• Veterans Mackled and collin join Jack for a discussion of experiences with the KSMO protocol and insights from the practice.
• Mackled reports that he is having difficulty learning to relax and let himself experience the feelings while practicing. Jack inquires whether he has read the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Summary Update pdf. Mackled replies that he was not aware of it. Jack suggests that he and any others who have a copy of the Male Multiple Orgasm Step by Step download and read the pdf.
• Jack asks collin to share his experiences using the Protocol. collin replies that he has had some incredible experiences with the practice waves of pleasure lasting 2 to 7 minutes or more. He goes on to say that as long as he in a relaxed state, they will rise up again. Jack says that is a VERY common theme reported by people having these orgasmic wave experiences. He tells Mackled to take note that the more relaxed the more orgasmic waves by ALLOWING them to happen as opposed to "making" them happen.
• collin goes on to say that twice in the past 6 months he has had sessions that were so strong he was able to keep them going on and off for a full day. Jack asks how he was able to do this. collin replies by using the Key Sound and simply thinking about the feeling brings them back again. Jack says this is another common theme reported.
• Mackled inquires whether the Key Sound can be used to stimulate an orgasmic response even when you are not feeling particularly sexy to begin with. Jack replies that it is more important to RELAX more and practice according to the guidelines in the pdf. He suggests not forcing or making and replace those with breather and relaxing.
• Mackled reveals that he originally came to the site looking for a remedy for premature ejaculation but once he started reading, began to get a different view of himself which was an evolution for him. collin says that it is good Mackled is acknowledging more of himself.
• collin thanks Jack for all he is doing. Jack thanks collin for sharing his experiences with Mackled and all the readers and asks him to return soon.

Session Start: Sat Oct 22 12:02:20 2005
Jack> r u there, Mack?
Mackled> Hi, Jack practice is going well...I am having to UN-learn a lot of stuff
Mackled> When I first began, I didn't realize how FORCED everything in my life was
Jack> That's a REALLY IMPORTANT STEP to REALIZE about the UNlearning of old patterns and learned beliefs.
Jack> Welcome back Collin!!!! Long time! It's great to have you back. Pls meet Mackled, also a veteran.
Mackled> Hi, collin
Collin> Hi Jack. Thanks. Hello, Mackled.
Jack> Could you guys pls help each other and
Jack> the subsequent transcript readers get to know you
Jack> a little better by sharing (to whatever
Jack> extent comfortable for you)
Jack> a bit about yourself e.g. exp with this practice, what you've learned so far etc., and anything else you'd like.
Jack> Thanks!
Mackled> You want to start collin?
Collin> I'll let you go first if that's okay, Mackled.
Mackled> he he ok...I first learned about KSMO about 2 years ago
Mackled> and because I couldn't get an understanding of how to relax
Mackled> it was basically something I knew was really cool
Mackled> but never really practiced, because I couldn't be with my self
Mackled> long enough to relax
Mackled> So, about 2 months ago, I started practicing again.
Mackled> I use an Aneros, and the valley breathing while practicing
Mackled> the Key Sound, and while I have yet to experience what I have read
Mackled> I can tell that with more relaxed practice, I can feel the orgasm building
Mackled> the hardest part for me has just been learning how to relax, and let myself
Mackled> experience.
Mackled> OK collin, your turn
Jack> btw Mackled, have you read the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Summary Update pdf?
Mackled> I wasn't aware there was one
Mackled> where can I get it?
Jack> Do you receive the weekly chat reminders by email?
Mackled> yes I do...I bet I read right over the link
Jack> send me an email from the address by which
Jack> you receive the chat reminders, and I'll send you the access to
Jack> pdf and latest version by download of the audio seminar.
Mackled> thanks very much, Jack
Jack> Also do you have the second seminar, Key Sound Training? Just so I know what info you may or may not have.
Mackled> Yes, I use the 20 minute practice section quite a bit
Jack> Step One is to get that pdf and read it. So go ahead and send me that email and you can get started on it. That's why
Jack> it's important to save the Buyer's email plus the announcements that often appear near the top of the
Jack> chat reminder emails. :-)
Mackled> I'll do that right away
Jack> Just let me know when you've sent it. Put Mackled in the Subj line.
Jack> [Thanks for standing by, Collin! ]
Collin>
Jack> The above info and procedure applies to anyone who has a copy of Male Multiple Orgasm Step by Step but
Jack> has not seen the pdf document I referred to above.
Jack> Ok... Collin how about you share with Mackled and the readers a bit of your story with this practice, if you're ok with that.
Collin> Ok.
Jack> Thanks!
Collin> Thanks for sharing, Mackled.
Jack> The power of KSMO is in your stories!!!
Collin> I started with the program about a year and a half ago.
Collin> I've had some very nice experiences at times.
Collin> It really is good to stay with the practicing because it does yield results
Jack> [ I hope you'll share some examples, if you're comfortable doing so... ]
Collin> I've had some times of powerful multiple orgasm using the Protocol
Collin> when my body is in a relaxed state I've been very pleased by the experience.
Collin> There are times when I am not receptive though.
Collin> but by remembering to practice, it opens the door for multiples when the time is right.
Collin> on a few occasions, I"ve had some incredible experiences with it.
Collin> Thanks!!
Jack> Collin, how do you know they're orgasms when they're not accompanied by ejaculation?
Mackled> wow...thats a good question
Collin> Because of the amazing waves of pleasure that wash over my body.
Jack> How long do the waves go on?
Collin> It is the same feeling that you feel during an ejaculation, but they grow deeper and expand for a much longer period of time.
Mackled> can you explain expand for me?
Jack> About how long, usually... So Mackled and the readers will have a general idea
Jack> .
Jack> Good question, Mackled. Thanks!
Collin> From my experience they have lasted from about 2 minutes to 7 minutes or more.
Collin> They come back again usually when they are strong.
Collin> As long as I continue to be in a relaxed state, they will rise up again.
Jack> How does that compare timewise with orgasms with ejaculation prior to beginning Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger practice?
Jack> Mackled, what Collin just shared about they keep coming back as long as he continues to relax... That is a VERY common theme reported
Collin> Well, let me say this. Prior to the practice I'd never had a session that lasted hours like I have with the practice
Jack> by people having these continuous orgasmic wave experiences.
Mackled> Help me understand hours...
Collin> When I am receptive and ready for this kind of experience, I've had sessions that last hours.
Jack> Collin, that is GREAT!
Jack> How can you convey that to people who have a hard time imagining that?
Jack> BTW, Mackled, PLEASE NOTE how the more relaxed the more orgasmic waves. That is the them of ALLOWING them to happen to come to you ...
Collin> It's not always like this, but I can say that about twice in the last 6 months I've had very intense sessions that were so good and so strong it was easy to keep the multiple orgasm going on and off for a full day.
Jack> How did you keep them going?
Jack> What did you do?
Mackled> This is incredible
Collin> By using the Key Sound and..
Collin> when I have been practicing for an hour or so and have started to have the multiples, simply thinking about the feeling brings it back again.
Collin> :-) Great!!
Mackled> This is incredible
Mackled> comparing what you have experienced, with my experience
Mackled> is like a thimble compared to the ocean
Jack> Collin, I think Mackled just enjoyed a mindgasm ! :-)
Collin> Mackled, the good news is - if you have the thimble you also have the ocean.
Mackled> wow...
Jack> Mackled another thing Collin just mentioned
Jack> is a common theme among those who have learned to RELAX and ALLOW the feelings to happen : That is, that when you allow yourself to enter this high arousal zone and the orgasmic waves start happening,
Jack> all you need to do is THINK about more and they are there for you. Am I paraphrasing more or less correctly, Collin?
Collin> Yes, Jack. Correct.
Jack> THAT is a COMMON THEME AND ABILITY among those who have learned to open to the higher
Jack> arousal states using the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol . I am grateful to say. :-)
Collin> Mackled, when you practice do you decide mentally to set time aside for it? or do you sometimes practice spontaneously?
Mackled> I pretty much have to set time based on everyones schedule
Collin> What do you mean "by everyones schedule"?
Jack> I appreciate your answering Mackled's questions!
Jack> pls continue, Mackled.
Mackled> Jack, I start feeling that familiar tightness in my testicles
Mackled> and I'm not sure if that is the arousal you are talking about or not
Jack> What would you say, Collin?
Collin> The reason I had asked about when you practice is because I've found that I can't make these multiples happen mentally.
Collin> That is why when I'm "in the mood" and feeling sexually aroused is a good time to practice.
Mackled> good point....
Jack> [ a key word being "make" ]
Jack> Especially men, but also very many women, are used to "making" themselves reach or try to reach orgasm.
Jack> There is no "make" in this practice. The urge to make something happen chases away the AUTOMATIC Echo Effect response usually. What Andi refers to as Chasing the Fawn away. Versus ALLOWING as Collin also mentioned.
Mackled> I think I have a lot of questions about arousal
Jack> RE: ?s re: arousal. That's GREAT! Please ask them here ! :-)
Jack> Collin, I REALLY appreciate your being here today to share your experience with this practice!
Collin> Thanks. I'm glad if I can be of any help in sharing.
Jack> Oh, BIG time! Your story and everyone else' story here is where the REAL teaching is. :-)
Mackled> I just don't FEEL what I'm calling arousal like I did when I was a kid
Jack> Would you say more about that, Mackled?
Mackled> when I was 20 I was "horny" all the time
Jack> How old r u now?
Mackled> Now that I'm 50, I don't feel that way much anymore
Jack> k thanks pls continue.
Mackled> I think I expect that same feeling of being "horny"
Mackled> is that what we're talking about?
Jack> Key word being "expect".
Jack> We often try to think ahead of time what "it" "should" be like. But most people say it's different than anything they expected.
Jack> BTW, have you had your testosterone levels checked recently?
Mackled> yes, a full check up less than a month ago
Jack> Good lad re: checkup !
Jack> Collin, could you offer Mackled and the readers a few tips about what to look for tune into - what kinds of feelings like, how do you know it's starting to happen ?
Mackled> is that level of feeling of arousal necessary for this experience?
Jack> What say, Collin?
Collin> Okay.
Jack> Thanks!
Collin> May I first ask Mack a question?
Collin> Mackled I understand what you mean about not feeling "horny" like you did years ago, but do you sometimes feel "turned on" or interested in sex?
Mackled> sure
Collin> Okay.
Collin> Those are the times when I tend to have better experiences with the practice.
Collin> It's a not a rule of course
Collin> I just mean that it tends coincide with that.
Mackled> ok, I think I understand
Jack> That's a GREAT TIP Collin! Yeah that is
Jack> part of that not trying to MAKE it happen guideline.
Collin> yes.
Jack> Thanks for the confirm on that. I appreciate that it resonates with your experience as well.
Mackled> can using the Key Sound "call" that arousal?
Collin> It can, Mackled.
Jack> The Key Sound AMPLIFIES the arousal.
Collin> Yes, Jack.
Jack> You learn to use the Key Sound to amplify arousal INSTEAD OF more SIMULATION.
Collin> The Key Sound is a tool.
Mackled> that has been one of my biggest questions
Jack> What is?
Mackled> if I am not feeling particularly aroused, can I use the Key Sound
Mackled> to "call" an orgasm level of arousal?
Jack> What would you say, Collin?
Collin> In my experience it has not worked that way.
Collin> I wish it did!
Collin> I'm not saying it's not possible, but I've not experienced it that way.
Jack> LOL! After those waves start happening though, that wish it did tends to fade at least for me :-)
Collin> :-)
Jack> Mackled, am I understanding you to say that you want to know if the Key Sound
Jack> can be used to awaken an orgasmic response even when you're not feeling particularly sexy to begin with?
Jack> Or?
Mackled> yes, thats correct
Jack> k, thanks!
Jack> I wouldn't say it's impossible, but as Collin says, it's not as productive necessarily as when you already DO
Jack> have some baseline buzz or stirring happening.
Jack> Nevertheless, you might be surprised to DISCOVER that buzz where and when you weren't aware of it, just learning to RELAX more, and then
Jack> practice according to the guidelines in that pdf.
Mackled> I sent you an email, by the way
Mackled> I'm starting to see that underlying life issues can have a big
Mackled> effect on feeling sexy, or being able to get that buzz
Collin> Yes, it's by no means a fruitless experience when you're not particularly baseline buzzed as Jack said, but it helps to have something there initially.
Collin> They sure do, Mackled.
Mackled> this is great...I starting to have a BFO
Collin> what is a BFO?
Mackled> a Blinding Flash of the Obvious
Collin> ahhh Okay.
Jack> Another Mindgasm !
Jack> Yeah but Mackled it gives you a great insight into the effects of cultural conditioning about male sexual arousal etc., eh?
Collin> There are so many factors that seem to play into our state of well being and relaxation don't they?
Jack> Ohhhhh Yeah!
Mackled> absolutely...that is what I just realized
Jack> It all starts with RELAXING BREATH
Jack> That is GREAT, Mackled!!!
Jack> Excellent teaching, Collin !
Collin> Be good to yourself, Mackled.
Mackled> you too...thanks very much for being patient with me!
Collin> Oh, no problem!
Jack> Yeah man, and release the forcing making etc. replace with allowing and breathing and relaxing .
Jack> Patience is a cornerstone of the practice, Mack!
Mackled> I'm doing that right now!
Collin> great.
Collin> May I ask if you are married or live with someone?
Collin> Oh, I don't mean to get personal.
Collin> I guess what I'm asking is do you have time for yourself?
Mackled> I'm married and have a 22 year old step son that is here at
Mackled> unpredictable times...personal is no problem.
Collin> ok, great.
Mackled> I do have time to myself, but not always when I'm feeling horny
Collin> Yes, I understand.
Collin> I think you will have some good times ahead of you with this practice.
Collin> Your openness and willing state will bring some unexpected things.
Mackled> I' amazed at what I've learned this afternoon
Collin> really??
Collin> good news!
Mackled> what I find amazing is these lessons are things I've known
Mackled> but not practiced
Collin> go on.
Mackled> I'm starting to realize that I have never really thought of myself as a "sexual"
Mackled> being, but sex was just something I did...does that make sense?
Collin> yes.
Collin> Wow.
Collin> This is awesome.
Jack> It sure is!
Jack> TEACH, Mack!!!
Jack> Yeah I think that's how most men in our culture (and probably in most cultures) tend to feel.
Mackled> and how I came across Jack's site was looking for a remedy for premature ejaculation
Mackled> and once I started reading, I began to get a different view of myself
Mackled> this is most definitely an evolution for me
Collin> You are acknowledging more of yourself. That's great!
Collin> :-)
Mackled> and I'm loving every minute of it
Collin> More power to you my friend!
Mackled> LOL I feel like I need to collect an offering
Collin> LOL
Mackled> I was really preaching...
Collin> That tends to happen in Jack's presence
Collin> I've been there myself.
Mackled> I really wish I had paid attention to all of this earlier, but I'm pumped now
Mackled> It's 4:30, and I have to go...Jack, thank you so much for what you are doing
Collin> Knowing that you are more than just deserving of amazing pleasure but it is your right and yours to own is a great place to be.
Mackled> Collin, I'll look forward to seeing you again...best wishes
Collin> It's been a pleasure, Mackled. Thanks for your time~
Collin> ~
Collin> "-)
Collin> best wishes to you!
Jack> Wow Collin!
Collin> Thanks for your time once again, Jack. You are the man! ;-)
Jack> Thanks again VERY much for your sage counsel today.
Collin> You are very welcome. Thanks to you
Jack> I hope you will let yourself fully appreciate the power in YOUR story about this.
Collin> Ok.
Collin> I do.
Collin> It's a great reminder.
Collin> I need a tune-up!
Jack> And how effectively you draw from it to help someone such as Mackled plus all of the people
Jack> who will read this transcript. That is VERY cool!
Collin> I'm so proud of you Jack.
Collin> Thanks once again for being who you are.
Jack> :-) Thanks Brother, that means a LOT!
Collin> Ok, I'd better go for now.
Collin> I'll see you all around.
Jack> Ok, anything I might
Jack> answer for you today b4 you go?
Collin> ummm
Collin> I guess not.
Collin> I just enjoyed the time spent.
Jack> Ok, well I hope you'll come back soon. Both
Jack> to share more of your experience and to get any questions answered.
Collin> thanks, Jack.
Collin> Have a great week!
Jack> It's a real pleasure having you here. Thanks again, Collin.
Collin> bye for now.
Jack> I wish you all the best!
Session Close: Sat Oct 22 13:32:17 2005