will ALSO tend to be more intense and pleasurable !
donnoi> true also.
Jack> But the non-ejaculatory ones in my experience have been THE highest . It's that ZONE I was talking about ... Those waves tend to transition to a ZONE where it's all you can eat ! You just tap into
Jack> a seemingly infinite artesian wellspring of sensual and orgasmic feeling that you can reinvite through your body and psyche
Jack> as often and as long as you have the energy or any desire to continue .
donnoi> It covers the whole gamut of making love, not just the climax.
Jack> VERY IMPORTANT POINT Thanks donnoi !
Jack> Well guys, is there anything else you'd like to ask or share this evening?
Eyes188> Yeah I think I have one more question. Do you think visualizing the KS is as effective as sounding it out? What are your thoughts on that?
Jack> donnoi?
donnoi> it's been fun, best wishes Eyes.
Eyes188> Hello Taoman
Jack> RE: Your ? Eyes, I think visualizing the sound can be effective, but I also think that to allow yourself to ALLOW the Key Sound to be expressed sets up literal vibrations in the body which seem to help awaken the response.
Jack> Hi Taoman!
donnoi> my practice varies. in the beginning I encourage vocalization. Stay on protocol.
Taoman> hi all
Eyes188> that's probably the best idea
donnoi> Hi Toaman
Eyes188> How often do you guys setup the chat?
Jack> About 3 to 4 times a month.
Taoman> Thanks Jack for hosting this. What an honor for the originator to take all this time. No joke.
donnoi> (Bowing down)
Jack> Eyes, re: chat schedule: Please bookmark: http://www.multiples.com/chats/multi...own-clock.html
Jack> Thank you very much Taoman!
Jack> And donnoi - oh please! :-)
Jack> I still put'em on one leg at a time.
donnoi> :-)
Taoman> I'm relatively new to this practice. I've tried it a few times, and experienced some really pleasurable echo effects. The two main blocks I ran into are 1) I feel embarrassed to make too loud of a sound since I have housemates and nearby neighbors and
Taoman> 2) I was experiencing a sense of vulnerability and sensitivity to outside energies that seemed strange and sometimes not so friendly. This sensitivity was exacerbated when my sexual energy became aroused.
donnoi> In the beginning I was reluctant to be to loud. I concentrated on the vibration instead until I felt comfortable.
Taoman> so you just did the sound softly?
donnoi> Enough to FEEL it.
Taoman> Ok that sounds right
Jack> Yeah and INTENTIONALLY making the Key Sound louder to try to trigger the Echo Effects is usually counterproductive.
Jack> However,
Jack> as arousal increases as a result of practice,
Jack> at some point you are likely to feel that pent up feeling as arousal builds up .
Jack> Most times, most guys and many gals at this stage of arousal decide to go for it to relieve that tension and by go for it I mean increase to continuous stimulation
Jack> to get the relief of orgasm - however in the Multiple Orgasm Trigger approach ,
Jack> instead of increasing stimulation and popping the ejaculation breaker , you learn to REDIRECT that accumulating pent up feeling
Jack> out through the Key Sound , which will automatically tend to make it louder. Please note that is VERY different
Jack> than intentionally making the Key Sound louder. That said,
Jack> I urge you to start looking for some kind of private retreat space that you can go to as a special treat where you can practice
Jack> in true privacy, without concern for sound. This may be renting a cabin for a night or two out in the boonies - or a motel or hotel room where the sound proofing is good - also some nice music
Jack> or the natural sounds like donnoi was recommending e.g. recordings of rainfall or water rushing can help mask the sound. Finally,
Jack> one can GENTLY rest a pillow or towel across but not in the mouth to help muffle the sound. Please take personal responsibility for doing this in a way that you do not impair your breathing !
Jack> I hope those suggestions are helpful, Taoman!
Taoman> That sounds right Jack. Luckily, my house is on 2 acres and my housemates are gone at certain times - I think I'll be able to make the space.
Jack> THERE ya go !
Jack> Where there's a will , eh? :-)
Taoman> The other thing I noticed in addition to the increased sensitivity to energy (which is no longer as big an issue) is that I run into a lot of pent up emotions - sadness, anger, joy, etc. I guess you just release these into the key sound?
Jack> Yeah. The emotional furballs . Yes that's a very good approach, provided you feel comfortable doing so . If the feelings begin to feel overwhelming or persistent, then
Jack> I recommend you seek professional assistance in resolving them ! If one avoids or postpones addressing these issues when they come up - they are missing a great opportunity to grow and are leaving in place, blocks to higher levels of pleasure.
Jack> That is EXCELLENT that you are recognizing these feelings and that you are motivated to deal with them !
donnoi> I do notice that sometimes the key sound happens through me as a "roar" and is not intentional at all. It is an incredible release of tension in body mind and emotions. There seems to not a small amount of healing that many of us must go through with sexuality and pleasure in general.
Jack> MOST DEFINITELY donnoi ! That is still the case for me ! We live in lovely but sometimes very wounding world so there is always more opportunity to grow and heal and learn and ... CELEBRATE !
Taoman> that sounds right donnoi. Yeah jack, although I must admit, being in the alternative healing field, and having had many practitioners, I kind of wish I was "done" so to speak, but yet, blocks are still there.
Jack> Yes. I recommend checking out the resources at the American Association of Sex Educators Counselors and Therapists: http://www.aasect.org/directory.asp as they
Jack> are trained SPECIFICALLY for helping heal emotional wounds that may also have some relationship to or impact on one's sexuality and ability to open more to bliss and intimacy .
Taoman> that sounds cool.
donnoi> This is a very intimate practice and it is not surprising that our fears, woundeness and vulnerabilities will surface.
Taoman> It also seems that meditating beforehand sometimes smooths things out for the sexual practice and sets a better stage for being present to the emotions that arise.
donnoi> I encourage meditation and treat the KSMOP as a meditation.
Jack> YES I AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU !
Taoman> do you see this practice as a path to enlightenment?
Jack> What's your hunch ?
Taoman> Well, I guess I want to know if you've personally experienced enlightenment through its practice.
Jack> Depends on what you call Enlightenment. What is your operational definition of Enlightenment ?
Jack> Then I'll tell you if I've experienced it or not :-)
Taoman> direct experience of the oneness of all beings and phenomena to start.
Jack> donnoi you wanna go first ?
Jack> or... would you ? :-)
donnoi> I invite you to check out my sacred sexuality thread in the yoga forum...
Jack> THANKS FOR REMINDING EVERYONE ABOUT THAT EXCELLENT THREAD !
donnoi> For me, this whole practice is integrated now into my spiritual practice.
donnoi> Orgasm becomes heartgasm which embraces all experience.
Jack> Taoman , are you hearing any YES in what donnoi is saying ?
Taoman> yeah, since I haven't had the experience personally, I can taste the flavor of it.
Taoman> Intellectually I've had lots of insight, now I see sexuality and other practices, like yoga actually, as a path to open my body to what my mind has heard about.
Jack> That's a great way to describe it! In fact, some people have posted in this Forum about synethesia - the tasting of the orgasms and the color visualizations of them as well as the fragrances .
Taoman> interesting
Jack> Yeah that's a great way to put it, Taoman. That's why in this practice the goal is to quiet your mind, relax, and OPEN to the awareness of what you are feeling and the SUBTLE SPONTANEOUS sensations and awarenesses that this practice triggers .
Eyes188> I gotta run to the store. If anybody leaves, here's a goodbye in advance!
Taoman> bye eyes
donnoi> Thank you Eyes.
Jack> Based on your definition Taoman I say yes I have ... at times ... rather than all beings and phenomena one by one for me it is a sensation of a deeply intimate sensual experience with the SOURCE of the Creative Force.
Jack> Thanks for being here tonite Eyes! See you in the Forum and in future chats!
Jack> Taoman , any other questions we might answer for you this evening?
Taoman> yep jack, that is what I'd like to experience too. and the heartgasm that donnoi talks about. I experienced one for about 4-5 seconds once, and it was amazing.
Taoman> no that's it for now. could you remind me where to get the protocol printout?
Jack> That's a great beginning Taoman! Yes you stick with this practice and continue to ask for help and you'll have it!
Jack> You should've rec'd it when you purchased the introductory audio seminar Male Multiple Orgasm Step by Step - send me an email from the email address you
Jack> used when you made your purchase or to which you currently receive chat reminders, with " from the chat - protocol request " in the Subject line and I'll send you another copy. You can also download it at any time from Step One on the Main Downloads page for that introductory seminar.
Taoman> thanks Jack, and thanks donnoi, peace be with you tonight. Friends.
Jack> It's VERY important to have that guide available, Taoman. You should save it, print it, and use it as your step by step guide .
Taoman> yeah I'll get a copy of it.
donnoi> Thank you for being here Taoman.
Jack> You are quite welcome Taoman! And thank you donnoi for being here as well.
Taoman> goodnight.
Jack> And a pleasant good evening to Eyes as well! Goodnight All!
Session Close: Thu Jun 29 20:12:18 2006