• Maxmo, Magnagei, Laly, Drew, Shiva, and Smithie join Jack for a discussion on Echo Effects, preparing for a KSMO session, benefits of practice off days, manifesting Echo Effects in public, and the personal importance of the KSMO protocol.
• Maxmo, who has been practicing for a year, reports excellent progress with strong Echo Effects.
• newbie Magnagei questions where to direct his attention during practice. Drew suggests being aware of the feelings and imagining them amplifying and spreading to other areas of the body. All agree that allowing rather than forcing is the key.
• Magnagei inquires why he experienced strong Echoes after feeling sad. Jack replies that this is because he was allowing himself to feel.
• Magnagei then inquires whether there is anything the participants do to prepare for a practice session. The answers include meditating, music, and relaxing.
• Magnagei asks about semen retention. Jack suggests not masturbating on practice days and says with agreement from Shiva that the biggest breakthroughs often come on days between practice sessions.
• Smithie reports spontaneous Echo Effects in response to beauty. A discussion follows on the appropriateness of manifesting Echo Effects in public.
• Magnagei asks how important the Key Sound and the protocol is for the participants. Drew identifies it as a way to get in touch with your body. Maxmo sees it as a way to explore what possibilities are open to him. Jack sees it as his life's work.

Session Start: Sat Sep 16 11:57:08 2006
Jack> Hi Laly! How about we wait a little to give others a chance to arrive?
Laly> SURE
Jack> tnx brb.
magnagei> hi!
Laly> hi mag
magnagei> this is my first time in chat, how are you all?
Laly> welcome mag and I am fine
magnagei> thanks
Laly> is there anything jack or I can help u with today?
magnagei> I feel like I have so many questions
magnagei> jack are you here now?
Jack> Hi mag - Welcome
Laly> you came to the right place for answers.
magnagei> thanks, and hi
Jack> Would you pls
Jack> tell us a little about yourself - generally of course - for anonymity -
Jack> but whatever you're ok sharing
Jack> e.g. re: gender, marital status, age
Jack> orientation, how long practicing the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol, etc.
magnagei> sure...I'm 21, about to turn 22 in a month, I just started massage therapy school, I am a male, unmarried, actually I've never had sex or a girlfriend
magnagei> I'm straight, and I've had the MMO program for about 2 years now, but I've only been practicing seriously for about a month and a half
magnagei> hows that?
Jack> That's great! Where
Jack> are you typing from, generally?
magnagei> New jersey
Jack> Yo Joizee!!!
magnagei> haha
Jack> ;-)
Laly> LOL
magnagei> even I'm getting tired of this place
Jack> I hear the west NJ has some nice areas. zat so?
magnagei> to be honest I don't really know, the only time I've been in west jersey is to travel to Philly
magnagei> hi maxmo
maxmo> hi
Laly> hi maxmo-mag was just introducing himself to the chat
Jack> BTW, there's a subset of people who have got involved with this practice who've done the same thing you have... kinda waited til
Jack> the time in your life felt more right -
Jack> that subgroup has usually done quite well with it. :-)
magnagei> yea...I guess that's a good way of putting it, I just never really got into practicing, plus buying the Key Sound training seminar helped me a lot
Laly> hi drew
Drew> Hi Laly.
magnagei> hi drew
Laly> if I may jack? introduce myself to mag and others
Drew> Hi Magnagei
Jack> Welcome maxmo! Hey Drew! We're talking with chat-newbie magnagei 21 y.o. single guy from NJ.
Drew> OK, thanks!
Jack> Yes pls laly! u2 drew, then magmo... Once around the block with intros. :-)
Laly> ok - 35, single ,female - been practicing for over 1 1/2 years
Drew> That long already?
Laly> close nuff drew - lil over year
Laly> feels like forever tho
Jack> :-)
Jack> How about you Drew?
Drew> Male, 45, single, practicing for... How long is it now, Jack?
Laly> 13 year- 16 years something like that
magnagei> WOW
Drew> Twelvish, I think.
Jack> 1995 OR 1996 we'd
Jack> need to check the early chat transcripts. BTW everyone,
Jack> ALL of the past coaching chat transcripts are in the Forum -
Drew> I think I began in 1995... So, more like elevenish!
Jack> from 1995 on. Over 255 now. :-) Drew was there pretty much from the git.
Laly> STILL long time drew
Jack> And he CONTINUES to bring a GREAT DEAL to this community, eh Laly? :-)
Laly> oh yeah!!!
Drew> Aw, shucks!
Laly> very supportive
magnagei> wow, you guys really want people to learn this skill, that's so cool!
Jack> BTW, Drew... THANK YOU for introducing Laly to our community!
Drew> I wonder where some of our peers from the last decade are now?
Drew> YW, Jack!
Laly> << is blushing now
Jack> Enjoying themselves and their loved ones, I hope, Drew. :-)
Jack> How about you maxmo? Welcome!
maxmo> I'm a senior male, chatted here as novice a year ago. I've practiced and become pleasantly "adept" I think.
Jack> EXCELLENT NEWS!!!
Drew> COOL!
Laly> whistles and cheers
Jack> magnagei, would you consider passing the Talking Stick to maxmo so he can share the News? Then you can have it back so we can check in with you. OK?
magnagei> sure
Jack> Thank you. Ok maxmo... if you would please. :-)
maxmo> OK. I kept practicing the Key Sound protocol, with some results, but rather abruptly after about six months, my results changed markedly.
maxmo> One day I discovered that the Key Sound can be quite relaxed and quiet... it seems to be the resonance or huskiness of the first part, but more important is the final, descending tone.
maxmo> It seems to drive that resonance down into the genital region. I now can "help" drive it down there, through manipulation of certain muscles. It would be hard to describe, though.
Jack> I hear you!
maxmo> After a small number of Key Sounds, I start to get spasms which I can encourage.
Jack> How do you encourage them?
maxmo> They turn into the thrusting sensations that accompany an orgasm.
Jack> Orgasm or ejaculation?
maxmo> At some point, I hold the penis, index finger on end, thumb on head and other three fingers wrapped loosely around. No stroking or anything.
maxmo> Well, previously I hadn't separated the two...
maxmo> Penis is so sensitive by that point, that just holding it encourages the spasms to build beyond anything I've ever experienced.
maxmo> Often a spasm will reach its peak strain and hold for a few seconds of delight.
maxmo> One form of "encouragement" seems to be to try to relax part way through a spasm. That is sometimes hard to do, but in most cases, it brings on an even bigger spasm. Thanks for the suggestion of "relax into it" from one of the previous chats... it works wonders for me.
Jack> That's really great to hear!
maxmo> Generally, from the time the penis holding starts, I get a very strong erection, sometimes it feels like I'll burst. I don't,luckily, but it's extremely pleasurable, beyond any erection I can remember for years.
Jack> VERY cool!
maxmo> While I was practicing earlier in the year, there came a point where I could use the Key Sound to produce a compelling pleasureable feeling in the groin. I got so that just assuming the recommended position and doing a Key Sound or two would bring on that feeling.
maxmo> I then went through a period where during that, any penis holding would be rather strange. I could feel strange feelings in the penis as I was reaching for it. It seemed to be not a part of me, in a sense; rather something to "cherish" --- strange as that sort of out-of-body experience might sound.
Jack> Yeah! THAT is a very good example of how accessible this
Jack> response becomes. That's why
Jack> I often refer to this learning process as one of Awakening the response. - It's a response
Jack> that is INNATE in us. We were born with it. So once it Awakens, or... once those Energy Gateways start opening
maxmo> As described above, I've moved beyond that, though after a few minutes of Key Sounds without touching, the penis is very sensitive.
Jack> then the response tends to become more and more accessible.
maxmo> And, I've found like others, that this sort of play makes real sex even better and I've managed to ride a strong excitement in that situation for a long time before eventual ejaculation.
Jack> "real sex"... hmm.
maxmo> Well....
Jack> By that do you mean intercourse?
maxmo> yes
Jack> Ok, thanks for clarifying. :-)
maxmo> End of story for now.
Jack> I'd have some concern about continuing to frame intercourse as (the only) "real" sex, since it may subtly tend to devalue your other experiences. Just a thought. :-)
maxmo> Not on your life. :-)
Laly> I HAVE A QUICK COMMENT MAXMO
Jack> LOL. No Worries then!!! :-)
Jack> [ to maxmo ]
Jack> pls go ahead laly.
Laly> regarding- the out of body thing...is not as strange to forum members as you'd think.
maxmo> I'm sure that is the case... it still seems a bit odd when it first happens.
Laly> I myself have had several experiences lately with that very thing.
Jack> maxmo, may I ask: has your partner noticed any differences in you in that context?
maxmo> Yes.
Jack> Like what?
Jack> (only if you're ok sharing a little about it, naturally)
maxmo> Sorry, to follow this line is awkward.
Jack> That's ok. If you'd rather not...
Jack> I was just wondering in a general way what differences your partner may have noticed in you.
Jack> But even that, if you'd rather not, that's ok. All sharing here is by choice. :-)
maxmo> Partner died, not as result of this however.
Jack> I am VERY very sorry to hear that!!!!!!
Jack> Wow. May I ask how long ago?
maxmo> No.
maxmo> Let's move on.
Jack> ok. Do you have friends who can be supportive of you during this time?
Jack> No need to answer that either.
maxmo> Yes, though unrelated to sex. Let's move on.
Jack> K. My hope for you is that as you are able, you _proactively_ seek out support for getting through the grieving process... OK, let's pass the Talking Stick to magnagei.
Jack> Again, welcome magnagei!
magnagei> thanks...where to begin? I guess my first question is how should one feel the body?
Jack> What do you mean?
magnagei> what I mean is, I know we shouldn't look for more to happen, but should we concentrate on what is happening?
Jack> Yes that's it precisely!
Laly> hi smithie and hugs.
Jack> Hey Smithie!!! Welcome back!
Jack> magnagei was just asking about where to direct his attention during practice.
Smithie> Hello! Sorry I'm late!
magnagei> so if I only feel something in my chest for example, should I only concentrate on my chest area?
Laly> no
magnagei> kind of just passively feel the whole body?
Jack> [no worries, Smithie, glad you could make it - any time! ]
Laly> in a way yes magnagei
magnagei> ok
Laly> if you only focus on the chest feelings- you might miss what other feelings your body may be experiencing at the same time
magnagei> ok, I gotcha
magnagei> then I guess my second question is just a matter of confusion regarding my practice, it seems like 2 or so Key Sounds gives me as much feeling as a whole session
Jack> for now...
Jack> :-)
Drew> One of the 'techniques' I've used to good effect is to feel those good feelings (in whatever part of my body they occur)... Then, 'imagine' them amplifying and spreading to other areas of my body.
Jack> READERS PLEASE NOTE DREW'S TIP
Laly> I agree with Drew.
maxmo> And relaxation can help
Jack> It's a cornerstone.
magnagei> oh really? I thought this kind of thing was off Protocol, trying to feel more? am I incorrect
Jack> There's a difference between trying to make the feelings happen and being aware of what IS happening. :-)
Drew> Well, 'trying' is not a term I would choose... ALLOWING more feeling, YES!
magnagei> ohhhh, I see thanks for the clarification
Jack> I was just typing that ALLOW word too, Drew. :-)
Laly> WELL SAID drew
Drew> :-)
Jack> magnagei, would you pls give us some words reflecting your new understanding?
Jack> What has become more clear for you?
magnagei> I'm not entirely sure I understand what you are referring to
magnagei> because of this chat, or because of my own practice?
Jack> Well you said thanks for the clarification - What is you clearer understanding now? Both chat and practice. :-)
magnagei> well on my own I noticed that I was forcing the Key Sound and the belly movements, once I noticed that, I stopped doing it and that helped a lot
Jack> EXCELLENT self-calibration !
Laly> awesome
magnagei> I think I understand the difference between allowing feeling to grow that want to grow rather than hoping they will grow
Jack> magnagei, you have demonstrated a Perfect Example of how to use the Echo Effects to be your guide.
Laly>
Jack> Yes that says it, I think! Really nice shift in awareness, magnagei... a Big Step. :-)
magnagei> great, thanks. yes I thought this was a big step too
magnagei> but I still am confused about some aspects of practice
Jack> A Big Step Over a Very Common Pitfall. :-)
Laly> such as?
Jack> No worries! That's why we're here! You're on a roll What's your next question?
magnagei> well for example, about 2 weeks ago, I was practicing and I was sad because a good friend of mine just moved to Texas, and during practice I experienced a wave a bliss, the strongest echo I've ever felt
magnagei> and I felt great after that but haven't felt anything as nice as that since
Jack> What's your question about that?
magnagei> I guess I'm just wondering why I haven't experience anything as nice as that after another 2 weeks of practicing, even with the insight I gained about my forced belly movements
magnagei> (I just noticed that about a week ago)
Jack> Good question!!!
maxmo> It would be too bad if one had to be sad to find bliss... I think it is probably coincidence
magnagei> I don't think the reason I had the bliss was because I was sad, I just mentioned that because of the fact that my mood was great after the session
maxmo> great!
maxmo> It can ... and should ... have that effect.
Jack> I agree about the sad not necessary, maxmo... I think that Echo
Jack> was more intense because you were ALLOWING yourself to REALLY FEEL your sadness. You were EMOTIONALLY VERY OPEN at that time, it seems.
magnagei> hmmm interesting jack
magnagei> I think I agree
Laly> sounds like a certain other forum member - meaning me Jack - right
magnagei> so I guess I need to find out how to be very emotionally open without being sad
Jack> Yeah I don't think the bliss was _because_ you were sad either. I agree with you on that. It was, I believe, because YOU WERE ALLOWING STRONG FEELINGS TO EMERGE.
Laly> hi shiva
shiva> Hi !
Jack> Salut Shivaaaahhhh!!! Ca fait longtemps Bienvenue!
Jack> LOL laly. re: u... :-)
shiva> Thanks !
Laly> mag- for me - 95% of my practices I am very emotionally OPEN
magnagei> is there anything you do to prepare for a practice session?
Jack> You, laly and all of us, really. Emotional openness if another cornerstone of the practice. That's why it's really important to get the help one needs to heal the emotional wounds.
Jack> GOOD QUESTION MAG!
Laly> I meditate
Jack> I'd like to hear from EVERYBODY on that question, if you would.
Laly> I sing, just lay there and listen
Laly> and allow the tension and stress to fall away
magnagei> ooh I meditate but I've never tried it before KS practice, I'll give a try
shiva> I just relax
maxmo> I guess I don't attach very much emotional readiness to my practice. I've mentioned relaxation.
Smithie> I meditate as well.
Jack> Relaxing music without lyrics can also be a very pleasant enhancement - and can help as a sound cover, if needed (e.g. in an apartment, etc.).
Jack> i.e., during the practice session.
maxmo> BTW, I didn't mention that I have best results in the morning... being a senior, I have the luxury of organizing my orgasm agenda.
Jack> Thanks for that important point, maxmo! Yes I generally recommend the earlier in the day, the better.
Jack> More energy available!
maxmo> more hormones first thing?
Laly> k- have to go -
Jack> Hadn't thought of that! You may indeed be correct - I don't know.
Jack> doh! bye laly! Big HUGGSSS!!! Take care!!!
magnagei> bye bye Laly, and thanks!
Laly> take care ya all - HUGS everyone.
shiva> bye
Laly> bye bye
Jack> Bookend a go go!
Laly> lol
Jack> :-)
maxmo> And sometimes a cup of coffee too... so the neurons are firing on all dendrites.
Laly> oh god am laughing now _ THANX jack
maxmo> bye l
Jack> magnagei, what other thoughts or questions do you have?
magnagei> you talk about not ejaculating the day of practice
magnagei> does this only have to do with the reflex, or does semen retention help this practice?
magnagei> because I'm not even close to the point where my practice would give me a ejacorgasm
Jack> That's good. :-)
Jack> Now you can learn what's REALLY different about the KSMOT Protocol from all the others.
magnagei> I usually masturbate once a day, but this is a bad idea for KSMO?
Jack> RE: semen retention... ejaculation does affect sex hormone levels.
magnagei> ahhhh
Jack> I really look at it more from the ENERGETIC perspective however.
maxmo> Given my observation about hormones early in the morning, I'd support the retention idea.
Jack> Yes magna take a day off from masturbation on the practice days.
Jack> Just to find out what might happen! ;-)
magnagei> I tried not masturbating for 2 days and I honestly didn't notice anything different, but I'll give it another try
Jack> AND for advanced class, take the day AFTER practice off from masturbation, and learn what might happen.
Jack> I'm not saying to eliminate ejaculation sex from your life... not at all! Just once in a while stretch the pattern a little -
magnagei> ok
magnagei> if I just relax all my muscles, even the day after practice I get small Echos
Jack> It's a VERY consistent report by many that
Jack> SURPRISINGLY AMAZING things may happen AFTER practice,
Jack> and EVEN THE NEXT DAY. There are some who have reported
Jack> that their BIGGEST breakthroughs happened on the days BETWEEN practice sessions.
shiva> Yes, definitely !
Smithie> So far, practice sessions have not given me much. It's the Echoes afterwards that are encouraging.
magnagei> I just have one more question if that is ok, then I'll pass it on
Jack> Hey magna, those small Echoes on the DAYS OFF (!) are a BIG DEAL... they bode well for the future of your practice!
magnagei> great
Jack> Hold the ? for one sec. pls. Shiva, would you pls say more about Yes definitely! :-)
magnagei> they only seem to happen when I relax my skeletal muscles
Jack> And introduce yourself please, including experience with this practice.
Jack> Yeah magna, there's a clue! :-)
shiva> Well, it happened for me
Jack> expliques un peu s.t.p. :-)
shiva> The day(s) after a long session
shiva> it happens that echo effects are very easily triggered by
shiva> KS made very quietly for example when walking in the street
shiva> or just sitting and relaxing
shiva> it also works when for example I just imagine/hear the Key Sound
shiva> This phenomenon is always accessible but is much stronger the day after a practice session
shiva> Voilà !
Jack> Merci!
Smithie> (I too get Echoes in the street, sitting, when I see an attractive girl...)
shiva> :-)
Jack> Yeah it can happen in response to beautiful music, nature, LIFE.
Jack> :-)
shiva> Yes, when there is pleasure and unification in contentment
Jack> For sure!!! What was it like Smithie when you noticed
Jack> this response to beauty?
Smithie> My tummy tightens, my genitals tingle, my breathing accelerates, I feel "energy" moving up and down my spine...
Smithie> Then I try and relax, focus on the sensations, say the sound in my mind...
Smithie> Often I get mild contractions in the area above my genitals.
Smithie> As if my body was preparing for an ejaculation. Of course it never goes that far.
Jack> Yeah it really sounds like you've gain more access to your sexual nature.
Jack> My personal boundary for these experiences in public is that
Jack> if it occurs spontaneously I enjoy it, but I do not actively cultivate the response in public
Jack> because I believe that energy can be felt by others around me, and
Jack> I have a boundary about informed adult mutual consent.
Smithie> That goes for me too. Otherwise I would be bordering on exhibitionism!
Jack> Yeah. Enjoy your authentic human male response, by all means, but don't amp it in public.
Jack> That includes while driving!
Jack> :-)
Smithie> My concern when I get an Echo in public is to diffuse the energy throughout my body.
shiva> Yes, but I would make a distinction
Jack> Yeah that's a good idea, Smithie.
Smithie> Hey, sorry, friends, I have to go now. My wife is tired and wants to go to bed. I wish you all the best and look forward to the next chat!
Jack> Take care Smithie! Thanks very much for all you bring to this community!
magnagei> take care smithie
Smithie> Thank you and goodbye for now!
Jack> shiva, you were speaking about a distinction, would you elaborate please?
shiva> Yes
Jack> Thanks!
shiva> It is about being in public
shiva> I agree that it is a sexual act so we cannot play we energy without some ecology regarding the other people involved
shiva> involved. Ecology and consent.
shiva> However, when this energy rising is not directed outward and is just rising the inner voltage, then I feel it is not
Jack> I really like your use of the word ecology in this context! :-)
shiva> a problem that in happens in public. Of course, if it would happen that
shiva> the energy level is very intense then we might become not very functional and that could be a problem, but Ias
shiva> I was not thinking of such a case when I was talking about the echo effect the day after
shiva> when walking in the street.
shiva> ok
Jack> Yes I understand your point. I believe
Jack> that for example if someone is sitting on a park bench and there are people around, if that person is sitting there intentionally
Jack> amping erotic energy, I view that as a non-consensual act, since we all, being energetic beings, will if nearby, likely be impacted at some level.
Jack> For me the boundary is crossed at the point a person consciously decides to amp the energy while in a public place without the consent of the others present.
magnagei> what about directing the energy of a silent Key Sound to a girl you like, kind of like flirting
magnagei> if you are the only 2 around
Jack> If she has already signalled to you that she is open to flirting, I'd give a very cautious maybe... My intuition says that might be rushing things
Jack> for a first contact.
magnagei> ok
Jack> It can be a really blast of energy and unexpected. This very powerful stuff. Most people are not aware of it.
Jack> It could have a counterproductive out of the blue kind of feeling. If on the other hand
Jack> one is at some kind of gathering such as a tantra event, etc. there may be as part of the group contract a greater fundamental openness... but when in doubt, don't... because
Jack> very many many many people are survivors of some kind of serious abuse or another and an energy hit like that can be just another wound.
magnagei> ahhh very interesting
shiva> Yes, it can be felt invasive.
magnagei> that makes me very more cautious
Jack> Yeah, good. This is BIG MOJO Brother... easy does it... Remember what happened to Mickey Mouse as the Sorcerer's Apprentice?
magnagei> he couldn't control it?
magnagei> the magic that is
Jack> Yep. It got away from him.
magnagei> big mojo haha, I like that
Jack> Even with someone you're already dating, it would be important to gradually and with full disclosure and consent in advance - introduce this energy and practice to partner. That's
shiva> Yes, and KS practice is not Mickey Mouse energy game ! :-)
Jack> why I put a specific couple's exercise in the intro seminar.
Jack> LOL VERY good point shiva! Not Mickey Mouse at all!
Jack> Drew, do you have anything you'd care to add?
Drew> Sorry Jack, I've been AFK... I'm catching up with the conversation now.
Jack> No worries Brother. :-)
shiva> Hey friends, I need to go now. See you later. A+ :-)
Drew> I'm wondering how far back I need to go?
Drew> Bye Shiva.
magnagei> bye shiva
Jack> A++ shiva GREAT to hear from you!!!
Jack> Drew, we are discussing boundaries in public re: Echo Effects spontaneous versus intentionally generated.
Jack> I'd said that for me if you experience a spontaneous rush in response to a beautiful day, a beautiful stranger, or anything else... that's a natural and for me ok
Jack> response - but for me it's crossing the informed-consent boundary to be in a public place and actively cultivate the response.
Jack> I hear Drew reading. :-)
Drew> Is the voice in my head bothering you, Jack?
Jack> Not at all! LOL.
Jack> Just enjoying the Drew-symphony while waiting for your thoughts on the subject.
Jack> Got any?
Drew> I sure do... I concur with most of what has been said.
Jack> Care to elaborate at all?
Drew> There are times when I feel a natural response within my body
Drew> to something I perceive as pleasureable
Drew> That's something I can't, and wouldn't want to 'control'
Drew> The question of amping up energy in public is a tricky one.
Drew> I believe it has everything to do with 'intent'
Drew> I have been in situations where I have been in public and breathing in a particular way...
Drew> which has increased my internal energy and feelings of pleasure
Drew> It has not been directed at anyone though.
Jack> Thanks very much!
Drew> Well, it has been directed at someone... ME!
Jack> :-)
Drew> I have not considered that to be 'sexual' though.
Drew> I have some personal boundaries regarding sex in public
Jack> Yeah I definitely trust that about you. :-) If it's a little buzz of energy yeah, no biggie.
Drew> and basically wouldn't go there
magnagei> how important would you guys say this skill is to you
Drew> I mean, I not going to blast a full-blown KS into the ears of passing strangers.
Jack> It just if somebody is getting off on being in public and pushing bigger energy like this without consent, that's over the line for me.
Jack> I should hope not, Drew. :-)
Drew> Like I said, I believe it all comes down to 'intent'
Jack> Yep. Me too.
Drew> We are energetic beings...
Jack> Good Faith.
Jack> Yeah so we DO feel what others are up to.
Drew> I personally find 'high-energy' beings more attractive.
Jack> Depending on the quality of that energy of course. :-)
Jack> Charlie Manson is a high-energy guy, but we don't hang out. :-)
Drew> That's also kinda my point... I see the higher energy as an attractor, not something I'm forcing on someone.
Drew> Point taken!
Jack> :-)
Jack> Ok! Anything else anyone would care to discuss today?
Drew> He's not on my Christmas card list either.
Jack> I hear ya. Maybe some OTHER list, but not that one.
maxmo> nope, thanks
magnagei> if no one else has anything else to say I have a couple of questions still
magnagei> my first chat after all
Jack> Yes that's fine with me, magnagei. That's why we're here.
Jack> Yeah Brother, dig in!
magnagei> well I'd like to know personally, how important the KS and this protocol is for you guys
Jack> Good Question!
Jack> What say, maxmo, and Drew? Sorry we didn't get answers from the
Jack> earlier folk as well. How about you POST that question to the Forum too, magna?
magnagei> ok
Jack> Drew? Maxmo?
Drew> OK...
Drew> It's everything AND nothing! (How's that for a paradox?)
Drew> Initially, it's a great way to get in touch with your own body.
Drew> To tune into your feelings on a subtle as well as gross level.
Drew> I've also experienced that it's a great way to AMPLIFY and spread the erotic energy throughout my body.
Drew> Now that the energetic channels are more open... The KS is less important for me... Still a good thing to have though
magnagei> but you wouldn't be there without this protocol, correct?
Drew> I'm about to practice with a partner (hopefully) for the first time... It may take on a renewed importance in that context.
Drew> That's safe to say...
Jack> You might review the couple's exercise I offer in the first seminar for some ideas.
Drew> Another key piece (aside from the sound though), is the ALLOWING part.
Drew> Yeah, we will, Jack.
Jack> Yep, Allowing=Cornerstone.
Drew> The KS is great for amping up and spreading the erotic energy... You need to allow the energy to flow freely... To have its way with you!
Drew> It's an exercise in vulnerability.
magnagei> allow seems to be the key word
Jack> yeah, m, it's one of them. :-)
maxmo> Me, I'm a senior and wanting to explore whatever possibilities are still open to me. The KS facilitates many of those.
Jack> Yeah Drew vulnerability - willingness to be really open emotionally is where the bigger payoffs can really happen.
Drew> Amen Bro!
Jack> maxmo I'm very glad the practice is serving you that way. I'm on the threshold of senior myself so I relate!
magnagei> wow this all sounds so powerful
Jack> You have but an inkling.
Jack> Stay tuned. :-)
magnagei> jack if you don't mind me asking how important has the skill been for you personally?
Jack> It's my life's work.
Jack> It is deeply personal... Beginning with the passion I felt
magnagei> yea I guess that's a good way of putting it
magnagei> life's work that is
Jack> for finding an answer to male orgasmic response that went beyond ejaculation control muscle tightening and the like.
Drew> I for one, will be eternally grateful, Jack! :-)
Jack> Thank you very much Drew. That means a very great deal to me. You have shared so much of MY journey with this... As you say, 11 years plus!
Drew> Yep... The blink of an eye!
Jack> Personally it has opened me emotionally in a way that I intuited was available as part of our true human heritage, and was very grateful to have discovered.
Jack> Right Drew. :-)
Drew> Yeah, I really resonate with that myself...
magnagei> it's amazing how it's so much more than just a sex technique
Jack> NOW you're REALLY getting it!!! :-)
Drew> I was 'intuitively' attracted to the first seminar tape I purchased from you...
Jack> Note everyone he said "tape". :-)
Drew> I just 'knew' there was MORE!
Jack> Yeah and that belief is what helped pull you through!
Drew> Wasn't an 8-Track though! :P
Jack> No, but just after, eh?
Jack> BTW have you seen on Amazon
Drew> Yeah.
Jack> what prices people are asking for the old Third Edition?
magnagei> I sometimes think that finding this method is good karma manifesting
Jack> I wonder if any sell! It blew my mind!
Drew> Nope.
Jack> Like... $80 and more. Different dealers. How about that. Wonder if it's all just a spoof.
Drew> Wow!
Jack> At the very least somebody's taking some time to have some fun.
Jack> One price was over a thousand!
Drew> NO freakin' way!
Jack> Man where DID I put that box of old first editions!
Drew> LOL
Jack> :-)
Jack> Well magna, what do you think? Is there anything else we can answer for today?
magnagei> one question and one very quick question if you don't mind
Jack> Sure!
Drew> Are they quick answers? :P
magnagei> I seem to get my best Echoes while sitting in a chair, reclined and relaxed...but I am afraid that I am not opening the energy up to a laying down position as I don't feel as much when laying down
magnagei> I still get Echoes but not as strong when laying down and I am wondering which way I should practice
Jack> Let your Echo Effects be your guide.
Jack> THEY know EXACTLY your particular combination for unlocking the response. :-)
Jack> That's why I call that sound the Key Sound by the way.
magnagei> so it's okay to practice sitting?
Jack> That and Ki as in Chi - energy.
Jack> What are your Echo Effects telling you?
magnagei> that I get my best results sitting
Jack> What do you conclude?
magnagei> I suppose I should practice this way
Jack> dunno about should... but could...
Jack> and... " for now "
magnagei> maybe I should switch it up?
Jack> Sure! Explore!
magnagei> maybe today I will try practicing laying down only
Jack> And no that results from a particular activity may wax and wane as more energy gateways open.
Jack> Sure!
magnagei> ok I'll keep that in mind
Jack> [ no s/b "know" - lil brain fade there ]
Jack> Yes. Your Echo Effects are your primary teacher.
Jack> And keep in mind the CYCLICAL nature of response intensity. OVER TIME though
Jack> you're likely to discover that the high end gets higher.
Jack> And the ACCESSIBILITY of the response gets easier.
magnagei> ok I'll keep all of this in mind
Jack> Great!
Jack> Anything else from you or anyone?
maxmo> no
magnagei> will not having any sexual experience hinder my ability to learn this?
Jack> Say again please?
Jack> Oh, I get it now.
Jack> No it won't.
magnagei> ok thanks
Drew> I think it could be an advantage, Mag.
Jack> You're starting with a clean slate. And
Jack> WHAT an advantage at your place in life. WOW!
Jack> Yeah see? Drew and I BOTH hit on that word ADVANTAGE!
magnagei> what do you mean by place in life, not having had sex, or how young I am?
Jack> Both.
magnagei> I could see that
Jack> Yeah I think this practice is a Great Initiation . :-)
magnagei>
Jack> An Rite of Passage in the Male Mysteries for you. :-)
magnagei> well that's about all of my questions
Jack> Ok! You did GREAT WORK today magnagei!
magnagei> thanks, I think so too. I learned a bunch
Jack> Wonderful!
magnagei> thanks so much everyone for taking all this time
magnagei> and helping me on my journey
Jack> And maxmo... Thank you so much for coming today. I hope you will return soon. We are here for you.
maxmo> OK, I just wanted to report on success. Thanks.
Jack> Yeah that's great! We're here to answer any questions you may have,
Jack> and to celebrate your successes with you!
Jack> You're quite welcome magnagie. Please post to the Forum in the interim. Continue the dialogue. :-)
Jack> Brother Drew: Words Fail... What a journey, eh Brother? :-) __Thank You__
Jack> (bliss tears)
Drew> You're welcome, Jack!
Drew> I feel the same way.
Jack> Thank you for your stalwart kindness and clarity.
Jack> And for your friendship.
Drew> :-)
Jack> Ok! Are we wrapped for today?
maxmo> Bye.
magnagei> I am finished
Jack> Bye maxmo!
magnagei> bye maxmo
Jack> bye mag!
magnagei> goodbye Jack, Drew
Jack> Bye Drew!
magnagei> and thanks again!
Session Close: Sat Sep 16 14:41:37 2006

GOLD NUGGET

a discussion on Echo Effects, preparing for a KSMO session, benefits of practice off days, manifesting Echo Effects in public, and the personal importance of the KSMO protocol.