• beldamon, jd, drew, stoki, Hlaser, and smileboy join Jack for a discussion of Echo Effects, how to make the Key sound correctly, and spreading the word about the KSMO protocol
• newbie beldamon has had one pracice session and reports Echo Effects during sleep afterward. Jack notes that this underscores the way awakening happens most often, i.e. after rather than during practice sessions.
• stoki questions how to exhale with the Key Sound and expand the belly at the same time. Jack replies that the important thing is making the Key Sound correctly and that if this is done, the belly movement will follow naturally. He goes on the emphasize that the practice is about ALLOWING rather than forcing things to happen.
• A discussion follows on the proper way of making the Key Sound during which Jack says that the Echo Effects should be the primary guide to doing it correctly.
• Drew discusses how he uses the Echo Effects as a guide in practice and reports continuing improvement even after nine years of practice.
• smileboy reports some Echo Effects but some tension rising as well. Jack suggests using the Key Sound to release the pent up energy.
• The group discusses how to spread the word about the benefits of the KSMO practice.

Session Start: Sat May 26 08:49:34 2007
Jack> Hey jd, Welcome!
Jack> Where (generally) are you typing from?
Jack> stoki from Slovenia was in earlier and said he was planning to return in a little while.
Jack> Welcome beldamon!
beldamon> Hey there yourself, Jack. How's it going?
jd> Hey, sorry, wasn't paying attention. How long does one of these chats generally last? I'm a bit busy and can't type right now.
Jack> Pretty good!
Jack> jd welcome back! They last as long as people have questions or things to share. Usually at least an hour, the record is over six!
Jack> Also I want to ask you both - jd_ and beldamon... r u using the same name here as you do to login to the Forum?
beldamon> I am, indeed.
Jack> That's very important for the sake of continuity. So others may track what you've asked or shared here and connect it to posts you may have made.
Jack> Thanks bel, where r u typing from?
Jack> beldamon, where r u typing from? (city or country - just so we have a general idea).
jd> No forum posts as of yet. Also, to answer your question I'm from Europe.
beldamon> I am typing from Ottawa Canada.
Jack> bel, thanks! I'm typing from Sidney BC - hey neighbor!
Jack> jd_ it's ok if you haven't made any forum posts yet, but I'm just asking that whatever name you use here matches your forum login name so that when you do post over there, people will be able to tell it's the same person.
jd> Duly noted.
Jack> 10-Q!
Jack> So our readers may get to know you a little better, what are your respective ages, marital status, what motivated you to learn the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol, etc.
Jack> Also we have a Universal Compact here that you are *never* obliged to answer any question that you'd rather not answer.
beldamon> Cool stuff. I don't know how busy this chat will be...I can't say I have many burning questions right now. Still assimilating. And my standard MO is to observe for a while when I'm just getting into something.
beldamon> Well, I can do that certainly.
beldamon> I'm Male, 35, single.
Jack> That's fine, bel!
Jack> Thanks re: stats.
Jack> Have you had a chance to do a 20 min. practice session yet?
Jack> And have you had a chance to read thru the pdf document?
Jack> The one called The Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Summary Update.
beldamon> I became interested in this...well, I guess in part is that I've always had a fairly low sex drive... have been looking for ways to A) enhance it, and B) Maximize the use of what I do have.
Jack> Great! Have you ever had your testosterone level checked?
beldamon> I've done one, so not much to report on...I didn't notice any immediate echoes, but I believe I did recieve some in my sleep...
beldamon> No, actually I haven't thought of that...I have an aversion to doctors...lol.
beldamon> And yes, I've read the .pdf as well.
Jack> Ok... I can understand about the aversion. I think it's important to shop around though and find one you like. Not necessarily to run to for every little thing,
Jack> but somebody who's willing to write you an order for a lab test to see if your testosterone levels are within normal range. Information is power! :-)
stoki> hi all
Jack> You might also research herbal / natural alternatives.
Jack> Welcome back stoki from Slovenia!
beldamon> That is true.
Jack> beldamon is a newbie, age 35 single, from Ottawa Canada. Not sure yet where jd is typing from yet. :-)
Jack> Glad you made it stoki!
Jack> beldamon was just sharing that he's had one practice session so far, and that although he didn't notice any
Jack> Echo Effects during the practice, he DID experience some during sleep!
stoki> that's cool
beldamon> Yup...and that was at least a couple hours...not really subtle either. 3 or 4 sharp (but pleasant jolts) that started from the tip of my penis and went through my body...the first was part of my dream, but I woke up during the others.
Jack> VERY COOL!
beldamon> That was my thought...lol.
Jack> That first experience UNDERSCORES the way this AWAKENING happens MOST OFTEN... that is, not DURING the practice sessions, but AFTERWARDS... as we say: Often when you are not expecting anything.
Jack> Cool!
Jack> That's a great start, bel... keep in mind also
Jack> that often the way this awakening sequence works is that may get some Echoes, faint, or... as in your situation, quite a bit stronger, and then
Jack> the Echo Effects may taper back off for a little while ( called: regression to the mean ), then again when you least expect it, they come back a little stronger.
Jack> I mention that because a lot of guys expect that once they feel they Echoes they get stronger and stronger in a linear fashion and get worried when they don't.
Jack> So watch for that cyclical pattern. It's NATURAL! :-)
beldamon> Yes, that was the impression I got from what I've read so far.
beldamon>
Jack> That's great bel... sounds like you've been studyin' up pretty well! :-)
Jack> I look forward to your keeping us posted in the Forum and back here in the chats as your Adventure continues! Are there any questions you'd like to ask of me or the others?
beldamon> Oh yes...when I get into something, I really get into it. Ironically, I thought I'd have a hard time keeping practice down to every other day, but it's been a little over a week since that first practice, and I was thinking I wanted to one again soon.
Jack> bel, I really like that you're relaxing and following your inner promptings about that.
stoki> I also have a question
stoki> how can you exhale with the KS and expand your belly at the same time
Jack> Don't worry about it!
stoki> I know it's supposed to be natural
Jack> When you make the Key Sound correctly, it is!
stoki> your belly expands as you exhale?
Jack> The important thing is to make the Key Sound correctly. The muscles will then take care of themselves.
Jack> It may tend to, but don't worry about whether it is or not, because that becomes a distraction! That is something
Jack> I learned in the early days of teaching this. That when I mentioned
Jack> how the belly moved - it was just something I happened to notice once I discovered the Key Sound and how it DID provide
Jack> a way to pump arousal without using the stimulation that leads to triggering the ejaculation reflex.
Jack> That's why I believe I removed the belly movement stuff out of the pdf -
Jack> The belly movement issue is in the Oh By the Way category.
stoki> just something you notice
Jack> Some folks really wound up in knots trying to CONSCIOUSLY get
Jack> the belly to do this or that.
Jack> Use the Sound Luke! :-)
stoki> so the main focus in on the articulation of the KS
Jack> EXACTLY! :-)
Jack> That and RELAXING,
Jack> and letting go of that traditional urge we've all had to GO FOR IT - i.e. to use more STIMULATION to try to
Jack> MAKE the orgasms happen. That doesn't work.
Jack> That's why Andi from Wales came up with her beautiful example of learning to let the fawn come eat out of your hand, rather than chasing after it.
Jack> fawn = timid baby deer - i.e., Andi used it as an analogy for how quiet and relaxed you need to be
beldamon> When I did my first session, I pretty much followed the 20 minute recording, and did my best to match the sound to that... and as for relaxing, that's interesting...I noticed I slept really well that night.
Jack> to ALLOW the Echoes to appear.
Jack> PRECISELY, beldamon - WELL DONE!
Jack> And then what happened? YOU GOT ECHO EFFECTS!
Jack> stoki, do you have any questions about your articulation of the Key Sound?
stoki> yes but I'm not sure how to ask
stoki> what is the most important thing
stoki> you have to get the HAA-AA right?
stoki> and not force it
Jack> It's NOT HAAA... to protect my copyright I ask that you not try to type what the sound ACTUALLY is but just refer to it here, but it is NOT a HAA sound.
Jack> So that's already some fine tuning.
Jack> Welcome back Hlaser!!!
Hlaser> Hey!
Jack> We're talking about the correct articulation of the Key Sound.
Hlaser> I see..
Jack> stoki, if you are doing HAA that is a lot of tension in your throat.
Jack> The actual Key Sound I discovered is deep and husky, kind of like a sigh. Very relaxed. NOT forced.
Jack> Here's a way to tune in to the difference:
jd> question: Is it possible to get the Key Sound wrong but still get echo effects immediately following it?
Jack> Using whichever hand you are not using for the single touch or caress during a practice session, rest that other hand on your chest.
Jack> jd: it may be but they'll get a lot stronger, the more accurately you articulate the Key Sound. That's a cornerstone of the breakthrough:
jd> Aha, just wanted to know if getting echo effects = proper articulation, or there are still degrees of improvement.
Jack> The Key Sound gives us a very powerful ALTERNATIVE to using STIMULATION to build AROUSAL to multiorgasmic intensity. That is why when you're all dialed in,
Jack> you're getting great Echo Effects - eventually of multiorgasmic intensity - and there is usually NO sense AT ALL of any impending ejaculation, or feelings that you need to
Jack> tighten up or anything to try to block ejaculation. THAT is the KEY difference between this method and everything else out there that I'm aware of.
Jack> Ok... gimme a moment to finish the thought here about what to do with that non-stimulation hand.
Jack> Please hold your questions for just a moment (HI DREW!!!) so I can get this little tip articulated.
Jack> Ok, stoki... when you're in a practice session, like I was saying, for a little while just rest your non-stimulating hand on your chest for a little bit...
Jack> then do a HAAA sound...
Jack> NOTICE that there is not much vibration in your chest -
Jack> the energy is pretty much all up in your throat area, and you're throat is probably fairly tight or tense in order to make that HAA sound...
Jack> NOW with that hand still on your chest, imitate the Key Sound as accurately as you can just as I demonstrate it in the two audio seminars...
Jack> When you start to become more accurate with it, you will notice more VIBRATION in your CHEST area...
Jack> THAT is a KEY CLUE to the KEY SOUND if you will...
Jack> That Key Sound is actually pretty much the deepest sound the human voice can make! So
Jack> it actually starts vibrating your chest area, and as you RELAX MORE as your practice continues at a slow, easy pace...
Jack> that VIBRATION will start reaching further andc further down your body...
Jack> As it does so, to me, it feels like the ORGASMIC ENERGY GATES begin opening MORE AND MORE.
Jack> I'd like to hear Drew's and Hlaser's comments about this issue as well, since they both have so much experience.
Jack> How about it guys?
jd> About my question, I was only wondering whether it's possible to do the KS almost-right, get echo effects, and from that conclude that you're doing it right, when in fact there was still some degree of improvement to be had.
Jack> ABSOLUTELY!
Jack> Here's how you will know the answer to that question:
Jack> The ECHO EFFECTS are your PRIMARY GUIDE...
Jack> IF you are starting to feel Echo Effects, then you are definitely on track!
Hlaser> That's my guide...
Jack> Thanks Hlaser, in just a moment I'd like you to elaborate on that a little. jd_: Also there is often a visceral knowing when the Key Sound is articulated more accurately - you get
Jack> or may often get a feeling of: Ah, THAT's more like it!
Jack> Your body seems to RECOGNIZE the RIGHTNESS of it.
jd> My most common reaction to key sounds are contractions of the abdominal muscles.
Jack> PLUS that little hand on the chest practice can also be helpful. I'm not saying you must leave your hand on your chest all the time, just a little now and then to help verify what's going on.
Jack> AUTOMATIC contractions?
jd> I've noticed they vary in intensity with whether the penis is erect or not.
jd> Yeah, automatic.
jd> Plus a subtle feeling of pleasure/arousal.
jd> Which I'm not sure is correlated with the abs thing.
Jack> Those are INDEED Echo Effects! Their VERY PRESENCE CONFIRMS that you are getting into the right zone.
Jack> Also erections may come and go in cycles, just like the intensity of the Echoes may fluctuate as I mentioned earlier.
Jack> Hlaser, would you please elaborate a bit on how the Echo Effects act as your guide?
Hlaser> sure...
Hlaser> I find that: if you get the vibrations right, you can kind of tune them to the frequency of teh lower abdomen...where it resonates...
Jack> And maybe intro yourself to the newbies a little bit re: age, etc., how long practicing, what your experience has been?
jd> To answer that question myself, I'm 23, male, single, and I've been practicing for maybe a couple of months.
Hlaser> Oh, Hlaser from Central Florida...
Hlaser> 58 Y.O.
Hlaser> Male
Jack> [Thanks JD]
Jack> pls continue, Hlaser. :-)
Hlaser> Started in Aneros practice and added teh KSMO after that...
Hlaser> Any way...
Hlaser> Once my abdomen resonates, this causes involuntaries...which are the precursers to Orgasms...
Jack> What do you mean by involuntaries?
Hlaser> Involuntary contractions...
Jack> Thanks! Yes involuntary or spontaneous contractions DEFINITELY count as Echo Effects! :-) They are not the only kind of course but the fact
Hlaser> Also, I never get an erection during a session ...
Jack> that they occur SPONTANEOUSLY during the practice puts them in that Echo Effects category.
Jack> Very important point!
Jack> At first this may tend to startle or concern people.
Hlaser> or an Aneros session...
Jack> I wondered about it myself when I first noticed it.
Jack> I think it's because the AROUSAL is DIFFUSING but NOT dissipating - just spreading THROUGHOUT your whole body as you WHOLE BODY charges up!
jd> Something I've noticed in my practice is that if the penis is erect, I won't feel a lot in the rest of my body.
Hlaser> Younger Guys seem to go in and out of erection, I have read...
jd> I guess this is pretty much consistent with erections in general (I usually feel cold or pain to a much lesser degree during erections).
jd> My abs contractions are a lot greater during those periods though.
Jack> Very good point re: erect penis may mean less sensation elsewhere jd! That too may change as your practice continues to evolve.
jd> By contrast, if my penis is offline, I get only mild abs contractions, but I can also feel more pleasure throughout the rest of my body.
Hlaser> Maybe your penis is acting as a fishing pole?
Jack> LOL!
Hlaser> Fishing for Echoes....
Jack> jd it's very cool that you don't seem to be concerned about your penis not being erect during the practice...
Hlaser> or a lightening rod?
Jack> Yes, that is very common
Jack> .
jd> I personally use nipples for stimulation before Key Sounds.
Hlaser> Me too!
Hlaser> Touching penis seems to be counter productive...
Jack> Thanks Hlaser and jd! I also encourage you over time to explore other areas as well.... earlobes whatever... our ENTIRE body is wired for this!
beldamon> Now that's interesting...I haven't started using stimulation, but it occurred to me that I would probably start with my nipples...
Hlaser> I had to train mine...
Jack> Yes bel, by stimulation we mean just a SINGLE touch or caress for each cycle of touch, Key Sound, relaxing breaths.
beldamon> Yup.
Jack> Also the perineum area can be a very responsive zone that is not direct stimulation of the penis.
Hlaser> Amen to that!
jd> Another thing I've noticed (and read on the forum as well) is that focusing on the effects makes them increase.
Jack> Pls say a little more about that, hlaser, if you will.
Hlaser> what?
Hlaser> Perineum?
jd> My pleasure response is still inconsistent and I was wondering if there is a progression of pleasure throughout the body (ie. should I be paying attention to a particular area at first?)
Jack> jd: yes it may although there's some balance there - you want to avoid slipping into the focus drifting into trying to MAKE the Echo Effects happen. That's a trap... or as Andi says: "That's chasing the fawn away!"
Jack> Yes, pls Hlaser... perineum.
Jack> Thanks!
jd> Jack: I knew you were going to say that.
Jack> great! :-)
Hlaser> How much do you want to know?
Hlaser> Aneros related, for me...
Hlaser> hello.
Jack> I saw the ellipsis, thought you were ready to say a little more about how the perineum caress is effective for you.
Hlaser> OK, in my Aneros practice, I discovered the perineum...
Hlaser> This device is inserted in the anus and a P-tab presses against the perineum...
Hlaser> Together, if done correctly can produce a neural loup and what they call a Super O...
Hlaser> A chain of dry orgasms!
Hlaser> Basically!
Hlaser> ok?
Hlaser> Also
Hlaser> the perineum is a collection point for nerves from most all sexual organs in the vacinity!!!
Jack> [ For more info about aneros go to: http://www.multiples.com/a/index.php/aneros ]
Hlaser> If rubbed some can actually orgasm form just that...
Hlaser> the perineum
Jack> Yes, and in my experience the Aneros, though a lot of fun, is not necessary for this to occur.
Hlaser> I refer Aneros members to KSMO regularly and explain what it is...
Hlaser> Right!
Jack> Much appreciate, hlaser! Pls send me an email about that as I want to make sure you get an affiliate link to my site if you don't have one.
Hlaser> It is but one wqay to achieve MMOs...
Hlaser> once re-wired ALL sorts of wonderful things start happening!
Jack> Yes I agree. That's what I mean by learning to AWAKEN the response!
Jack> FYI link to my affiliate program: https://www.multiples.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/signup.cgi
Jack> Welcome back smileboy!
Hlaser> thanks.
Jack> jd: the progression of pleasure is different for everyone. There is no single linear sequence. Everyone awakens to this energy a little differently.
smileboy> HI all just finished wrestling with getting in
Hlaser> The awakening!
Jack> Sorry about the hassle re getting in to the chat smileboy,
Jack> stoki taught us a really easy way today so I'm going to update the procedure for getting in.
smileboy> thanks --- no probs
Jack> Let's everybody take a deep relaxing breath and pause for a moment, see if Drew will also comment
Jack> re: how he uses the Echo Effects as his guide.
Jack> Are you there, Drew? or afk in logging mode? :-)
Drew> I'm here... Mostly the latter though.
Jack> I understand.
jd> I've noticed I usually start getting good feelings around the bottom of my spine.
jd> When I focus on them they sometimes extend upwards throughout my spine and back.
Jack> Drew: Would you pls share how you use the Echo Effects as your guide in practice?
jd> That's why I was wondering if there are any other such spots/methods of focusing on the effects to increase them.
Jack> jd VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE:
Jack> It's NOT the SPOTS
Jack> that increase the Echo Effects! That's a stimulation based model - and
Jack> of course that's what we've all been used to - what increases the Echo Effects
Jack> is RELAXATION plus a single touch or caress of ANY area of your body that feels nice - an earlobe, the tip of your nose, whereEVER,
Jack> and the KEY SOUND is the AMPLIFIER. Ok, please let's pass the Talking Stick to Drew so pls hold your comments and questions
Jack> for a little bit so we may benefit from Drew's many many years' of experience with this. Thanks!
Drew> What's the question, please?
Jack> How have you used the Echo Effects as your guide as you learned to open and further enjoy this practice?
Drew> Well, I can answer that in at least two ways...
Drew> First, now that the energetic channels of my body are open (after much practice)
Drew> after a few key sounds, I get stoked with energy and away I go!
Drew> Back in the early days of practice, things were a little different.
Drew> I wasn't as 'open'... Physically, mentally, emotionally, energetically... Perhaps even spiritually.
Drew> Also, there was some 'unlearning' to do.
Drew> Making a distinction between stimulation and arousal
Drew> learning to relax and take my time
Drew> In the early stages, I didn't really experience 'echo effects' per se
Drew> initially, I had to learn to relax and 'be' with myself
Drew> also let-go of the need to push for results
Drew> eventually, I started to notice some things
Drew> typically 'tingling' in the area of my scrotum
Drew> It was a very pleasant sensation and it gave me encouragement to continue
Drew> up until that point I'd been riding on faith, in the sense that I intuitively felt the 'rightness' of Jack's teachings
Drew> for me
Drew> I was then able to use the tingling as a guide
Drew> to let me know I was on-track
Drew> I would typically (and still do) use long, light caressing strokes with the tips of my fingers over my entire body
Drew> this serves to build and help the energy to circulate around my body
Drew> I also engaged (in the early days) the power of my imagination
Drew> I imagined the good sensations I was feeling spreading to other part of my body
Drew> AMPLIFYING too!
Drew> This was really effective for me... And still is (although I don't need to consciously do it as much)
Drew> Does that answer the question, Jack? Does anyone have something more specific I can address?
Hlaser> Amazingly familiar!
Jack> It certainly answers my request, Drew. Thanks very much - and by all means guys, please ask Drew any questions you may have - he'd
Jack> he's got about - what? NINE YEARS' of experience with this practice?
Hlaser> A Guru!
Jack> Other than me, he's got the most experience in the practice of any living person on the Planet!
Drew> Lost count, Jack!
Jack> I hear ya! :-)
Drew> Wow!
Drew> I will also say this...
Drew> It keeps getting better and BETTER!
Hlaser> Still?
Drew> Yes!
Jack> That's what I mean when I say the Echo Effects are FRACTAL!
Hlaser> Don't you wish you started at age 12?
Jack> Doors beyond doors beyond doors...
smileboy> Drew sorry - I'm coming in out of context - ( and my connection keeps dropping out)
Drew> It's more of a function of 'me' getting out of the way!
smileboy> but can you talk about the transition from tingling feeelings to your full MMO
Jack> Good question, mate, thanks!
Drew> I think I just answered that (Psychically ahead of the question)...
Drew> "t's more of a function of 'me' getting out of the way!"
Drew> Becoming comfortable with high levels of energy/arousal
Hlaser> No conscious efforts?
Drew> and perhaps, channeling that arousal into the key sound
Jack> Yes! I agree with that Drew!
Jack> And channeling the Key Sound into the arousal.
Drew> Letting go of being self-conscious about the 'noise' I was making
Drew> (moving from an apartment into a house helped that one, too!)
jd> You mentioned that you've become a lot more open as you continued with this practice.
jd> I'm wondering which caused the other.
jd> Did KSMO cause you to become more open, or did becoming more open cause better results with KSMO?
Jack> [ good question jd !]
Drew> Yes, JD... Exactly! ;-)
Jack> :-)
Hlaser> chicken or egg?
smileboy_> eggsactly....
jd>
Jack> lol
beldamon> lol
Drew> ECSTACYLY!
Jack> omg Drew!
Jack> Very well said!
Jack> Does anyone have any other questions for Guru Drew?
Drew> I thought inventing new English words was an "American' thing... Now I'm doing it! :O
Jack> I find it liberating!
Hlaser> Where are you hailing from?
Drew> LOL
Drew> (I'm from England, living in Michigan)
Hlaser> YOur a Yank now!
beldamon> No questions, but I do want to thank him for telling his story. It's very inspiring (not that I wasn't already inspired!)
Drew> Getting close
Drew> Thank You, Beldamon!
Jack> Thanks beldamon. I'm glad this is helpful and motivating for you!
beldamon> Yes, I'm quite glad I joined this chat, thanks.
Jack> You are *very* welcome!
Hlaser> thanks Drew...very interesting!
Drew> YW... It's tough to articulate these experiences with mere words.
Jack> Yes and it's worth the effort. That's also why
Hlaser> Hence our new language...
Jack> [vgp, hlaser!] I encourage people to express this experience using means other
Hlaser> KSMO eeze!
Jack> than words as well... get some art supplies and just carry on - EXPRESS YOURSELF. Don't try to make a photograph of something necessarily, just move color on paper as you focus on how this KSMO experience is impacting you.
Jack> Likewise for musical instruments. Don't buy the b.s. about "yes but i'm not an artist, not a musician..." music and other art forms are processes that are available to all. The
Jack> goal is not the product, it's the PROCESS. :-)
Jack> Ok!!! Who else has a question or something they'd like to share?
Hlaser> Drew, can you tell when you are advancing to a higher plain?
Hlaser> Or just realize you are somewhere different and better?
Drew> I believe it's the synergy of a few things.
Drew> I'm making great strides in the 'openness' to LIFE in my continued therapy/coaching sessions.
Drew> and I'm also invigorated by a new kind of work-out program I'm doing.
Drew> I mentioned the working-out during the last chat... It's definitely a positive factor.
Hlaser> Any warning signs, just before you ascend? My only precursor is a dry spell just before I rise to a new level...
Jack> Drew: Thanks for re-emphasizing the tremendous value of effective counseling, as well as physical activity for enhancing our emotional and physical body's ability to channel more of this KSMO inner-ji.
Drew> I suppose, in a nutshell, I'm taking better care of myself!
Hlaser> Mental/physical=spiritual...
Hlaser> Hip-Hip!
beldamon>
jd> Methinks I'm going to start working on my openness some more.
Jack> Excellent commitment, jd!
jd> I already consider myself very open and that's probably a silly thing to do (seeing as there is probably no limit to how open you can be).
Jack> jd: I invite you to frame it - rather than as something to "work" on... instead as something you are ALLOWING yourself to be a little more at a time. :-)
Hlaser> Isn't some degree of closedness needed for self=preservation these days?
Jack> jd: For me anyway, when I think x is something I need to work on, I notice myself tensing up... When I think of ALLOWING myself to do or be something a little more, I notice myself relaxing and breathing a little more deeply.
jd> Just to clarify -- since my phrasing wasn't clear enough -- I meant the thinking I was already "very" open was silly, not the trying to work on it.
Jack> I think that helps set the stage. :-) Just a suggestion. :-)
jd> Jack: Good point.
Jack> vgp hlaser - as in all things, there's an ever-changing dynamic balance.
Drew> I have a comment on that...
Jack> It's nice to ahem allow that boundary / balance to become more flexible, imho.
Jack> Yes pls Drew!
Drew> Re: Open/Closed
jd> I used to be rather closed up until maybe a year or so ago when I decided life wasn't meant to be lived as an island.
Drew> Closed to what?
jd> I've decided the risks in being open are worth it and can be intelligently managed.
Drew> Life is meant to be FELT!
Drew> You can't be selective!
Jack> [ I read hlaser's point as a boundary issue... ]
Drew> You can only feel life's 'highs' to the degree you are willing to feel the lows
Jack> Note he said feel the lows, not dwell upon or wallow in.
Jack> :-)
Drew> Life is a rollercoaster ride... Most people attempt to live along a flat line.
Hlaser> Opening to a lover or friend is good, but teh world is very perverted in allot of places...
jd> Exactly what Drew said.
jd> I've also decided to stop suppressing my emotions just because some of them are unpleasant.
Jack> Drew: And we know what "flat line" means!
Drew> And when you feel your feelings, you will KNOW that!
jd> I'd rather work on reaching more of the highs.
Jack> jd... please consider letting go of "working on" and getting into ALLOWING... especially with KSMO practice.
Jack> Voice of experience here. :-)
Hlaser> Highs without drugs... a beautiful concept!
Drew> High on LIFE?
Hlaser> What I crave...
Jack> [ jd the difference between working on something and allowing it, imho, is non-trivial! VERY especially re: KSMO practice!!! ]
jd> Jack: Force of habit. I don't think I have negative associations with "work".
Jack> Then you shouldn't be too attached to changing it, eh? ;-)
jd> I use the word all the time, especially as "working on myself", or working on a new skill I'm learning.
Jack> Yes I understand.
Jack> I'm just offering you my expertise in this regard. It's up to you.
jd> I completely understand how "work" can have negative connotations to most people though. :P
Jack> As an experiment in cognition and emotion.
Jack> It's not a criticism. I'm just inviting you to do an experiment in consciousness that involves framing a pattern of action using a different COGNITIVE FRAME just to find out what you might discover.
jd> Not to worry. I don't refer to KSMO as "work". It's more of an experiment in allowing pleasure, kind of the way you framed it.
Jack> That is to explore letting go of your attachment, vis a vis KSMO, as something to work on, and adopting a cognitive frame - as an experiment - to adopt a cognitive frame of learning to ALLOW.
Jack> my two farthings. :-)
beldamon> Well I need to head out, but I want to think everyone for an interesting chat.
jd> This does remind me of something else though.
Hlaser> bye beldamon!
Drew> Bye Beldamon!
Jack> Bye bel thanks very much for being here today!
Jack> See you in the Forum!
beldamon> Thanks...ciao for now!
jd> I don't have negative mental chatter during sessions, but I do occasionally drift off into other thoughts and lose my place.
jd> I guess I'm not far enough in my practice yet.
jd> Do you have any tips for staying both fully relaxed yet sufficiently involved?
Jack> No biggie, just like in meditation, just when you become aware that you've drifted, return to relaxing breathing, single touch, and articulating a gentle Key Sound.
Jack> Your conscious mind may need that little break from full attention, AS THE REWIRING CONTINUES.
Jack> Our mind/body does a lot of reorganizing and rewiring as we progress through the stages of opening in this way, imho.
Hlaser> Indeed!
Jack> Good thing I found SOMETHING useful to do, eh?
Drew> :-)
Jack> ;-)
smileboy> lol
Hlaser> LOL!
Jack> smileboy what questions or comments would you like to share? We'd better let you talk a little so you don't get bumped again!
smileboy> In my sessions I have started to get a trembling in my stomach / tan tien area
smileboy> Are these echo effects
Jack> Are they happening spontaneously?
smileboy> With regard to relaxation – during the trembling there is tension in my stomach – like contractions – and also occasional spontaneous contractions of the anus/ pc muscles …
Jack> Ah! There's the magic word: SPONTANEOUS!
Jack> Welcome to the ECHO EFFECTS!
smileboy> Any thoughts or feedback ?
Hlaser> Congrats!
Jack> jd - wasn't you who'd earlier mentioned stomach trembling as an Echo Effect, also?
Jack> i.e. wasn't IT you?
Jack> Yes, smilebody, I second Hlaser KUDOS!~
Jack> Hey look at the slip I just typed!
Jack> smileboy did you see it?
jd> Yeah, spontaneous contractions of the abs. With sufficient arousal they're a constant presence.
Hlaser> Smilebody...
jd> Since the abs are pretty much at the center of the body, they make the whole body contract.
Jack> Yeah! I LOVE the way our subconscious teaches us that way!
smileboy_> not sure how to define spontaneosue - Seems so - but I can stop them if I want
Jack> (my comment was re: Hlaser's note of smilebody)
smileboy_> yes contracts the whole body in a way
Jack> Great!
Jack> PERFECT!
smileboy_> Also the manual stimulation offers the most tangle arousal “amplification� but ksmo seems to amplify a subtler type of energy or arousal – am I on the right track?
Jack> Sure you can make them stop - the secret in practice is to learn to ALLOW them to continue!
jd> I can stop them as well, dead in their tracks if I want to, but by spontaneous I mean that I'm not in any way causing/controlling them.
Jack> Exactly!
jd> If I LET them occur, they do. Otherwise, I can just exercise some mental power and stop everything.
smileboy_> sounds right...
Jack> Yes! Just LET them occur - let them flow how they will - give them lots of... well... BREATHING ROOM.
Hlaser> Observe and watch them!
Hlaser> The precurser to better things...
Hlaser> <Jack> Yes! Just LET them occur - let them flow how they will - give them lots of... well... BREATHING ROOM.
Hlaser> <Hlaser> Observe and watch them!
Hlaser> <Hlaser> The precurser to better things...
Hlaser> <Hlaser> <Hlaser> <smileboy> am I back?
Hlaser> <jd> y
Hlaser> Too late!
Hlaser> He can read transcripts, I guess?
Hlaser> y
smileboy> yes I'll read transcripts if needed....
smileboy> With my partner I get ot a point where I’m o the edge ….and feeling a new feeling of arousal deep in by perenium like a ball of energy– feels like something NEW is going to happen – a few times was experimenting and ejaculated ….feels like something just not sure which way to go….or what to do
smileboy> any thoughts...
Hlaser> Keep on keepin' on and your on the right track...
Jack> smilebody,
Jack> there I go again, I guess I'll just keep calling you that if you don't mind...
Hlaser> Relaxe - Breathe - and observe...
Jack> when you feel that something is about to happen, there's a tendency to tense up and hold your breath...
Jack> Bingo! What hlaser just said! PLUS:
Jack> SEND that pent up energy OUT through the next Key Sound!
Jack> Ejaculate the energy through the Key Sound instead of through your penis.
Jack> The KS may of course become louder as you do that, but people who suppress sound during sex are missing a lot of fun. There
Hlaser> Indeed!
smileboy_> (jack - just back - can u email missed after_
Jack> are of course many social constraints about making sounds during sex - especially it seems for men - but it can be negotiated for.
smileboy_> so youre saying to use the key sound in that situation
smileboy> OK ... can what I described morph into a multiple ...?
smileboy> Jd - tried both...
Jack> What's your hunch, smileboy?
smileboy> not sure - unfamiliar semsation....
smileboy> sensation
Jack> Didn't ask you for a sure thing... I asked you for your HUNCH. ;-)
smileboy> OK - hunch is that it could....
Jack> That's my hunch too! :-) You may have missed when I said learn to allow the building
smileboy> feels deeper ...
Jack> Yeah man!
Jack> ... go ahead and allow the energy to flow out through the next Key Sound, rather than just build and build
Jack> without anywhere to go besides out of your penis.
smileboy> will that disipate it?
Jack> No it will AMPLIFY it!
smileboy> k
Jack> That is part of the PATH to NON-ejaculatory ORGASM!
Jack> If you're allowing the energy to build and build
Jack> without expressing it
Jack> then TENSION is entering into the picture
Jack> and the center of your breath starts migrating up into your upper chest
smileboy> had nt been using the key sounds in that circumstance b4 so I could try - but my girlfriend me react....
Jack> and THAT sets the stage for triggering the ejaculation reflex.
smileboy> k
Jack> By keep the sound low, AND letting the building rushes of energy to flow out through that next Key Sound,
Jack> while allowing the KS to remain fairly deep and husky,
smileboy> barry white
Jack> i.e. coming from the depths of you (remember you mentioned it naturally felt deeper),
Jack> Yeah baby! Barry White is da Bomb! ;-) ESPECIALLY
smileboy> y
Jack> the way he does his TALKING during a song. When
Jack> he sings his voice is a lot higher, but check out Love Serenade how he does a voice over thru most of it - THAT is the range ahm tawkin bout.
smileboy> yeah - like we talked about...
smileboy> k
Hlaser> I gotta Boogie!
Hlaser> See ya later!
smileboy> bye
Jack> smileboy, remember that the energies you are awakening with this practice DO need to go SOMEwhere... and somewhere other than out of your penis (until you're really ready for that if/when you are in a given session)
Hlaser> bye ALL!
Jack> that somewhere is out THROUGH the Key Sound!
Jack> Bye Hlaser,
Drew> Bye Hlaser
Hlaser> Later
Jack> have a good holiday and thanks very much for your thoughtful comments today!
Hlaser> YOu too!
Hlaser> bye!
Jack> bye c u in the 4m
jd> Interesting. I never really got the part about releasing pent-up energy through the Key Sound. It just seemed counter-intuitive, sort of like I would be releasing the _arousal_ as well.
smileboy> I thougt the energy built into the multiple?
smileboy> yeah ...
jd> I just do the KSs after a number of breaths, but don't really correlate them with the energy.
Jack> Don't get too tangled up in what you think is supposed to happen smileboy. Just ALLOW that energy to flow out through the Key Sound.
Jack> jd,
Jack> in the beginning that's correct.
Jack> single touch, gentle key sound, relaxing breaths, repeat.
Jack> As the Echo Effects appear and begin getting stronger though, you may start to notice some tension building e.g. in your chest or groin,
Jack> release that energy through the relaxing breaths AND through the Key Sound. I don't mean to
jd> Now that I think of it, I may have been doing this without realising it.
Jack> artificially force the Key Sound, just ALLOW it to become louder as giving that building energy a way OUT.
jd> The Key Sounds do feel like a release of tension.
Jack> jd: that's perfect. The conscious mind is OFTEN the last to know! ;-)
Jack> Yes, the Key Sound releases the tension AS it ALLOWS the AROUSAL to increase EVEN FURTHER.
Jack> That's at the HEART of my discovery.
Jack> jd does that make sense to you?
Jack> Rings true? Get the picture? :-) [ addressing the main operational systems of cognition here... :-) ]
jd> Yup, my silence was in agreement.
Jack> I hear you! ;-)
Jack> Thanks for the confirm.
Jack> Ok My Brothers... What else for today?
Jack> Good session guys, wow! I hope this is helpful to you.
jd> It was for me. I'm glad I stopped by.
Jack> Me too jd. You asked great questions and shared some wonderful insights that
Jack> will be VERY helpful to those who read this transcript. I look forward to your posts in the Forum as well!
Jack> Smilebody, if you are even half as persistent in your KSMO practice as you have been in staying connected to this chat, you got NO WORRIES, mate! ;-)
Jack> Bob's yer uncle!
Jack> lol.
Drew> LMAO
Jack> Wonder if he saw the one about Uncle Bob.
Jack> Thanks Drew! LOL.
smileboy_> folks - gotta crash .... suns coming.... up
smileboy_> Jack and friends thanks for the help
smileboy_> : it was helpful...
smileboy_> be well all ...
Jack> stoki are you still with us live or in logging mode?
Drew> That's such a useful word... Captures so many things so beautifully!
Jack> I want to schedule at least one chat a month
Jack> that works for YOUR time zone!
Jack> That way we'll get our brothers and sisters in Hawaii, Africa, and Asia as well.
Jack> Oh and also the Middle East. We have many from there as well.
Jack> Are we wrapped for today, gentlemen?
Jack> Anything else?
Drew> I'm good!
stoki> still here
Jack> Stoki, thanks. What questions or comments do you have? We're here to answer them. Except maybe for smileboy who has to snooze.
jd> Right, I'm good as well.
stoki> you flooded my mind with possibilities
stoki> and things to try
Jack> Great!
stoki> now I got to get to work
Jack> Please post your experiences to the Forum.
Jack> Naw, now you get to PLAY!
Jack> ;-)
Jack> Please see my discussion with jd about changing the work on this frame to an allowing frame - it CAN make a difference in the rate of awakening.
Jack> Seriously!
Jack> One of my long time sayings is that the challenge in learning this lifelong skill is not between the legs - it's between the ears. ;-)
stoki> sometimes I ask myself why don't more people know about this method of yours
stoki> because it's a shame
Jack> Because you haven't told them yet!
stoki> yeah!
Jack> Please use those social networking buttons that are in every post - PLEASE~ :-)
stoki> I was just about to start babbling about me being this prophet
Jack> You can use those to link back to the posts that are really helpful to you.
stoki> spreading the KSMO
Jack> Yes PLEASE!
Jack> Also, any posts that are helpful, post at least a short reply to them
stoki> I've got to overcome this limiting mind of mine
Jack> including the chat transcripts, where you use the two words:
Jack> Gold Nugget
Jack> and that way when people search on that keyphrase those posts will come up.
Jack> That's how we build the SYNERGY in this.
Jack> What YOU have to say about this discovery carries a LOT more wait with the rest of the world than what I have to say about it. :-)
Jack> A lot more weight.
Jack> Geez... My subcs is tired of waiting for that to happen I guess. :-)
stoki> well I can't wait to tell my friends
stoki> but you cant really preach till you've been there yourself
stoki> so that still awaits me
Jack> Excellent! BTW, become an affiliate and give them that link to the site:
Jack> http://www.multiples.com/affiliates/index.html
Jack> That link is the signup link for you.
stoki> yes I saw this earlier
Jack> Cool!
jd> I'm not sure whether word-of-mouth would work very well for KSMO. Not that it wouldn't deserve it, just that sexual development isn't a favourite conversation topic in our society.
Jack> Are you kidding? On the web???
Jack> Maybe not face to face, but on the web it's HUMONGOUS.
Jack> :-)
Jack> That's why the advent of these social networking
jd> Maybe you're right. I was only considering face-to-face word of mouth.
Jack> buttons are so cool. Because you go to those social network sites and post a link back to specific posts that really have helped
stoki> Well I have a few good friends that would be interested
stoki> sex isn't such a taboo theme anymore
stoki> you just need someone to break the ice
Jack> you - e.g. success stories, insights, chat transcripts, etc. and you add your own comments as to why.
stoki> someone to lead
Jack> That would be you guys! ;-)
Jack> At those social networking sites, with links back like that, then the people who ARE looking for answers
Jack> to these questions will see the links back to our Knowledge Base (Forum, chat transcripts, seach tool) and
Jack> they'll begin to get the idea that this actually IS real.
Jack> And it CAN work... EVEN for THEM.
stoki> it's funny
stoki> in the beginning you don't need anything but faith
stoki> but people are so stuck up
Jack> Well they've been burned a lot.
stoki> sceptics...
Jack> Rightly so!
Jack> Half at least of all the spam prolly more than half is about pills or gizmos that's supposed to give you
Jack> what the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol gives you - and you don't have to pay for refills! ;-)
stoki> haha
Jack> ;-)
stoki> I don't know if I'd mentioned this yet
stoki> but I took a massage course
stoki> and it's really useful
stoki> people long for a touch
Jack> yes they do indeed, stoki!
Jack> And they long for a loving non-sexual touch too!
jd> Learning to massage properly is somewhere on my todo list as well.
Jack> That's great, jd!
stoki> I just have to say
stoki> that you are the most loving people I have ever met
stoki> I enjoy every moment here
Jack> WOWWWWW THAT is WONDERFUL to hear!
Jack> BrotherMan, you fit right in!
Drew> :-)
stoki> the impact of Love is clearly evident
Jack> That is one of my fundamental goals here. For you to GET that, stoki!
stoki> ok
stoki> back to work
Jack> Or back to ALLOWING, eh? ;->
stoki> be patient with me
Jack> I'm a very patient guy, stoki. No worries there.
stoki> ok
Jack> The fastest way to learn this is to SLOW down. It's a Divine Paradox.
Jack> Ok, shall we wrap it up for today?
stoki> one last question
Jack> Of course!
stoki> I didn't want to break the discussion earlier
stoki> how would you classify female ejaculation in the whole picture
stoki> because until I found your site I was pretty convinced that was the pinnacle of the female experience
stoki> and then come Jack and shake my whole understanding
stoki> now I don't even have to get close to the G-spot
stoki> damn
Jack> :-)
stoki> your discovery is too earth shattering
Jack> I'm hoping that in a fundamental way when enough
Jack> people learn this, the negative fascistic, narcissistic, mean-spirited energy
Jack> that seems to be saturating the planet right now will shift - will trance-end if you will. I am
Jack> hoping that as more people to open to this kind of HEARTFUL energy at the deepest level
Jack> a shift may begin to occur. That's my hope for my humble place in this world... that I may
Jack> contribute something that may help heal the planet.
Jack> And in a VERY positive way!
Jack> RE: female ejaculation... women have the ability to ejaculate at orgasm, as do men.
Jack> That in itself blows a lot of minds! Deborah Sundahl's book http://www.multiples.com/a/index.php/femejac
Jack> offers a pretty thorough description of how that works.
Jack> Nevertheless, learning the skill I'm teaching here, takes a LOT
Jack> of pressure off of BOTH partners because it's not about learning the right button to push,
Jack> but rather how to open your heart AND your groin and how to connect from that WIDER BANDWIDTH perspective.
Jack> A couple who knows that can simply look into each other's eyes and begin experiencing
Jack> orgasms with each other.
Jack> Orgasms emanating from the heart (hence the SubForum: Heartgasms) as well
Jack> as the lusty goodies emananating from the genital regions.
stoki>
stoki> the current state is pretty sad
Jack> yeah! It is.
Jack> But one of the coolest hypotheses in Chaos Theory
Jack> is that the more disequilibriate a system becomes,
Jack> the LESS it takes to suddenly (ahem...) TRIGGER an ENTIRELY DRAMATIC change
Jack> into something else... that whole idea of under the right conditions,
Jack> a butterfly flapping its wings in South American can trigger a cascade
Jack> of events that can result in a cyclone in Asia.
Jack> Same for social change.
stoki> the so called butterfly effect
Jack> It's also part of Chaos Theory that these phenomena are nearly always INTRINSICLY unpredictable.
stoki> and the 100 monkey effect
Jack> They make perfect sense in retrospect, but they're not predictable.
Jack> Exactly, the 100th monkey is another example of the concept.
Jack> At any time, the beleagured Earth may be just one Key Sound Multiple Orgasm away from a complete, positive transformation!
Jack> Or it could also happen cuz some guy in Slovenia left the cap off the toothpaste tube!
stoki> I have a confession
Jack> That's the Cosmic humor of the fundamental design.
stoki> I brush my teeth without toothpaste
Jack> Aha!@
Jack> The stage is set!
Jack> ;-)
stoki> so I guess the magic is in the ultimate complexity and unpredictability of it all
stoki> damn peculiar
Jack> yes and utterly fascinating. It continues to pique my curiosity about wanting to stick
Jack> around to find WHAT'S NEXT!
Jack> Even re: the
Jack> breakthroughs to the next level of KSMO intensity in one's practice:
Jack> It's a VERY VERY prevalent theme that the big breakthroughs and shifts in the results
Jack> of practice tend to happen when you least expect it!
Jack> The Forum has a LOT of posts where people say: "I wasn't expecting anything, and then it happened!"
stoki> it's probably because the Egoic shields are down
stoki> the Discriminator is dormant
stoki> so our true nature surfaces
stoki> you said it
stoki> it's the Divine Paradox
Jack> Yes it is!
Jack> One of many, I'm happy to say!
stoki> you know I tried to convince some of the guys at the school
stoki> to try at the squirting thing
stoki> apparently they didn't share the same enthusiasm
Jack> lol.
Jack> I hear you.
stoki> as every single one returned with only feeble excuses
Jack> Yeah it's only ok for guys, but not for gals, eh?
stoki> not really
Jack> Oh, what then?
stoki> I think it's fear
stoki> of being clueless
stoki> obviously they missed the fact that merely starting to head in this direction would raise them in the rare percentage of the men that really care
Jack> Yeah! Some will figure that out. You're at the leading edge there, my friend.
stoki> the feminist movement demanded equality
stoki> but I think they went a bit over the edge
stoki> someone still has to lead in the relationship
Jack> Who says?
Jack> Why can't it be mutually negotiated?
Jack> Passing it back and forth can be kinda hot.
Jack> You can negotiate for someone to be in charge some of the time, and then the partner can
stoki> well then I'm still on the lookout for such a partner
Jack> take that role for a time.
Jack> Sometimes they don't arrive pre-packaged and ready to go. Sometimes that evolves
stoki> perhaps you're right
Jack> through ongoing communication and negotiation, along with some great KSMO- sharing.
Jack> Well I'm pretty sure I'm right at least for some of the people some of the time.
Jack> I've been in relationship with my wife for almost 30 years, and our love and passion
Jack> for each other continues to grow.
stoki> you see that is my main argument against havin a girlfriend
stoki> If I still have to do all the work then I'm better off alone
laly> <crys for stoki's pain
stoki> I need a partner
stoki> not a playtoy
stoki> because you know that you can play those games all you want
stoki> manipulate
stoki> get laid as many times as you want
stoki> and write the lines on the wall
stoki> but it wont make you happy
stoki> (this is kinda a reflection - you already know all this)
Jack> That's a very valuable lesson to have under your belt!
Jack> Well I don't know it all by any means, stoki - but I know you know that too. :-)
Jack> The thing is you are practicing being very open emotionally - you're certainly
Jack> demonstrating that here... and you're very giving and you know how to recognize love
Jack> because you recognize it here... that can help draw such a person to you... it may
Jack> take more than one relationship - or the next one may the The One... but the high-integrity
Jack> good-faith quest continues.
Jack> You are continuing to open yourself up emotionally and physically by the journey
Jack> that you have begun with this KSMO practice. I trust that that is bound to help.
stoki> I've been reading some enlightened masters for quite some time now
stoki> I found many mind boggling things
stoki> which are barely comprehensible
stoki> for the regular mortals
Jack> Cool! I hope you'll mention your favorites in the Other Resources section of the Forum so that others may benefit as well.
stoki> it's just that's not that simple
stoki> this stuff I found is real
stoki> it's not just another spiritual detour
stoki> just another blimp
Jack> or a hobby.
stoki> I'm faced with the choice
Jack> Or a little tidbit. That is GREAT that you're accessing resources that are REALLY nourishing you that way!
stoki> one can undo oneself in this world
stoki> unlearn as is the term
stoki> and return to oneness
Jack> yeah, we empty the vessel, and then let it refill.
stoki> but to do that you must renounce this world
stoki> so it's not just like chocolate or vanilla
stoki> it's pretty serious
Jack> at least perhaps in the way we've framed "the world" the far.
Jack> No it's far more complex and divine that choc or vanilla altho a good choc or
Jack> a good vanilla can also be orgasmic in the right setting! :-)
stoki> does this relate to KSMO in any way
stoki> I mean the vanilla?
stoki>
Jack> Well to me the KSMO experience is so fractal, so richly variant that it's like
Jack> 31 flavors cubed or to the tenth power or something. I don't want to be
Jack> hyperbolic, but the doors just keep opening to new nuances, new intensities, new
Jack> emotions, and greater and more delightfully intense response to ALL things beautiful,
Jack> be that a sunset, a piece of music, or yes, a good vanilla! :-)
laly> i agree jack
Jack> Well again thanks very much stoki for all of the INCREDIBLE loving energy you've shared today
stoki> I guess I could postpone this decision of mine for awhile
Drew> The man speaketh the TRUTH!
Jack> including the care and love that came through as you shared all of those great ideas
stoki> and make someon happy during this time
Jack> about the site. I really felt that and really appreciate it!
Jack> Yeah, very good plan imho, stoki!
stoki> thank you all
stoki> really
stoki> heh
Jack> You are very VERY welcome!
stoki> it's 205 am here
Jack> I gotta tell you stoki,
Jack> that in this moment I'm really feeling a rush of BLISS at the miracle
Jack> of the web how we can connect from British Columbia to Slovenia and share this kind
Jack> of information and friendship. Now THAT is VERY cool!
Jack> I marvel!
Drew> I do too!
laly> <is crying too much to talk
Jack> BTW stoki, what time is it in Slovenia now?
stoki> if my enterpreneurial career takes off
stoki> maybe I'll come visit you someday
Jack> Oh lol I just noticed you'd already typed the time!
stoki> 2.08 am now
Drew> 02:09Hrs Jack!
Jack> That would be cool stoki!
Jack> Or maybe I could come to Slovenia and do a workshop. Hey we could have both!
stoki> no no wait
stoki> I put it incorrectly
stoki> WHEN my enterpreneurial career takes off...
Jack> YES!
laly> yeahhhh!!!!
stoki> gotta stop this negative self talk
Jack> Here's another step: You're entrepreneurial career already IS taking off - your
Jack> conscious mind is the last to realize it!
stoki> hey guys
Jack> ;-)
stoki> have you watched the Secret
laly> yep
Drew> I have!
Jack> I've heard about it but haven't seen it yet.
stoki> It's quite well known
stoki> I watched it right when it came out
Drew> Me too
Drew> Now THAT is a marketing COUP!
laly> k-i have a date with warm bath
Jack> Great!
Jack> I'm putting that on my agenda for tonight too!
laly> anyone care for a hug before i scoot?
Jack> Sure!
laly> HUGS jack
laly> anyone else??
stoki> me
Jack> HUGS 2 U 2 Laly!
laly> - hugs stoki
Jack> HUGS Stoki!
Jack> Drew?
Jack> jd?
Drew> sure
stoki> HUGS Jack Laly
Jack> (no thanks is also quite ok)
laly> GRINS - hugs drew
Jack> HUGS Drew!
stoki> hey I found the first 20 minutes
stoki> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b1GKGWJbE8
stoki> of
stoki> THE SECRET
Jack> Thanks for the link!
stoki> should be enough to make you find the rest of it
stoki>
Jack> Thanks Brother!
laly> k -- nite everyone
stoki> bye
Jack> bye for now stoki!!!
laly> bye stoki - i look forward to hearing more in forum from you
Jack> Yep, how 'bout that!
stoki>
Jack> Take care everyone see you in the Forum!
Drew> Bye all... Sleep well, Stoki!
Jack> Bye Drew!
stoki> it's saturday and I'm not going to sleep yet
stoki> bye
Jack> Party On Stoki!
Jack> Rock Slovenia!
stoki> lol
Jack> ;->
stoki> there is actually a festival in our town
stoki> right now
Jack> aha!
stoki> Ajdovscina in May
stoki>
Jack> Happy Ajdovscina!
stoki> Vesela=happy
Jack> Vesela Ajdovscina!
stoki> to infect you with a bit of Slovenian
stoki> that's it
Jack> Thank you. I'm feeling the rush already!
stoki> now we really got to wrap it up
Jack> You bet! ttyl!
stoki> cya Jack
stoki> jd
stoki> Drew
Jack> cya BrotherMan!
stoki> I'm out
Session Close: Sat May 26 17:20:33 2007