• Gold Nugget - emotional breaker
• Jack, Tom, and Drew review the concept of "emotional breaker" as a metaphor describing the tendency to shutdown the Male Multiple Orgasm experience as pleasure increases in intensity beyond one's previous comfortable limits.

[Drew speaking about a recent experience he'd had while working with Ericksonian hypnotherapist, Stephen Gilligan]

Drew> ...invoking a trance state in order to regress to explore the notion of early learning...

Drew> when this was demonstrated, it was rather pleasant, remembering the experience of learning to use a spoon for oneself, and the joy of being able to eat ice-cream using this new skill

Drew> when it became time to explore individually, my somatic self freaked out, and my cognitive self said "I ain't f**king goin there"....

Drew> Looking back, it was a really interesting experience, one that I needed to have at the time...

Drew> I'm still not sure how I'll manage it the next time this occurs (and it will), yet Steve gave me a few pointers. comments, questions?

Jack> Tom?

Tom> Yes, I was looking up 'somatic'

Tom> How is the trance state induced and what caused the negative effect?

Drew> Trance is a naturally ocurring phenomenon i.e. relaxed body, quietened conscious mind, alert sub-conscious mind. It was induced using simple language patterns, voice tone etc.

Drew> I need to clarify, I don't believe the effect to be negative...

Drew> I experienced my body shutting down in order to protect the aforementioned 'soft-spot', ovr.

Jack> This shutting down I associate to the "emotional breaker" which I've mentioned in our chats.

Jack> Tom, did you happen to read about the concept of "emotional breaker"?

Tom> I dont think so... Just about the furballs. Same thing?

Jack> They are related...

Jack> Often, as a person's body begins opening up to more pleasure, this pleasure can "pop loose and emotional furball", i.e. reawaken an painful memory. The result is often a shutting down of the pleasure

Jack> flow. I use the image of an "emotional breaker" popping... That is, the "somatic" self has reached a temporary limit to the amount of pleasure it can tolerate.

Jack> This is also related to Reichian theory. I guess a Reichian might say something like "as the orgasmic (or erotic pleasure) energy begins to increase its flow through the body, it may encounter "body

Jack> armor"... That is a blockage or tightening of musculature, etc. " This blocking of pleasure is actually felt to be needed by the selfto block against the old pain that lies just beneath it.

Jack> So a number of people have reported in our discussions that they get to a point in their practice of Male Multiple Orgasm where

Jack> they are feeling more pleasure than they have ever felt before, and suddenly they feel themselves shutting down, or spacing out, or,feeling negative emotions, etc. Often, upon further

Jack> exploration, they discover feelings such as that they don't deserve to feel this much pleasure, or that it is a sin, or it triggers earlymemories of being disc

Jack> discovered while pleasuring themselves, etc.

Jack> Drew did what happened to you in this hypnosis session remind you at all of the "emotional breaker" phenomenon?

[At this point, coincident with the discussion of "emotional breakers popping" the chat system crashed!]

Tom> "Sorry... system crash"

Jack> "Yeah, looks like it knocked out Drew, too!"

Jack> "Ironic that we were talking about "emotional breakers" popping when it happened!"

Jack> "Tom, have you had a chance to practice with the Key Sound at all yet?"

Jack> "Welcome back Drew... I was just telling Tom ho"

Jack> "how ironic it was that everybody's system went blewy as we were talking about emotional breakers popping. In Reverse Speech terms, that's"

Jack> "a demonstration of the power of the "Whirlwind". "

Tom> "Jack, yes i've been practising, but it hasn't made a difference yet."

Jack> "Drew, I was just asking Tom if he'd had a chance to personally explore use of the Key Sound yet."

Jack> "Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "no difference"?"

Tom> "Well I started with the sound and valley breathing and then stimulation..."

Tom> "Which work great (very pleasurable) but I noticed that I feel the same without the key sound"

Jack> "Have you had a chance to listen to the Key Sound the way I demonstrate it in my Key Sound™

Jack> "Are you saying that you feel the same as you've always felt?"

Tom> "Actually couldnt get it to play without cutting and pasting (I was going to post a message regarding this) But have been listening to the many examples on the tape"

Jack> "Oh so you have the tape, good! At what point to you choose to use the Key Sound?"

Tom> "No, feels really great with just the valley breathing"

Jack> "great, but... no different...? I'm a little confused here..."

Tom> "Valley breathing sometimes causes the key sound."

Tom> "Okay. I started trying the valley breathing and this felt very good (a kind of buzzing in the pubic bone)..."

Tom> "Then added stimulation later and this increased the pleasure and kind of focussed it into the PC area and away from the end of the penis."

Jack> "OK, so the buzzing was different than before you started this practice?"

Tom> "But what im saying is that I get these results wether using the key sound or not."

Jack> "OK... thanks for the clarification. When you begin the erotic stimulation, as you begin to feel turned on, do you notice yourself taking a larger than average INbreath?"

Tom> "Yes the buzzing is new (well ive felt it non-phisically with women before but not alone)"

Tom> "Yes I notice the larger breath, there is a kind of building of energy during the 3-4 normal breaths that lead to this larger inbreath"

Jack> "Once you take that larger than average inbreath, have you EXhaled that specific breath, using the Key Sound?"

Tom> "Yes"

Jack> "Have you noticed any "Echo Effect" response from your body immediately after that Key Sound, in the form of tingling, shaking, a wave-like effect, or anything?"

Tom> "I am currently practising the sound to get it more smooth and resonant as you suggested"

Jack> "Great! Please note that by "resonant" I don't mean in an auditory sense, but in a KINESTHETIC sense. That is, that when you make a Key Sound exhaling that"

Tom> "The most pleasure is during the last part of the valley breath and then the pleasure builds during the 3-4 normal breaths"

Jack> "larger than average inbreath, you get a feeling of "ah THAT was more like it!""

Jack> "Yes! Copy re: the regular breaths. That's why it is so important to take them! :0"

Jack> "That was supposed to be "

Jack> "Have you been able to increase the stimulation SOMEwhat and still maintain a sense of kinesthetic resonance re: the Key Sound?"

Tom> "I fid it takes alot of concentration (is this correct?) Like someone recently posted to the board that the must keep very still, I agree."

Jack> "It takes concentration... and AWARENESS of subtle sensations, the "different (new) good feelings", and"

Jack> "I personally have found that for me and for a number of others who've checked in here, that"

Tom> "Yes the stimulation is very helpfull, it does not interfere with the resonance"

Jack> "focusing on both the Key Sound becomes too much of a distraction. This is why I have switched in my teaching to encouraging people to just focus on making that Key Sound in a"

Tom> "I find moving or music etc.. very distracting"

Jack> "(copy re: stimulation and resonance... good!) resonant way, as one gradually increases stimulation, and not worrying about whether or not you're maintaining an erection, then"

Jack> "if you are making the Key Sound in a way that feels resonant, the "Valley Breathing" will take care of itself. The muscles in the abdomen and lower will AUTOMATICALLY move in the way they need to."

Tom> "Yes I even find an erection distracting, I noticed that the level of pleasure and amount of erection were inversly proportional"

Tom> "Im glad you mentioned the arareness of SUBTLE sensations, I was wondering. It seemed like it was about becoming more and more sensitive to subtle feelings"

Jack> "YES, very subtle, esp at first. RE: erection/pleasure,"

Jack> "You have made a VERY important observation! Re: erection (at least at times) being INVERSELY proportional to the pleasure. Isn't THAT an amazing discovery for men???"

Tom> "Yes its kinda strange, Ive been experimenting using erotica to stimulate arousal instead of contact with the end of the penis as I feel the latter is distracting"

Jack> "Well it sounds to me like you are on the right track, especially if you continue to focus on learning how to recognize those RESONANT Key Sounds, and remember to take natural breaths in between. What"

Jack> "say, Drew?"

Tom> "Thats good news, sometimes in between sessions I almost wonder if I was imagining it "

Drew> "Sorry, I've been attending to my cat!"

Jack> "Well Tom, that's what the followup support of the chats and the bbs were intended for! And I'm glad you could make it! Between chats pls post to the bbs."

Jack> "Well gents, I need to begin drawing our discussion to a close for this evening. BTW, have you seen where TAC is going to start translating the web site info into Italian? Isn't that great? And a labor of love!


Have you been checking out the posts on the Q & A Physical Conference on the bbs?"

Tom> "YES never miss!"

Jack> "ATTAboy! "

Jack> "Please add your comments and questions as well!"

Drew> "Me TOO! "

Jack> "Right on, brotha Drew!"

Jack> "Drew, please share the benefits of your year+ experience on the bulletin board!"

Tom> "Also would like to say thanks to TAC as well as Jack and Drew"

Jack> "Si Si! Io anche!~"

Drew> "I will Jack, my schedule should settle down for a while now, I plan to participate a little more."

Jack> "It's truly a realization of a big dream, to feel how our community is expanding globally!"

Tom> "Yes I see Drew is a veteran User #12 !"

Jack> "Thanks Drew, you've got a lot to offer!"

Jack> "Yes, #12 on the board, and actually just about #3 as a regular on the ol' chat system. You'll find him present from some of the"

Jack> "earliest days as you go back through the chat transcript archive. He and Benedict, aka Fred..."

Drew> "Thanks, I like to think that I can help someone. BTW, are there "

Jack> "Next week the chat will be at 2pm PDT, that's 2100 GMT to give our European brothers and sisters a chance. The following week will be back at 6pm PDT."

Drew> "people experiencing MAC related problems with the chat sessions?"

Jack> "I'm also gonna try to schedule a chat for TAC who's even further to the East, and I'll announce that in a week or so. His optimum times are 0900 GMT (yikes!) and 1400-1700 (mo' bettah!)."

Jack> "Yes Drew, re: MAC probs. I'm gonna speak with Tom Moore at O'Reilly tomorrow and see if we can track this down. Meanwhile, feel free to send him"

Jack> "your comments and experience to: software@ora.com He's a very nice, helpful guy."

Jack> "I want to thank you both VERY much for being here this evening. Tom, I don't know if you're aware, but Drew is in Michigan. So we're stretching our arms across the planet."

Tom> "Excellent never tried an internet chat before!"

Drew> "Yes I will, I need to speak to Tom on another matter, and plan to contact him shortly."

Jack> "Oh WOW!!! Isn't it an amazing gift from the thousands of techies etc who have glued this wonderful global mind together?"

Jack> "Copy, Drew, thanks."

Jack> "Tom I hope you'll... stay connected to these chats. It's great having you here!"

Jack> "Enjoy your "homework" "

Drew> "Yes, it's a technomarvell, I'm in awe!!!!!"

Drew> ""

Tom> "Thanks! take care..."

Jack> "I've been using the chat network for over 20 years and I still totally love how we can communicate like this without running up huge long distance charges. It's a great hope for the peace of the world"

Jack> "Bye Tom, thanks again!"

Jack> "Great to have you back, Drew!"

Jack> "((((((((Drew)))))))))"

Jack> "I got your photo with Fred smilin' right at me!"

Drew> "It's good to be back. Thanks for the chat tonight."

Jack> "You're welcome... til next time!"

Jack> "Good luck with the furballs!"

Drew> "Yes, perhaps I'll send you some e-mail soon , as I probably won't make next weeks chat. RE: Furballs, THANKS!"

Jack> "OK... you're welcome!"

Jack> "G'nite all!"

Tom> "PS: Drew, I have noticed that those kind of things (furballs) do get easier as you revisit them...good luck"
Drew> "GOODNIGHT! Hey, what about actions? Hugs etc."