• Laly, puzzler, hlaser99, dman, laudiser, drew, and intimus join Jack for a discussion of the Key Sound, Echo Effects, and creating pages in the Wiki.
• puzzler wonders why he is not getting a feeling on the 2nd part of the Key Sound. Jack suggests not trying to get a feeling but relaxing and allowing the responses. Laly explains that the feelings tend to shift from one area of the body to another.
• dman describes his initial Echo Effects from following the Protocol. He also describes using the Key Sound with every breath and feeling too much tension. Jack warns of the danger of upsetting blood gases with this approach and suggests he follow the Protocol.
• Jack goes through a tutorial with hlaser99 on creating pages in the Wiki.
• Intimus, who has been practicing for 10 months feels stuck with subtle responses after initially having strong Echo Effects. Jack inquires if anything has changed in his life. Intimus describes having some physical and emotional issues. Jack suggests counseling to deal with the emotional issues.

Jack> Good afternoon!
hlaser99> Yo!
Jack> ...WikiWizards!
Laly> back at ya jack HUGSSS
Jack> Thanks! Same 2 u 2
Jack> 2
Laly> just TOO bubbly today
Laly> luv those echos
Jack> Yeah, GROUNDING is part of the lesson. GROUNDING and BOUNDARIES.
Laly> I think my hot bath seemed to awaken them this time jack
Jack> I'm glad to hear you're feeling good. Sounds like Mexico was rejuvenating for you.
Laly> it was very good for me thanks
hlaser99> Hope you're renewed!
Laly> I am hlaser!!
Laly> woke up this am with awareness of echos flowing
Laly> been constant all day so far
Jack> Try a _warm_ bath ... i.e., gradually lower the temperature til you notice your breathing pattern change to a more natural "daily living" kind of pattern - i.e. more or less your baseline pattern.
Jack> But don't get a chill, of course!
Laly> okay
Jack> Hey Laudiser, WELCOME!
Laly> hi ya laudis HUGSS
hlaser99> Hey!
hlaser99> Fly on the wall?
Laly> care to share anything hlaser??
hlaser99> OK
Jack> BTW Laudis, where are you typing from?
Laudiser> Yes, I am here but I'm learning how to do this.
Jack> We're here to help you!
Laly> welcome - glad you are here laudiser
Jack> There's no question too trivial or whatever.
hlaser99> WELCOME, AS WELL!'
Jack> Laudiser, how is your practice going?
Laudiser> I just ordered the sound training and my body is becoming more sensitive all over.
Jack> GREAT! Yes please think of this process as a gradual AWAKENING...
Jack> How are the feelings and sensations different than your prior experience?
Laly> did you get jack's question laudiser?
Jack> [By the Way Laudiser, you are ALWAYS free to NOT answer any question we may ask of you. :-) Just say "pass" or answer the parts you're ok with. ]
puzzler> evening
Laly> HI YA PUZZLER hugsss
hlaser99> hey Pzmo!
Jack> Hey puzzler!!!
hlaser99> Puzzler?
puzzler> I recognize hlaser from Aneros website
hlaser99> Yes, Puzzler!
puzzler> I'm hoping it is easier to describe what I'm feeling through this chat then writing a a large post on the forum
Laly> it gets easier with time puzzler
Laly> take if from someone who's been there
puzzler> not writing long posts it doesn't lol
Laly> (ask jack- I don't DO long posts, I do stories now)
Jack> You bet! Hey Laudiser, you want to just sit back a minute and catch your breath while we pass the Talking Stick to puzzler?
Jack> Then we can come back to you, ok?
Laudiser> That is fine, thanks!
Jack> Thanks, Laudi!
puzzler> ok I'll start if everyone is settled
Jack> Yes, you have the Talking Stick!
puzzler> As you are aware I was separating the sessions with Aneros and then KS, well now I've stopped the Aneros
Jack> Why?
Jack> (was to puzzler)
puzzler> every Monday Wednesday and Friday I do KS. follow the guidelines of 20 mins
Jack> Sounds good!
puzzler> in answer to quest jack. Too confusing
puzzler> I mean the feelings
Jack> Makes sense to me.
puzzler> I take long breaths. Not deep deep ones but ones I'm comfortable with
Jack> That's why I recommend that people explore just the KSMO Protocol for that 20 min 3 times a week.
Jack> You know, give it chance! :-)
puzzler> when I do the KS on the exhale the 1st part is easy. I can really feel the vibrations through the chest and finger tips.
Jack> Good!
puzzler> The hard part is the second stage. I can't get a feeling as such
Jack> You're not supposed to "get" a feeling.
Jack> :-)
puzzler> on the 2nd part?
Jack> You described the second part as not being able to "get" a feeling. If you're trying to "get" a feeling, you may need to
Jack> LET GO of trying to "get" a feeling and just allow your deeper responsiveness a chance to fill that space for you.
Jack> That's how it seems to work.
Laly> uh huh
puzzler> oh ok. you mean long gentle sensuous feelings
Laly> hi ya drew HUGSSS
Jack> Or whatever form they may take on that particular day, puzzler.
Jack> They won't always be the same, or predictable. PLEASE NOTE THAT SENTENCE. :-)
Jack> Hi Drew!!!
puzzler> ok that's cool. Well following yr seminar and pdf file the next stage is gentle touching of sensitive areas?
hlaser99> Hey Drew good to meet you!
Drew> Hi all... Sorry I'm late.
Drew> :-)
puzzler> hi drew. Sorry I'm concentrating writing
Laly> introduction of a single caress - yes puzzler
Jack> A SINGLE touch or caress, puzzler, just like it says in the pdf document. For a while, explore following the step by step described in the pdf
Jack> pretty much _to the letter_ and see what happens when you... as they say... follow directions on the label. :-)
puzzler> well its not that I don't get it. I just don't get the feelings between my scrotum and anus. I mean I used to be very sensitive but not now?
Jack> Don't sweat the changes, bro.
Jack> Just give the process some BREATHING ROOM to offer up new sensations
Jack> while quieting others. It's not a linear or predictable process.
puzzler> so even though it is doing nothing for me I should continue and expect nothing for the time being?
Laly> if I may say something to puzzler jack?
puzzler> please do
Jack> Welcome dman! puzzler is sharing some recent experiences. Yes laly please.
dman> Thanks! Great to be here.
Laly> ok- puzzler in regards to the not getting feelings in your scrotum area now
Laly> in my experience- the sensitivity seems to shift
Laly> in my body anyway
Laly> that is why jack mentions experimenting
Laly> with different areas and see what happens
puzzler> Oh that leads me nicely to next part. I got nothing there but I do from my nipples. Especially the right one
Laly> great
puzzler> as soon as I gently touch my nipples its like a sudden jolt in the perineum area
Laly> sweet- am dancing with joy in hearing that puzzler
puzzler> well sort of. Don't get too excited lady lol
Laly> < is blushing
Jack> See? LET YOUR ECHO EFFECTS GUIDE YOU.
Jack> Your Echo Effects - by attenuating some while AWAKENING others...
Jack> is showing you - guiding you - in the bootup sequence for this long-slumbering full-body multiorgasmic response.
puzzler> Now the feelings I get is lovely and I do have difficulty remembering to breathe properly
Laly> pause what you are doing at that moment until you get that breathing under control
puzzler> Now I know this is wrong because you cannot force it but the feeling only stay in the perineum area
Jack> re: difficulty remembering how to breathe cuz the feelings are so good:
Jack> That's known as a "higher level gripe" (coined by Abraham Maslow)
puzzler> JACK sorry YES. very intense surges
Laly> hi ya dman
dman> Hi there. I have a question about my practice. Is now a good time to ask?
Jack> Not quite.
Jack> Pls stand by.
Laly> puzzler has the talking stick for now dman
puzzler> sorry dman I'm in full flow
puzzler> )
Jack> People are kind of talking all at the same time.
dman> No problem. I'm new to chatting, so I'll try to learn the proper etiquette.
Jack> Makes it a REAL challenge to follow the conversation in the transcript afterwards.
Laly> (sorry jack)
puzzler> LOL Jack. Shame its not like MS. You can see who's writing before they post mess
Jack> Yeah, we use (on a good day) the Talking Stick convention,
Jack> which basically means one person has the floor at a time, and people respond to what that person is saying.
Jack> If somebody is responding to them
Jack> but doesn't end
Jack> a line with a terminal
Jack> punctuations like ? . ! then please wait until
Jack> they do, otherwise it's kinda like interrupting someone - Just thought I'd review the tradition
Jack> for everyone, including puzzler ;-) !
dman> Thanks.
Jack> Ok puzzler please continue.
puzzler> when I have these feeling from the nipples I tend to think of exotic things
puzzler> LOL sorry . blushing
Jack> LOL ;-)
Jack> Please go ahead.
puzzler> what do you think of while these surges are happening?
Jack> how about how good they feel?
Jack> What their nuances are?
puzzler> yes I do but then I feel like I've entered a trap as you put it
Jack> What do you mean?
puzzler> I start to concentrate. By doing this I seem to lose the surges
Jack> "Concentrate" sounds like a bit of a strain...
puzzler> how do I let them continue to flow by concentrating but not actually concentrating if you know what I mean?
Jack> How about instead
Jack> Just kind of relaxing and letting go?
Laly> (ok- I have to go jack - sorry )
Jack> They may continue or not. If you're trying to "get" them to, THAT is the trap I was alluding to earlier.
Jack> Thanks laly!
Laly> (take care everyone HUGSSS)
hlaser99> Bye Laly!
Jack> Have a good week!!!
puzzler> Yes letting go. The key word. that's what I do. I'll try to explain
puzzler> bye laly
Laly> bye hlaser
Laly> bye puzzler
Jack> puzzler it sounds like you are fretting a bit...
Laudiser> Bye Laly
puzzler> yes I am
Jack> maybe you can relax and just enjoy the ride?
Jack> Just
Jack> let
Jack> go
puzzler> letting go sounds so simple but its not
Jack> I KNOW!!! :-)
Jack> 98% of the teaching here is about letting go:
Jack> letting go of trying to MAKE it happen
Jack> letting go of expectations of what's it's supposed to feel like
Jack> letting go of trying to insure a strong outcome by using "a little more" stimulation
Jack> etc.
puzzler> as soon as I think about letting go I'm then concentrating which in turn kills the surges
Jack> Don't think about letting go.
Jack> Just let go.
puzzler> sorry I'm laughing my head off reading that
puzzler> You make it sound so damn simple
Jack> It's a koan.
hlaser99> Relax, and let it take you where it wants to go...
Jack> Didja hear what hlaser just said?
puzzler> yes I did.
hlaser99> Let IT take you!
Jack> LET it TAKE you!
puzzler> I'm really stressed. Ain't I?
Jack> OMG We both wrote the same thing!
Jack> Well if you repeat THAT mantra
Jack> you're in a loop.
Jack> puzzler I think you may be experiencing the leading edge of an emotional furball of some kind.
Jack> You don't have to hurry up and let go.
Jack> Just let go at your own pace.
puzzler> I feel like my brain is stopping me proceeding to a new level
Jack> No, you THINK your brain is... etc.
Jack> You are conflating THINKING and FEELING...
puzzler> so its my sub conscious stopping the brain letting go?
Jack> We're here to help you sort that a bit, and some professional counseling assistance - even short-term - might also be quite beneficial from time to time.
Jack> Who cares?
Jack> Don't try to figure it all out cognitively, just tell us what the FEELINGS were like.
puzzler> good, Exciting. At times my heart would miss a beat
Jack> You said you got some pleasant responses from nipple caress.
puzzler> oh yes. Tingling in prostate and down right leg
Jack> Ok, if you're that revved up then the ONLY thing you should be doing is relaxing breathing - NO stimulation OR Key Sound
Jack> because they are both putting your foot on the accelerator.
Jack> re: tingling etc. THAT IS WONDERFUL!
Jack> Have you ever felt sensations like that before?
puzzler> Yes with the Aneros
Jack> Ok... so now you have discovered that you don't need the Aneros to enjoy those sensations - they are always available to you.
puzzler> I'm sitting here now with those same feelings in the prostate. Just gentle tingling.
Jack> The Aneros helped with the awakening - like training wheels perhaps.
puzzler> trouble is trying to make them stop
Jack> The way to ALLOW them to stop is take a break from practice,
Jack> and any other kind of excitatory practices (e.g. Aneros),
Jack> and do relaxing things, like warm (not hot) baths or showers,
Jack> lying down and listening meditation-type music... very YIN stuff.
puzzler> OK. I've been talking quite some time. Want to pass the stick round Jack?
hlaser99> Are we back to "grounding here?
Jack> Yes!
puzzler> pass the stick round
Jack> That is the natural cycle taught by the Ancients: You RAISE the power, and then you EARTH the power.
Jack> It's important to keep in mind
Jack> that ALL use of touch, the Key Sound, FANTASY are ALL STIMULATIVE
Jack> i.e. AROUSAL-INCREASING
Jack> activities, so when you begin to notice
Jack> concerns about having had enough for the time being, then all of those kinds of activities should be ceased
Jack> until you find a comfortable GROUNDED place in yourself.
Jack> If you're trying to pull over to the curb and park for a while, don't keep your foot on the accelerator.
Jack> :-)
puzzler> OK that's understood
hlaser99> Amen!
Jack> :-)
puzzler> pass the stick
dman> Is now a good time to ask a question, or does someone else want to go first?
Jack> GREAT QUESTION PUZZLER!!!
Jack> Laudiser, is it ok if dman goes next?
hlaser99> Excellent!
Laudiser> Yes
Jack> Thank you dear friend!
dman> Thanks. Is it bad etiquette to post a lot of text in a chat room (maybe a full screen's worth)? I wrote out my question earlier this morning. Might I copy and paste it now? Alternatively, I could just write out my question now, if that seems like a better idea to you.
Jack> Uh, how about one statement at a time,
Jack> and let us get a word in edgewise
Jack> to respond? :-) And
Jack> thanks for asking!
dman> Okay, I'll do my best
Jack> Big chunks of text are best posted to the OrgasmWiki or to the Forum.
dman> I first read the protocol on Tuesday
dman> makes sense.
Jack> ;-)
Jack> Pls continue, thanks!
dman> I found myself wanting to stimulate my whole body
dman> not just my genitals
dman> it was a new experience, like I would stimulate a woman
dman> massaging my whole body
dman> it was exciting
dman> I used the Key Sound
dman> I felt tingling all over
dman> and by 20 minutes, I was feeling wonderful
dman> but I was using the Key Sound pretty much every breath
dman> I know that was wrong
dman> and at the end, my hands were clenched
dman> and my lips were taut
Jack> [danger of upsetting balance of blood gasses when you use Key Sound on every breath]
dman> my first question is whether I was getting too much or too little
dman> oxygen and whether that's dangerous, potentially?
Jack> When in doubt, follow directions.
Jack> :-)
dman>
dman> So today I followed directions
Jack> Yes, I think your BODY gave you the answer to THAT question~!
dman> and it was very relaxing
dman> but no full-body tingling
dman> so I wonder whether I was doing
dman> something right on Tuesday that I wasn't doing today
dman> or whether I just need to be patient and not rush towards
dman> what I experienced the other day
dman> with so much stimulation and so much breathing.
Jack> What's your hunch?
dman> the latter.
Jack> To anchor it, please restate it. Thanks.
dman> My hunch is that I just need to be patient and feel the relaxation rather than rushing
dman> .
Jack> Way to SELF-CALIBRATE!
dman> Thanks
dman> But it was such a great feeling the other day
Jack> You bet! Until you seized the engine!
dman> that it's hard not to think maybe I was doing something right that I should go for again.
Jack> LOL.
Jack> Key warning phrase is "go for".
dman> Yes, that makes sense.
Jack> You can go for all you want in life,
Jack> by the same token, I am INVITING you
Jack> to take just
Jack> 20 min
Jack> NO MORE than
Jack> 3 times a week
Jack> to LET GO OF GOING FOR
dman> That sounds great.
Jack> and relax, with a single (no more!) touch or caress, and an UNFORCED relaxing Key Sound
Jack> and AT LEAST two to four unhurried UNFORCED relaxing breaths.
dman> Is it okay if those breaths are very deep if that's what the body seems to want?
Jack> For NO MORE than 20 minutes (plus or minus a minute or three).
Jack> The key, d,
Jack> is are you CONSCIOUSLY deciding to make a deeper breath, or is that where your body is automatically,
Jack> spontaneously
Jack> taking you?
dman> Automatically, spontaneously taking me.
Jack> If that's what you find yourself doing, great!
dman> Cool
Jack> If you're thinking "maybe if I..." "I could get more..."
Jack> then that's slipping off Protocol.
dman> Makes sense.
Jack> It's like sailing... there's no bee line.
dman> What about stimulating the rest of the body?
dman> That's off protocol, right?
Jack> Heck even bees don't go straight line for very long!
dman>
Jack> For the 20 min practice, just explore the single touch. But hey what you do with yourself or consenting adult others is your own business! :-)
dman>
hlaser99> The more your body takes charge of your breaths, the longer and stranger it sounds!
dman> Any suggestions as to *how* to do the single touch?
Jack> stay tuned for when "stranger" is no longer a stranger, where that stranger evolves into eros.
Jack> dman: nope.
Jack> Forget how, just
Jack> a single touch or caress - how = dealer's choice -
Jack> of ANY potentially erotically responsive area of your body -
Jack> or even not erotic - maybe just nice - feels nice area
Jack> then without breaking contact -
Jack> that is, just resting your hand there at the end of the SINGLE active caress,
Jack> use a gentle UNFORCED Key Sound as you exhale that breath
Jack> then cruise with regular relaxing breaths of at least two to four -
Jack> then when you like,
Jack> repeat,
Jack> for no more than about 20 minutes.
dman> Do you need to vocalize while making the Key Sound? Sometimes my body seems to just want to make as though it's making the Key Sound, but without the actual sound (i.e., breathy).
Jack> Yeah that's fine!
dman> Cool.
Jack> You ARE likely to notice additional benefit when
Jack> you do allow a little vocalization
Jack> because the those deep notes you're hitting will really tend to vibrate your chest cavity and lower and
Jack> that is part of the arousal-amplifying power of the Key Sound discovery.
dman> Awesome. This has been really helpful. Thanks for answering all my questions.
Jack> You are very welcome! Does anyone else have anything you'd like to say in response to what dman has shared? Please do!
Jack> yes? no?
Jack> Who'd like the Talking Stick now please?
Laudiser> You answered my questions also.
Jack> Wow! Which ones specifically, Laudiser?
Jack> And YOU SEE DMAN, HOW YOU'RE QUESTIONS TEACH OTHERS?
Jack> :-)
dman> I'm happy to help
Jack> Right on! We're countin' on ya!
dman> I've got to run. Nice meeting you all. I look forward to chatting again soon.
Laudiser> About the value of the single caress.
Jack> Ok Bro! Spread the word!
dman> Will do
Jack> Ah yes, please expand a little if you would, please, Laudi.
Jack> thanks dman! ttyl!
hlaser99> bye!
dman> ? ? Bye!
Laudiser> The tendency is to want to increase
Laudiser> the caress and I am learning that less is better
Laudiser> to awaken the whole body.
Jack> RIGHT ON!
Jack> The power of the paradox.
Jack> Yeah we are all SO enculturated with "MORE STIMULATION IS BETTER" and yet
Jack> the secret is that less is better, when you know how to AMPLIFY your body's NATURAL and EXQUISITELY SENSITIVE responsiveness.
Laudiser> I will leave now also, thanks for your help.
Jack> You are very welcome Laudiser. Thanks for being here!
Jack> If you need help learning how to use the Forum and/or the wiki, please send me an email
Jack> with your phone number and good times to call (include time zone) and I will call you (cheap webphone)
Jack> and walk you thru it. Doesn't take long at all.
Laudiser> Thanks much!
Jack> At your service! :-)_
Jack> Have a good week!
Jack> Ok!
Laudiser> You too
Jack> Thanks Laudi!
Jack> bye!
Jack> Ok... Does anyone else have anything they'd like to ask or share?
Jack> Drew? puzzler? hlaser?
Jack> are we wrapped for today?
hlaser99> yo!
hlaser99> guess so?
Jack> BTW I want to thank you again for dippin' your toe into the wiki.
hlaser99> no prob!
Jack> Hang on one sec. Lemme check something b4 you bail.
Jack> Hey puzzler, would you be willing to stick around a few more? You too, laser, if you would.
Jack> I'd like your help with something.
hlaser99> yes
Jack> How 'bout it puzz?
Jack> thanks lase!
Jack> puzzler, are you up for it? Hangin' around about another 5 or so?
hlaser99> OK
Jack> hmmm.
Jack> I was gonna walk him thru how simple it is to create a User page and a User_talk page in the wiki.
Jack> Our community has a SERIOUS case of WikiPhobia!
hlaser99> Good idea.
hlaser99> You know how I feel!
Jack> Thanks! I thought so too, but I guess puzzler went afk.
Jack> Yeah I really appreciate all you're contributing over there!
hlaser99> Still can't understand why others are not taking advantage of OrgasmWiki?
Jack> When we build it RIGHT, they will come. :-)
Jack> We're getting there. People ARE reading pages.
hlaser99> What can we do to entice our members to come on over? (Fun and interesting things...)
Jack> Thanks for asking!
hlaser99> I want to participate in the new site, but I am limited in experience on web matters.
Jack> I think one thing is that whenever you find a good post or segment of a chat transcript in the Forum, excerpt it in the wiki.
Jack> Another is that whenever you create a page in the wiki or find one that is helpful to you, post IT'S link in the FORUM.
Jack> The more links between the two, the better.
Jack> Another thing I'm working on
hlaser99> Easy enough, but I worry about style and protocol...
Jack> What do you mean by protocol?
hlaser99> I am not sure how to create a link even?
hlaser99> I was an old-school graphics guy, that used to send my work to Laser or Printing press...
Jack> Ok!!! GREAT! It is UNBELIEVABLY simple to create a link in the wiki. First, have you printed your copy of the CHEATSHEET?
Jack> http://www.multiples.com/orgasmwiki/Cheatsheet
hlaser99> yes
Jack> Ok, good!
* Jack checking Cheatsheet off the list.
Jack> When you say
Jack> I want to create a link,
Jack> the first question is: Do you want to link to a page that already exists, or one that does not?
hlaser99> right
Jack> Which is it, in your particular case?
hlaser99> If I create a link to something good, there seems to be multiple places on owiki to put it...
hlaser99> Where to place it?
Jack> Are you saying you want to create a new page, or add something to an existing page?
hlaser99> Is there an interesting links page yet?
Jack> Nope. Not by that name.
Jack> Would you like to learn how to create it?
hlaser99> Then where do I place the link?
Jack> The link TO the new page?
hlaser99> I guess?
hlaser99> Wow, are you confused as I am?
Jack> You are pretty confused. A PERFECT TEST CASE!!!
Jack> :-)
Jack> Would you like to have a page called Interesting Pages?
hlaser99> If I have any problems I will e-mail for help...
Jack> stick with me here, a bit, if you can. We're on to something I think.
hlaser99> what e-mail address?
Jack> jack(at-sign)multiples.com
Jack> replace (at-sign) with @
hlaser99> I sent you 2 last week there and you haven't answered.
Jack> [I type it that way cuz nasty spambots harvest emails when they browse the web]
hlaser99> about my blog post
hlaser99> "My Childhood Came to Visit"
Jack> sorry mate. Been kinda busy finishing wiki install, shop cart, getting affiliate and search tools running on new server (still working on that), so thanks for reminding me.
hlaser99> Is it too risquet?
hlaser99> Ah I see!
Jack> Please email me the direct link to it. put "childhood" in the subject line.
hlaser99> I haven't posted it yet!
hlaser99> I want you to see it first...
Jack> Ok, I'll search that string in my inbox (currently at 468 unread emails).
hlaser99> OMG!
Jack> Yes, thanks for checking on that! I'll have a look this weekend and let you know. REMIND ME!
hlaser99> I had no idea!
hlaser99> Sorry!
Jack> No apologies necessary. Just want you to have the perspective that I do need to be reminded,
Jack> hopefully without prejudice. :-)
hlaser99> No Prob!
Jack> I am NOT saying don't ask!
Jack> k?
Jack> :-)
hlaser99> OK
Jack> Thanks! Ok, shall we teach ya how to create a link and a page?
hlaser99> Sure
Jack> r u on a mac or pc?
hlaser99> pc
Jack> k, whew. :-)
Jack> Ok what I'd like to do is ask you to have a separate browser window open
Jack> that is http://www.multiples.com/orgasmwiki/
Jack> AND please keep THIS window open so we can talk! :-)
Jack> Let me know when you have it open.
hlaser99> OK, but it's small...
Jack> The browser window is small?
hlaser99> 1/2 screen
hlaser99> ok browser is under neath now
hlaser99> Main Page...
hlaser99> Hello!
Jack> Great! Ok, so hlaser realizes that Hey! I wonder if there's a page called Interesting Pages?
hlaser99> right
Jack> So in the wiki search box, type the two words
Jack> Interesting Pages
Jack> and press Enter.
Jack> [Which is the equivalent of clicking the Go button].
Jack> Let me know when you have pressed Enter.
hlaser99> I was an old-school graphics guy, that used to send my work to Laser or Printing press...
hlaser99> oops
Jack> What's that got to do with the tutorial?
Jack> LOL!
hlaser99> There is no page titled "interesting pages".
Jack> Ok. So what happened instead is, you went to
Jack> a page that says
Jack> There is no page titled "Interesting Pages". You can create this page.
Jack> And
Jack> "create this page"
Jack> is a RED link.
Jack> Do you see that?
hlaser99> right
hlaser99> too easy
Jack> [If there HAD been a page by that name, you of course would be sent to that page.]
Jack> Yeah!
hlaser99> ok
Jack> Like learning KSMO once the fears etc get outta the way, yes? :-)
hlaser99> yes
hlaser99> I get it...
Jack> WIKIRULE: ALL links that are RED mean that a page by that name does not yet exist in the wiki, but whoever created the page is giving you the opportunity to create such a page by just clicking that link!
Jack> So... [drumroll............]
Jack> Click the red link that says
Jack> create this page
Jack> !
hlaser99> There it is!
Jack> Voila!
hlaser99> No Chello!
hlaser99> Cello
Jack> Or as an ol' SuperGeekWizard buddy of mine liked to say: "ViOla!"
hlaser99> Used to play
hlaser99> funny!
Jack> Ok... we both had our associative riffs on that one! :-)
Jack> LOL.
Jack> Yeah! So after you clicked that red link, what happened?
Jack> [fbo for benefit of - the readers of this transcript]
Jack> .
hlaser99> Opened an Editing page for interesting pages
Jack> YES!
Jack> That SUPERKEWEL wiki software did 99% of the work for you by
Jack> creating a page by that name and opened an Editing box awaiting your content!
Jack> Let's put a heading at the top of our page. It's really easy...
Jack> Hi thanks for holding on.
hlaser99> ok
hlaser99> lost the page
Jack> Welcome Intimus, nice to have you back! laser and I were just finishing a little mini-tutorial on how to create a page in the wiki.
hlaser99> I can see that now?
Jack> Yes laser... std by.
Jack> Let's see if we can help intimus (and Drew if he wants) back on to the same page with the our tutorial on how to create a wiki page. It was only THREE steps!
Jack> Let's just go for it, ok Laser? :-)
Jack> In the wiki, what page are you on, Laser?
Jack> Others please open a browser window and go to: http://www.multiples.com/orgasmwiki/
hlaser99> I just recreated it already...
hlaser99> just
hlaser99> This time I will save it?
Jack> Ok smarty pants - tell'em how you did it!
Jack> Yes. Save it! :-) you gotta have SOME content
Jack> in it though. If only a single character.
Jack> Otherwise I doubt that it will save an empty page, but it might.
hlaser99> It did?
Jack> Did it?
Jack> You're way ahead of me at this point.
hlaser99> look at it...
Jack> It doesn't show as saved. I can't see your screen in the edit box - I can only see what you save. Where WERE we in the STEP BY STEP tutorial we were working on? May I go back to THAT POINT
Jack> so the editor can repair the continuity?
hlaser99> Ny way: 1 go to main page 2 In search box, type in interesting pages 3 then click on "create this page
Jack> Where do they find "create this page"?
hlaser99> on search results page
Jack> Yes, at the top, where it says:
Jack> There is no page titled "interesting pages". You can create this page.
Jack> and "create this page" is in RED.
hlaser99> right
hlaser99> Just added "Hi!"
Jack> So you clicked that link, and were presented with a new page called Interesting Pages, and the wiki has given you a big Edit Box in which to write your content.
hlaser99> Right!
Jack> Ok great! CHECK the Watch this page box!
hlaser99> Done!
Jack> That way it will get added to your "my watchlist" page. The link to "my watchlist" is in the upper right corner of any wiki page, WHEN YOU'RE LOGGED IN.
hlaser99> Cool!
Jack> Ok now, if you had a bunch of text, you could click preview the page, but let's play it safe and click SAVE.
Jack> yeah bro, it's way cool.
hlaser99> it's done!
Jack> Ok, NOW let's say you want to write a short statement about what the page is for. How do you think you do that?
hlaser99> Just type in the editing box.
hlaser99> or cut and paste to it!
Jack> Please let us finish this little tutorial, Intimus, and then we'll be happy to answer your questions and give you the help you need.
Jack> Yes!
Jack> So NOW, whenever you find (or write!) a page that you think is interesting, you can add that link to the Interesting Pages page.
hlaser99> the Same as the BLOG!
Jack> Yeah but SO much FASTER!!!
Intimus> OK thanks
Jack> You're welcome Intimus, we'll be right with you as soon as we finish this little lesson on how to create a wiki page.
Jack> So hlaser, first,
Jack> let's make a heading in that Interesting Pages page that creates an area for you to post the links to pages you like - that basically says something like "Pages found interesting by Hlaser" or whatever you like.
Jack> Ok?
Jack> First,
hlaser99> ok
Jack> once you have typed in Interesting Pages in the search box, and have been take to that page,
Jack> you next click the EDIT tab at the top, and lo and behold, there's that ol' Edit Box again!
Jack> This time you can see what you typed in there before. Right?
hlaser99> right
Jack> Ok! Now
Jack> let's create that section heading. See that
Jack> big "A" button the fifth from
Jack> the left in that row of buttons along the top left of the edit box?
hlaser99> yes
Jack> Intimus, if you know how to switch back between two open windows on your computer, or to lay out your screen with this chat in one area and a browser window in the other half, you can open that second browser window and go to http://www.multiples.com/orgasmwiki/
Jack> hlaser, click the button pls. But don't type anything yet.
hlaser99> ok
Jack> See how it says "Headline text" AND that is SELECTED that is white type with blue background?
Jack> So just start typing your heading and the "Headline text" will immediately disappear and start being replaced by the text your typing.
Jack> care to try it?
hlaser99> ok
Jack> Great! Then go ahead and click the save button.
hlaser99> she works!
Jack> How about that! Now get THIS:
Jack> as you and others add other L2 headings like that (that big A button fifth from the left automatically created that "L2 Heading" or Headline Text area for you),
Jack> of course, the page will get longer... Here's the
Jack> Get THIS!
Jack> As the page gets beyond a certain length,
Jack> the wiki will AUTOMATICALLY generate and insert a TABLE OF CONTENTS at the top of the page, with each L2 being a LIVE LINK to that section of the page!
hlaser99> Like my BLOG did!
hlaser99> Cool!
Jack> Now you can go in there and start adding links to pages you find interesting, and please say WHY you found them interesting.
Jack> Ok?
hlaser99> OK
Jack> :-)
hlaser99> Good tutorial
hlaser99> Although, a rough start?
Jack> laser: re; rough start... no worries... go read the I Ching (Wilhelm Baynes Edition, e.g.) hexagram called "Difficulty at the Beginning".
hlaser99> OK, I guess?
Jack> Ok!!! Hey Intimus, thanks very much for your patience! Please intro yourself to the chat transcript readers, e.g. age, marital status, gender, orientation, how long practicing the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol, etc. But ONLY what you're ok sharing under pseudonym
Jack> in a public online Forum. That's our guideline and our commitment to you that we ONLY want you to share what you feel ok about in this kind of venue.
Jack> That said, please intro yourself and ask your questions. We're here to help.
Intimus> I am 53, married, male have been practicing for maybe 10 months or more. what is orientation?
Jack> i.e. straight bi gay etc. but ONLY if you care to...
Jack> How may we help you today?
Jack> Oh generally, if ok about it, where are you typing from?
Jack> Intimus: And most importantly what has your experience been so far, and what are your questions?
hlaser99> Guess I'll cut-out now, Jack!
hlaser99> I'm starving!
Jack> Ok laser, thanks for all of your input today. I look forward to seeing some LINKS to the pages you find Interesting posted soon to Interesting Pages!
hlaser99> No Prob!
hlaser99> Bye!
Jack> Check your Cheatsheet for how to format an Internal link (i.e a link to another page WITHIN the wiki)
hlaser99> ok
Jack> when you're in the Edit Box. That's what the Cheatsheet refers to:
Jack> Life in the Edit Box. :-)
Jack> ttyl! Have a great week!
hlaser99> You too!
hlaser99> bye!
Jack> Ok Intimus, I'm still here to help you with any questions you may have.
Intimus> I am straight. I feel a bit stuck. I enjoyed our telephone conversation, 3 weeks ago and I though that having coaching on the right KS would help, but so far I am at the same place. Very subtle response to the practice. some tingles in the legs, feeling of well being, sometime a smile. but when I started last November or Dec, I had pelvic rocking, big smile on my face, quite a strong response.
Jack> What's changed in your life since then?
Jack> When did the Echo Effects change? That is, when did your experiences during practice change from the rocking, etc. to the more subtle responses? Early on, or recently?
Jack> BTW, if you don't mind, it'd be great if you'd press the ENTER key every 20 words or so, so I can be reading, then when it's my turn to talk, just end with a period, question mark or exclamation point. Thanks!
Intimus> OK I am quite surprise how I am picked up this quickly.
Jack> That's great! :-)
Intimus> the Echo Effects changed maybe 6 months ago
Jack> Did anything else happen in your life that might've been upsetting, or a health issue or anything?
Intimus> emotionally I am going through a difficult time.
Jack> I'm very sorry to hear that... :-(
Jack> What kind of help and support are you getting for yourself?
Jack> BTW, that can certainly affect the character of the Echo Responses you've been experiencing.
Intimus> I have cleared the virus of HEpatitis C after about a year and half ago after having been ill for many years, so now it's who am I what did I do with my life my health is good
Jack> Those are really good questions to be asking yourself now that you've been able to reclaim your health. What a great opportunity - not necessarily easy at first, though.
Intimus> it is probably the mid life crisis
Jack> What is the big city nearest you?
Intimus> I am aware of some anger
Intimus> I am in London
Jack> k, thanks! I'm sorry to hear about the pain you're going through... are you giving yourself the benefit of professional counseling or therapy yet?
Intimus> I feel that the anger is a block to experiencing in my body levels of joy and pleasure
Jack> I absolutely agree with you.
Jack> That's a great benefit of Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol practice:
Jack> A Distant Early Warning System (or not so distant).
Jack> That change in the character of the Echo Effects lets you know!
Intimus> I am seeing my yoga teacher next week in his capacity as acupuncturist to check my liver any heat,etc
Jack> Ok so you're giving yourself some good support in the physical areas. Now how about this emotional pain (e.g. anger, etc.)? Giving yourself the benefit of any of that kind of help yet?
Intimus> and then I intend to go and see a counselor to deal with that anger, because in the last 3 weeks since we talked it has become obvious that I have to deal with it and I think me booking a session with you was a first step in that direction, taking action
Jack> EXCELLENT!!!
Jack> Way to GROW!
Jack> It takes a LOT of COURAGE to act for your own benefit when you're feeling in such distress - GOOD ON YA taking the steps ANY WAY!
Intimus> another change following the practice if KS is that months ago sex with my wife was greatly improved and now it's not so good
Jack> You see, the Echo Effects are a WONDERFUL BAROMETER that way. This underscores in my view, what I've been saying about how the Echo Effects are our PRIMARY GURU our PRIMARY TEACHER in this way.
Jack> RE: changes in relationship with your wife - yes all the more reason to get some professional assistance, for both of you. You're lucky - you're in London - there are some good people there.
Jack> Let me put the word on the AASECT listserv (preserving your anonymity, of course!) and see what kind of recommendations I might for you in the London area, ok?
Intimus> I don't understand AASEct listserv
Jack> Sorry. Thanks for saying so! Some of the readers may not, either! :-) The American Society of Sexuality Educators Counselors and Therapists http://www.aasect.org/
Jack> They are mostly USA-based, but many operate actively at an international level and so good people outside the U.S. Many of the top authors in adult sexuality belong to AASECT.
Intimus> OK I have had a tel, number for counselor for some days but I hesitated to call him as I did not see him the list of British sexuality counselors
Jack> Yeah it really makes sense for you to work with
Jack> someone who has SPECIFIC training in adult sexuality - you both deserve that.
Intimus> I did check the aasect and that led me to the British section
Jack> Ah! Let me ask the list, they may know somebody good - although not an aasect member.
Jack> I'm drafting the email now. Please send me a reminder email with "Intimus - referral" in the subject line and I'll reply as soon as I get a response from the list, ok?
Intimus> I did check the aasect and that led me to the British section . I am really glad I logged in tonight I wasn't intending to and then suddenly I found myself in the pond
Intimus> ok thanks
Jack> You are VERY welcome!
Intimus> having you all for myself it seems
Jack> :-)
Jack> You are quite welcome. The thing is, you are showing up with the real stuff - the real you - that's what makes it really worth to me, and to the people who will
Jack> read the transcript of our discussion.
Jack> Basically, you are RIGHT ON PROTOCOL, because you have correctly identified an big Emotional Furball and you're doing something about it. That is GREAT!
Intimus> there is one sentence from a past chat which really resonate for me at this stage, it is when you said when the joy or pleasure comes in the pain comes out
Intimus> it feels so good to be here and I am so grateful for your presence and support
Jack> Yeah - it's like
Jack> the old wounds are saying - WOW! There's more LOVE in the neighborhood - please heal ME!
Jack> You are very very welcome, Intimus. You match that by bringing your authentic self to our discussion, and I'm really grateful that you do that.
Jack> and I just want to reiterate as to how EFFECTIVE a BAROMETER the Echo Effects can be - to alert us to those emotional furballs that are saying "Yo! NOW's the time!" :-)
Intimus> yes I now feel more determined in my decision to heal old wounds
Intimus> wow this webchat is a wonderful tool.
Jack> Yep... Be Gentle with Yourself and Your Beloved... Easy Does It. Just take your time, AND get the truly qualified professional help you both deserve.
Jack> Yeah isn't it? Here we are yakking away, and you're in London and I'm on Vancouver Island in British Columbia. WAY cool!
Jack> Miraculous.
Jack> Is there any other question or comment you have for today?
Jack> BTW I just checked, and my request re: London counselor just posted to the AASECT maillist - so about 4,000 counselors and therapists will see it. Maybe somebody knows somebody, ya know? :-)
Jack> You've been doing great!
Intimus> I am happy to go to bed now it's close to midnight and I will return now that I jumped in
Jack> I've extended an offer to all participants that I will give you _free_ phone coaching (my nickel!) on how to post to the Discussion Forum and the wiki. You might want to take advantage of that offer. :-)
Jack> Ok Intimus - sweet dreams! Pls remember to send me that email
Jack> with "Intimus - aasect referral" in the Subject line.
Jack> Ok - well let's deal with that another day, if you don't mind. I've been in channel for 3 hrs 49 min so far so... it's BREAK TIME! :-)
Session Close: Sat Nov 18 15:50:07 2006