• R.D. (who tells his story of opening to Male Multiple Orgasm at the end of the Audio Seminar) returns to chat after having checked out the completely revised New Edition (see ordering information).
• He and his partner are still discovering new subtleties of pleasure and intimacy. As a man who has been experiencing multiples for several years now, R.D. believes the New Edition will make the process even easier to learn!
• R.D. (who learned to use the Key Sound to open to Male Multiple Orgasm when he was in his early 50's) makes the startling revelation that he seldom experiences full erections, yet experiences intense multiple orgasms and delightful ecstatic intimacy with his partner!
• Next he shares a few tips about how he reaches the multi-orgasmic "Gate", and describes some of his first experiences.
• He continues by describing the qualitative differences in pleasure he feels by varying body positions while in the midst of the Male Multiple Orgasms, and Jack associates these different spontaneous positions with the "mudras" (meditative poses) of Tantra, for example, as depicted in the temple carvings of Konorak (aka 'Karnak') and Khajuraho for example.
• Jack then invites R.D. to share considerable detail about what is happening to him physically as he experiences the multi-orgasmic waves.
• Next R.D. tells of how he recognizes a certain decision point, a "tickle" (i.e. a strong urge to "go for" ejaculation), and how he instead uses the Key Sound to effect the non-ejaculatory multiple orgasms.
• Jack describes how he uses the Key Sound to release the pent-up pressure to ejaculate, and a number of autonomic (i.e., not consciously controlled or chosen) body movements that accompany his Male Multiple Orgasms, including eyes crossing, etc.
• R.D. describes the deep, multi-orgasmic sharing with his partner he experiences, even though he only has a partial erection.
• He realizes he's been enjoying Male Multiple Orgasms with his partner so much that he hasn't been doing much solo practice, and gains a new understanding of the importance of continuing it, in order to keep his relationship with his partner healthy.
• Next, R.D. shares a very moving story of how prior to learning Male Multiple Orgasms, he'd figured his sex life was about over (in his 50's at the time of this chat), and how he had so much performance anxiety that he was afraid to seek out a sexual partner.
• He tells of the positive effects on his self esteem, and how this in fact improved his attitudes and feelings towards women generally.
• He also reveals how learning Male Multiple Orgasms has changed his feelings towards men: he no longer feels as competitive, mistrustful, or "less than".
• Introducing Male Multiple Orgasm to his partner is the next part of R.D.'s dramatic story! He reaffirms the value of creating a time for Male Multiple Orgasm practice with a partner that is separate from their customary lovemaking times.
• The group concludes their chat by discussing the surprising emotional power of practicing the Key Sound at very low volume with no erotic stimulation.

R.D.> Howdy, Jack!

jack> Hi R.D., Welcome Back!!!

R.D.> Been awhile! Glad to be back! I'm real excited about the 3rd Edition!

jack> Please, say more!

R.D.> Well, I think it will be much easier for men to "grok" the process and also to realize that variations do exist so if and when they do encounter them they don't feel weird or offbase. I and my partner are still finding subtleties and experimenting with sound and touch.

jack> Maybe for those not familiar with you, you could intro yourself a little, age, where from, exp with MMO...

jack> For the record, R.D. is the "star" of our interview at the end of the Audio Seminar!

jack> Then I'd love to hear some examples of the "subtleties" you mentioned!

R.D.> Okay! Well, I'm almost 54,

R.D.> I hardly (pardon pun) get hard anymore

R.D.> (in fact, I experience even fewer erections

R.D.> than a few months ago)

R.D.> but my sex life is better than ever!

R.D.> Thanks to Male Multiple Orgasm and

R.D.> a very wonderful partner.

jack> R.D., some readers may have difficulty understanding how you can have few or even fewer

R.D.> More and more, I feel that we are getting closer to being ONE BEING sexually and spiritually

jack> erections yet feel that your sex life is better! Can you explain that?

R.D.> Ooops! Sorry for the interrupt. I type slooooow!

R.D.> Yeah, I don't need erections to experience MMOs.

jack> Please, tell us what you mean!

jack> What happens? How do you know it's an orgasm when there's not even an erection?

R.D.> I very rarely have an erection when I feel the full body ecstacies

R.D.> that characterize MMOs for me

R.D.> They are brought on thru the valley breathing and Key sounding and the

R.D.> sensual massaging of myself or partner

jack> How do you know that these full body ecstacies are "orgasms"?

R.D.> Well, since my body contracts and goes thru

R.D.> similar physical stuff;

R.D.> the racing pulse, the accelerated sensitivity

R.D.> to touch

R.D.> the waves of enjoyment

R.D.> Well, everything but the ejaculation.

R.D.> Plus, the intensity of the ecstacy and the

R.D.> vastly longer duration.

R.D.> I've had one orgasm last around forty seconds.

jack> By one orgasm do you mean one pleasure wave, or one _group_ of pleasure waves?

R.D.> Yes. ONE wave!

R.D.> My very first non-ejac orgasm

R.D.> was about 30 seconds long.

R.D.> It got even better when I went on

R.D.> to multiples because

R.D.> of the fun of doing variations

R.D.> and experiencing different intensities

R.D.> and so on.

jack> What do you mean by variations?

R.D.> Different body positions, different massage, different breathing, sounding

R.D.> All these things give a different feel or intensity to the ecstacy

jack> I'm really interested in your comment about body position in particular!

jack> It's something I noticed too, that by changing my position, even slightly, the qualities of

jack> the ecstasy I was feeling would change. It was like my physico-energetic self became

jack> this wonderful musical instrument and by changing my position I was somehow

jack> changing the tuning... this phenomenon of changing of physical position while in

jack> the ecstacy gives me a powerful new understanding of the Tantric "mudras" which

jack> are meditative poses or positions, as detailed in some of the temple carvings in India and in

jack> Tantric art. Does that notion of changing the tuning have any resonance for you?

R.D.> Yes! altho I'm not too well versed in tantra

R.D.> I think the ability to

R.D.> create our ongoing ecstacy

R.D.> is such a beautiful gift! of MMO.

jack> That's great! I wonder if

jack> you'd be willing to describe in even a little more detail the physical characteristics

jack> of the actual orgasms. It seems that some of the people working with this are having

jack> a little trouble being able to tell when they actually start having orgasms... I'm wondering

jack> in particular what _other_ __automatic__ physical events started happening, in addition to the "contractions" you

jack> described, and would you also be willing to describe those "contractions" in a little more

jack> detail so our readers will be able to get a clearer idea?

R.D.> Boy! I've been doing them so long

R.D.> that I've gotten away from being in touch with

R.D.> the actual physical process. It's like

R.D.> trying to teach a "time step" after

R.D.> you've been doing it for ten years.

R.D.> But I'll try to get back in touch.

jack> What's a time step?

R.D.> Only a tap dancer

R.D.> would know.

jack> ah ok, thanks... pls continue!

R.D.> Well, first I remember

R.D.> the breathing:

R.D.> The breathing would get to

R.D.> a point of excitement where it

R.D.> would start to rise into my chest

R.D.> like with an ejac orgasm

R.D.> and that's the spot I would pass up

R.D.> at first, before I "got it'

R.D.> That's the spot where I finally began with the valley breathing and

R.D.> key sounding.

jack> What do you mean you would "pass up the spot"?

R.D.> The sensation was like too "thrilling" or ecstatic

R.D.> and I couldn't stand it

R.D.> so I would usually go on to an ejac orgasm.

jack> I think this is SO typical!!! But that's why our discussion today is so important, because

jack> that "spot" you are talking about is the Turning Point!!! THAT'S where we tend to

jack> "rush right past the Gate" as I say in the Audio Seminar! Time and again I hear men say,

jack> "I just couldn't take it (i.e. the increasing buildup of pleasure) any more, so I just

jack> had to go for it (i.e. ejaculation)!" So this really is THE crucial moment when

jack> you reach that "spot" or zone where you feel you "can't take it"... SO...

jack> what did you do INSTEAD OF "going for" ejaculation?

R.D.> YES! After finally realizing

R.D.> that this was the spot, the time

R.D.> that you were talking about

R.D.> on the tape, I forced myself to

R.D.> stay with the minimal massage and do the valley breathing

R.D.> and sounding

R.D.> and it HAPPENNNNNNED!

R.D.> I passed thru the gate and

R.D.> had my first non-ejac org.!!!

jack> So...

jack> you reached that point or zone where you really

jack> felt the energy building WAY up, and you forced yourself NOT to "go for" ejaculation, but

jack> instead you stayed with just a LITTLE erotic stimulation, and using the Key Sound, and

jack> then..."it" happened! What was "it" like physically?

jack> RE: automatic things happening in your body, any loss of consciousness, etc.?

R.D.> I seemed to pass UP onto this

R.D.> Jesus! it's so hard to exlpain!

R.D.> It sounds so corny!

R.D.> But it was this like perfect place

R.D.> where my body felt like cloud and smoothness

R.D.> and so HAPPY.

R.D.> But still electrified in a sense,

R.D.> the buzzz was still on

R.D.> and it went on until

R.D.> my mind fell out of it

R.D.> by thinking, "this must be what Jack's talking about!"

R.D.> I was in such a total happy place, tearsand all/

jack> Whew what a story!

jack> Was there any sense of having to hold back the ejaculation when you exp'd the nonejac orgasm?

R.D.> No! I was massaging my abdomen when it happened! i

R.D.> I didn't even have a hrd on!

jack> That's a pretty dramatic report!!! I'm intrigued by that abdomen massage because

jack> I have found myself doing that as part of the practice as well. That circular motion

jack> on the tummy seems to be real soothing and also seems to help spread the energy throughout the rest of me...

jack> Did you notice any other automatic physical stuff in addition to "contractions"? And...

jack> could you pls describe the contractions a little more? What parts of you were contracting?

R.D.> God! I wish I new more of the names of my body parts!

jack> What're they connected to?

jack> :-)

R.D.> From my shoulders, my chest and stomach

R.D.> my abdomen, my thighs

jack> so you were more or less curving INward, sort of like a fetal position?

R.D.> No, it's more like i was "lit up" or

R.D.> wired in these areas, and not

R.D.> like they were spasming or s

R.D.> real tensed up

jack> I'm a little unclear what you mean by contraction, then... what you're describing now

jack> seems more like an energizing of these certain areas...

R.D.> Well, maybe you're closer

jack> Was there nevertheless some body movement that was not conscious on your part, just

R.D.> with energizing but there is a definite strong sense of electric activity or something in these

jack> movements that your body seemed to "want to" make?

R.D.> I'm having a hard time remembering back to the first time.

R.D.> Now, it seems so fluid and full of energy flowing

jack> No prob, just in general then, did the orgasm feel mostly like waves of pleasure with no

jack> automatic body movements, breathing, etc. or was there some kind of clearer "pulse"

jack> that made you suddenly move in a certain way?

R.D.> The first was just one long ongoing "pulse", no waves, and

R.D.> went on and on about 30 seconds.

R.D.> After choosing to force thru the "spot"

R.D.> and go with the valley breathing,sounding

R.D.> the path seemed to go easier and away from the intolerable "tickle" of the ecstacy

jack> by "tickle" do you mean the urge to ejaculate?

R.D.> and into being at ease in it. flowing with it.

R.D.> Yeah, I think that

R.D.> is what it must be.

jack> When I experience these nonejac orgasms, as the waves move through me,

jack> I will automatically tend to do an exhale with that Key Sound as I demonstrate in the 2nd audio seminar. Something like that... when this happens, my

R.D.> When I heard later that most men can't let themselves experience ecstatic states,

jack> lower belly does a "crunch" where the upper part is squeezed in and pushing downward, the lower part is "pooching" out... also I feel a big surge throughout my loins and

jack> often my genitals will swell, like a surge of energy and blood flow is rushing into them. Also,

jack> as the waves move through, I will often notice that my eyes lose focus, they may cross

jack> or roll back in my head as the pleasure rush is at its peak... I've also noticed that

jack> sometimes as the pleasure is very intense, I notice that I grind my front teeth slightly... ovr

R.D.> I have done most of my MMOs with my partner lately, and

R.D.> I 'm usually above her with my limp penis in her mouth.

R.D.> This used to be a very embarrassing position

R.D.> for me and I assumed

R.D.> the same for her. But

R.D.> that is not true anymore.

R.D.> Now, when we pass into multis and I look down at her

R.D.> there is such a sense of love and oneness

R.D.> with here that the ecstacy is so much

R.D.> more intense and full.

R.D.> And still, after all this time, I still almost always

R.D.> end up falling into her arms in happy tears.

R.D.> The healing goes on. ovr

jack> That's a very powerful story!

jack> I'd really like to hear more about what it was like when you first introduced your partner to MMO...

R.D.> It just occurred to me

R.D.> that I want to do some more

R.D.> MMOs by mySELF again.

R.D.> To get in touch with the physical happenings again.

jack> I think that's a good idea!

jack> I realize not everybody will be comfortable with this idea, but I personally

jack> believe it's ESSENTIAL for me to continue to explore an ever-deepening, and more

jack> erotic relationship with mySELF; it's at least as important as continuing that ever-deepening

jack> quest for truth, love, and eros with a partner! In fact, if I'm not continuing an intimate

jack> relationship with myself, I feel that limits what I have to share with another! So... I

jack> really support your claiming some time to just get with R.D.!

jack> ovr

jack> I know we're running out of time for this session, but I wonder if you _could_

jack> share maybe just a little about how learning Male Multiple Orgasm affected your attitudes toward your own sexuality and towards women, and what is was like when you introduced your partner to MMO

jack> all of this in ten words or less! :-)

jack> (jest kiddin!)

jack> ACTION passing a GIANT Talking Stick to R.D.

R.D.> Well, before you brought Male Multiple Orgasm to our men's group

R.D.> I figured my sex life was almost over.

R.D.> I rarely could muster a hard-on

R.D.> and this was just in masturbation!

R.D.> I was afraid to be with a woman

R.D.> because I might not be able to "perform"

R.D.> But when I began doing MMOs

R.D.> it helped my self esteem immensely!

R.D.> As for women,

R.D.> I guess I had a chip on my shoulder

R.D.> because I thot they all

R.D.> wanted a macho man

R.D.> and I sure didn't fit the bill.

R.D.> But when my selfEsteem

R.D.> improved, so did my attitude

R.D.> toward women. And Men!

R.D.> I had got to a place where I didn't think much of

R.D.> men and there motives either.

R.D.> Well, the men's group and MMO

R.D.> changed a lot of things.

R.D.> Suddenly, sex was so much more

R.D.> than just hard-ons, ejaculations and performance anxiety!

R.D.> This was a whole new world, a "brave new world"

R.D.> and we men were like pioneers

R.D.> in search of our deeper, truer more perfect selves.

R.D.> I think my healthier attitude

R.D.> led me to a woman who

R.D.> could understand and be open to this new world.

jack> Then what happened?

R.D.> Actually, my partner is a very accomplished

jack> How did you introduce her to MMO?

R.D.> sex partner. She already had some Tantric

R.D.> knowledge.

R.D.> So she was open to this ideas and techniques.

R.D.> We began very gently with a specific

R.D.> time just for experimenting with MMO

jack> That's great! I think it's essential in the early

jack> stages to separate the experimenting, the getting to know each other in this way, from

jack> "usual" lovemaking where there may be greater urgency and performance anxiety. Good one!

R.D.> Yeah, and we have progressed to the point of helping me achieve them.

jack> Whew!!!! What a story!!!!

R.D.> I am looking forward to our both passing the energy back and forth!

jack> Have you guys practiced sending the Key Sound to each other at low volume with no erotic stimulation?

R.D.> No. She seems hesitant and I don't want to push it right now because of all

R.D.> the job-related stress in her life.

jack> I grok! I really support your sensitivity in NOT PUSHING!

jack> What surprises a lot of people is

jack> that the practice of the Key Sound at low volume can be SURPRISINGLY powerful

jack> and can bring up emotional "stuff". When practicing solo, especially with a mirror, this

jack> can be some of the most challenging parts of this practice! And practicing face to face,

jack> with eye contact, opening your hearts to each other, that can be WAY intense with a partner... there are ways

jack> in which it can be more intense and more _challenging_ than "just" "having intercourse"!

jack> My hope for you two is that

jack> you'll be able to get away from all of the commotion for a weekend or something, and that you

jack> can make the soft practice part of that time... AND I continue to support your NOT doing so until she really feels ok about it to. That's a Prime Directive for all of this

jack> and for any intimacy: informed, MUTUAL, consent... all three of those words are ESSENTIAL... Whew you have not only opened the Gates to MMO, R.D., it seems like

jack> you've opened the Gates to a very powerful intimate relationship that may continue to reveal many powerful truths to both of you! Congratulations!!!

R.D.> I know the right time will arrive for us to realize this awesome additional by-product of MMO. Thank you, Jack

jack> You bet!!! And thank you for sharing so much of your story! I look forward to the next

jack> time you'll be able to join us for chat!!!

R.D.> I look forward to it too!

jack> ACTION huggin R.D.

R.D.> GoodSpeed the Good Ship MMO! See ya next time, Jack!

jack> Ok Buddy, thanks again. Bye for now!!!
jack> ACTION Hangin a sign on the door saying "Back at 6pm Pacific Daylight (Oregon USA) Time."