• Laly, Trigger, hlaser99, biscuit, zietgiest, Marty, and Salty join Jack for a discussion of beginning practice, Aneros, the appropriateness of frequent orgasms, coping with high energy levels, and new experiences with Echo Effects.
• newbie Trigger has experienced problems with a dry throat. Jack suggest keeping a glass of water nearby. Laly suggest ice chips. Jack suggests listening to the Echo Effects for guidance on introducing this during the practice.
• Trigger is also using the Aneros device. Jack suggests, at least in the beginning, not using the Aneros during the practice as it increases stimulation. He encourages Trigger to post his experiences to the Aneros conference in the Forum.
• Biscuit is enjoying nipple stimulation and frequent orgasm to ejaculation. He inquires whether this is too much activity. Laly shares her experiences with this and counsels him to be aware of his body's reactions.
• Jack inquires whether biscuit has had counseling. Biscuit replies that he has. Jack expresses concern that Biscuit appears to have some discomfort with the pattern of behavior he describes and suggests he seek additional counseling.
• Jack and Laly talk about using the Forum as a means of bookending steps in recovery and personal growth.
• zeitgeist reports having a high level of energy and feels the need to take a few days off as a means of grounding.
• Laly describes new spontaneous feelings and awareness during off periods. Jack says the Echo Effects are fractal and continue to open doors.

Session Start: Sat Oct 14 12:02:00 2006
Jack> Hi everyone!
Laly> hi ya jack HUGS.
Trigger> Hi
Jack> Ahoy Saltys!
hlaser99> Yo!
Jack> Hey Lase! Tschuss Zed!
zeitgeist> hallo alles!
Laly> hi ya Z !! HUGSS .
zeitgeist> huggs!!
Jack> Has anybody had a chance to try the near search engine yet?
Laly> I have jack
zeitgeist> yup!
Jack> http://www.multiples.com/sitesearch.html
hlaser99> Yes...
Jack> How did it work for you?
Laly> great- found some really great tidbits - making me cry
Laly> as I read it
Laly> .
Laly> course I ALWAYS cry lol.
hlaser99> Almost too much stuff!
Jack> Please make a NOTE of those great tidbits - EVERYONE... note the link and a few thoughts about it cuz we'll want to link to them from the wiki or even excerpt.
zeitgeist> yeah, I tried it with quote marks for a complete phrase worked well however
Jack> I hear ya laly!
Jack> Re: almost too much stuff... yeah that's the purpose of the WIKI - to help us INDEX
Jack> the content and make it more accessible.
hlaser99> Hi All! I am a newbie to this Chat, glad to be here! Although, I probably will not say much this time out???
zeitgeist> On my hopeless IE6 browser it was way down the page on /sitesearch.html
Jack> Yeah I'm having trouble with the i.e. browser displaying properly, but that's nothing new. Best bet: download Firefox from Mozilla!
Jack> Better security and privacy... some nice features. I just keep IE to play flash stuff on occasion as it seems to handle that better.
zeitgeist> yeah, bout time I ditched ie!
Laly> welcome to chat hlaser.
zeitgeist> welcome lazer!
Trigger> love your posts hlaser on ST, Aneros, and KSMO..
hlaser99> I have used Foxfire for a couple of years now! Like it better...
Jack> No worries Hlaser99 re: not saying much in the beginning... that's totally fine!
hlaser99> Hey Trigger!
Trigger> hey
Laly> k who cares to start off ??
Laly> roflmao.
Trigger> ok
Trigger> just starting
Trigger> two months into Aneros
Trigger> two sessions into KSMO
Trigger> dry throat so far
Jack> Trigger how about a brief intro where typing from age etc. if ok with you... then pls continue.
Trigger> 62 retired and on a sexual discovery quest
Jack> Dry throat... do you have a glass of water nearby during your sessions?
Trigger> plan to next time
Jack> CONGRATULATIONS!!!
Trigger> for the dry throat?
Laly> yes.
Jack> Yeah COMFORT is the PRIME DIRECTIVE. If you're straining or uncomfortable in any way
Trigger> ok
Jack> that may tend to pull your energy and attention away from the AWAKENING of the multiorgasmic response.
Trigger> ok
Trigger> will do next time
Jack> That includes muscle tension too. :-)
Jack> The idea is that you are a vessel that opens to allow the energy to circulate through your entire body as the arousal continues to increase.
Laly> I keep a cup of ice chips nearby
Trigger> you mean to reduce muscle tension
Trigger> relax
Trigger> many recommendations from the aneros.com threads
Trigger> for KSMO
Jack> That's great to hear! Please give my very best to the Aneros Community.
Trigger> ok
Jack> Yes even the people who run the company have long been very supportive of this work.
Trigger> both forums seem very professional
Jack> Thanks very much! :-)
Trigger> and supportive
zeitgeist> amen to that!
Jack> VERY important to me.
Trigger> thanks for your personal support
Jack> You are VERY welcome.
Jack> (breathing...)
Trigger> I look forward to future sessions with ice chips
Jack> LOL.
Laly> .
Jack> Yeah some might say that ice is hot!
Trigger> I now offer the talking stick to the enthusiastic hlaser
Jack> One caution about the ice... I'd wait til before introducing it into the 20 minute practice sessions...
Trigger> ok
hlaser99> Who Me???
Jack> after all... you can explore it ALL of the other time. :-) But for that MAXIMUM of 20 minutes, no more than 3 times a week,
Trigger> and not in the same day as the aneros
Jack> just give this Protocol a chance to introduce you to how your own spontaneous Echo Effect responses will guide you to the higher states.
Laly> ...just I find ice chips less distracting than glass of water
hlaser99> I've been a very bad boy???
Jack> (lol laser)
Jack> Naw... no biggie!
Jack> If it works for you that's great. Just a suggestion.
Jack> Thing about ice is the tendency to tense up in response to the cold - not sure how that might work. The ANSWER IS IN THE ECHO EFFECTS.
Jack> If they over time get stronger - then you might assume green light!
Trigger> ok
Trigger> relax and let go
Trigger> into the Echo Effect dimension
Jack> I just like to caution newbies not to mix in other stuff in the early days - give the actual Protocol a chance to work its magic - just for that 20 minutes.
Trigger> so in the same day is ok?
Jack> And keep in mind that a LOT of the awakening feelings happen BETWEEN practice sessions.
Trigger> yes....in aneros we call the rewiring
Trigger> in KSMO you say Echo
Trigger> neat stuff
Trigger> love it
Jack> Yeah - rewiring - reintegration...
Jack> GREAT to have you here, too... Trigger!
Trigger> thank you
Jack> What kind of Echo Effects have you been noticing?
Trigger> reintegration means its always been there
Trigger> from aneros I get a neat buzzing or whole body buzzing
Trigger> without the aneros
Trigger> just going into or out of sleep
Trigger> electricity
Trigger> shuddering
Trigger> hard to find words for some of this stuff
Trigger> need a glossary
Jack> We're here to write the book!
Trigger> Mayfield is doing a manual and glossary....your should collaborate
Trigger> he strongly supports KSMO
Trigger> KSMO and aneros seem so strongly related
Jack> Very cool! Email me about how I may get in touch. Pls put Mayfield in the subject line. Thanks!
Trigger> ok
Jack> Very definitely related - complementary.
Trigger> yes
Jack> I also do recommend that your 20 minute sessions - at least 2 of the 3 - be done without the Aneros in the beginning
Trigger> I will alternate days in my sexual quest retirement
hlaser99> Mayfield is an old graduate of yours, Jack...
Jack> the reason is that the Aneros _does_ increase _stimulation_ but it's also a great teacher for learning to RELAX.
Jack> I don't recognize that particular handle but look forward to reconnecting!
Trigger> seems like it might be too much stimulation
Biscuit> hello
Jack> Yeah that's why I suggest that for just that 20 minutes... explore just this method... some people think they need to jazz it up a bit - but that's just
Jack> chasing the fawn away.
Trigger> sorry....it seems like the Key Sound would be competing for the aneros attention and be a little disruptive
Jack> I'd also recommend that you don't go straight from the 20 min into another high-energy erotic session e.g. ejaculation or other stuff... give your body a little
Trigger> reward
Jack> breathing room. This is NOT a rule. Just a _general_ guideline. :-)
Jack> We're all grown ups after all - we get to choose. :-)
Jack> Hey Biscuit!!! Welcome back!!!
Laly> hi puzzler hugss.
Laly> hi biscuit.
Trigger> I will have to reread this chat afterwards to make sure I am following correctly
Jack> Welcome puzzler!
hlaser99> Hey Puz!
Jack> you bet all chat transcripts get posted to the Chat Transcripts in the Forum.
Trigger> thanks
puzzler> hi everyone
Trigger> hi
Trigger> I offer the talking stick to others
Jack> BTW Trigger and other Aneros users I hope you'll post your experiences to the Aneros and KSMO Conference in our Forum - it's really really valuable to document the way
Jack> the device and the practice interact.
Trigger> ok
Jack> Ok, thanks Trigger, and again WELCOME!
Biscuit> hi Jack
Laly> I find that forum area QUITE enlightening myself trigger.
Biscuit> Hi everyone
hlaser99> hey
Jack> Hey Biscuit why not introduce yourself a little since it's been a little while. :-)
Trigger> Aneros Laly or KSMO
Biscuit> sure
Laly> aneros thread.
Trigger> ok
Biscuit> I'm 23 year old guy and I have been a member of this site since 2003
hlaser99> I have a little background blurb for whenever???
Jack> sure lase, when we pass ya the Talking Stick. :-)
Jack> pls continue, Biscuit. Thanks.
Biscuit> lots of awesome things I learned with this method
hlaser99> Cool!
Laly> yeah baby!!
Biscuit> I wanted to tell u Jack
Jack> yes?
Biscuit> not long after you spoke with me on the phone
Biscuit> when I was finishing my last semester in college
Jack> yes, pls continue.
Biscuit> My body opened up to the joy of nipple stimulation!
Biscuit> which made my orgasms MUCH MUCH stronger!!
Biscuit> like OH BABY!!
Jack> CONGRATULATIONS!!! Yeah they DO seem to be wired for it - even in GUYS. :-)
Biscuit> LOL
Jack> :-)
Biscuit> not for anymore
Biscuit> me
Biscuit> thing is though
Biscuit> I slight concern
Biscuit> I know the old saying too much of something is not good for u
Biscuit> well
Biscuit> because of this new founded pleasure
Biscuit> rather than waiting a full week to enjoy I good orgasm
Biscuit> like in my old days
Biscuit> I find myself self pleasuring like every 24 hours
Biscuit> sometimes every 12 hours
Biscuit> especially after a Red Bull Energy drink
Laly> may I ask u a ? biscuit
Biscuit> it became somewhat addictive
Biscuit> sure
Laly> re: the self pleasuring -- is that KSMO practice wise or regular orgasming?
Laly> or both?
Biscuit> both
Biscuit> sometimes I just use my nipples
Biscuit> and that alone can make my arousal Skyrocket high
Biscuit> excuse DOES
Biscuit> make my arousal sky rocket
Laly> I know exactly that feeling myself.
Biscuit> its awesome
hlaser99> I use it too!
Biscuit> my orgasm frequency is no longer determined by how much ejaculate I have
Biscuit> but by my nipples
Biscuit> thing is I enjoy it too much I think
Jack> what leads you to that conclusion?
Biscuit> that what I want to ask
Biscuit> is it ok
Laly> if I may answer jack?
Biscuit> my orgasms are with ejaculation
Jack> Yes please, Laly.
Jack> Thanks!
Biscuit> of course but now with nipple stim I can enjoy it a LOT more
Laly> takes deep breath and releases
Jack> share check share, laly.
Jack> stop when _you_ choose. :-)
Laly> is not THAT jack- just am getting some really strong Echo feelings from this chat room
Laly> am tingling all over
hlaser99> Damn, give me some of what she's having???
Laly> if you are not in discomfort
Laly> in ANY way biscuit
Jack> [BTW, I think it's good to feel good while we're here. I also personally require and for all of us an agreement from all of us not to amp those feelings during these sessions.]
Jack> pls continue. :-)
Laly> whether in practice or by ejaculating
Laly> as long as they are not done in relatively back to back sessions
Laly> as jack has mentioned before.
Biscuit> ok
Biscuit> I guess what I'm trying to say is can too much ejaculation orgasm cause physical damage
Biscuit> or even lead my off the KSMO protocol?
Laly> imho - no
Biscuit> think I drink too much coffee
Laly> what do you think about that biscuit?
Laly> if you feel that it may lead you off KSMO
Laly> at any point
Laly> that I think is a good indicator to step back , breathe
Biscuit> to be honest no I don't feel it has led me off KSMO
Biscuit> I was more concerned with physical damage from too much ejaculation orgasms
Biscuit> I admit sometimes my PC muscle does cramp up and tire out
Laly> I have not heard of too much regarding that
Biscuit> and that's when I take a break
Biscuit> but at times I can go over and over again
Laly> great- way to be aware of yourself!
Biscuit> even with ejaculation
Biscuit> thank God he made man with nipples LOL
Laly> < is blushing
Laly> and laughing
Biscuit>
Laly> re: the physical damage question
Biscuit> yes?
Laly> may I relate my personal experience with that
Biscuit> ok
Laly> for 16 yrs,nightly I would make myself orgasm at least 6 times before I felt I could sleep
Laly> so I don't think it is the physical damage, but more emotional or physiological (sp) aspects
Biscuit> oh
Laly> but I am speaking from an abuse background as well biscuit.
Biscuit> did u feel any emotional or physiological damage?
Laly> emotionally yes
Laly> and yes on the other as well
Biscuit> so the orgasms u felt were also causing these bad emotions?
Laly> in part
Biscuit> I c
Laly> with KSMO
Laly> I found myself enjoying sex
Laly> again
Laly> orgasming
Laly> for pleasure
Laly> not because I HAD to
Biscuit> I guess one emotional damage that haunts me is that I'm doing this KSMO all by myself
Biscuit> I don't have a partner
Laly> as am I biscuit
Biscuit> yeah it sucks
hlaser99> Amen!
Laly> but I do look forward to the day that I can share this awesome experience with my lover
Jack> What are you willing to do about it?
Biscuit> I know I would get much more intense results
Biscuit> lol
Jack> My ? was for each of you.
Jack> And laly maybe you might share what _you_ have been doing about it.
Laly> jack, as you know I have recently started counseling for that
Laly> and made some really awesome progress thus far
Jack> yes, I do know - but was thinking maybe Biscuit and others did not. :-)
Biscuit> Well I have been taking hydroxycut to lose a few pounds and run around the block like nuts Jack
Biscuit> so I can make my sex appeal more appealing
Laly> is not easy discussing my private thoughts
Biscuit> also thinking about going into modeling BUT
Jack> Welcome Marty and JB!
Laly> hi ya marty HUGS
Biscuit> I guess well have to see how that goes lol
Laly> 1 step at a time biscuit
Jack> Laly be sure to ONLY share what you feel ok about sharing. The most important thing you can be practicing right now is YOUR right to choose.
Marty> hey sweets Hugs
Biscuit> I know
Marty> Thx Jack - better late than never right?
Biscuit> I'm not jumping too much on that one
Laly> I know jack
Jack> Just want you to know that I support that.
Laly> all I meant was- be patient with yourself biscuit and you ll be amazed
Marty> also mention how difficult it feels to talk
Laly> at what is shown before you.
Jack> Biscuit have you ever got any counseling for yourself?
Biscuit> yes
Jack> how did it go?
Biscuit> well some part ok but for the other
Jack> Do you live in a big city?
Biscuit> I discovered something about myself
Jack> What is that, Biscuit?
Biscuit> nothing crazy but I don't think I will say in here
Jack> Ok. That's fine. Like I said to Lalyk,
Jack> YOU get to CHOOSE.
Jack> That's VERY important. My concern about the pattern you were describing
Jack> is that you are reporting some apparent discomfort or concern about it,
Jack> and I'm also wondering if the kind of pleasure you are seeking e.g. social pleasure,
Jack> may not be found in the activities you are currently reporting.
Jack> You don't have to answer this, but if it's ok to say, what's the biggest city near you?
Biscuit> Las Cruces
Jack> how far?
Biscuit> 45 min drive
Biscuit> I'm currently living in Alamogordo NM
Biscuit> and its a dead town
Biscuit> mostly for the retired
Jack> k... thanks. Would you pls send me an email with Biscuit in the subject line so I'll have your current email?
Jack> r.u. still in the mil?
Biscuit> right now
Biscuit> ?
Jack> thanks.
Laly> whew.
Jack> It seems to me that it could be productive for you to explore some of these issues with a counselor - get some
Biscuit> my need a psychologist
Biscuit> or therapist
Jack> help sorting through some of the OTHER stuff going on that may tend to push you or lead you repetitive sex as the only solution.
Marty> lucky you have jack
Biscuit> right now I'm just trying to find my career job and leaving Alamogordo
Jack> Thanks marty, but Jack is here to help people with KSMO and to SUPPORT their getting the professional counseling they need to deal with the deeper stuff. eh laly? :-)
Biscuit> maybe buy a house
Laly> I agree biscuit- I only wished I hadn't put it off for so long- regarding counseling.
Biscuit> me too
Laly> yes jack- so right .
Laly> and the support of my fellow KSMO members is phenomenal as well.
Laly> *tears up .
Jack> And I DO as always want to give you a LOT of support and encouragement Biscuit to continue using _effective_ counselors to help you further empower yourself socially and professionally.
Jack> And I really appreciate your checking back in!!!
Jack> I'd like to go ahead now and offer the Talking Stick to whomever would like to go next, would that be ok?
Biscuit> yes
Biscuit> don't mean to be rude but I have too head out
Laly> glad you came today biscuit
Biscuit> need to finish my online application for Edward Jones
Biscuit> and my Resume
Jack> I also want to take this opportunity to once again post the contact info for the BEST starting place to get help in locating a counselor who has SPECIFIC TRAINING in adult sexuality developmental issues.
Biscuit> ok
Jack> http://www.aasect.org/
Biscuit> can u e-mail me the link?
Jack> Even for people reading this who may be outside the U.S., AASECT can often give help in locating a credible competent ethical referral network in your homeland.
Jack> Yes B, in reply to the e you sent. :-)
Biscuit> ty
Biscuit> I'll check in the chat room when I get a chance
Biscuit> most of the time I'm working online with Ebay or other situations
Jack> yw! :-) btw I haven't seen the email from you yet. Yes please DO use the chatroom to do what we call BOOKENDING. Laly, you care to give a short riff on how that works?
Biscuit> but I'm glad I was able to make it to this one
Jack> Yeah I'm glad you were too. It's GREAT to hear from you again!!!
Laly> sure jack=
Jack> I'm VERY glad that you feel comfortable checking back in here every so often. That is VERY COOL, Biscuit. Thanks!
Jack> Ok Ms. Laly,
Jack> .
Biscuit> always good to report something new lol
Laly> for me - I write out a post on how I am feeling at that particular moment
Laly> share how I feel, what I've experienced thus far .
Laly> i.e. for example - how my counseling is going
Jack> [i.e., using the Forum as a blog :-) ]
Laly> yes .. a blog of sorts.
Biscuit> oh
Jack> [btw the new wiki will make it way more blog-like]
Jack> [as one of the option/features... pls continue :-) ]
Laly> I blog my steps I took- the 1st call - which was hard.
Laly> I share what is in my heart.
Laly> plain and pure and simple- to the point.
Laly> my fears, joy,
Laly> revelations.
Laly> how I am 'outside my comfort zone'
Laly> a uniquely curious and some what frightening situation
Laly> and how I am taking a leap of faith in myself
Marty> bookending is not only about blogging tho ,,,?
Laly> no it is not marty
Biscuit> I'll look into it
Laly> is also about getting feedback from jack and you all as well.
Jack> Some people such as Laly and others use the Forum as a way to bookend steps in recovery and personal growth.
Biscuit> I c
Biscuit> I'll have to see
Biscuit> once I get out living on my own
Jack> As Laly can attest - some steps, such as going thru the hassle - and it usually IS A HASSLE - to find a competent counselor.
Laly> for me - is like a personal journal
Biscuit> I'll most likely go with therapy
Biscuit> or so
Biscuit> yes
Laly> one you can feel comfortable with
Biscuit> yes
Jack> Counselors are also very good for helping you DURING THE TRANSITION of getting out on your own. Properly trained and clinically-supervised counselors are GREAT ALLIES
Biscuit> well I gotta head off now
Biscuit> sorry
Laly> have a great day biscuit HUGSS.
Jack> at helping us get from one developmental stage to the next e.g. getting out on one's own... developing social skills that will empower one to meet potential partners, and develop a supportive network of friends, etc.
Marty> good luck bisc
Biscuit> ty all
Biscuit> HUGSS to u too
Biscuit> tc
Jack> That's fine Biscuit. Real glad to hear from you again. Take care. Feel free to blog / bookend your steps in getting your own place and locating a competent counselor!
Jack> Laly, thanks VERY MUCH for sharing your story today!
Marty> aww I missed it!
Laly> *tears up yet again - w jack
Laly> yw
Jack> :-)
Laly> it will be in forum chat link marty
Marty> yep
Jack> Ok! Who'd like the Talking Stick?
zeitgeist> if I may...
Laly> sure z
Jack> Yes pls!
zeitgeist> ...before I time out - I'm on clockwork dialup here..
zeitgeist> Firstly I was *astonished* by what Laly said about the energy in the room... I felt it too....
Jack> Whoa thanks for letting us know about the t/o issue!
zeitgeist> if you'd had said something like this 9 months ago, I would had a hard time believing it...
zeitgeist> [no probs] :-)
Laly> I have this for every chat z-
Laly> am 'floating' right now
zeitgeist> well laly, I'm new to this...
Jack> People are also reporting Echoes when they read the Forum!
zeitgeist> I have a high level of energy and
zeitgeist> I'm trying too keep grounded!
zeitgeist> I understand what Jack says about amping...
Laly> yep
zeitgeist> I'm not of course...
zeitgeist> but understand this mutual connexion
Jack> Yeah warm baths are one of my fave ways to earth the power.
hlaser99> please explain amping?
zeitgeist> basically doing the Key Sound with feeling!
Jack> [good ? lase!]
Jack> Could you pls say a little more about that z?
zeitgeist> I'm going to take a few days off cos of the high energy
zeitgeist> sure...
zeitgeist> [please correct where necessary btw!
zeitgeist> at a certain level of doing the protocol...
zeitgeist> ... you get high energy feelings circulating round the body...
zeitgeist> the FULL body...
zeitgeist> and its easy to encourage them by
zeitgeist> concentrating on them...
zeitgeist> and circulating the energy still further
zeitgeist> so there is an accumulating, snowballing effect.
zeitgeist> ... well, that's how it is for me anyway.
zeitgeist> the feelings are
Jack> [ Sorcerer's Apprentice Effect? :-) ]
zeitgeist> yes!
zeitgeist> like q in a tuned circuit if you are familiar
Jack> Care to explain how for those who may not be familiar with the reference?
zeitgeist> sure
Jack> was re: sorcerer but also the q effect, professor! :-)
zeitgeist> the apprentice of the sorcerer
Jack> my favorite way of ahem spelling the word btw.
zeitgeist> gets hold of the wizards book full of spells
zeitgeist> (spell checker is rubbish at this end ;_0
Laly> no worries z.
zeitgeist> and does all the spells (geddit!)
Jack> [ re: spellckr: thank God I love what the SUBconscious has to teach us!]
zeitgeist> but it soon gets out of hand as
zeitgeist> the spells take on a life of their own
zeitgeist> and of course, the apprentice is not yet competent to
zeitgeist> REVERSE the effects of the spells
Jack> [ or Earth the Power ... ]
zeitgeist> to the whole situation compounds out of his competence...
zeitgeist> UNTIL the sorcerer returns just in time...
Jack> [ on a GOOD day... ]
zeitgeist> and puts everything back to normal [lol!]
Marty> wahoo...
zeitgeist> where was I?
zeitgeist> 8-P
Laly> describing amping.
Marty> I dunno man but I like the story
Marty> lol
hlaser99> I think I saw this movie???
Laly> is a Disney movie- mickey mouse
hlaser99> Right!
Laly> is apprentice.
zeitgeist> yeah, I think there was a Disney version
Jack> yes that's the one!
Jack> Fantasia!
Jack> Wasn't it?
Laly> yep
Marty> ehm anyone need some grounding???
hlaser99> Great Sound track!
zeitgeist> SUBconcious... love it!
Jack> ;-)
Laly> not me marty- love that I am flying right now .
zeitgeist> I'm still grounding...
Jack> Different flights have different schedules Marty... :-)
Marty> sure thing
Laly> well- haven't actively practiced KSMO in a few months
zeitgeist> I'm not used to the level of energy right now, hence the few days off to consolidate...
hlaser99> Thought this was too much Starbuck's???
zeitgeist> I'm trying to keep the Wwaves DOWN!
zeitgeist> can you believe THAT???
Jack> Yeah VERY GOOD ROLE MODELLING ZED re: taking days to consolidate!
zeitgeist> yeah; sometimes one has to go back to go forward.
Jack> Well if you're TRYING to KEEP them down... hmmm not sure that might be the more productive approach.
zeitgeist> I'm taking time off to go on.
Jack> yeah!
Laly> KSMO can awaken that same caffeine related energy spike and wane hlaser
Jack> Now THAT makes PERFECT sense to me Z!
Marty> so is amping recycling and resonating and cultivating or amplifying energy as you KSMO
Marty> ?
zeitgeist> lots of paradoxes in the KSMO practice
Laly> amping energy
Jack> Intention.
Jack> Intentionally increasing.
Marty> yes ok
Laly> thus the 'force' issue jack warns of in the pdf file
Jack> RE: The KSMO energy... Ok only when there's mutual informed adult consent.
hlaser99> Amplifying your sexual energies until your no longer grounded???
zeitgeist> I checked back, sure I said trying - whoops!
Laly> in a sense hlaser , yes.
Jack> Yeah it goes to that chasing the fawn issue, imho.
zeitgeist> anyway, apart from my few days off, that's me done...
Jack> Enjoy the days off Z!
Jack> What a concept!
zeitgeist> ??
Jack> ??
Jack> re:??
Laly> re: chasing the fawn z
zeitgeist> concept of..
zeitgeist> ?
Jack> concept of taking days off!
zeitgeist> aha!
Laly> .
Jack> enjoying them...
Jack> not expecting anything (hah! the hard part?)
zeitgeist> yeah; who'd have thought it! I WILL*
Jack> just being OPEN to them when they might happen to appear.
zeitgeist> yeah!
Laly> yep and then WOW it happened jack .
zeitgeist> who knows.... ;-)
zeitgeist> as and when...
Jack> yep!
Jack> Ok... What's next?
zeitgeist> ty all for your posts an' help!
Jack> You are VERY Welcome!!!
Laly> yw z
Jack> Thank YOU for ALL of the energy and care you bring to this community Z!
Laly> well- in regards to what you were just discussing jack
zeitgeist> YW"!
Jack> :-)
Jack> Yes, laly?
Laly> about not expecting anything on days off
Laly> well this past week
Laly> I have been having what I can only describe as valley breathing
Laly> sessions
Jack> spontaneous or intentional?
Laly> spontaneous
Laly> body signaling
Laly> or initiating
Jack> k thanks... pls go on...
Laly> ty- well since I didn't know much about the VB technique
Laly> in relation to KSMO
Laly> I deferred my experiences at the time with Drew
Laly> as I was having them at the time
Laly> thing is= it was totally only felt on my left side
Laly> energy wise
Laly> then up to the brain and back down
Marty> way weird
Jack> way NEW.
Laly> yeha marty
Marty> sure
Laly> one of those HMM things jack mentioned to make note of
Marty> go on most interesting
Marty> yea
Laly> and at the mid point I felt that I had shifted to a 2nd awareness
Laly> that was 2 people
Laly> the physical person and then the spiritual
Laly> one
Laly> was aware of both
Marty> hmmm indeed
Laly> did not panic
Marty> you felt afraid?
Laly> not - more curious than afraid
Laly> afraid
Laly> my heart energy was so open at that point
Laly> I just kept valley breathing slowly
Laly> and felt the two then merge again in a few minutes
Laly> a subtle shift
Laly> to describe it for you- like in the shower , water cascading down
Laly> gentle and very calming
Laly> *takes deep breath
Jack> Whew... very sweet ...
Laly> anyway- when I came out of that , was extremely calm
Laly> and very centered inside
Marty> mmm wow sounds great
Jack> Wow just reading that really mellowed me!
Laly> at peace
Laly> thanks jack
Marty> tanks for sharing
Jack> That's a real gem, Laly.
Laly> yw- I just wanted to share that even we adepts can still have new experiences
Marty> sounds like a really wonderful and enjoyable experience
hlaser99> Had a happy ending!!
Laly> it was.
Marty> hehe yes - life has more mysteries lol
Jack> LOL for SURE! The Echo Effects of this practice are FRACTAL... they just keep opening doors beyond doors,
Jack> and yes... mirrors within mirrors... :-)
Marty> expansion thru expansion
Marty> problems salty?
Jack> May we pass the Talking Stick to Marty or JB if they'd like?
Salty> yes!
Laly> sure I am done
Salty> We were lost outside the room
Salty> but now were back
Salty> .
Jack> Or Saltys! OMG you're THERE and not just logging! :-)
Laly>
Jack> Who'd like to check in next please?
Marty> ok . well I just came to share in .. and enjoy whats going on
Marty> I have nothing to share really
hlaser99> I feel like I can check in but never leave???
Laly> I feel same was hlaser
Laly> way
Laly> a part of me will always be 'here'
hlaser99> You are a trip Laly!
Jack> Well Marty you've been sharing some great energy any way. Your humor and strength of personality really shine through! :-)
Jack> LOL laser re: checkin.
Laly> aww thanks hlaser
Marty> thanks Jack it is always great to hear you guys
Jack> JB you still out there?
Laly> wait til I get to finishing jacks statements .
Laly> lol.
Jack> lol!
hlaser99> Who's on first???
Laly> (jack and I sometimes are on same wave length)
hlaser99> Indeed!
Laly> makes for interesting chat sometimes
zeitgeist> Jimmy you there?
hlaser99> Where's the confounded bridge???
Marty> well I dunno bout you guys but I am beat
zeitgeist> wavelength... we're back to the Q!
Marty> had a hard day today and will have another tomorrow
Marty> What was this about Q??
Laly> aww marty= sorry to hear that
Jack> No worries, Marty - VERY glad you made it today!
Laly> do take care of yourself marty
Marty> yeas it was good to hear/read you again
Jack> Z what about Q?
zeitgeist> VERY quickly...
Marty> aww sweets thanks I will
Marty> no rush from my oint
Marty> point of view
zeitgeist> a tuned circuit is in all radios...
Marty> I might fall asleep lol
zeitgeist> made up of two components...
zeitgeist> connect up to a few volts...
Marty> capacitor an silicon chip
Marty> go on
Jack> lol
zeitgeist> and the circuit circulates many THOUSANDS of volts within the circuit
zeitgeist> circulates
Marty> hmmm wow
zeitgeist> bZZZt!
Laly> hmmm ....likes where this is leading
Marty> lol
zeitgeist> like the energy within the body circulating...
Jack> HOW does it do this?
Jack> what pumps the energy in the circuit?
zeitgeist> the impulse of volts from outside 'kickstarts' the circulating volts
Jack> like the single touch of stimulation...
Jack> zzzt.
zeitgeist> YUP!
zeitgeist> exactly
Jack> Note he said a FEW volts.
Jack> :-)
zeitgeist> like helping a flywheel along, exactly the same
Laly> I did jack
Jack> A SINGLE touch or caress. :-)
zeitgeist> YUP!
Marty> Q is the name of the circuit???
Jack> yes flywheel was already on my keyboard when you typed it!
zeitgeist> Q is the 'quality of the effect
zeitgeist> but we don't need to go there.
Marty> ahhh answers .. ok thx
Jack> Degree of RESONANCE... IN THE GROOVE. :-)
Marty> sure
hlaser99> Wow! You dudes are from electro ville!
zeitgeist> BA DA BING!
Jack> How DO engineers do it?
Jack> LOL!
Marty> that's what I don't got lol resonance
zeitgeist> I couldn't spell engineer...
zeitgeist> now I are one!
zeitgeist> (very old joke!)
Jack> very.
Jack> ;-)
Jack> Marty did you experience an answer?
hlaser99> Is that code for an Orgasm??
Marty> yes thanx similar in description to whats was spoken of be4
Marty> hihih I think so laser
Jack> For me the analogy represents learning how to ALLOW your conscious mind
Jack> to relax enough and for it then to allow your body to relax enough that
Jack> with the practice of the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol you will tend
Jack> to learn how to get more and more in tune - into resonance - with the use of the
Jack> gentle unforced unhurried Key Sounds to gently nudge the voltage higher - our body
Jack> when given half a chance knows right where we want to go - provided our conscious
Jack> mind can loosen control enough to let it happen.
Laly> uh huh
Jack> As you start to get in the grow, that's when that amplification or flywheel effect
Jack> starts happening and the Echo Effects may ramp up or even surge in intensity... then back down
Jack> for while... then often by surprise back up again yet in another new way.
Marty> right is where I am seriously stuck
Marty> but now I need to sleep so gooday y'all chat with ya later
hlaser99> Bye Marty!
Marty> hugs laly - thanks guys bye now
Jack> Yeah Marty I frequently say the greater challenge is not between the legs,
Jack> it's between the ears.
zeitgeist> Nite nite!
zeitgeist> marty!
Marty> lol have heard something like that be4
Marty> ok bye
Jack> Cheers Marty! I hope you'll make it back soon, and stay in touch thru the Forum!
Marty> thanks I will you have made me more interested today
Jack> Wow what great inner-ji in the chat today!
zeitgeist> you are telling me!
hlaser99> As in Ji-whiz???
Jack> Sure CAN be... and THEN some!
Jack> JimmyBuffet do you care to check in today? Say hi?
Jack> And Saltys? How are you two doing?
Laly> sorry, had to get something to munch on
Laly> supper time here
Jack> Yeah I understand that! No worries.
zeitgeist> Well, I think its time I made a move...
Jack> Well if there's nothing from JB or the Saltys (unfortunately... but I respect people's option to share or just hang out with us!)
Jack> Which direction?
Jack> Thanks for being here today z!
zeitgeist> to retire, for a hot cocoa
Laly> mmm sounds good z
zeitgeist> TY", I'm really glad I could make it tonight...
Jack> I was just typing the SAME thing!
Jack> that laly typed!
zeitgeist> haha!
Laly> oh oh- jack and z on same wavelength today
zeitgeist> I couldn't make it the last time...
Laly>
Jack> We need to perfect the formula for cybercocoa.
zeitgeist> :-)
Jack> Big HUGS to everyone who wants 'em!
zeitgeist> ha! yeah, Huggsss!
Laly> HUGSSS
zeitgeist> glad to see you too laly
Jack> Have a great week... I'm gonna keep pluggin away on tweaking the search engine and getting
Laly> same here z
Jack> the wiki up and running (I hope - no response from tech supp today yet dang it)...
zeitgeist> yes, jack, I'll be thinking of you under the search engine...
hlaser99> Good Luck on that...
Jack> Thanks Z!
Jack> Thanks lase!
zeitgeist> come up for air sometime eh?
Jack> You bet!
Jack> EVERYBODY PLEASE...
Jack> when using the search engine,m
Jack> EVERY time you find a post you like PLEASE
Jack> write down the URL and some notes about the segment
Jack> that moved you so we can INDEX that nugget in the wiki!
Laly> u bet I will jack
zeitgeist> yes! I realize I should have done this from the very beginning...
Jack> Thanks Laly!
Jack> Yeah me too, Zed LOL!
zeitgeist> 20/20 hindsight is truly a wonderful thing...
Jack> Hey a good phrase to search on is "what's it feel like" I think that's the one. Hold on a sec.
Laly> yes
Laly> that is one you have there now
zeitgeist> yup!
zeitgeist> the one I 'tamered with...'
zeitgeist> tampered
zeitgeist> with the current forum look.
Laly> am reading one regarding old chat archived
Jack> k cool!
hlaser99> Well guys I am calling it a nite???
Laly> that is promising
Jack> Yeah lase!
Laly> me to hlaser , am starving here lol
zeitgeist> Nit nite laser!
Jack> Glad to hear it laly! Please note anything that needs to be cleaned up or edited or whatever.
hlaser99> See you next time???
Laly> I will
Jack> YEAH lase!@
zeitgeist> possibly...
Laly> yes hlaser= I will be here
hlaser99> good!
Jack> You are the VERY BEST - you wonderful friends!
zeitgeist> d'ohhh..
Laly> then is off to next counseling session
Jack> Take care... take it easy... and ENJOY it!
Laly> back at ya jack!! HUGSS
Jack> Yeah bookend a go go eh Laly! You ROCK, Girl!
zeitgeist> yeah, good luck with it laly...
Jack> bye til next time...
Jack> JJ
Session Close: Sat Oct 14 14:45:58 2006

gold nugget

great discussion of echo effects and what they could be.

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Old forum threads of mine :
http://tiny.cc/KOx0x - shy newbie
http://tiny.cc/mt9sd - letting go of anger
http://tiny.cc/wR7Hb - multiple orgasm success-insight

I read this in a book today "You never know how much courage you have until you face your greatest fears head on".