<center><font color="red">Complete Transcript of Multiple Orgasm Trigger Coaching Chat 0223</center><font color="black"><hr>Please post YOUR comments AND QUESTIONS in reply...<center><font color="red">VERY IMPORTANT</center><font color="black">PLEASE remember: DO NOT quote the entire transcript in your reply. ONLY quote the segments about which you are specifically commenting... Thanks!<HR>Summary of Chat 0223 (full transcript below):
<font color="red">[*]Pan, Laly, mickeyjudd, jimwho, and donnoi join Jack for a discussion of panic attacks, terror at the gates, suggestions for relaxation, the Aneros device, and sharing the Protocol with partners.<font color="black">[*]Laly shares that she is having panic attacks and is not sure what set them off. She says that it has nothing to do with the KSMO protocol. Pan responds that he started having panic attacks about 4 months ago. Jack suggests contacting someone she trusts for support.[*]newbie mickeyjudd shares that he is just listening to the first KSMO CD, has tried the sound and sensing some Echo Effects in his pelvic area. He is also downloading the second CD and inquires if there is a spelling of the correct sound like the one of the incorrect sound in the Protocol PDF file. Jack suggests listening to the second demo track of the Key Sound Training seminar and follow along with that. He also suggests making the Key Sound very gently without straining or forcing as doing so will actually limit the flow of pleasure.[*]mickeyjudd asks if there are any suggestions for relaxing the throat. Laly suggests having the head in a relaxed position with the focal point at a place above not down at the genital area or below the chin. Jack emphasizes taking things slowly and not trying to force the sound. Pan inquires whether mickeyjudd's' throat is tight before starting a practice session. mickeyjudd responds that it is. Jack replies that he should find a position where his neck and the rest of the body can stay relaxed and he might find it helpful to do some vocal warmup exercises prior to practice. Pan shares that whenever he finds his throat tight, he spends a few minutes humming a tune in a low key to relax it. Laly says she meditates for a few minutes. Jack replies that these are both good tips.[*]mickeyjudd says he is experiencing some difficulties with past issues. Jack inquires what is happening right now. mickeyjudd replies his terror. Jack asks if has paused the Protocol practice and consulted a counselor or therapist. mickeyjudd says he is seeing several. Jack says this is excellent and suggests giving one of them a call to let them know what is going on. He also asks mickeyjudd to post to the Forum on his progress.[*]jimwho has had to use masturbation to reach orgasm and is looking for alternative methods. He has tried the practice and reports being very turned on sexually. He also reports getting a terrific dry orgasm a few hours later and had to get himself off. Jack asks if has read the pdf file. jimwho replies he is currently studying it. Jack recommends doing the practice during the daytime so when the powerful Echo Effects start two hours later he has the whole day ahead of him and to use the Key Sound as an alternative to more stimulation.[*]jimwho inquires if anyone has experience with the Aneros device. Pan says that he has and is a regular poster to the Aneros forum. Jack says that the Aneros provides another form of stimulation and can be great fun to combine with the KSMO Protocol. However he also invites jimwho to discover how much arousal he can activate by using as little stimulation as possible. He goes on to say that when the energy builds up to the higher levels and jimwho feels the urge to ejaculate he should learn to ejaculate the energy through the Key Sound instead of a physical ejaculation. donnoi volunteers that this could change his life. Laly and Pan agree.[*]jimwho says that once he learns the Protocol, he would like to introduce it to his wife and asks for suggestions on how to do so. Laly replies that there is a thread in the Forum on this topic. Jack says there is an exercise for couples on the audio seminar but says an important issue is if his wife wants to explore something new for herself. Pan suggests talking to her about his solo practice and why he is doing it. Jack recommends beginning by using the Key Sound to open the heart connection between them and not making it about sex at first. Pan shares that his wife wanted to try it because she watched how it changed him over time making him a much happier and healthier person.[*]Jack suggests to all the readers that they search the Forum for Laly, Pan, and donnoi as they have all made moving and informative posts. He concludes by thanking all for their kind and gentle advice.<HR>
Session Start: Thu Nov 17 18:01:40 2005
Pan> Hi Laly! How are you tonight?
Laly> Good Pan thanks
Laly> tonight anyway.
jimwho> Hi! I'm jimwho. I'm new and won't have much to say. So for now I'll look, listen and learn and maybe an occasional question.
Laly> welcome jimwho.
Pan> That's fine Jim. Welcome aboard! :-)
jimwho> Thanks everyone. It's nice to feel welcome
Pan> (jim, please feel free to let us know if you have any questions)
jimwho> Okay. I'm listening and learning
Pan> Laly, I just read your latest post, it sounded pretty rough.
Laly> I know pan-
Laly> struggling with it
Laly> still.
Pan> I'm so sorry to hear that.
Laly> Is breaking my heart, :-9.
Pan> Did this experience occur during a session?
Laly> No.. that is was making it frightening for me- happened out of the blue.
jimwho> Since I haven't read the post, please explain briefly what happened
Laly> Sorry jim- yes ...
Laly> I was talking to a friend Tuesday night and in a minute I had the greatest sensation of being blocked in
Laly> locked in a place I couldn' t get out of.
Laly> I was so frightened and scared and thus set of a panic attack.
Laly> and I do not know what set it off or nothing.
Laly> and still-- right now am shaking so bad.
Laly> even as I try and post it.
Pan> Boy, I can relate! I started having panic attacks about 4 months ago.
jimwho> Do you think it stemmed from anything associated with multiples protocol
Laly> no jim.. not from KSMO protocol or even a session.
Jack> Hi Laly, Jim, and Pan... Laly, I'm very sorry to hear about your distress!
Laly> Thanks Jack.
Jack> Have you ever had an experience like this b4?
Pan> Laly, you said the last time you felt that way in 1986? Did it feel the same? Or just at a similar degree of distress?
Laly> an unknown terror I cannot identify.
Laly> much worse Pan than then
Jack> Whew, you popped loose a MAJOR furball for sure!
Laly> un huh jack.
Jack> Is there someone you can call whom you trust who could be with you for support?
Laly> professionally??
Jack> Either.
Laly> just a friend.
Laly> but I hate to be burdening .
Jack> How about giving them a call and asking them to come over?
Laly> ok. can try.
Jack> That "hate to burden" feeling is what a I call "good guilt..." It can pop up when you are thinking
Jack> of taking an action of taking care of yourself instead of suffering alone.
Jack> That kind of burden feeling is an effect of the abuse you have survived, most likely.
Laly> True..
Jack> Yeah at least give it a go, and let them know the intensity of your situation.
Jack> We're here for you meanwhile, of course!
Pan> Absolutely!
Laly> thanks..couldn't even meditate Jack ..
Laly> making it worse in some ways.
Jack> Yeah I just read your post right quick. Definitely a time to ask for help. Asking for help when you actually need it is a great recovery step!
jimwho> Boy laly, we hope this clears up for you quick. We need to get your attention back on KSMO because you seem to have so much to offer us newbies
Laly> oh .. jim ... thanks.. am crying now ...
Laly> UGG.
Pan> Oh sweetie...
Laly> happy tears tho :-).
Pan> OH! lol!
Jack> May we bookmark your place in that so you can give your friend a call?
jimwho> let it flow. It will wash away all those fears
Jack> Hey mickey, welcome!
Pan> hi mickey. :-)
mickeyjudd> hello,thanks
Laly> I am ok Jack.
Laly> hi Mickey .
Jack> We're talking with Laly, who's had some strong feelings coming up that are uncomfortable for her.
Jack> Laly, r.u. sure about that? Or are you still in "don't want to be a burden" mode?
Laly> yes, am sure. and no on 2nd question.
Jack> For example, we can pass the Talking Stick to jim and then mickey while you contact your friend.
Jack> Then when you get off the phone you can have it back... "High Priority" :-)
Laly> ok..I will pass. thanks
Jack> Great! Just let us know when you're off the phone, ok?
Laly> ok
Jack> Way to go!!!
Laly> :-)
Jack> :-)
Jack> Ok jimwho, would you be willing to take a moment to introduce yourself
Jack> e.g. your approx age, where you're typing from generally,
Jack> and if ok, marital status, sexual orientation, how long you've
Jack> been practicing the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol... Just share only
Jack> what you're comfortable sharing... We never ask more than here.
Jack> It's also ALWAYS ok to say "I'll pass, for now." etc. :-)
jimwho> Sure. I'll start by telling you all that I' straight, happily married and I'm 75 years old. I have always been interested in everything sexual and have explored my body and that of my sweetheart thoroughly. We have been married 30 years and have always had a very good sex life.. Only now, maybe old age is beginning to catch up because for the past year or so, I have not been able to have an orgasm during sex with my wife..
jimwho> only by masturbation so I've been on the net looking for alternative ways to get some satisfaction. Will that do for starters?
Jack> How about you mickey? I think
Jack> this is your first time here isn't it?
mickeyjudd> Hello.I'm a newbee. Just listening to first CD.
Jack> That's great! Where are you typing from?
mickeyjudd> I've tried the sound and I have sensed energy in my pelvic area.
Jack> All Right!
Jack> Welcome to the Echo Effects!
mickeyjudd> I'm now downloading 2nd CD as we speak.
mickeyjudd> I have background in Reichian therapy and trauma healing
mickeyjudd> Jack in the pdf file you show spelling of incorrect sound.
mickeyjudd> Do you have a spelling of correct sound?
Jack> Hey Welcome donnoi!
Laly> hi donnoi.
donnoi> Hi all.
Jack> mickey, just go ahead and listen to the second track ( the demo track that's 20 min long ) of the Key Sound Training seminar
Jack> and follow along with that. The idea is
Jack> Not to force the Key Sound
Jack> but just very gently, as deep and husky as you can, ***without straining or forcing***.
Jack> It's very important not to slip into straining with the sound in *any* way. :-)
Jack> When you are straining or forcing, you are actually limiting the flow of pleasure.
Laly> yes.
mickeyjudd> OK I have downloaded and I will listen to it. Thanks
Jack> Were you able to get thru, Laly?
Laly> was not home- so meditating.
mickeyjudd> Any suggestions for relaxing the throat?
Pan> :-)
Jack> One sec, mickey. Thanks.
Jack> How did you feel by going ahead and making the call?
Laly> *sighs .. much better thanks.
Laly> still a little shaky but ok.
Jack> RE: "better"... See what happens when you trance-end the "burden" vibe and take a step on your own behalf?
Laly> Yeah.
Jack> Yeah re: the shakiness... It takes a while for the adrenaline to metabolize.
Jack> Did you leave a msg about what was up?
Laly> Just that I wanted to talk was all.
Jack> Way to ask for what you need!!!
Laly> *smiles.
Jack> :-)
Jack> Laly, are you OK with just relaxing little bit and letting the adrenaline burn off while we talk with Mickey a little bit?
Laly> yes.. but may I answer Mickey's question Jack?
Jack> By all means!
Laly> Mickey.. is your head in a relaxed position to start i.e. not straining the neck -looking down
Jack> [ very good question, Laly! ]
Laly> your focal point should be a place above you not down at genital area or below chin anyway.
mickeyjudd> Yes, I contract on the second part of the sound
Laly> ok
Jack> Yeah, in the beginning it's a bit of a challenge to make a smooth transition in the second part of the sound.
Laly> but allow it to be gentle .. not force the sound
Laly> by not pushing it harder from there.
Jack> The important thing is to just take it very slowly, and not be trying to "make" orgasms happen, just make the sound is husky and gentle as you can.
Jack> Yeah, I agree with Laly, it's very important not to try to push the sound or force it.
mickeyjudd> I'm not sure where "place above me" Is? ;-)
Laly> a point in the ceiling to which you can focus your mind and allow it to relax mickey.
Pan> yeah, I often find myself very "tuned into" the ceiling during my sessions. ;-)
mickeyjudd> For me this seems to be "dissociative" and not something I want to do.
Laly> I have gotten to the point I do not focus on the ceiling but instead mentally focus on the stars, moon and sky outside .
Laly> ok mickey.
Jack> That's totally fine.
mickeyjudd> Again out-of-body and something I am not comfortable doing in my healing
Laly> is ok mickey {{hugs}}.
mickeyjudd> Jack what is totally fine???
Jack> That you choose not to be concerned about the ceiling. :-)
Pan> Mickey, do u feel your throat is tight before you start your practice sessions?
mickeyjudd> Yah, sure one of my "last" places or armoring
Jack> The important thing is to find a position where your neck and in fact all the rest of your body can stay nice and relaxed to the old process.
Jack> You might even find it helpful to do some vocal warmup exercises prior to practice...
Pan> totally!
mickeyjudd> AH, how does one "relax" which is what got me to your website
Jack> For example, some relaxed chanting or singing scales or whatever it is enjoyable to you.
Laly> mickey.. for me I meditate for a few minutes beforehand.
Pan> Whenever my throat feels a little tight before I get started, I spend a few minutes humming a tune in a low key. It relaxes the muscles nicely.
Jack> ALSO a VERY GOOD TIP!
Jack> BOTH of 'em... Laly's AND Pan's.
Laly> is blushing.
Jack> There's a good chance that following along
Jack> with the 20 minute demo in the Key Sound Training seminar
Jack> may also help you relax.
mickeyjudd> Ah were it that easy for me!!! :-((((((
Laly> give it time mickey
Jack> Were what that easy? Singing scales?
Jack> Chanting OM?
Laly> relaxing?
Pan> humming the pledge of Allegiance?
Jack> LMAO!
Pan> ;-)
Pan> works for me anyway...
Laly> Mickey.. right now I am listening to Spanish guitar music.. is how I relax.
Laly> :-).
donnoi> Remember "Tonning?"
Jack> mickey, what were you referring to when you said "Were it that easy for me" ?
mickeyjudd> For there are two issues. One ,How to "relax' 2. How to stay embodied
mickeyjudd> Jack In your CD you talk about stopping if something else from the past comes up
Jack> Yes.
Laly> yes mickey.
Jack> Is that what's happening for you, mickey?
mickeyjudd> That's my experience from my own trauma healing
mickeyjudd> YES!!! Of course.
Jack> What are your options for getting help with the issue that came up, mickey?
Jack> Issue, or feeling, or? that is.
mickeyjudd> Take a look at my website heal-ur-self.com.
Jack> Will do, meanwhile... How about a short answer? :-)
mickeyjudd> I have a lot of support and doing several different healing modalities
jimwho> Mickey, what does relaxed mean to you ? Can you describe what you think it should feel like so you will know it when it happens?
mickeyjudd> Stay in your body and either express or transform the difficult emotions
Jack> ... ***and get the help you need*** to help you with that.
Laly> and this is what you are finding hard.. to do either of these mickey?
mickeyjudd> I'm feeling some of the streaming, pulsation with doing the sound
mickeyjudd> my problem is having that happen in my whole body
jimwho> Is there anyway to let all that stuff go and just concentrate on what's happening right now while you are staring at the ceiling?
mickeyjudd> If I do unexpressed emotions from my past are that needing attention and healing
mickeyjudd> Again staring at the ceiling for me is going out of my body and that is not
mickeyjudd> what I want to do
Laly> ok mickey
mickeyjudd> Yes it is all happening right now.
Jack> What is all happening? Feeling discomfort?
Laly> Sounds like you are in the same place as me right now.. concerning the difficult emotions things.
mickeyjudd> After all that is all we have. ;-))
mickeyjudd> YES, Thank you.
Jack> Ok... can we ALL take a moment, and a relaxing breath?
Pan> ROFL!
Laly> Yes Jack, been doing that
Pan> Nice one brothah.
Laly> .
Jack> I'm getting a little confused with who's answering which question, etc. Would it be ok
Jack> if I could just ask mickey a question or two and mick, it you'd respond to that, maybe we can help
Jack> you sort some of this out. Would that be ok?
mickeyjudd> Yes
Jack> Ok, thanks!
Jack> Let's say if we can work our way back...
Jack> You said it's all happening right now...
mickeyjudd> Yes
Jack> What is?
mickeyjudd> My terror
Jack> ok. Have you paused your practice of the Protocol?
mickeyjudd> Yes
Jack> Good!
Jack> Are you currently working with a counselor or therapist?
mickeyjudd> My experience of my terror is not new to me
mickeyjudd> Yes several ;-)))))))))))
Jack> Several counselors?
mickeyjudd> Of course!! Why not?Several different modalities.
Jack> Ok. Are they all aware of one another?
mickeyjudd> Yes
Jack> EXCELLENT!
mickeyjudd> Jack I've been doing this for 25 years
Jack> Ok. On a scale from 1 to 10, 10 being the most intense, what your current "terror feelings" level?
mickeyjudd> 100
Jack> Seriously?
mickeyjudd> SUDS level that is.;-))))
Jack> I don't understand.
Pan> Subjective Units of distress
mickeyjudd> Yes seriously if I return to my body. Yes
Jack> Ok. Do you live alone or with others?
mickeyjudd> Alone
Jack> Ok. How about giving one of your counselors a call to let them know what's going on with you?
mickeyjudd> I have a session tomorrow. This is not new or because of the sound
mickeyjudd> I'm OK with this
Jack> Thanks for clarifying that!
Jack> What information would you like from us tonight.
mickeyjudd> Yes I do not want you to worry. Thanks for being concerned.
Jack> You're very welcome!
mickeyjudd> Relaxing of the throat. Concrete operational things I might do
mickeyjudd> Focusing on the ceiling is not for me
Jack> Were the specific suggestions we offered of any interest to you?
mickeyjudd> Focusing on my throat on doing something else would help
mickeyjudd> The idea of keeping head down on first part and softly going back
mickeyjudd> on the second part of the sound is good for me
Laly> good.
Laly> can I ask a question?
mickeyjudd> Yes
Laly> Have you tried talking to your throat.. letting it know that you love it.
mickeyjudd> Good idea.
Laly> :-).
mickeyjudd> ON doing it just night It brings up more terror in me. This I consider Good!
Laly> Is also a technique I use as well.
mickeyjudd> For it shows me another area I will work on for my healing. Thank you.
Laly> your welcome.
Jack> Will you keep us posted thru the Forum on how that's working for you?
mickeyjudd> Also you can generalize it to any area of your body. Thanks. :-)))))))
Laly> I know mickey :-).
mickeyjudd> Its working good at the moment. Thanks to all for your patience. My need
mickeyjudd> for community and support is being met. Good night for now.
Jack> Take care. Thanks for stopping by!
Laly> Good night Mickey. Best of luck to you and have a blessed nite.
Pan> good luck mickey. :-)
mickeyjudd> you too Pan. Love Mickey
Laly> whew!.
Jack> :-)
Jack> Hey Jim! You still with us?
jimwho> yes
Pan> glad you could stick around.
Jack> Have you had a chance to practice yet?
jimwho> Well it was an interesting way to break in a newby.. Your willingness to serve mickey when he needed it was most impressive
Jack> Thanks! I want this to feel like a safe place. I don't do therapy here, just sex education, but I like to offer people
Laly> part of my nature jim :-)
Jack> suggestions for accessing the help they need.
Laly> and are great at it jack :-0.
jimwho> Yes I did practice last night and had some interesting results. I got very turned on sexually and finally had to turn to the vibe to get off. It seemed to take forever and every minute was just pure bliss.
Laly> congrats!!
Jack> Great! The fun begins! :-_
Pan> "vibe" ?
Laly> vibrator pan .. i think
Jack> Jim, did you get a chance yet to read through the pdf: Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Summary Update?
jimwho> Even more remarkable is that I awoke about 2 hours later having a terrific dry orgasm that would not stop. I finally had to get up and get it off again
Pan> WOW, that's excellent jim!
Jack> That maybe kinda new for you, Jim?
Laly> the Echo Effects.
jimwho> I'm fortunate in that I have a good deal of time alone and don't have to worry about any one invading my territory when I'm practicing
Jack> Did you see my ? about have you read the pdf?
jimwho> In fact now that I've found this new hobby, seems like I don't have much time for anything else. Maybe after the newness wears off I can get back to the real world??
Jack> LOL! Did you see my ? about have you read the pdf?
jimwho> Yes Jack, I am in the process of studying all the great info you provided. It's very compelling reading and it coupled with reading the threads is a turn on so I get interrupted quite a bit
Jack> Way to establish rapport with the information!!! :-)
Jack> The reason I ask is
Jack> In there I recommend that you
Jack> Consider doing your 20 minute practice session during the daytime.
Jack> The reason is,
Jack> So that when those powerful Echo effects start happening two hours later,
Jack> You still have your whole day ahead of you!
Jack> Not just the breathing, but also the Key Sound, because the Key Sound
Jack> Is the ALTERNATIVE to using more stimulation to amplify arousal.
jimwho> Okay Jack. You are the teacher and I'll do exactly as you say.
Jack> That's more like it, young fella!
Jack> ;-)
jimwho> I asked earlier if anyone had aneros experience. It was the aneros threads that lead me to you Jack. The breathing thing you teach is what's missing everywhere else.
Pan> (Jim, I'm a regular poster at the Aneros forum under the same name)
jimwho> Well Pan those postings sure do give a fella some hope that's there is something else but the old in and out for excitement.
Jack> What I offer in any of this material are merely suggestions based on 10 years of experience with this phenomenon...
Jack> The other reason I mention that is
Jack> That I also recommend that you explore what happens after a practice session
Jack> When you first feel that urge to ejaculate to "relieve the pressure"
Jack> And instead, just continue with the relaxing breathing and allowing yourself to feel and enjoy the higher states of arousal without popping the ejaculation breaker.
Jack> That's also why I recommend that you limit your practice sessions, in the beginning, to a maximum of about 20 minutes per session,
Jack> And take at least one day off between sessions... That helps you break out of the "going for it" mode and gives you the opportunity to discover what you might learn by doing that.
Jack> I'm not saying that that's the only way to practice or that you "shouldn't" ever do it any other way,
Jack> I'm simply sketching out a pattern of practice that 10 years worth of experiences shown may lead to even more interesting discoveries and physical sensations.
Laly> oh yeah.
Jack> Got a witness!
Pan> second that!
jimwho> I know that is great advice and I will certainly give it my best. I look forward to achieving the maximum but I'm willing to accept the minimum for starters. What about using the aneros along with the protocol.. Will that interfere with what we are looking for?
Jack> As we discussed on the phone,
Jack> The Aneros provides another form of stimulation,
Jack> I can be great fun to combine that with the practice of The Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol,
Jack> By the same token, I am inviting you
Jack> To discover just how far you may go and how much you may learn
Jack> By exploring how much arousal you may activate using as little stimulation as possible!
Jack> Again I want to emphasize that these are all simply recommendations... invitations to explore alternatives, really.
Laly> can lead you to the most sacred experiences ever jim.
jimwho> Sounds great to me. Are you suggesting alternating KSMO with aneros?
Jack> Yes, that, and doing some KSMO practice sessions without the Aneros, during the daytime,
Jack> For a maximum of 20 minutes per session, and not ending the session by ejaculating,
Jack> And taking at least one day off to give the Echo effects to awaken even further... And then
Jack> At other times to combine your KSMO practice with use of the Aneros, or whatever else you like.
Jack> An alternative way of framing that, Jim,
Jack> Is to learn how, when the energy starts building up to the higher levels,
Jack> And you start feeling that compelling urge to switch gears and go for ejaculation,
Jack> Instead learn how to ejaculate the being your arousal energy it's building up out through the Key Sound
Jack> Instead of through your penis in the form of a physical ejaculation.
jimwho> What say you Pan?
Pan> Personally, I think it's waaay easier to learn to have MMO's with KSMO first, and then with the aneros.
jimwho> I truly thank you for the advice and coaching. I find it hard to leave it alone for a whole day in between. But I will give it my best shot and look for the holy grail to appear and be with me always. (Thanks to you all)
Jack> That's why I am inviting you
Jack> To use the Key sound to express all that energy it's building up, instead of using more stimulation and then ejaculation.
Jack> I'm not saying that that's the only way you should live or anything like that,
Jack> I'm just inviting you to try that pattern once in awhile for a day or few
Jack> to see what you learn.
donnoi> If you do that it can change your life,
Laly> i agree donnoi :-0.
Pan> BIG TIME. ;-)
Jack> Me 4.
Jack> :-)
jimwho> Okay, it's a deal! Now a new question. As soon as I get a handle on how this works and I can be pretty consistent at having the desired results, I would like to introduce this system to my wife..Any good advice on how to break the ice?
Laly> there is a thread on the boards Jim that deals with that ..
Laly> about spouses and inviting them to KSMO
Jack> There is also an exercise for couples in the Male Multiple Orgasm Step by Step audio seminar.
Jack> Another important issue is: Does your spouse *want* to explore something new *for herself*?
Laly> good point
jimwho> Good! I haven't had time to read em all as yet but I will soon. Is it a good idea or do most attempts in this fail and cause other problems?
Jack> It seldom _causes_ problems, IMHO, but it may bring old issues to the surface, begging for resolution... If not now... WHEN???
Pan> I would start just by telling her about your solo practice, why you want to learn KSMO, your feelings as they come up, etc.
Laly> pan.. can to comment on this??
Laly> okh. k.
Pan> IMHO, the more easily you're able to talk about your feelings, good days AND bad days in your solo practice, the easier it will be to share the actual physical experience when the time comes.
Jack> That's also why in the couple's exercise I describe in that first audio seminar,
jimwho> My wife is a marvelous sex partner and a really good sport. She is quite a bit younger than I but I believe she is not as interested in sex as she is in tennis these days
Jack> I recommend that you began by not making it about sex at all,
Jack> But about opening further the heart connection that you have with each other and to use the Key Sound to help you do that.
Pan> Right on.
Jack> That couple's exercise begins with both of you being fully clothed,
Jack> And you are simply sitting comfortably and facing each other,
Jack> And passing the Key Sound, imbued with loving energy and intention, back and forth.
jimwho> Gosh you guys are wonderful.. Glad we met!
Pan> At the very least, if she's not interested in doing any of the practice with you, she should know about the changes you are going through. This isn't the kind of thing you want to "surprise" your partner with one day.
Jack> The clothes will come off when the time is right!
Pan> :-)
jimwho> Amen Jack!~
Jack> I definitely agree with Pan about that!
Jack> Thanks Jim! How about we hear from donnoi?
jimwho> You're very welcome!
Jack> Jim, donnoi also has a great deal of experience with this practice as well as
Jack> Integrating it with other modalities in points of view.
jimwho> Well, now what are we going to do? Looks like I've got my work cut out for me. Thanks
Pan> Can I add one last bit Jack?
Jack> By all means Pan!
Pan> thanks! Jim, I just wanted to say that
Pan> when I started KSMO, my wife had no interest in it. So practiced solo for the first six months, but I was lucky in that she was interested in hearing about my experiences. So
Pan> by the time I was confident in my ability to enjoy multiple orgasms, she wanted to try it with me because she'd watched how it changed me over time.
Laly> awesome
jimwho> Changed how?
Pan> So, in a way, I let her come around to it being "her" idea, instead of mine. ;-)
Pan> Well, that's a looong story. suffice it to say, KSMO made me a much happier AND healthier person!
Laly> :-).
jimwho> Terrific. Okay, let's go to donnoi??
Pan> I've posted about it all over the forum too. just wanna give Donnoi a chance to step in. :-)
Jack> I also want to suggest to you and to ALL OF THE READERS
Jack> That in the Forum,
Jack> You search on "Laly" "Pan" and "donnoi" as they have all made some really very very informative posts, and very moving as well!
Jack> And click on that link in the upper right hand corner of any Forum page
Jack> That is labeled News.
Jack> That will give you a list of links to the latest post in all Conferences (i.e., subject areas).
Jack> Okay, thank you donnoi for your tremendous patience!
donnoi> I'm honored to be in the same chat with the knowledgeable Pan and Laly.
* Pan bows humbly
Laly> <blushing ,, thanks donnoi
donnoi> I tried to post something today and haven't seen a "news"update since laly on 11-1 .. is all OK with you and the site?
Laly> well Jack is in the middle of upgrading it donnoi
donnoi> just checking.
Jack> The News page is temporarily locked. It does that once in a while,
Jack> My isp is working on it. It's frustrating to not always know what the latest latest posts are,
Jack> but you can click the link on the right near the top that says "Show New Messages" and you'll get a list as well.
donnoi> I have reposted some material (slightly modified) from the Sacred Sexuality thread on my blog with links to this site ... my daily # of hits more than tripled.
Jack> Not quite as cool as the News page, but will get you by until I can get the Newsfeed working again.
Laly> and I post quite regularly on the forum , just to keep my my mind and soul in check.
Jack> Wow that's really cool about the number of hits!
Jack> My reference about not quite as cool was in reference to my suggestion about "show new messages".
Laly> uh huh.. I look in there a lot donnoi.
donnoi> got it.
donnoi> No new news for me. I just hop I can send someone here to look for themselves/
Laly> sweet, I invited a friend of mine to look through KSMO.
donnoi> Ya, found I can talk to people about this.
jimwho> Are there any profiles about you chatters that I could look at. It wu\ould be nice to know a little about each of you.. You know, things like gender, married, gay, straight etc. etc?
jimwho> Maybe age too?
Laly> not for me..in regards to KSMO forums
donnoi> My last post has my last post has a link to my blog. Personal stats I'm shy about
Pan> Male, 33, straight, married 7 years, hobbies are KSMO, talking about KSMO, posting about KSMO, etc...
Pan> ;-)
donnoi> sweet!
Laly> is one of the things I think jack is working on .. right Jack??
Jack> Sometimes people share those kinds of details in the transcripts of past coaching chats.
jimwho> I would love to see your blog. I'm not being nosy, just like to know a little about who my fellow travelers are
Jack> What is that I'm working on Laly?
Laly> female, 34, single, straight
Laly> I believe web pages if I am not mistaken.
Laly> if I am .. I apologize..
Jack> Yes, I am working on web pages. :-)
donnoi> Feel free to take a look, you WILL know me!
jimwho> Thanks donnoi. I'll look in on you
Laly> and I am found in my "confident woman with singing heart" thread under successes in forum jim. All that I am i put in those posts.
Pan> I'm all over the place. No particular thread to call home. ;-)
jimwho> Great laly.. I'll look in on you too. I love people and listening to what's ticking for them.
Jack> And... like I mentioned, if you use the search box on the upper right of the Forum page and search on the person's name, you get their posts, and where they're mentioned.
Laly> blushing and laughing.
donnoi> No wonder my chat window turned red
Jack> LOL!
Laly> I try and hold nothing back, my heart and soul are put into words.
jimwho> Geez! What a great resource. I can see that chatting can get to be a time consuming pastime
Jack> No kidding! As you can see from tonight, chatting can also be a great tool.
Pan> it's not therapy, but it's definitely therapeutic! :-)
jimwho> Yes indeedy!!
Laly> yes, but getting outta my "coaching" mode for another program Jack is hard.
Jack> :-)
Laly> my caring and compassionate nature I guess lol.
Jack> Sure sounds right to me, about you!
Laly> awww thanks
Laly> feel 100% better now than 1 hr ago.
Jack> I was just sensing that!
Jack> Thanks very much for the confirm on that, and I'm very happy to hear it!
Pan> That's wonderful laly!
Laly> and I will came back and finish that post Pan
Laly> I started before coming to chat tonite.
Pan> :-)
Jack> Great!
Jack> Well dear friends, I'm going to need to wrap up. I have to pack for a 6 am flight in the morning...
jimwho> Ladies and Gentlemen! Please kindly excuse me from this evenings chat. Time has come for me to go to the airport to pick up my sweetheart. She is returning from a 5 day trip and I am anxious to see and talk with her. You have all been wonderful and I thank you for your kind and gentle advice to your latest newby. Good night to all. Hope to be with you all again soon
Jack> Wow what synchronicity tonight!
Laly> just really struggling with it.
Pan> LOL!
Laly> ok jim-- take care and have a blessed nite.
Pan> So glad you could make it jim, I hope to see you here again soon.
jimwho> You can count on it.
Jack> Take care Jim, HAPPY LANDINGS! ;-p Enjoy your tennis!
donnoi> Best of all times to you all.
Pan> and laly, hang in there sweetie. You're gonna be just fine. :-)
Jack> THANK YOU for being here tonight, donnoi!
Jack> u2, Laly... I'm glad you're feeling better!!!
Laly> thanks Pan i have to believe that cause i do not like the alternative.
Jack> And Brother Pan, it's great to have your wisdom back in the channel!
Laly> thanks Jack.
* Pan bows humbly once more
Jack> Way to take care of yourself tonight Laly by making that call!
Laly> thanks, holding my hand out fr help is hard to do.
Jack> Notice that it was by your making *the act of calling* that you began starting to feel better, *before you knew it!* :-)
Laly> yes.
Jack> You're ***entitled*** to help when you need it!
Laly> been alone in this for so long .
Jack> Please continue your quest for getting ALL of the help you need!
Laly> *sighs, true.
Jack> Yes, TRUE.
Jack> The more you own that, the more you release the shame that wasn't yours to begin with!
Laly> <starts to cry
Laly> yeah. I agree
Jack> Keep on brimmin' gal! :-)
Pan> laly, I think the fact that you're starting to share these feelings, even if it;s through a computer, means you're not alone anymore. You with us! :-)
Laly> Thank you Pan.
Pan> sure :-)
Jack> Beeeg hugs to you both! Thanks VERY much for what you've shared tonight! Wow!
Laly> aww you're making me cry Jack
Jack> :-)
Pan> BTW, jack feel free to edit this, but laly have you ever heard of EFT?
Jack> No edits necessary!
Pan> or this website: www.emofree.com?
Laly> EFT I get their newsletters and the other no haven't
Pan> I'm currently using for panic disorder and it's been incredibly effective. I highly recommend downloading their free pdf. manual.
Laly> wow-- i saw one for abuse but was afraid to look at it.. will go check it out.
Pan> Also, their Yahoo newsgroup is full of wonderful healing stories. It really helps me.
Pan> Just wanted you to know about it, I think it's the ultimate furball buster. ;-)
Laly> thanks {{HUGSS}}
Pan> always happy to be of service :-)
Laly> :-) - is greatly appreciated
Laly> take care!!
Laly> have a blessed evening
Pan> you too!
Pan> and Jack, be seein ya in the city by the sea... ;-)
Laly> bye Jack
Jack> night night
Jack> Wishing you ALL the best,
Jack> Laleeeeeeee!!!
Jack> fyi I'll be afk for a few days. Gotta go
Jack> to SF for a French exam! Mon Dieu!
Session Close: Thu Nov 17 20:37:39 2005