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Complete Transcript of Multiple Orgasm Trigger Coaching Chat 0269 Please post YOUR comments AND QUESTIONS in reply... VERY IMPORTANT: PLEASE remember - DO NOT quote the entire transcript in your reply. ONLY quote the segments about which you are specifically commenting... Thanks!
Laly> Hi jack Laly> shall we wait to see if others show? Jack> Sure, if you don't mind... for a few anyway. I would like them to be able to hear/see what you have to say. :-) Laly> kewl- okay Jack> (I'm putting a link from the homepage to the new wiki.) Laly> sweet Jack> Also, have you noticed the shorter links to the wiki now? Jack> No more /index.php/ Laly> yes I did ![]() Jack> At your service. :-) Laly> very very nice Laly> all the hard work is NOT going un-noticed Jack> Thank you! Same to YOU!!! Laly> just finished migrating 2 more of my threads over to wiki Jack> EXCELLENT! I want to set up a chatlink in the leftcol toolbox that we wikiveterans can be there to give people a live tour when we're logged in. Laly> that'd be awesome!! Jack> Thanks! Laly> posted a good note to the newbie today Laly> I for the life of me can't recall his name Laly> flargy??- (apologize in advance if name is wrong) Laly> oh flarkie!! Laly> *blushes Laly> that's it Laly> (had to go look it up) Jack> Yeah I saw the post but didn't get a chance to read it yet. Flarkie must've felt pretty good that someone would care enough to take so much time to reply. Laly> I hope so Jack> Hey Airn, Welcome! airn> hi! Laly> hi airn HUGSS airn> :-D Laly> I just felt his terrific response deserved a nice post jack Jack> For the readers, would you pls (if ok) say generally where you're typing from, age, etc. so they'll have an idea? You too, Laly, please. Jack> Kind of a one- or two-liner. :-) Laly> 35, single, female, been using KSMO for over a year Jack> yeah Laly, it was very thoughtful of you to reply to flarkie. airn> I'm in Michigan airn> 21, college student Jack> Lucky guy to be learning this so young! Jack> How goes your practice? airn> I'm glad I came across it Jack Jack> Me too! Jack> Hey hlaser99 Welcome! Laly> hlaser!! HUGSSSSS airn> hi hlaser! hlaser99> Hey Guys airn> well Jack airn> a couple of weeks ago I had a sort of breakthrough week I think Jack> I laly and airn just checked in with a two-liner for the readers re: where typing from, age, etc. - only what you're comfortable sharing in a public forum. Would you share a bit like that as well please, if you're ok with that? Jack> Oh that's GREAT airn! Hold just a sec for laser to have a chance to post a one or two line intro. Thanks! airn> of course Jack> laser, you ok with that? If not, that's ok too! hlaser99> INtro??? Jack> Just where you're typing from generally, age, marital status if you like, etc. Laly> introduce yourself Jack> just a brief summary. Only if you want to though. Laly> to our lovely group hlaser99> Oh Jack> Oh no thanks, or oh ok? Jack> :-) hlaser99> Divorced, over 50, Orlando, FL Jack> Thanks! Jack> Ok airn, YOU have the Talking Stick! airn> thanks Jack :-) Jack> Pls DO tell us about that breakthrough! airn> well I posted about it in the forum airn> I had my first orgasm directly related to practice Jack> Which conf and topic? Jack> Re: the post. Laly> that is awesome airn!! airn> success stories hlaser99> Great Man! airn> first orgasm in dream airn> further down Jack> It sure is! THANKS! Jack> Please continue. airn> well throughout that week my body kind of went nuts airn> after that day's practice airn> new areas kept awakening airn> throughout the day airn> I would be sitting down, just anytime I was standing still airn> I'd feel something in a new area or a new sensation Jack> The Awakening... (pls continue) airn> I think I practiced once more that week airn> with more of the same airn> so all in all the breakthrough week lasted about a week lol Jack> Not too bad, eh? airn> not at all! airn> since then, results have been more modest airn> I actually wanted to talk a little about the Key Sound, Jack airn> if you don't mind Jack> RE: more modest... Yeah, that's TO BE EXPECTED... Jack> That's INTEGRATION phase. That will often happen Jack> after a move forward like you describe. Like many natural things in life, Jack> it happens in cycles. The thing is, you'll probably start noticing that the BASELINE tends to be higher - Jack> i.e. including the response becoming more accessible to you ON AVERAGE. Jack> RE: The Key Sound, yes please go ahead. airn> okay airn> I've never been too confident in my KS airn> especially the "rolling quality" airn> I don't really know I'm doing it right airn> I read some posts online about the rolling part of the KS airn> and I was wondering the best way to know if you're doing it right (besides echo effects) Jack> As I've mentioned before, the PRIMARY FEEDBACK about that is the quality of your Echo Effects. Jack> Your spontaneous Echo Effects are your PRIMARY guide. Jack> Other than that... Jack> Do you ever play my demo of the Key Sound and then you do one just after (no stim, just the sound practice)? Jack> You can even make a recording of THAT and then listen and compare. airn> I've done that before Jack> Rolling quality is a bit hard to describe in words. Thing is though, my hunch is Jack> that you're getting enough roll at least for now since you ARE getting some outstanding Echoes. Laly> I agree. Jack> Good! Re: my recording question. Jack> Within that there's leeway. airn> okay airn> because when I was doing the recording comparisons airn> I was having a hard time getting it to sound the same airn> so I was wondering if I should be paying more attention to the FEEL of the KS airn> or basically trying to get it to sound closer Jack> You can experiment - exaggerate a little and find out how that affects the Echo Effects. airn> exaggerate? airn> how so? Jack> Experiment making it stronger - check the effects. Then softer - check the effects. Change it in some other way - check again, and so on. airn> oh, okay Jack> That's how I discovered it in the first place! :-) Laly> ![]() hlaser99> Question??? Jack> Based on how you're describing the Echo Effects you ARE having - I'm not concerned, airn. Jack> Certainly laser! hlaser99> now? airn> thx Jack Jack> laser: If airn is finished for now, then yes, now. How about it airn? Jack> That ok? airn> yep Jack> ok! Thanks! We'll come round again if need be. airn> okay hlaser99> Last time we spoke of Grounding... hlaser99> I then got into a situation where I couldn't come back to earth... Jack> For how long? hlaser99> I was in a state of constant low level O for a day Jack> That's not unusual when the response first Awakens. Jack> Typically it doesn't persist. Laly> uh huh. hlaser99> I tried bath, movie , food , etc. Jack> The response WILL tend to be more ACCESSIBLE to you from now on though, most likely. Laly> is also why MMO should not be practiced while driving, Jack> VERY GOOD POINT. Jack> Are you still in that state? Jack> (to laser) hlaser99> No Jack> There's at least part of your answer. Jack> Some perspective anyway. hlaser99> I finally stopped it by inserting an Aneros for about 10 min.??? Laly> wow. Jack> I'm surprised in a way that that grounded you, but due to the nature of the Aneros, I can understand Jack> how it might. That's a new tip! hlaser99> It dissipated almost immediately??? Jack> Wow. hlaser99> Should have done the opposite I guess??? Jack> If you're still having concerns about the all-day recurring, you might just lay off practice for a week or so. Jack> Hey if it worked, it worked! You're intuition guided you there! hlaser99> Don't think so...Jack! Laly> lol- I was typing something to that effect jack Jack> Well what DID guide you there, then laser? Jack> lol - laly :-) hlaser99> Tried everything else, even Advil??? Jack> How are you sure that your intuition - ultimately - did NOT guide you that ( to me "counter-intuitive" ) solution? Jack> Nobody ELSE told you to try it, did they? hlaser99> Intuition? You could be right... Jack> I rest my case. Jack> :-) Laly> *chuckles softly, smiling airn> :-) Jack> We are SO programmed in this culture to NOT trust our intuition - too girlie girl - too woo woo. Jack> We're here to help us all relieve ourselves of THAT burden! Jack> First - congratulations, laser! Laly> I concur!! hlaser99> For what?\ Laly> and to airn as well Jack> And ALSO congratulations for finding your way to a very creative solution! hlaser99> Oh, my first KSMO :"O"... Jack> And for intuiting how to earth the power using the Aneros. hlaser99> Thanks Jack> It's not at all unusual for those kinds of intuitions after our dominant ego-based intellect has tried everything else and given up (i.e., lets go of control enough to let the intuition's whispers be heard and listened to rather than ignored as is too often our custom. hlaser99> I have a fish on the line... Jack> ?\ Jack> What do you mean? hlaser99> The friend is ready to sign up for KSMO... Laly> awesome!! Jack> Cool! hlaser99> One of them??? Jack> them what or who? hlaser99> One of my friends... Jack> That's great! Jack> One challenge with a friend can be to give them enough emotional space to explore it at their own pace. For me I have to monitor Jack> that I don't try to micromanage their practice. :-) hlaser99> True... Jack> Well I hope you'll let your friend know that we're here to help, however we can. Jack> But at your friend's pace. Laly> mine- the challenge is respecting a friend-regarding practice hlaser99> I do tend to get over the top on this??? Jack> Over WHAT top? Sounds to me like you've been there AND BACK. Like whoa how do I get OFF this horse? Jack> Oh I get you now. hlaser99> More like a train??? Jack> Your enthusiasm. Sure. That's why I mentioned what I did from MY experience. :-) Jack> I'd encourage you to let them VOLUNTEER to share the aspects they want to, rather than checking in with them on it. Jack> A suggestion. :-) Jack> It's not always easy! :-) Laly> nope Jack> :-) hlaser99> I'll try??? Jack> Funny you should mention train. Did you ever see Jack> what Ron D., the first guy Jack> every to learn this from me, said in that Jack> interview in the first audio seminar? Jack> BTW he was 53 at the time. Jack> "I called for a cab and a train showed up!" Laly> uh huh hlaser99> Called for a cab and a train showed up... Jack> Yep, that's he described this experience. Jack> He thought he was gonna get a little ride in a cab from this practice. Jack> When the opening happened it came on like a TRAIN! hlaser99> Did the train go thru the tunnel??? Jack> naughty boy. Jack> He was talking about his own experience. hlaser99> Symbolism??? Laly> *falls off chair laughing Jack> The first time in solo practice that the multiorgasmic response awakened! hlaser99> I am always solo, unfortunately! Jack> Translation: His first awakening to this was WAY beyond his expectations - like calling for (expecting) a cab, and train shows up. Laly> when I had my first one of those- I was thinking lil solo 2 engine plane, and got a 747 instead hlaser99> We get it JJ... Jack> Well laser, maybe as you open your heart more, that will change. :-) Jack> re: solo unfortunately. hlaser99> Oh! Laly> re- heart... it will hlaser hlaser99> Not need a mate, you mean??? Jack> Wait til those KSMO's start affecting your emotional heart: HeartgasmsQ! Jack> (without the Q, sorry, typo) hlaser99> Anyone tried the brainsync CDs? Laly> ohh heartgasms- I could spend days talking about them Laly> I did- Monday nite hlaser Laly> OMGG hlaser99> did what? Jack> No I meant that if wanting a mate or a partner is an issue for you, laser, then maybe through this practice you'll be able to allow your HEART as well as the lower regions open to this energy and that might make you more attractive to a partner. Laly> used the ecstasy cd hlaser99> that's it! hlaser99> Jack, I hope so... Jack> [my "No I meant" line was re: laser's "not need a mate" question] hlaser99> good answer, Jack... hlaser99> Laly, did the CD do anything for you? Laly> oh boy DID IT Laly> *grins Jack> Stay tuned lase, and stay connected to this process. If meeting someone is an issue for you, a great idea can be some short-term counseling from a woman sexuality counselor who can help you work with social skills and give you feedback. Jack> http://www.aasect.org/directory.asp hlaser99> It gave me p-waves that lasted a good long while... Jack> The people at that URL are some of the very best. Jack> Yeah re: the p-waves after the Ecstasy CD - Laly> I got p-waves and vibrant energy bands Jack> See? Once the response is AWAKENED it's often available to you as a way to respond to many things in life - Laly> dancing hlaser99> Thanx airn> p-waves = pleasure waves?? Jack> a beautiful sunrise or sunset - a beautiful flower or piece of music - etc. Laly> all within 2 min of starting the cd Laly> yea airn hlaser99> Yes... airn> ok :-P Jack> Yes to which, laser? Jack> :-) Laly> airn's question jack Laly> question hlaser99> right Jack> tnx Laly> and when I shared that cd info with a friend hlaser and he was listening to it Laly> I got the MOST wondrous echos from it hlaser99> I have been doing 20 min. KS and then the ecstasy... Laly> just knowing he was listening Jack> [Did you see my stmt re: once the response is awakened, laser?] hlaser99> ??? Laly> See? Once the response is AWAKENED it's often available to you as a way to respond to many things in life - Jack> about ten lines above, laser. Jack> Starts with the word "See?" Jack> oH thanks Laly! Wow you're FAST on the keybd! hlaser99> Wow! That's beautiful/// Laly> occupational hazard jack Laly> ![]() Jack> Yeah Laly - "emails are like horses - once you let them go - they're hard to get back!" Laly> uh huh airn> hehe Jack> Laser - I'm glad you got that about how available this response can be. hlaser99> Try corn or oats??? Jack> ha ha Jack> ha Jack> ... Jack> :-) Laly> *holds ribs while laughing airn> lol hlaser99> When you're re-wired other facets of life are effected??? Jack> What's your hunch? hlaser99> that's it... Jack> Sounds reasonable to me! hlaser99> Your perspective changes on everything... Jack> Stay tuned... :-) Laly> uh huh hlaser99> or hang-on! Jack> Definitely that too! Jack> It's a frisky pony! hlaser99> What the bleep do we know? Jack> Exactly! hlaser99> Just saw this movie... Jack> Yeah the guy who made lives in the same town I do, in Ashland. Jack> Oregon. hlaser99> No way! Laly> << is confused? Jack> Yeah that's a cool DVD I recommend it! I want to add it to our Bookshelf / Resources area in the wiki when I get it set up. Jack> Way! hlaser99> What the Bleep...movie Jack> Yep. hlaser99> I have seen it several times/... Jack> He was present at the opening at our local theatre, etc. Laly> sorry , not ringing any bells or jibbing with me- sorry hlaser99> The part about re-wiring is interesting Jack> No worries Laly, we'll get it into the Library once I get that going. :-) hlaser99> and peptides Jack> Yep. Jack> It's ALL connected. :-) Laly> mind is KMSO linked right now Laly> now Jack> Oh btw, does anybody have any questions about using the wiki? hlaser99> NetFlix has it Jack> JACK will have it soon! Jack> in the wiki! Laly> kewl hlaser99> how? Jack> you'll see. Laly> not using jack- but when get a chance to let me loose in there - posting and stuff :P hlaser99> I am impressed ... Jack> Didn't quite decode that, laly. Sorry could you rephrase pls? Jack> At your service, laser. Jack> Not bad for 30 bux, eh? Laly> patience jack- on my part Laly> eager to get going in there Jack> mine too, laly :-) Laly> to post and have fun Jack> Yeah! Laly> migrating old forum stuff to wiki Jack> Yeah just don't delete it from the old forum just yet. hlaser99> I am doing a BLOG thingy??? Jack> GREAT!!! Jack> What's the URL? Laly> awesome hlaser99> Reader's Digest version... Jack> I doubt it. Jack> :-) hlaser99> Am I long winded? Jack> I NEVER read THAT kinda stuff in RD author I was looking for it! Laly> can't be as long winded as me hlaser Jack> No worries laser! hlaser99> Amen Sister! Jack> The more you document, the more breadcrumbs for other newbies to follow. Jack> (to laser) Jack> (laly already knows) Laly> just means we have to leave EVEN more bread crumbs jack ![]() Jack> yep. Jack> You're preaching to the choir here, laly - tell laser. Jack> :-) hlaser99> Trying to go from Aneros to KSMO??? Laly> I thought I just did - lol Jack> yep. hlaser99> IN BLOG Jack> FANTASTIC laser!!! hlaser99> Not as easy as it sounds??? Jack> You can always EDIT and in WIKI it's a LOT easier than in the Forum. Laly> uh huh hlaser99> Can you add photos? hlaser99> .jpg Jack> I prefer not. Jack> anonymity. hlaser99> too graphic LOL! hlaser99> Not of me!!! Laly> what kind? Jack> I may create an area for educational photos - but I totally do not want any kind of porn vibe on this site. hlaser99> Never mind??? Jack> laser, what's the URL of your blog in the wiki? hlaser99> Strictly educational, of course! Jack> That's the ticket. hlaser99> URL? Jack> You can submit them to me and I'll check it out re: photos to share. Educational only pls. Jack> RE: URL the one to your blog in the wiki. Jack> or is it in the wiki? Jack> did I misunderstand? hlaser99> Right now it;s in Word on my desktop??? Laly> I don't see one on wiki jack Jack> Ah ok. laser, do you need help in figuring out how to post it in the wiki? hlaser99> I am waiting to build it first... Laly> your post - or wiki page? Jack> Ok - no worries. We're here to help whenever you have questions about how to post it in the wiki. hlaser99> Then I will try to figure out how to cut and past it to the wiki??? Jack> Yeah. We'll help you. But COPY rather than CUT, so if there's a goof you haven't lost your gems. Laly> uh huh Jack> (experience HARD WON!) Laly> that way if post is messed up , you haven't lost anything hlaser99> I meant copy and paste??? Jack> k. Just checkin. :-) Jack> Wikipedia calls it "disambiguation". hlaser99> OK??? Jack> BTW lase, are you typing those 3 ?'s or is it some other character your puter is sending a weird character? hlaser99> Just a habit? Jack> On my screen when you just typed OK there were 3 question marks after it. After many of your lines, but not all. Laly> ahh- ok Jack> It makes editing a REAL hassle. Would you mind dropping it? Jack> It's ok to be DEFINITIVE. hlaser99> Yes, I am guilty of over-emphasizing! Jack> :-) Jack> Well we'll let you off, this time and take it off your record. Laly> just with those ?s - Laly> seems like you are not sure Jack> hence my definitive comment. Laly> not confident- whereas without - Laly> shows confidence , assurance Laly> *blushes- ** is rubbing off on me jack Laly> (sorry) Jack> could do worse, laly :-) Jack> No apology necessary at all! hlaser99> Just an interrogative kind of guy! Jack> You didn't get THAT part from **, Laly! Jack> :-) Laly> oh oh oh - myy poor ribs tonite- sore from laughing so much Jack> Well, if you're wanting to connect with people, and any of that is online, you may want to consider dropping it, laser. hlaser99> **, your Cat? Laly> my counselor hlaser Jack> Laser: It's bothersome to me, and I believe you also received some caring feedback from Laly as well. Laly> *counselor hlaser99> Oh! Jack> Sometimes what feels cure or clever to us may not feel so to others. I still learn that the hard way sometimes! Jack> [cure s/b cute - sorry] Laly> it goes to are you asking us or telling us hlaser hlaser99> ???? hlaser99> Don't Shoot! Laly> those 3 ??? at the end of your comments hlaser99> 4 Jack> All right. That's enough. Jack> Let's drop it. Laly> k Jack> Thanks. hlaser99> I feel all spanked for the nite. Laly> awww you shouldn't HUGSS Jack> It's understandable that you might feel a shame attack. hlaser99> exactly! Laly> I was just trying to explain how others might see them Laly> *just hlaser99> the riddler. Jack> I'd like you to go back and read through what we said, at your convenience, and I hope you'll see that what we were doing was: 1: taking care of ourself. 2: Dealing with you in a sensitive and honest manner. Jack> It's up to you how you care to use that information. hlaser99> Thanks Guys! Jack> You mentioned you'd like to have a partner. It's my hunch that part of that issue is tuning social skills a bit. Laly> your welcome Laly> (an honored to be part of the 'guys' tonite) hlaser99> good! Jack> That's why I mentioned a short-term process with a female sexuality counselor who would also talk straight with you about how you come across, and who can give you support through the shame attacks. Jack> I am personally very familiar with this issue, laser. Jack> Including the shame attack part. hlaser99> What if I don't have shame attacks. Jack> I believe you said you did above. Did I misinterpret that? Jack> I said it's understandable that you might feel a shame attack. and the next line you sent was: exactly! hlaser99> I think you may be mistaking the clown gene I inherited from my Dad... Jack> BS. Jack> imho. Jack> clown gene can be an excuse not to change. hlaser99> If I have to change who I am for a mate, I can stay single. Jack> Ok. That's as deep as I care to go with that, Brother. I think some professional assistance in sorting that out could be VERY beneficial to you, IF you're willing to go into it in good faith. Jack> Well if you're not willing to change at all, then you may wind up that way. Jack> You sound angry. Jack> Ok that's enough. Let's stop on that now, please. Jack> I AM here to help you learn the Protocol and to SUPPORT your getting access to any additional resources that might support your further growth. Jack> Enough said. Imho. hlaser99> We started out so nicely and now you seem like YOU are angry. Jack> I am not. I am setting a boundary. hlaser99> I am fine! Jack> Ok. Laly> BREATHE Jack> Is there anything else anyone would like to discuss this evening? Laly> nope - not nuff time now Laly> that;s ok tho hlaser99> I'm OK. Jack> I'm very sorry about that Laly! Jack> How do you want to handle that, Laly? Do a post about it that we can respond to, or? hlaser99> Me too Laly! Laly> if I post it- then can't respond until I get back Jack Laly> or read responses for that fact Jack> Ok - it's up to you. Posting it in itself might have some therapeutic value for you Laly, as preparation for your trip. Jack> Just a thought. :-) Jack> I hope you have a good trip! Jack> This is to Mexico, right? hlaser99> Me too! Laly> yes jack Laly> and if I post - will open wounds jack Jack> Much Gusto! I hope you have a WONDERFUL time, and we will CERTAINLY miss you!!! Jack> Ah ok. Save it then. Jack> You're on vacation now. Jack> Take a break. Jack> You've worked VERY hard this year, and look at how much you've grown! Laly> wanna leave on a good note - not sad Jack> You betcha! Jack> Way to take care of yourself! hlaser99> I promise not to hog the chat next time! Laly> hlaser -it is ok hlaser99> Stay well! Jack> No worries laser! Sounds like it might've worked out just fine. Laly> just think maybe a fur-ball has cropped up Laly> need to just work it out Jack> You too, laser! THANK you for sharing what you have tonight laser, and I REALLY CONGRATULATE you on your AWAKENING to this new zone of KSMO! hlaser99> thanks! Jack> Laly, might even be BECAUSE you're about to have some fun. Laly> but alone now jack Laly> alone Jack> You're very welcome laser - in both senses of the word. :-) Jack> Laly, even with that, I think you'll be ok. Laly> I hope so- truly Jack> It's my understanding that you have a phone number or two you could call if you needed to. Laly> if my phone works from there Jack> I recommend a bookend with ** b4 you go if that's ok with her. Jack> Somewhere in Mexico there will be a phone that works. Jack> Your cellphone may or may not. If it does it could be WAY more expensive than paying Laly> yeah- just mind noise jack - Jack> for a landline call. Laly> talking right now Jack> A bookend B4 you go might help calm some of that down. Jack> Ok. There ya go! Jack> HUGGSSS Laly! Laly> HUGGS back Laly> HUGS hlaser nite Jack> airn - how you doing Brother? You been pretty quiet for a bit. Laly> HUGS airn airn> oh, hey! hlaser99> thanks Laly, Take good care of yourself! airn> I've been kinda listening and doing homework Laly> *giggles airn> :-P Jack> No worries airn! Laly> oh ya- been there airn Jack> me too. Jack> It's a multi-tasking culture, eh? hlaser99> me too! Jack> I'm glad that you DID make it, tonight though, airn! airn> mmhmm :-) airn> me too Jack> GREAT! hlaser99> Good to meat you aim. hlaser99> meet Jack> Ok everyone, thanks very much for being here. I'll see ya in the wiki and the Forum! airn> likewise airn> okay! Jack> Good night! hlaser99> bye! airn> bye! Laly> nite Jack> bye lase thanks again for being here! hlaser99> nite! Jack> Happy trails Laly! Laly> thanks jack Jack> y/w Laly!!! Laly> just 5 days of nothing Laly> planned Laly> lil scary and exhilarating Laly> same time Jack> Yep - Oh sh*t Thank God! Laly> yeah Jack> Take a journal. Laly> taking my art book Jack> Write a little poetry. Jack> Oh that's GREAT! Jack> TTFN HUGGSSS! Laly> ttfn HUGSSS Session Close: Thu Nov 02 20:08:40 2006 Last edited by Laly; 12th May 2007 at 00:39. |