Session Start: Thu Mar 03 17:58:12 2005
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Jack> Welcome yomo! Is this your first time here? This is Jack Johnston.
yomo> hi - yup
yomo> hello
Jack> So I can get to know you a little better,
Jack> could you pls give me a general idea where you are typing from,
Jack> your approx age, marital status if you like, and how long you've been practicing
Jack> the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol?
yomo> new hampshire - 41 years old - practicing about four months
Jack> Thanks! What questions do you have this evening?
yomo> I got the seminar a couple years ago but only recently really started
yomo> sorry - Im slow
yomo> well - I have not broken through yet
Jack> No problem. Question, are you typing in, in regular way, or are you sending your lines using some kind of action? Then I will respond to your concerns. Thanks.
yomo> though I have had remarkable results
Jack> Cool! Please tell me what's been happening!
yomo> using action
yomo> ahhh - thats easier
yomo> okay
yomo> feeling echo effects - quite strong sometimes -
yomo> feeling them during the day
Jack> Is that ok for you?
yomo> but somehow - I think its a mental thing - I can't pass a certain point
yomo> yes - its good - not out of control - just pleasant
Jack> Ok, good! Before you began this practice,
Jack> had you ever experienced anything like that b4?
yomo> one thing - when I am practicing - as it gets stronger i feel
yomo> my heart beating quite strongly in my lower abdomen - and sometimes back
yomo> and sometimes chest and perenium
yomo> no - except maybe the moment of beginning to be aroused
yomo> but sex always went a different way - away from this feeling
Jack> Towards?
yomo> more towards getting tense - which is what I thought orgasm was
yomo> but I am realizing that really its almost the opposite
Jack> [when you are finished typing and it's my turn, would you pls use a period, ? or !, thanks!]
Jack> YEAH!!! DEFINITELY!
yomo> okay.
Jack> [thanks re: punctuation. :-) ]
Jack> The more you RELAX, the more you will FEEL.
Jack> VERY VERY different model, especially for guys... but many women too!
yomo> anyway - the heartbeat in abdomen kind of distracts me - as well as just the thought of going further
yomo> hmmm something happened.
Jack> What do you mean?
Jack> (by "something happened.")
yomo> I am stuck on the first page - maybe I need to sign in again
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yomo> are you there?
yomo> am I here?
Jack> Yes!
Jack> What browser r u using?
yomo> distractions - strong heartbeat in abdomen and the thought of going further
yomo> .
yomo> safari.
Jack> Hmm yeah safari may not be handling the chat software correctly. Let's see how it goes. Else I can email you the
Jack> details for accessing chat thru MIRC or similar IRC client.
yomo> okay.
Jack> Thanks. RE: Heartbeat at higher levels of arousal... Question if I may, when was the last
Jack> time you had a physical and got your blood pressure checked?
yomo> I checked my blood pressure recently and it was low - physical - a few years.
Jack> RE: BP low... r u saying lower than the normal range or?
Jack> r u still there, yomo?
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Jack> Ah.
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Jack> Welcome back!
Jack> Sorry about the difficulties!
Jack> When you said your BP was low, did you mean low normal, or below the normal range?
yomo> ai yai yai - I think they will continue.
yomo> below normal range - not too low
yomo> .
Jack> k. Thanks. You said you "checked it." Did you mean you checked it yourself, or an MD did, or?
yomo> myself.
Jack> Ok, thanks. First thing is, since you are getting these strong pulses that are actually distracting,
Jack> and cuz your BP is outside of normal range, and you haven't been checked by an MD in several years,
Jack> I recommend that you cease practice of the Protocol until you can get the BP checked out by an MD. Ok?
yomo> hmmm - okay.
Jack> Thanks! Yeah Brother, no sense "driving with the oil light on." Know what I mean?
Jack> :-)
yomo> I have been getting sick alot lately too
yomo> .
Jack> Yeah, that really sounds like it's time to give yourself the gift of a getting a good checkup, and ask your MD specifically
Jack> about the BP concerns, ok?
yomo> I was wondering whether I was building up tumescent energy and not releasing it
yomo> just learned that word.
yomo> I just learned that word.
yomo> yeah yeah yeah - its a song
Jack> Did you see my suggestion about asking your MD specifically about your BP?
yomo> yes. I will - even though I shy away from those guys - I think you are right - thanks.
Jack> I understand your feelings, believe me, but I think this is a time to have them tune in. BTW,
Jack> did you download the latest revision of the Protocol Summary Update pdf? The one
Jack> with the revision date of 20050127?
yomo> I haven't read the new one yet.
Jack> Ok. I recommend that
yomo> I will.
Jack> you download it and print it. Then when the Doc measures your BP, give him a copy of it,
Jack> so he'll understand our frame of reference. I wouldn't go into all of this, but since you ARE
yomo> I learned an interesting thing - key sound - head under water in the bath tub - sounds like you on the recording
Jack> reporting Pulse discomfort as arousal begins to increase, it's prudent to put your practice on hold til you get his/her opinion.
Jack> w/b Collin! We're talking with yomo from "out east".
yomo> okay - embarrassing to talk about with someone I don't know.
Collin> Hi. Thanks Jack.
yomo> but... hey - it's a growth experience right.
Collin> HI Yomo
yomo> hi collin
Jack> LOL re: recording. Yeah re: MD, I understand... I'm almost 57. YEAH! Re; the growth thing. I like your attitude!
Jack> Yeah yomo, we're getting to a stage in life where we gotta start paying attention to that.
Jack> A little concern about the Key Sound under water, too. If you accidentally inhaled while doing it, you could choke.
Collin> Please don't let me interrupt, yomo.
Jack> That is one way in which I AM "conservative." :-)
yomo> my face not under - just my ears.
Jack> Ohhh! Thanks for clarifying THAT! LOL.
yomo> really resonant sound - sort of like the ear plug idea but even stronger.
yomo> LOL
Jack> Cool! Nice idea! Just keep nose and mouth ABOVE H-2-O... :-)
Jack> I am really GLAD to hear you ARE getting fairly strong Echo Effects. When you see your MD,
yomo> I don't know what he was doing officer...
Jack> I recommend that you take a copy of the Protocol Summary pdf (the 20050127 version) and give it to him/her.
Jack> Good for MD's to find about this for one thing, but also then you'll be able to talk with him about
Jack> what you are feeling as you begin to experience higher sexual arousal, and your concerns about that.
Jack> Ok?
yomo> yeah - I am glad to be here too - relates to many things - this ain's just sexual at all
yomo> ain't.
Jack> I REALLY appreciate your OPENNESS about this!
yomo> have you ever heard of Focusing? - shalif.com - you may find it very interesting and related
yomo> .
Jack> I "think" I've heard of it, but not familiar with that website, I'll have a look, thanks. Would
Jack> it be ok if we give Collin a chance to speak, and then come back to you for more dialogue after that, if you like?
yomo> yes - go for it - thanks
Jack> And thank YOU for being so open about where you are. You are showing a LOT of emotional courage. ESPECIALLY for this being your first time here. You dig?
Jack> :-)
yomo> awww shucks.
Jack> :-)
Jack> BTW, feel free to give your MD my email and phone #. I'm happy
Jack> to answer any ?'s s/he may have about the Protocol, and as I mention in the Protocol Summary,
yomo> I think this whole thing is helping me with emotional courage - man - been having crazy relationship trials... but I feel like I
Jack> it may be appropriate for us to modify your practice of the Protocol somewhat, for the time being, according to his advice. Does that make sense, yomo?
yomo> yes - I will have to work up the emotional courage to talk to MD but I promise to take a break
yomo> .
Jack> Well I'm REALLY glad that you are acknowledging what's up for you. You are indeed modeling great courage for those who will eventually read this chat.
Jack> Well... find an MD you CAN talk to. I mean, when you get down to it, "your life depends on it..." that is, on being
yomo> what about a reichean therapist?
Jack> able to talk with the doc about what's really going on with you. Please postpone any procrastination, ok? :-)
Jack> Doctor of MEDICINE, dude.
yomo> procrastination... I am a master - but I promise to wait on the protocol.
Jack> Reichian TX would prolly tend to pump the energy HIGHER and that's not where you need to be until you
Jack> resolve the blood pressure issue.
yomo> okay. just squirming.
Jack> Copy, re: the pausing the protocol... And I'd put off procrastinating for now, ok?
Jack> Yeah I hear ya! LOL. That means you're getting close to your "Growing Edge." :-)
yomo> I hear you though - I promise to apply effort.
Jack> Book an appointment. Not just "try."
yomo> I am real close to that edge - let me tell yah.
yomo> okay.
Jack> Yeah, so it may also be a great opportunity to get a little counseling time under your belt. Sounds kinda like
Jack> the "stuff is up." That's what practice of this
Jack> Protocol can do... It can help you connect with the stuff that needs to be addressed,
Jack> more or less to "clear the emotional channels"
yomo> Yup. hmmmm - stuff is up?
yomo> yeah - stuff is definitely up.
Jack> so that you CAN (safely!) then enjoy the higher arousal states.
Jack> WHAT A GREAT OPPORTUNITY! You're in that zone that a friend of mine calls the
Jack> "Oh Sh*t! Thank God!" Zone!
yomo> yeah - I suppose the days of being a daredevil are over.
yomo> LOL
Jack> Ah with age, sometimes comes a little wisdom! LOL.
Jack> [Ol' graybeard talkin', here.]
Jack> Ok Brother, let's pass the Talking Stick to Collin, who has been VERY patient, ok?
yomo> yup - thanks jack and collin!
Collin> Thanks, Jack. Nothing new from me, really. Just wanted to say hello and congratulate you on your Discovery Health Channel show appearance.
Jack> Oh... Thanks very much! Yeah I hope it actually airs... :-) You know showbiz, it ain't a go, til it's actually aired.
Jack> It was a good taping session tho.
Collin> You will let us know when it will air won't you?
Jack> Everyone was really complimentary and receptive.
Collin> I hope it does air for sure.
Jack> Yes for SURE, C! Thanks! Since you're here, how about bringing us up to date with how your practice is going?
Collin> I've been practicing here and there. Not much has been happening on that end lately, I've been dealing with certain things and the cold / flu season.
Collin> I did have some wonderful multiples about a month ago, though.
Jack> Oh yeah. Hard to feel ecstatic when the flu has got you. Course, raising that kundalini a notch or two might drive out the bug! :-) Just kiddin.
Collin> As usual they lasted about 3 days. LOL!
Jack> WOW Surf's UP!
Jack> Yeah that tendency is not usual, but usually tends to mellow out. It's mostly when the
Jack> "Gate of the Thousandfold Pleasures" first gets _thrown open_. :-)
Collin> Ha. OH, I thought of you all because a while back we were talking about how during the sessions I was starting to "taste" in my body the flavor of banana.
yomo> I'm the little kid in the wading pool
Jack> LOL yomo... patience my friend! Yeah Collin, give
Jack> gives a whole new meaning to... "going bananas!" eh? ;-P
Collin> well, this last time a wonderful feeling of a delicious caramel filled my being.
Collin> :-)
Collin> Yes!
Jack> BY the way Collin, that phenom is known as "parasthesia."
Collin> Ok, thanks. I had forgotten that.
Jack> Although not way common, it's more frequent than "rare" during really high states of erotic arousal. BTW,
Jack> re: the multiples, did you get a chance to document that multi-orgasmic episode
Jack> in the Success Stories conference yet?
Collin> No, not yet. I need to enter that in the forum.
Collin> I have been meaning to do that.
Jack> Yeah! Please do! Not just for the sake of others whom it will definitely inspire, but it's
Jack> also a good practice of "owning" the experience. That's why I encourage
Jack> people to start posting to the Forum from the very beginning. People who post tend to
Jack> access the goodies sooner. :-)
Collin> Really?
Jack> Yep. The posting helps
Jack> ANCHOR the experience for you. I think it's a way of helping
Jack> your subconscious "real-eyes" that it really did happen. BTW, would you be
Jack> willing to share a little bit about what your practice was like
Jack> just b4 the multiples really started rolling, and then what it was like when they actually did?
Collin> Yes. In the conference?
yomo> yeah - or here.
Jack> There, but also here, please. Both. :-) More anchoring... ;-)
Collin> It started even before my practicing started.
Jack> YEAH THAT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY COMMON!!! Did you know that?
yomo> ?
Collin> Usually before I have some nice multiples I feel very aroused and receptive to the process. Then when I start the practice it happens easily.
Jack> YEAH YOMO! Collin, Remember that song by Carly Simon? "Anticipation" ? :-)
Collin> No, I did not know that it was that common. That makes sense though.
Jack> Yeah, cuz the gates are already open through your previous practice, so the
Jack> multiples energy is often more readily available... then,
Jack> sometimes it may go quiescent for while, to basically re-charge, and to help the
Jack> rest of you begin answering: "Whoa! What was THAT!!!!" :-)
Collin> :-)
yomo> I think I experience this too - though I have not gone over - but the feelings are there before - I don't even have to touch myself.
Jack> Bingo! Yep, right on, yomo! Hey Collin,
Collin> Yes. It is really neat isn't it, Yomo?
Jack> see how powerful sharing your story is?
Collin> Jack, while talking to Yomo, you were mentioning the "stuff" that the practice can bring up,
yomo> I would love to "know" what is actually going on - I have all these ideas - but...
yomo> sorry - i'll be quiet..
Collin> do you refer to this as it comes up during the practice, or are you saying that it can also bring stuff up that we need to deal with, and it can come up in your everyday time period?
Jack> Yeah, both... it comes up when it's ready to. And yes I really see it as a direct result of your
Jack> beginning to choose into allowing yourself to feel more pleasure in your life, ECSTASY even, and I don't mean the dope, I mean the REAL THING.
Collin> Okay.
Collin> I have been facing some "reality" if you will, lately.
Collin> Feeling like I'm really looking at my life square in the face.
Collin> It's not so easy, but I know it's better than running awayu.
Jack> WAY TO GO! And Way to GROW... I'm hangin' out with a coupla very courageous dudes tonight! Thanks you guys!
Collin> Glad to hear it.
Jack> No BS, Collin. GOOD FOR YOU! Dunno if you currently are working with a counselor,
Jack> but... (and this is for both of you) I recommend you check out... (std by for URL):
Jack> http://www.aasect.org/directory.asp
Collin> I'm glad you brought that up, Jack. Just the past few days I've been thinking about seeing a counselor, but I have no idea of how to find one, and I'm not able to afford one right now.
Jack> That's a directory of people trained and certified specifically for addressing life issues IN RELATIONSHIP TO SEXUALITY.
Collin> Interesting. Thanks.
Jack> I understand! Well I suggest you contact those folks and ask them to help you find someone competent who IS within your means.
Collin> Okay. Thank you.
Jack> [You're very welcome! Yomo, that link was for you too, Brother!]
Jack> Collin,
yomo> thanks.
Jack> would you be willing to describe a little bit more what it felt like to experience these multiples?
Jack> You're very welcome Yo!
Collin> Sure.
Jack> 10-Q!
Jack> I'm sure yomo may have some ?'s for you.
Collin> I find that using the pressure points that describe in the protocol to be very helpful.
Jack> Which ones?
yomo> it's hard know how to ask them though - I have a million - mostly I don't do that much stimulation at all -
Collin> Sometimes I find I need their help more than other times, but they definately help the process.
Jack> Pls continue, Collin. Everybody wants to know: "How did you know they
Jack> were orgasms if you weren't ejaculating?"
yomo> I don't know how much I can distinguish different spots
Jack> [for example...]
Collin> The ones that are located from just above the anus, to midway up the penil shaft.
yomo> yeah - jack's question...
Jack> Pls refresh my memory, did I mention those in the pdf, or just in the audio seminar?
Jack> [that was to Collin]
Collin> Hmm. I remember them from the audio seminar.
yomo> are they separate and different or more of just a general area?
Collin> Utilizing those pressure points is what helped the echo effects really take off. Of course my body was receptive and very aroused. All of those aspects together helped me achieve intense multiples.
Collin> Yomo, the ones that helped me were directly under the shaft above and through the testicle area,
Collin> all the way down to the anus.
yomo> I get echo effects even without stimulation or key sound - just deep breathing - but maybe I was not stimulating enough - but
Collin> and somewhat on the side of the shaft.
Collin> Yes, of course the echo effects happen without stimulation, but using the pressure points is worth exploring.
yomo> what happens when you go over - I think I know what the echo effects are - the edge...
Collin> And I should remind that using some pressure is NOT the same as stroking like in a usual masturbation.
yomo> just steady pressure?
yomo> circles?
Collin> Yes. it's good to start with a light pressure in one spot with a finger or two
Collin> You can try small circles but try just steady pressure at first.
yomo> okay - gotta get my blood pressure checked first - dang it
yomo> .
Collin> You can explore that whole area and see what surprises you may find.
Collin> :-)
yomo> but can you say what happens as you go over the edge?
Collin> Yes, this is sure a motivating factor to get your health in order isn't it?
Collin> sure.
Jack> [I agree with Collin re: health!]
yomo> yup.
Jack> [And the rest of what he said for that matter!]
Collin> It feels like waves of pleasure, that we normally just feel within the genital area, are pulsing through your entire body.
Collin> They can last from a few moments to several minutes, but the good news is that they are brought back again by using the key sounds.
yomo> I think I have an idea what it feels like - I have been trying to just feel the echo effects and enjoy them as an end in themselves
Jack> Right on, yomo!
Collin> It also helps, and I find it to be a necessary pre-requisite, that you are sexually aroused.
yomo> but it's a hard mental exercise to not focus on going over the top - which I can sort of imagine
yomo> I feel like I know I have never really had an orgasm
Collin> Yeah, that's a tricky one for us all.
Jack> The Echo Effects ARE the orgasms... it just a matter of INTENSITY.
Jack> The Key Sound... PLUS
Collin> The key, as Jack says, is NOT to think about it.
yomo> the mind becomes an obstacle -
Jack> the RELAXATION, tends to AMPLIFY the "effect" of the Echo Effects until the waves seem to take on a life of their own.
Collin> Yes, I know what Jack is saying is true. That is a very good thing to know.
Collin> Yomo, I have a question for you.
yomo> yeah - I have been feeling that - they are orgasms - but the pressure only increases or then wanes - never releases (for me yet)
Jack> Thing is, yomo, your mind needs to be focussed on getting healthy enough with the help of an MD to allow yourself to ENJOY these benefits.
yomo> yeah - i have suspect about the life of their own
yomo> question - yup.
Collin> When you practice or right before your practice, are you sexually aroused?
Jack> Do NOT experiment with this any more until you have definitely got clearance for practice, FROM THE MD.
Jack> [That was to yomo.]
Jack> [Pls continue, guys.]
yomo> yup - gotcha.
yomo> jack.
Jack> Thanks yomo!
Jack> Attaboy!
Jack> It really is the SHORTEST PATH to all of the goodies!
yomo> hmmm.... not necessarily - in a fantasy type
Jack> GOOD QUESTION COLLIN!
yomo> weirdly - it's not even necessarily sexual
Jack> Keep teachin' Brother Collin! :-)
Jack> [I love it when you guys start helping each other with this!]
yomo> but I am aroused - yeah -
Collin> I ask that question because I find it to be nessessary. I'm not sure what Jack's final word on this is.. but I find that our bodies really do have to be ready for this experience and want it. It's not enough to just decide "now I'm going to have orgasm." it's never worked that way for me.
Jack> Me either.
Collin> Okay. Thanks, Jack.
yomo> I am horny to relax
yomo> weird.
yomo> huh?
Collin> what do you mean, Yomo?
Jack> [It is ESSENTIAL not to try to force your past the EMOTIONAL (or even medical) work that arises and calls for attention.]
yomo> I think I am interested in exploring this realm of feeling
yomo> so I feel the echo effects
yomo> and I want to relax into them
yomo> but I don't necessarily feel like having sex
yomo> or even masturbating
Collin> Yes, that is understandable, yomo.
Jack> Especially "sex" the way we may have been used to experiencing it!
Jack> Including solo sex, aka masturbation.
yomo> it's like being excited about some other kind of thing - aroused - but not specifically sexually...
Jack> i.e. not genitally?
yomo> no erection - but feelings
Jack> Yeah man, what a concept!
Jack> We're helping rewrite the book on male sexuality. Right here, right now.
Collin> Well, I think it's a common, yet personal journey for everyone. You are on the right track, yomo.
Jack> That's VERY cool, yomo!
Jack> I agree with Collin, yomo!
yomo> yeah - it is amazing - like a feeling as you are "getting" a hilarious joke - sor someone said something nice to you
Collin> LOL
Collin> That is nice, yomo
Jack> Yeah yomo, you are definitely "on the signal line."
Collin> True!
Jack> :-)
yomo> I was feeling it from a flames were tickling my mind
yomo> a fire - I was watching - computer glitch
yomo> .
yomo> I wonder how you had the insight that this was available?
Collin> It's really nice to have something like this in our lives. As Jack has said in the past, we have drawn this experience to us, and that is a nice thing.
Collin> Yes, yomo, that is a facinating question.
Collin> That question was for Jack, right?
yomo> yes.
Jack> I just KNEW that holding back at the last moment before ejaculation wasn't NATURAL, no matter what kind of
Jack> philosophical or metaphysical wrapper was put around it. That is my humble opinion. I mean those practices may hae
Jack> some value for some people, but I had a very strong intuition that there was SOMETHING ELSE
Jack> available to men, just like it is for women! I didn't believe that
Jack> "Women get to have all they want, but men are genetically incapable of that."
Jack> I took it as a Working Hypothesis that the ANSWERS on HOW a man could experience this
yomo> I think even women have the "lame orgasm" sometimes
Jack> is coded into our DNA, and that our entire being WANTS to experience these feelings since
Jack> they are an expression of our true erotic nature. Then I set about practicing and continuing to ask
Jack> my body and intuition to give me clues, while also NOT doing the stuff that I knew DID lead to ejaculation,
Jack> such as shallow rapid breathing, continuous/vigorous stimulation (including hot fantasy), muscle tension, etc.
Collin> Very cool, Jack. I'm so happy that you uncovered this and shared it with us all. I had been searching for this as well, and thanks to you, we know it's possible.
Jack> So a big part of the Protocol (the breathing, the single touch) was just doing the opposite of what most other people seemed to be doing!
Jack> Yomo re: "lame" most definitely! A lot of guys think that women are all multi-orgasmic and really happy about it,
yomo> yeah - amazing that you followed through - phenomenal self trust
Collin> yeah, yomo. How true.
Jack> but just ain't so. A LOT of women are not yet accessing orgasm at all, or if they are, they may require a lot of stimulation etc., just like guys.
Jack> Then the HUGE breakthrough was discovering the Key Sound(tm), and that was through intuition, trying different sounds, and paying
Jack> attention to intuitive flashes. The big one was a memory of being at the San Diego Zoo as a kid, about 8 or 9 or something,
Jack> and standing in front of the Tiger's pen. Suddenly the sucka let out a roar that made my hair stand up on my arms and neck!
Jack> And I remembered this event WHILE I WAS PRACTICING the slow relaxed breathing and minimal stimulation, so
Jack> I ASSUMED IT WAS A CLUE. I also remembered that as a kid I had NOTICED that when the
Jack> tiger let out this incredible primal roar, that it's belly EXPANDED not contracted! I remember saying to my
Jack> self as a kid... "Hmm, that's the opposite of what I would expect!" so I also took THAT memory as another clue! Then
Jack> I started experimenting with making different sounds that would AUTOMATICALLY make my stomach move the way the tiger's did,
Jack> and after some practice, that's how I discovered the Key Sound!!!
Collin> :-)
Collin> WOW!
yomo> amazing
Collin> Jack, thanks so much for sharing that with us. That is so wonderful.
Jack> As for the rest of it, for the past ten years I've relied on you guys and gals to teach me how to teach you! And I'm still learning from you!
yomo> trusting intuition and the opposite of what you expect - how to think
yomo> .
yomo> yeah man - thanks.
Jack> Yeah I pretty much LIVE "outside the box." :-P
Collin> Thank God!!
Jack> AMEN! And you're very welcome!
Collin> We all need more of that.
yomo> me too - but I didn't even expect this
yomo> .
Jack> All I ask is that you help me help the rest of the world learn this so we don't annihilate each other.
Collin> Yes, Okay.
Jack> Thanks Collin... you been doin' some GREAT teachin' tonight yerself, my Brother!
Collin> Thanks so much, Jack.
Jack> You are VERY welcome!
yomo> yeah - now - the problem seems to be that when you say orgasm people immediately start thinking you are a sex maniac
Collin> Ha.
Jack> Yeah, these days it's even being used as a Propaganda Tool.
Jack> Don't get me started.
Collin> ;-)
yomo> or at least overly concerned with sex.
Jack> :-)
Collin> I hear ya.
Collin> Much love and success to you both.
Jack> That's why a community like this is so important yomo. And it's very important
Jack> for all y'all to help each other and not just rely on me, and you guys are really
yomo> I almost see it as a way a tuning into a way a deeply relaxing - and that "orgasm" is sort of the underlying reality of life.
Jack> demonstrating that tonight.
Jack> YEAH YOMO!!! That's what the Ancient Tantrics taught!
Jack> Orgasm IS the Life Force. The cosmos itself is Orgasm. We just need to learn to ALLOW ourselves to experience,
yomo> wilhelm reich too - but now it is dirty and selfish and ugly and perverted
yomo> .
Jack> in dynamic balance of course. That is the dance of Shiva and Shakti. :-)
Jack> Yeah re: Reich, don't forget to read Listen Little Man, and the Mass Psychology of Fascism. He clearly
Jack> links erotophobia and erotophobic hysteria and propaganda with the rise of fascism,
Collin> I think that sexuality and orgasm in itself is not dirty and perverted, but it is certain negative intentions that people place on it that is perverted.
Jack> and he wrote it in the 30's but he could just as well have posted it to a blog yesterday in ref to what's going on now.
Collin> Interesting, Jack.
yomo> sexuality definitely gets used in terrible ways
yomo> .
Jack> Yeah and the perversion comes from not accessing eros as the Essential Life Force. A most fundamental Gift from "God." (however you choose, if you choose to define Divinity).
Jack> Well guys, I hope you will keep posting, and responding to the posts of others, just speaking from your own experience, and that you'll keep
Jack> coming to these chats and helping one another.
Collin> Will do it. Thanks Jack.
yomo> I'll be back - thanks jack and Collin.
Jack> You're very welcome, Collin. You Rock!
Collin> have a good night, Yomo.
Jack> So do You, Yomo. Hey yomo, please send me an email with yomo in the subject line, ok? I want to
yomo> good night.
Jack> email something to you.
Jack> Good Night and Beeg Huggs to you both!
yomo> okay.
Jack> tnx.
Collin> Coming from someone who seriously rocks, that is quite a nice thing of you to say!
Jack> Thanks a LOT for being here tonight.
Collin> ;-)
Collin> Ok. good night.
Jack> Why thankya Brother! Sometimes seriously rocks, and sometimes not so seriously! ;-P
Collin> LOL
Jack> Sweet Dreams to you both!
Collin> Same to you all.
yomo> 8?)
Jack> Oh nice one!
Jack> nice EIGHT, actually. :-)
yomo> took me awhile - sweet dreams.
yomo> heh heh.
Jack> See you both in the Forum. Yomo, pls be sure to pass a copy
Jack> of the Protocol to your doc, so he knows what's up and so he'll learn about what this is all about, k?
yomo> okay - first I have to choose a doc.
Jack> And pls be sure to let him know he is welcome to call me. Yomo re: locating
Jack> a doc, check that www.aasect.org/directory.asp
yomo> hmmm... for MD as well?
Jack> and find somebody in your area, then contact them and ask THEM for an MD referral.
yomo> ahhh... okay.
Jack> They often work with MD's and there are even some members of aasect that ARE MDs. I know at least one who is very cool!
Jack> Yeah yomo, keep me posted by email, ok?
Jack> Step by Step, Brother!
yomo> okay - thanks jack.
Jack> You're very welcome, yomo! Thanks for having the courage to be here and be real! :-)
yomo> your welcome.
Jack> :-)
yomo> ;?)
Jack> Ok, guys, let's head for the door and hit the light switch. :-)
Jack> Til next time then,
Jack> take care! Bye for now.
yomo> who first?
Jack> You first, I'm the host. :-)
Collin> Hey Jack
yomo> bye.
Collin> Will you arcive this chat?
Jack> Yes Collin?
yomo> has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page)
Jack> Yes... Pan was doing that but hasn't been able to lately so I may need to find a volunteer so we can get caught up.
Collin> Okay.
Collin> I had wanted to save this one, but I don't think I can.
Jack> Email me with Collin in the Subject line and I will send it to you.
Collin> Ok, thanks so much
Jack> My Pleasure. :-)
Collin> Have a good night. Hope you get your sleep!
Jack> Cheers, eh.
Collin> cheers.
Session Close: Thu Mar 03 20:33:00 2005