• There were SEVEN Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Adepts™ present at this very instructive chat, including a female Adept, offering suggestions and answering questions of the newbies, and sharing details of what their personal multi-orgasmic experience is like. ("Adepts" are people who have learned how to have hours of multiple orgasms by using the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger as demonstrated in my audio seminar, and for the men, without having to use any ejaculation control, withholding, PC muscle squeezing, or other distracting, frustrating methods.)
• Multiple Orgasm Adepts Drew and Jonathan began by discussing Jonathan's sharing the multiple orgasm experience with his girlfriend, and that the emotions shared are now "WAY MORE INTENSE" than previously experienced.
• He also reported her positive responses to this new energy appearing in their lovemaking.
• Next, newbie "earthjoy" was welcomed as a first timer to the Live Chat. Earthjoy reported just getting started with the Key Sound practice, and noted that his first goal was to learn how to relax more.
• Jack and the others supported his making that his primary initial goal, just relaxation using the Key Sound practice, rather than trying to make multiple orgasms happen right away. Several discussed the importance of setting up a sexy atmosphere with candles, low light, etc. Jack noted that this setting helps contribute to that atmosphere of relaxation.
• Earthjoy then asked about the possible role of sexual fantasy in the practice. The experienced guys cautioned earthjoy about becoming too externalized in the beginning by using fantasy (altho a little could be fine), but instead to focus on the basics of using the Key Sound as demonstrated in the audio seminar, and then tuning in to the automatic Echo Effect feelings that happen after one makes the Key Sound correctly.
• Jack cautioned that it's a common error to start adding extra activities e.g. fantasy, various tantric techniques etc., rather than just sticking with the basics. He further warned that this could actually slow down the progress.
• Jonathan clarified that his "fantasy" energy was in the form of feeling exotic and sexy and connected with his lover. Jack affirmed his feeling that this particular kind of "fantasy" is very congruent and does tend to supplement the effects of this practice.
• New "Adept" Max then joined the group to share some of his experiences with hour-long multiple orgasms... again without using any ejaculation control or PC squeezing, etc.
• Max and [Adept] Drew then compared notes on what the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm experience has been like for them. It is very interesting to see how they both report certain physical happenings that are similar.
• Max asked an excellent question of Drew: to compare the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm experience with (pre-KSMO) orgasm occurring WITH ejaculation. See the chat for Drew's reply!
• Max then asked Jonathan to share what HIS new Key Sound multi-orgasmic experience is like.
• Jonathan then gives an excellent description of what this new multi-orgasmic opening is like for him.
• Max and Jonathan then make a very important (and to pre-Multiple people quite startling) revelation: that these FREQUENTLY multiples often occur with very little or even NO stimulation, and often with no erection!
• Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Adepts Shiva (France) and Pan [ Spinal Injury resulting in chronic pain ] then joined the chat, and the whole group emphasized that erection is not necessary, and that vigorous stimulation is not only not necessary, it may actually be counterproductive! It may actually prevent one from SLOWING DOWN ENOUGH to be able to open to the non-ejaculatory multiple orgasms!
• Jonathan then made the point that these multiple orgasms actually exercise the abdominal muscles... sometimes even to the point of soreness. The others agreed and also noted that by learning to relax for a little while after this kind of tensing, that opens them up to more multiple orgasms.
• Jack emphasized the importance of the Adepts telling their stories since it's natural for people not to believe Jack since he's the author of the CD. EVERYBODY acknowledged that they were at first skeptical, and reading the stories of others was what motivated them to learn how.
• Pan then asked if others had any difficulty transferring the Key Sound practice to lovemaking with a partner. The group gave suggestions, and Jack did a review of the basics of introducing Key Sound practice to a partner and then gradually bringing it in to coitus.
• Fingerz then returned to the chat with a progress report... definitely starting to feel the pleasurable Echo Effects AT WILL... asking about how to increase the intensity. Jack mentioned that in this chat there are 7 or so people who know how to experience full multiple orgasms and that he was welcome to tap their experience, which he did!
• He also DID note that already the feelings are "WAY more intense than ejaculatory orgasms."
• Mari then described HER practice of the Key Sound... with some of the strongest results yet, and they lasted all day!
• Just before Fingerz had to depart the chat, Jack gave a detailed commentary/assessment on where Fingerz seemed to be at in his practice, with some suggestions.
• Jack then announced that he will be placing an audio file up on the website that's a phone conversation with Max, recorded with his permission, where he tells his story in his own words, so that when new people visit the website and are understandably skeptical about what is being offered here, they will here Max (and others!) tell of their experiences not only in their own words, but also in their own voice. All agreed.

Session Start

jack> Hello!

Drew> (Drew and Jonathan were chatting before transcript logging started) at those times, you need to really reassure yourself

Drew> Hey Brother!

Drew> Welcome!

Jonathan> ...but since MMO I feel sexual energy in a MUCH more intense way, such as when my girlfriend touches me (HEY JACK!).

jack> Thanks! Same to you! Sorry I'm late... whatcha talking about? Hey Jonathan! That was a nice post to the Forum. Pls continue...

Jonathan> I was just saying that I always thought I was open to my feelings...

Jonathan> But that MMO has allowed me to be more open to them

Jonathan> now when my Girl and I are intimate, the energy is generally WAY MORE INTENSE.

Drew> Oh, it was YOU who made that post to the forum! :-) That was very inspiring and encouraging to me!

Drew> do you feel that all over your body?

Drew> not just in the genital area

Jonathan> Yea, I really felt her love and warmth in an intense way.

Jonathan> and it was very much in the whole body.

Drew> THAT'S AWESOME!!!!!!

Jonathan> I was contracting in a way, I had my legs around her and I was moving....I thought I may hurt her, and I was making lots of noise.

Jonathan> She later said she loved it [:-)

Drew> Hello earthjoy!

jack> Welcome Earthjoy!

Jonathan> Hi Earthjoy.

earthjoy7> Hi!

earthjoy7> Thanks!

jack> Multiple Orgasm Adepts Drew and Jonathan are discussing Jonathan's multi-orgasmic

Drew> I wondered how 'she' felt about that...

jack> experiences with his girlfriend...

earthjoy7> Cool!

Drew> it sounds like she's 'open' to it

Jonathan> Yea, she said it was great. I'm sort of slowly introducing her to KS and VB also.

Drew> That's wonderful!

jack> Great Jon, remember the couples' exercises in the audio seminar...

Jonathan> BTW, thank you JACK!

Drew> things will really heat up when she 'practices' too! ;-)

Jonathan> and drew, I find other successes very inspiring when I'm struggling to feel such eros.

Jonathan> other=other's drew=Drew

Drew> That's what we're here for... to encourage each other

jack> Yes indeed! And to help the newbies learn how...

Drew> we're forging into new territory here

jack> That's for SURE, Drew!

Jonathan> It's fun being sexual pioneers!

Drew> I feel honoured to be part of it Bro!

Drew> LOL I like that!

jack> Pioneers is definitely IT... since we are drawing the map for multiple orgasm with NO ejaculation control gimmicks!

Drew> Hello Howard

Jonathan> Geez Jack, it's still hard to believe!

Jonathan> Welcome, Howard.

jack> Hi Howard! Welcome! Yeah, I hear you Jon, about hard to believe... but THERE IT IS!!!

Drew> There is no denying those feelings!

jack> How about we take a moment to let earthjoy and howard tell us a little about themselves... i.e., newbies, experienced, etc.?

Drew> Yeah, I'd like that...

Jonathan> Me too.

earthjoy7> I am fairly new at this. I have the audio tape, and I recently purchased the Aneros...

jack> How about it earthjoy, and Howard... Is this your first time here? What questions do you have? Have you practiced the Key

jack> Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger yet? etc.

earthjoy7> This is my first time in chat

Drew> Welcome to our community!

earthjoy7> I have practiced the KS a bit

earthjoy7> maybe about 10 minutes

earthjoy7> It felt natural and good to do...

Drew> :-)

earthjoy7> though I did 't notice much happening energetically yet

Jonathan> It can be subtle initially.

jack> It takes a little while to wake up the multi-orgasmic channels... It's not "instant gratto"...

earthjoy7> Yes, and I have a quite a bit of stress and tension in my body -- I would imagine that as I relax by spending more time in practice that the energy would be able to flow more freely.

jack> It take a lot of UNlearning of old "hurry-up" patterns, etc.

jack> I agree earth! It's good you're aware of that.

Jonathan> Yea, I find that being relaxed and having a good atmosphere helps a lot.

jack> I recommend you not worry about trying to "make" orgasms happen immediately, but rather

jack> just use the Key Sound practice as I teach in the audio seminar and also look at Chat 0078... and just

jack> use the practice to RELAX... make that your first goal... before any expectations of suddenly becoming multi-orgasmic... Just concentrate

jack> on relaxing... Does that make sense?

earthjoy7> Yes, for sure.

jack> I agree with "atmosphere" Jon!

Jonathan> Candles, music, a tidy room, incense... All these things help me feel sexier.

jack> Excellent suggestion, Jonathan! It

earthjoy7> Me, too

jack> reinforces that first goal of RELAXATION...

Jonathan> I read part of a book telling women how to have an orgasm and it went step by step though how they could do it...

jack> That's gooood, earth!

Jonathan> they early chapters were all about "feeling sexy"...

Drew> Oh man... that's something that hitting me.... the 'tidy room' thing... I've recently had that awareness myself

Drew> the energy is better in an uncluttered room

Jonathan> I almost couldn't do it in a messy cluttered room, especially when I first started.

Drew> helps your bodymind feel uncluttered too

earthjoy7> Re feeling sexy, what do you think about using sexual fantasy while practicing?

Jonathan> I enjoy that earthjoy. Sometimes though I just concentrate on the feelings the KS produces, basically back to that "relaxing" thing.

Drew> It can be useful; be wary of it taking you 'external' though... i.e. if you're busy visualizing a fantasy it can take you out of the FEELINGS in your body

earthjoy7> That makes sense to me

Jonathan> I concur with Drew on that.

Drew> :-)

jack> Me too!

earthjoy7> I suppose a balance of awareness between the fantasy and the body would be good

Drew> I sometimes use my imagination to take an feeling (echo effect, tingling etc.), and imagine it spreading all over my body

earthjoy7> or better, a simultaneous awareness

Drew> it works quite well

jack> Earth, please note what these multiple orgasm experts are saying the importance of tuning in to how you are feeling physically. I do

jack> agree that if you're going to use fantasy, learn to balance it. I would strongly suggest though that in the

jack> beginning to consider NOT using a lot of fantasy. One of the mistakes that people make in the beginning with this

jack> is bringing in other activities or practices that actually can get in the way of learning

jack> how to tune in to the Echo Effects that give you

jack> the feedback letting you know when you are making

jack> the Key Sound correctly or not. When

jack> you make the Key Sound correctly, you'll get automatic pleasure feelings after using the Key Sound... It's

jack> important to be able to recognize them. If you are running fantasy, or trying to add other (e.g. tantra) techniques or

jack> whatever, that can actually slow you down.

Jonathan> Just a note: My fantasies during MMO usually center around imaging a deep connection with my lover, or just feeling like I am a sexy and exotic person. Neither of these really take me 'out' of my body.

earthjoy7> Sure. I realize that I wasn't thinking aout fantasy when I practiced the KS. I was concentrating on the sounds and feelings.

earthjoy7> Fantasy came up more during using the Aneros without KS

jack> Oh OK...

jack> I agree Jonathan... that's a very nice clarification. The way you are describing "fantasy" feels congruent and complementary to this practice.

Jonathan> Having MMO's makes me feel pretty "exotic and sexy" whether I call that fantasy or not [:-)

jack> I agree! LOL ;-)

earthjoy7> The first session with Aneros, I didn't feel much except that it felt a bit strange. However, the second session became quite pleasurable and fantasies just came mind

jack> I definitely vote "Yes" for "exotic and sexy!" :-)

Jonathan> lol

earthjoy7> Sounds good to me!

Drew> me too

Drew> do you think that's a shift in attitude for the 'males' in our species?

Jonathan> I feel like it is. The media images of male sexuality, I generally think, paint us as sort of repugnant.

Jonathan> not really exotic or sexy.

Drew> LOL I suppose they do

Jonathan> with a few exeptions.

jack> I agree. Let's rewrite the script!

Drew> I'm all for that!

jack> Hey guys, how about we give Howard a chance to intro himself if he wants?

Drew> sure thing

Jonathan> Absolutely

Drew> HI Max

jack> (earth and max(welcome!!!), we just asked Howard to intro himself)

Jonathan> Greetings Max!

max> Hi Drew, and everybody!

jack> [Max is another new Multiple Orgasm "Adept"!]

earthjoy7> Hi Max

Drew> kewl

max> Hi earthjoy7

jack> How 'bout it KiwiHoward? Care to intro yourself and tell us

jack> a little about where you are in your practice?

jack> Also, do you have any questions?

jack> Calling howard... are there?

jack> [Howard's in NZ so the connection may be slow and/or iffy]

Jonathan> S'okay.

jack> See what I mean? :-)

Drew> bummer

jack> OK... Hey MAX!!!! How's it going, dude? [Max and I had a GREAT

Jonathan> Maybe he'll come back.

jack> telephone conversation yesterday!]

max> It is going great!

Drew> That's wonderful, Max!

max> How far are you into the practice drew?

Drew> it depends if I answer in years or some other measure

Drew> time wise, it's been about seven years ( I think)

max> I would like to know in terms of multiple orgasms

Drew> I feel that I've learned a great deal

Drew> and

Drew> had some wonderful multi-ogasmic feelings

Drew> I still sense there is more... I'm still redefining what MMO actually is

max> Have you ever felt your face quiver?

Drew> just when I feel/think the pleasure can't get anymore intense.... it takes off again!

Drew> I've felt my neck quiver

max> I know what you mean!

max> When I feel the pleasure coming it will take over my whole body

Drew> there are still areas where I feel 'blocked' and not totally open to the MMO feelings/energy

Drew> and, that's OK

Drew> it's always going to be a process

max> If there is more than what I have felt I would go insane!

Drew> and, integrated into the rest of my life

jack> [LOL to max]

max> How would you compare MMO to ejaculation Drew?

Drew> I wouldn't

Jonathan> heheh

Drew> they are so different

Jonathan> Once again, I concur with Drew!

Drew> I'm not satisfied by ejaculorgasm any longer

max> What do you feel Jonathan when you are into an MMO session?

Jonathan> Hmm, several things...

max> Can you describe for us?

Jonathan> Give me a moment, I need to think of how to say this.

Jonathan> It's like waves, sometimes I'm surprised when I have a very intense one followed by a VERY VERY intense one. The waves themselves..

Jonathan> Are a lot of tingling and heat, I tend to bend at my lower abdomen involuntarily.

Jonathan> Heat spreads up my spine sometimes... Sometimes I giggle.

max> Do you eyes water too?

Jonathan> At the higher levels I brethe out in big puffs and fill my lower abodomen, it just sort of happens, that's when I know it's about to REALLY take off :-).

max> That is the best! feeling.

Drew> :-)

Jonathan> I haven't noticed my eyes watering. I jerk around a lot sometimes. And sort of tense up into a curled up arc.

Jonathan> and move in and out of that.

Jonathan> and roll around a LOT sometimes.

max> At this time do you stimulate yourself?

Jonathan> Sometimes, though not much... Often not at all.

Jonathan> I've recently started stimualting myself more during KS.

Jonathan> Sometimes I'll alternate between stimulating myself then not stimulating myself...

max> When you touch yourself it is like lighting a fire!!!

max> What do you think Drew?

Jonathan> What do you find the best way to touch yourself to be?

max> I think that touching my nipples will set it off for me.

Drew> I tend not to stimulate myself too much during 'practice'

Drew> at least not my genitals

Drew> nipples are good though (and sensitive)

max> I agree Drew. I have had my best orgasms without any touch at all!

jack> [welcome puff and shiva!] Drew, Jon, Max... I think what you guys are saying

jack> is gonna sound UNBELIEVABLE to people who have not yet

SHIVA007> Hi all !

jack> experienced KS Multiple Orgasms

Pan> Hi folks

Drew> I also 'encourage' the energy to circulate by using my fingers/hands to lightly caress myself (all over)

jack> Hey that's a very good tip, Drew!

Drew> sometimes a light 'scratching' with my fingernails

jack> What about all of these guys who still think that to make this happen they have to maintain constant erection and have to engage in

Jonathan> I do something similar Drew, all I can do is agree with you today.

jack> vigorous stimulation?

Jonathan> :-)

Drew> What can I say!? :-)

jack> [re: Drew/Jon] See what the common threads are?

Drew> Batting 1000

jack> See how low stimulation, body sensations, etc. are often so similar among those of you

jack> who have learned how?

jack> It is VERY cool to be documenting that! Cuz

jack> when I say it on the website or whatever, people think I'm nuts!

max> I agree Jack! Once you learn there is no turning back!

Jonathan> It's true.... It's so much more about what's going on INSIDE than OUTSIDE.

jack> I hope you guys will help me emphasize here by expressing in your own words how important it is to

Pan> I agree, all my best sensations are paradoxically non-vigorous

jack> realize that constant erection is NOT necessary, that

SHIVA007> Yes, sometimes just lying down relaxed, almost sleepy and making KS open vibrating liltle orgasmic waves..

jack> PARADOXICALLY, vigorous stimulation is NOT the way for multiples to happen...

Pan> and yet the orgasmic feelings are much longer and more intense than "the usual"

jack> Right on Shiva!

jack> Right on, Puff!

Jonathan> Erection/No erection is a total non-issue with regards to MMO.

Jonathan> It doesn't matter either way.

max> I agree Jack. Once you learn to relax, and make the key sound properly you will feel them coming!

Pan> I've found its almost like "sinking" deeper and deeper into waves of orgasms

jack> Right on, Jon and Max!

jack> Nice image, Puff!

Jonathan> In fact, there are some stimulations that cannot be done as well with an erection, like rolling the tip of a soft lingam around between thumb and index finger (which feels really good).

Jonathan> I do have one question, if that's okay. I'd like to hear about some opinions.

jack> Like a veteran female sex educator once told me "Sometimes a soft-on is a lot better than a hard-on!" :-)

jack> By all means Jon!

max> Right on jack!

jack> :-)

Jonathan> Does anyone else get sore abdomen after MMO? After last Saturday I felt like I'd been doing crunches, I had to wait about a half a week before doing more MMO.

Jonathan> I had, maybe 8 really intense orgasms that night.

max> Mine does. I think it is building my abs

Drew> yes, I concur with that

jack> Me too!

jack> YES! FORGET about all of those infomercials that sell ab/crunch videos, eh boys? :-)

Drew> you're probably using muscles you don't tend too ... or using them in a 'different' way

max> Who cares how sore you are when you fee!l this much pleasure!

jack> The one thing about soreness is that it's a message to slow down, and take a little break... don't try to push past that!

Jonathan> Alright, cool.... I guess I'll get a better looking stomach out of all of this too. Geez, Jack, this is a cure all for everything isn't it? :-)

jack> Pretty much, Jon, IMHO!

Pan> Jon, do you find yourself tensing your abs while exhaling especially around orgasms?

Jonathan> I won't try to push past it, and I didn't.... I just figure the muscles will get stronger.

jack> Right, Jon!

max> It is a cure all for extreme pleasure that must be felt

jack> Good question, puff!

Pan> I tend to have that urge and just relax through it, which seems to open me up to more ecstacy

Jonathan> Yea, I find the lower abdomen really tenses up, Pan. I curl forward. Sometimes I have an arm or two between my legs all the way to my shoulder.

Jonathan> I'm trying to learn to just relax through it.

jack> Yes, if you get into high muscle tension, it's good to hold off on Key Sounds for a while and give your body a chance

max> I agee Jonathan. I have too slow down because I will get very sore. I have orgasmed so hard that I had welts under my armpits from contracting my body so hard!!!

jack> to recover a little from the intensity of the energy flowing through... let it happen in cycles...

Pan> maybe just focusing on a long, smooth out-breath might help?

Jonathan> Relaxing through it I feel will let me build a bigger sensation.

max> I agree!

Pan> works for me

jack> See what great teachers you guys are! I sure appreciate the help! :-)

Jonathan> I'l try the smooth outbreath when it really gets cooking, Pan, thanks for the tip.

max> We owe it all to you Jack!

Pan> glad to be of service

Pan> cheers to that Max

Jonathan> Aye, many many many thanks to Jack.

jack> Thanks guys, help me spread the word!

jack> It actually means more coming from you guys than it does from me, cuz I'm the author so a lot of guys tend not to believe me.

jack> That's why it is so wonderful for us to get together here and DOCUMENT that this IS REAL...

jack> Do you agree?

max> What is the longest orgasm that anyone has had?

Drew> I sure do... a GLOBAL effort!

Jonathan> That makes sense, Jack. I must admit I was a little skeptical when I read your website. It was the forums that convinced me to get the CD.

jack> Q.E.D.

jack> :-)

Pan> It DOES seem hard to believe. I'm STILL amazed by the end of my sessions how good i feel

max> I too was skeptical

jack> Me too!

jack> :-)

jack> But I kept practicing!

SHIVA007> MMO is easy and natural once we truly believe that we can do it and knowing that so many did it allow us to believe even more that it is easy and natural

jack> For sure, Shiva!

Jonathan> It validates me and makes it much easier to talk to you guys.

jack> That is GREAT, Jon!

jack> I'm wondering what Howard and earthjoy have to comment in response to what you/we have been sharing...

jack> and questions?

earthjoy7> It all sounds beautiful and amazing!

earthjoy7> I do have a question

jack> :-)

jack> Excellent! What is it?

earthjoy7> Are there different editions of the audio tape?

jack> It's now in it's FOURTH edition, which is a CD. The main

jack> program on the CD is EXACTLY the same is on the Third Edition audio tape.

jack> What's new is the Q & A section on the CD... It replaces and updates the Q & A booklet.

jack> Do you have a cassette tape or CD?

earthjoy7> I just checked my tape. I have the third edition.

jack> OK, no prob. I'll email you a link to get the updated Q & A.

jack> The main program is EXACTLY the same.

earthjoy7> Thanks

Pan> If I may, I have a question for the other veterans around here...

Pan> Has anyone else had some trouble transfereing their Key Sound to their love-making sessions?

Drew> Unfortunately, I don't have the experience to answer that question (YET!)... One thing I will mention though; a female friend of mine asked me to do the KS for her so she could here it. I COULDN'T do it at first...

Drew> I needed to get 'comfortable' with expressing myself in that way

Pan> I hear that brother!

Drew> I sense that 'solo' and shared practice are different

Drew> and in a way... MMO is all about expressing yourself

max> I agree!

Pan> I think part of it is I have yet to really teach my wife how to do it, she's quite busy...

SHIVA007> women tend to like it and to feel excited by it as far as I can say. So the Ks in LMS in OK :-) !

Drew> so... practicing with a partner is antoher level, and a chance to learn more about yourself

jack> and about each other!

jack> It's very intimate!

Drew> yeah

Pan> But also, its the positions of intercourse, like missionary, that seem to throw me off...

Pan> like how to make the KS with my abs in the upside-down position?

jack> It's WAAAAAY more intimate than trying to make love and practice ejaculation control or PC muscle squeezing at the very moment you want to be MOST connected with your partner!

max> I did the sound for my girlfriend, and when she saw me shaking, and feeling good, it turned her on!!

Pan> thats awesome Max!

jack> Puff, have you practiced the couples' exercises in the audio seminar with your wife yet?

jack> [yeah, cool, Max!]

Pan> a little aways back, but I think we both felt silly at the time

jack> furball!

jack> :-)

jack> Open your hearts...

Drew> yep

jack> Make it a meditation. Don't try to introduce it right in

SHIVA007> what Jack has just said about the PC manipulation ans its limitation is a very important point I feel !

jack> the middle of lovemaking... Make the practice of the exercises SEPARATE from lovemaking/intercourse in the beginning.

max> I have been in such an orgasmic state that I can hug her, and smell her perfume, and I will orgasm

jack> [Merci, Shiva!]

Pan> I agree with all of this, but I'm also wondering about the physical aspects...

Jonathan> I've only had one MMO experience with another, and she was just touching my lingam. The Valley Breathing allowed me to just feel SO MUCH from all of her touches and her love. I haven't tried it during coitus yet.

Pan> Like I'm so used to doiing in on my back with my knees up and all that...

SHIVA007> De rien :-) !

jack> :-)

Pan> so for instance missionary, anyone have KS trouble there?

Drew> never tried it

jack> Back to basics, Puff... Let me give a quick review, for partners...

Pan> of course

jack> As I mentioned, introduce your partner to it by doing the exercises in the audio seminar... even fully clothed to start with, if you want...

jack> Because, above all, it's about INTIMACY... later, multiple orgasm will be an EXPRESSION of

jack> that intimacy. So that's why you start off together with this completely apart from the (temporary) "distraction" of lovemaking

jack> and just concentrate on making intimate eye contact with your partner, etc.

Mari> Hi all

Jonathan> Hello Mari!

jack> [Welcome Mari!]

Pan> Hi Mari

max> Hi mari!

Mari> Thank you for inviting me today! Nice to see you all

earthjoy7> Hi Mari

jack> Mari, we're talking about introducing Key Sound practice to a partner...

Mari> oh very kewl thank you Jack.

jack> Once you are really able to pass the energy back and forth when you're just sitting, facing each other,

SHIVA007> Hi Mari !

jack> THEN add a LITTLE erotic stimulation... perhaps still in the sitting position, facing each other...

Mari> waving quietly to you Shiva>

jack> And concentrate on opening your HEARTS to each other, while making eye contact...

jack> and GRADUALLY introduce more stimulation (and perhaps fewer clothes) but most importantly, maintaining the CONNECTION with each other energetically.

jack> It is possible that you will reach multi-orgasmic states even before beginning coitus!

jack> But puff's question is a very good one! Because once your mouths are in close proximity to each other, you must be

Pan> Well now THAT sounds fun

max> I agree!

jack> [LOL, puff!] VERY careful about turning your head AWAY from your partner's ears when you feel a Key Sound coming on.

jack> That is SOOOOOOOO important!

jack> And also remember that use of the Key Sound is a TRIGGER for multiple orgasms. You don't have to "religiously" use the Key Sound

jack> constantly throughout your lovemaking... Once you have reached those ultra-high levels of arousal and are experiencing

Pan> I guess as a sub-question, what I'm wondering is how to maintain Valley Breathing in certain positions...

Pan> that normally engage my abs and what-not

jack> multiples, then you don't necessarily need to use the Key Sound, as long as you're maintaining the intimate connection and keeping your heart open.

jack> Don't worry about Valley Breathing at all!

Jonathan> Pan, I think the KS basically makes you breath right.

Pan> okey-dokey, I guess I'm just "thinking it too hard"

jack> Just slow, deep breathing, and maintaining eye contact, open heart, etc.

jack> YES Jon!!! When you are making the Key Sound correctly, the "Valley Breathing" happens automatically.

max> Exactly. The orgasms will continue to flow on their own!

Pan> sounds like a plan, I'll relinquish the forum back to the newbies

Fingerz88> hey Jack!

Fingerz88> Hello everyone

Pan> Hi Fingerz

Jonathan> Howdy Fingerz!

Drew> Hi Fingerz

jack> Puff, what I suggest you do for your "homework" is spend some time with your partner doing the exercises as I describe

max> Hi fingerz88

Mari> Hi Fingerz!

jack> in the audio seminar, and then follow the progression I'm suggesting... and when that leads naturally to coitus, that's great!

SHIVA007> Hi !

Pan> I certainly will, a new approach sounds like the way to go

jack> Like I said, it's very likely that you may both be in a multi-orgasmic state of high arousal

jack> BEFORE beginning coitus. Then just use an occasional Key Sound when you want to (timed to that larger than average inbreath)

Pan> Honestly we HAVE gotten there together on and off, its just, well inconsistent is all

jack> to pump the energy a little.

Jonathan> And if you have to explore new positions Pan, would that be so bad? :-)

Pan> LOL, I suppose not

jack> Puff, re: on and off... that's a good beginning... just practice the basic exercises with each other a little and then

jack> follow the progression I suggest and see what happens. Please take your time... but when able, it'd be great for

jack> you to report back here, and maybe your wife would be willing to share her experience here too, that would be great

jack> to be able to document her experience!

jack> [welcome, Fingerz!]

Fingerz88> I'd hate to change the topic of conversation, but I have small progress report and a few questions

Fingerz88> thanx

Pan> please feel free

Fingerz88> I remember telling you in the past that I thought i felt what might have been echo effects

Fingerz88> but I now realize that what I was feeling was just my imagination

Fingerz88> or maybe the very slight beginnings of resonance

Fingerz88> I haven't felt a non-ejaculatory orgasm, but

Fingerz88> I have DEFINITELY felt some significant echo effects

Fingerz88> it just seems like a lot of things you were referring to before made such sense

Fingerz88> but it seems too bad that it made sense to me only in retrospect

Fingerz88> I definitely understand what you were talking about when you spoke of the gates

Fingerz88> I can feel the tremors of resonance pretty much anytime now

Fingerz88> I haven't had a good opportunity to practice since my last major progress

Fingerz88> but whenever I think about the feelings and perform a KS or two I'm right back to where I ended the last time I practiced

Fingerz88> whew ... ovr

max> I know what you mean fingerz!

jack> Wow thanks for the check-in Fingerz, I was getting ready to email you and ask what's up... glad to hear

jack> from you! Fingerz you've got the benefit of about 7 or so people in this chat who have learned how so ask all

jack> of the questions you want. You are surrounded by experts! :-)

Fingerz88> I guess my next question is where should I go from here to maximize my efforts in the future

Fingerz88> man, I realize what you mean about the journey being so great

max> How far have you gone Fingerz?

Fingerz88> I feel echo effects all over my entire body in waves

Fingerz88> they feel like

Fingerz88> the chills that you get from a feather on your back but to a greater degree

max> Do you feel like your whole body is excited, and you are shaking?

Pan> excellent Fingerz!

Fingerz88> yeah ... definitely shaking

jack> You're waking up!

Fingerz88> it even happens unexpectedly every once in a while

jack> The gates are opening!

jack> Yep THAT's typical too!

max> Do you feel like you can aceept more pleasure?

Fingerz88> I'll be siting at my desk and I'll just shake

Fingerz88> it's really intense

jack> [EXCELLENT question Max!]

Fingerz88> it feels like ...

Mari> whoa me too

Fingerz88> much more intense than my ejaculatory orgasms already

jack> All RIIIIIIIIGHT!!!

max> O Yeah!! Fingerz!

Jonathan> Sounds very cool.

Fingerz88> I've been looking for the feeling for so long that I want to know exactly what the orgasm feels like ... but I'm not entirely sure if I'm ready for that much pleasure yet

jack> Which points right back to Max's excellent question...

jack> So how about that issue, Fingerz?

jack> You DON'T HAVE TO RUSH...

jack> That's the OLD cultural programming for males!

max> How true Jack!

Fingerz88> yeah, this is true ... I'm actually really enjoying the feelings

jack> Don't FORCE yourself...

Fingerz88> they fill my brain too

jack> :-)

Pan> MMO = brain food?

max> Do the fill your heart too?

Fingerz88> no, not really

jack> [Max. you rock!]

max> When they do look out!

Fingerz88> wow

jack> :-)

Fingerz88> I can't even imagine

Jonathan> This is no competition, nor is it a race. It is important to develope a repor with yourself. No one plays Debussy's best waltzes the first few times they sit at a piano.

Pan> well put Jon

jack> Don't try to imagine... just open to the feelings... they are literally "UNimaginable" in advance.

jack> [Right on, Jon!]

max> As Jack says: Open your heart! The pleasure will come!!!

Drew> YES! That's so true

Pan> absolutely! and they're often totally different each time for me

Jonathan> ahh yes Pan, I agree.

max> I agree too

Fingerz88> the progress that I've made has definitely pacified my eagerness to reach the climax

jack> "climax" meaning ejaculation?

Fingerz88> no no

Fingerz88> the MMO

Jonathan> Something important Drew said earlier, I don't think you were here fingerz. It is not really comparable to Ejaculorgasms at all.

max> How true!

Fingerz88> that's what I'm beginning to realize

max> MMO is the best!!!!

Fingerz88> I mean, the way you guys are talking it seems like the feelings that I'm having now are only a piece of the puzzle

Pan> yeah, but its YOUR puzzle, remember that

Fingerz88> and what I'm experiencing now is better than "ejaculorgasms" already

max> I think that is thre right way to phrase it. What do you think Jack?

jack> Like the brother said above, it's not a race!

Jonathan> And in that conversation, we all pretty much concurred that the best approach initally is to view KS as something without a goal other than relaxing at first. In other words, don't worry about the "BIG ONE", just relax and concentrate on doing KS properly and enjoying the feelings as they come.

Fingerz88> yeah, that's what I've been doing

jack> And you're getting excellent results!

jack> You're just mind-fucking them a bit...

max> Exactly. When you relax, and make the key sound properly, everything comes into place

jack> Note that you've said that they are already way more pleasurable than ejaculorgasm!

Pan> think of remembering how to do what you already naturally know how to do, rather than making it happen

Fingerz88> I actually tried to practice while I was doing things so as to not be so fixated with the actualy MMO

Fingerz88> the funny thing was that the first time I felt real echo effects

max> I think that that is a mistake

Fingerz88> I was reading about sex and orgasms in my neuroscience book ...

Mari> OH see that's where I had trouble this past week Fingerz

jack> We have a new chapter for that book!

Fingerz88> I was still relaxing an focusing in between reading ... but I was keeping myself occupied so that I wouldn't think about failure or goals

max> What kind of trouble did you have Mari?

Mari> *let me know when you're done Fingerz

Fingerz88> oh ... I'm done ... go ahead

Mari> This past week I had to back off my practice as it got overwhelming

max> How so?

Mari> In fact, I happen to be sitting here at my desk writing, and took minute to practice my KS

max> What happened?

Mari> I figure, I'd watch my to see if my abs would push out as I created the KS

Mari> While they did; Miss Yoni decided to go for a little ride... a BIGGER ONE followed and I had to quit the

Mari> practice as I was trying to work; inappropriate time I suppose

jack> LOL, a "higher-level gripe!" :-)

Fingerz88> wow

Mari> Being the curious one that I am; I had to check what was goin on with her

jack> But prior to checking, you were not

jack> doing any direct stimulation, correct?

Mari> typical clitorial swelling; and major vibratory effects for the REST OF THE DAY

jack> You GO, girl!

Pan> not quite the typical definiton of a "problem" LOL

Mari> including but not limited to my place of relaxation; Barnes and Noble while READING in the isle

max> How long do the effects last Mari?

Fingerz88> wow

jack> Barnes and Noble? I take it that that is a confirm about no direct stimulation when you were practicing! Yes?

Mari> each one seemed to get me to the point where I needed to cross my legs!

Mari> yes that is correct Jack

Mari> NONE

max> That is awesome!

Jonathan> That's encouraging Mari, I know it's wierd to say so. I'm anxious to get my girlfriend in on the action, so it's nice to hear that KS is so effective for you!

Mari> It works Jonathan

Pan> so were you not able to "stop the ride" Mari?

Mari> It's very kewl when it happens I feel; because I really believed it was for Men ONLY

jack> That's how my quest started (not trying to exclude women, tho!) but when I realized that

Mari> Puff, It had me pretty much till fatigue at some points. I think the point here was that

Mari> Jack and I were talking once before and he had mentioned to "Make the KS sound sexy"

jack> these multiples are achieved without any necessary connection to erection whatsoever, that it's all about AROUSAL, then

Mari> well the lower in my tone I went, the STRONGER they got

jack> I realized it's for all genders!

jack> ['scuse me... pls continue!]

Fingerz88> as I was reading ... I finally understood what you meant by the fact that orgasm is controlled by a completely different neural pathway

Fingerz88> erection's a result of parasympathetic neural activity and orgasm a resulat of sympathetic neural activity

Fingerz88> sorry mari

jack> Fingerz I think your school should bring us all in to do a presentation!@

Fingerz88> SO DO I!

Mari> Also, the fact that I liked to "hear my own moan" created a sensory or "neuro push" in my body

jack> [i.e. a positive feedback loop]

Pan> thats a good point, it got a lot easier for me when I learned to love the sound my own roar too

Mari> I fully understand what you're saying Fingerz

max> I agree. Hearing myself really turns on the juice!

Fingerz88> I'm so happy that I can finally identify somewhat with you guys (almost as happy as the echo effectsw make me feel)

Fingerz88> _

jack> Yes Ron talked about this in the audio seminar interview, about getting a boost from appreciating his own sound...

jack> LOL Fingerz!

Mari> Right Puff, it's the sound effect on my body both internally and externally that I think pushed me over the edge if you will

jack> And when you're with a partner it's that sound that raises the power!

jack> The orgasm is IN the sound!

Jonathan> Mari, do you think it was because your tone was lower, or because of something else that it was more intense? Like you were more relaxed or more into it? This will be important when I try to explain the sound to my girlfriend.

Mari> Jonathan: I really am believing that the lower the KS for me "SEXY and SENSUOUS" with openess and full relaxation will call up the Orgasmic effect

jack> I agree.

Mari> It's the sound and the breathing

max> I agree Too

jack> But it can trigger "furballs" of self-consciousness...i.e. shyness, etc.

Jonathan> I see, so the lower sound is more sensual and sexy sounding to you?

jack> What I also refer to in the audio seminar as "mind noise"...

Jonathan> That makes sense :-)

Mari> LOL I ain't got none of those right now thank God , Jack!

jack> I hear ya!

Pan> same here, but sometimes I get sorta 'stuck' at the top of my KS...

Pan> very roller coaster-ish

jack> If that's what your body wants to do, let yourself do it, Pan!

jack> Just remember then to take some regular (grounding) breaths so you

Pan> oh I do, its just kinda funny

SHIVA007> May I ask the group a question ?

Mari> Jonathan: Yes for me if I move into a lower tone, coming from a deeper place, then it brings deeper intensity

jack> don't go into a hyper/hypo ventilation loop.

Pan> hopefully not, THAT would be embarrasing!

Jonathan> I see. It is the same for me I think, it's interesting that it is so similar for women.

jack> Not just interesting, Jon, REVOLUTIONARY!

Jonathan> Thank you for the information Mari.

jack> Yes, thanks SO much, Mari! Mahalo nui loa!

SHIVA007> It is a question about amazment and the "magic" of the key sound.

Pan> sounds good Shiva

max> Women and men are very much alike. Right Jack!

jack> Vas y!

Mari> Now here is something that is a sidenote: I have a chest cold now, so I sound 'froggy" AND my voice is deeper than usual; I did KS this morning and boy o boy...

SHIVA007> The other day I was watching I file

jack> Mari's discovered the cure for the common cold! LOL!

SHIVA007> I found on the Internet

jack> Go, Shiva!

SHIVA007> It was "Street Magic" by David Blaine that you may have seen also.

Pan> oh yeah, love that guy!

SHIVA007> And it really made me think of what I felt with the keysound

Mari> I think it's about time both genders can play together and not compete with one another in the bed

Mari> You are welcome

SHIVA007> when it showed to be able to offer bypass of ejaculaiton in a "magical way".

Jonathan> Sexual congruence between the genders is incredibly revolutionary.

jack> [Amen, Mari! Pls continue, Shiva...]

SHIVA007> So the question is

SHIVA007> Jack being the David Blaine of MMO :-)...

jack> LOL

SHIVA007> The question is Does anyone have something to share around the experience and the deep amazement of being in the point of non return Zone, steping into it, and through the KS flying unexpectedly into a dry orgasm, that can be like the most intense one when "very genital" and linked to ejaculation. For me the "magic" of the KS is very apparent there, everything indicates that it is going to be a wet and ejaculatory orgasm and then, surpris

Pan> sounds like kinda like Tantra to me Shiva

Pan> where you build up and right at that point you send the energy upwards instead of out?

SHIVA007> yes but amazement is universal !

SHIVA007> It opens the heart.

SHIVA007> It can at least.

Pan> and the mind

Fingerz88> but hey, guys I actually have to go ... I really wish I could stay but hopefully I'll be able to talk to you guys sometime soon with some new progress (Thanx jack, jon, max, Pan, and EVERYONE )

Jonathan> I must say I find it unbelievable and terrific everytime, Shiva. Lately I smile and laugh a lot during and after MMO. Something I'd not done much before with Ejaculorgasms.

jack> Fingerz can you wait just a minute I have something to add to your segment?

jack> Can you gimme just two minutes?

Mari> Bye Fingerz

Fingerz88> yeah ... I'll wait

jack> Thanks!

jack> It's this... First, I know that you are in a school situation that is highly competitive and stressful and intellectually very intense,

jack> and so some of that intellectuality (to coin a word, I guess) can spill over into your practice and you may start over-thinking

jack> your experiences of multiple orgasm, and also kind of grading yourself in comparison to others. But here's a quick

jack> evaluation from yours truly, the Professor of Multiple Orgasms... :-)

jack> You are already having multiple orgasms. You have already said that what you

jack> are experiencing is considerably more intense and pleasurable than what you ever experienced with

jack> ejaculorgasms. Please consider that possibility... You are already "there" to the extent there is a "there". The thing is

jack> though, that you have knocked loose a furball: Can I really allow myself to feel more pleasure than this?

jack> Given your intense academic context, it could actually be a bit of a challenge to really let go, because in that

jack> environment you have to be ON so constantly. So take it easy, approach this practice with awareness and acceptance. I am

jack> really glad to see that just a little while ago you did show some positive shifting and realizing that you had more

jack> in common with the rest of us Adepts than you had realized... You are talking about being able to experience these "thrills" AT WILL.

jack> That is a very

jack> common characteristic of these multiples. It's now a question of intensity, and what I heard you saying is

jack> that given that issue about allowing yourself to feel more pleasure, and as Max so astutely noted, the issue of allowing

jack> yourself to open your heart... you may be at a TEMPORARY maximum of where you can be with this... until you can allow

jack> yourself to feel more pleasure and to open your heart a little more. Like I said, given the academic pressure cooker

jack> you are in, that can be challenging... to let go like that... Also be aware that as you start to open a LITTLE more

jack> (and pls consider making that your goal: to open a LITTLE more, when you feel you can without pushing or forcing) to

jack> the feelings of pleasure, and opening a LITTLE more in the heart area, that you may start feeling rushes of feelings,

jack> like tears (yes, Max? yes, Puff?) and so on... So go SLOWLY... because you're at a place where emotional healing from

jack> past wounds can begin. You may also want to check in with the Counseling service a little bit as this stuff surfaces...

jack> Just for a little oppty to talk through some of what might come up... Don't try to bulldoze through it, please. And I'm serious

Fingerz88> I understand, I'm definitely proceeding with caution

jack> about asking your school to invite the lot of us to come tell our story... :-) OK, that's it... thanks for hanging around long enough for me to share that with you. I hope it's helpful.

Pan> Fingerz may offer one last quick suggestion before you go?

Fingerz88> of course!

Pan> When i started out I had a LOT of mental noise...

Pan> I learned to say this phrase during my sessions kinda like a mantra :

Pan> There is NO place to go, and Nothing to do.

Pan> It owrks for me anyway

Fingerz88> ok, cool ... I'll definitely try it

SHIVA007> Me too when I started out I had o lot of noise, but now it is only my neighboors who have noise.

Pan> best of luck

Fingerz88> Thank you so much for the advice

Pan> LOL

Mari> LOL Shiva

Fingerz88> hahaha

max> Thanks for the info everybody!

jack> Bye Fingerz, good luck in school and with your practice... pls keep in touch!

Fingerz88> I definitely will

Mari> Bye Fingerz! Have fun now

jack> LOL

Fingerz88> thanks ... I will

Fingerz88> I have more to say so hopefully I'll be able to talk to you soon

SHIVA007> all the best for you fingrez

Fingerz88> but for now ... BYE

jack> Great Fingerz!

Fingerz88>

Jonathan> I must say goodbye as well. This conversation has been nothing short of great. I have a date tonight though!

jack> Lucky gal! :-)

Pan> go get 'em tiger!

Mari> Yay for you Jonathan! Ok nice to see you today

Jonathan> Thank you all, you are inspiring and helpful.

Jonathan> And all the best.

jack> Jon, can YOU stay just a minute?

jack> VERY short, I promise...

Jonathan> Sure, I have a minute.

Drew> the feeling is mutual, Jonathan!

jack> Tnx. Here goes...

SHIVA007> By jonathan and not to loud in her ears :-) !

jack> As I mentioned, Max and I had a great conversation yesterday, which I recorded, with his knowledge and permission...

max> Right Jack!

jack> I want to publish at least excerpts from it on the website so visitors can hear what this experience is like in a person's own words.

jack> And then maybe offer the whole (edited for smoothness) conversation with my commentary as a download. The thing is,

jack> I would like to do the same thing with each of you who are willing. It's nice for people

max> I agree!

jack> to come to the website and see the wonderful statements you have made... but they still tend to be skeptical and

SHIVA007> If you need sound processing for this audio file I can give a help.

jack> can still say well Jack is selling CD's and I've been burned before, so he maybe just made all of these people up... But,

jack> we go a step further when we can let them hear you tell your story in your own words AND in your own voice! I think that will help a LOT.

jack> Also, as you noted,

SHIVA007> Yes that would be a good idea a serie of voice testimony with a flash sound menu

jack> pretty much every one of you was skeptical when you first came to the site... so this will help, and the other thing is,

jack> please go to the four corners of the Internet and tell your story and our story (and point them back to the site using your affiliate link!) so

Drew> Skeptical. moi? I son't recall that at all! ;-)

Pan> (sarcasm alert?)

Drew> Nooooooooo! LOL

SHIVA007> neither was I ! That why I here now may be :-) !

jack> we really can start to feel the energy on the planet shift and in relationships. What do you think? [Drew: LOL]

Mari> LOL omg *Pointing at the skeptics>

Jonathan> I'd do an audio for you, no problem. I understand, in this world everyone's trying to screw you over (and most have remarkable stamina). It would inspire people's confidence to have our stories in our voices.

jack> Thanks so much, Jon!

jack> We're the pioneers!

Pan> I'd be honored to sign up, anything to help Jack

jack> Thanks puff, your story is a very special one!

Pan> (blushing)

Mari> I'll do it if I can do it in the LOWER TONES ;-)

Mari> And of course I will do that for you Jack, you know this

jack> (Lowtone LOL: Mari!)

Jonathan> And I'm trying to tell people about MMO, starting with my friends. I'll try spreading the word on the net too, but I'm not sure how to do that.

jack> (Jon, I'll teach you!)

Pan> same here


jack> OK... I gotta go harvest some wine grapes... very orgasmic in itself... Thank you SO much

Jonathan> I really need to go now. I'll volunteer for anything that will help. (I make wine too Jack!)

jack> for being here today! I'll leave the channel open in case anybody wants to chat a while longer.

Jonathan> Bye bye.

jack> Bye Jon, thanks!

Mari> Bye Jack! Thanks for the Chat it was fantastic! (((( JJ & J ))))

max> Thanks Everyone. I hope you enjoy my interview!

jack> It's a great one! I'll get it on the site later this weekend.

Jonathan> Thank you all once again, and thanks Mari.

Pan> Best wishes Jack, thanks again for everything

Mari> Kewl thank you Max, Puff, Shiva, Jonathan, Howard, and Drew

jack> Mahalo nui loa, Mari, me ke aloha pumehana, as always!

max> Goodbye!! Thanks To all!

Mari> Mahalo

jack> You're welcome Puff! You are most inspiring!

Drew> Bye all!

Pan> (blushing again)

jack> Salut et merci, Shiva!

SHIVA007> Salut !

Pan> farewell all, have a wonderful weekend!

SHIVA007> Je continue à travailler dur sur le CD !

SHIVA007> C'est bientôt fini !