• Laly, Smithie, Drew, Flash88, Noderob, and Airn join Jack for a discussion on first multiple orgasm experience, the benefits of counseling, and tips for beginners in the practice.
• smithie describes his first multiple orgasm experience and asks how to consolidate the progress he has made. Jack recommends relaxing and not trying to go for it.
• Newbie flash58 has a problem with continual masturbation without experiencing intense orgasms. Jack suggests getting in touch with a counselor to work through the issues.
• Flash88 has had problems with sexual abuse. Laly and Jack respond that they have also had experiences with sexual abuse and recommend counseling to help with healing.
• Newbie Noderob has been practicing for about a week and has not noticed any Echo Effects. After further questioning Jack helps him identify the progress he is making and overlooking or minimizing, that's been leading him to think he isn't. Jack and Laly give him some tips to further his practice.

Session Start: Sat Sep 02 11:58:40 2006
Smithie> Hi there friends!
Jack> Hi Laly, Hi Smithie!
Laly> hi jack
Smithie> Hope you are all well!
Jack> Yes thanks.
Laly> not really smithie
Laly> but managing to hang in there.
Jack> Attagirl Laly!
Jack> How're you today Smithie?
Smithie> Very well thanks! A week ago I had my first experience of multiple orgasms and that made a big impression on me. I thought I would never get there!
Jack> CONGRATULATIONS!
Laly> congrats smithie
Smithie> Thank you!
Jack> How did you know it was happening?
Jack> Welcome flash!
Laly> hello flash
flash58> hi
Jack> Smithie just shared that he just recently started experiencing multiples.
Jack> And I'd asked him how he knew it was happening.
Smithie> I was going to sleep. I felt a sexual energy in my loins, but different from normal sexual excitement. I had been surfing your forum and I knew I should just let my body do what it wanted.
Laly> yeahh!!!.
Laly> hi drew HUGS.
Drew> Hi Laly
Jack> Welcome Drew! Smithie's sharing about his first multiples.
Drew> Hi everyone.
Drew> kewl
flash58> I just recently purchased the download and just wanted to get any further insight before I started the learning process
Jack> You've come to the right place. Smithie's reporting some exciting new experiences, and I hope everyone
Jack> will feel ok about asking questions from those who are also learning - and HAVE been learning. :-)
Laly> great flash..have u had a chance to read the pdf file yet?
flash58> I'm about half way thru reading
Smithie> Then I felt my solar plexus tighten and I got movements in my "loins" (?prostate) just like when I ejaculate, but much milder. One came, then another and I had four or five in a row.
Smithie> Then, something which bowled me over, I felt like a woman.
Jack> Pls say more about that feeling, Smithie.
Laly> awesome smithie.
Laly> and do feel free to ask us questions flash
Laly> .
Jack> If you feel comfortable doing so, of course.
Smithie> That is, I tried to conjure up my "anima", my female half, and I suddenly felt like a woman, lying on her back, with her legs open. I experienced then one or two more of these very mild orgasms, without ejaculation and indeed without my penis being erect.
Smithie> If I may, I have two questions to ask.
Jack> What about PONR ? Ejaculatory Point of No Return?
Jack> And by all means, ask. :-)
Smithie> First, is there anything I should do to consolidate the progress, the breakthrough I have made?
Jack> Yes.
Jack> Relax.
Laly> <GRINS and agrees.
Jack> Breathe.
Jack> There's natural pressure at this point to want to go for it somehow.
Smithie> I think that it was because I was very tired that night and on the point of going to sleep that I experienced what I did.
Jack> RELAXED enough...
Jack> Very good insight Smithie!
Smithie> I tend to be a very organized and determined person and I have difficulty in "letting go".
Jack> Welcome to the human race.
Jack> :-)
Jack> RE: letting go: And now?
Smithie> For Flash 58 let me say that it is very important to surf the forum and read other people's experiences.
Jack> Yes AND to show up here!
Jack> Cuz this is where people who have learned and who are continuing to learn GATHER HERE IN REAL TIME .
Laly> yep.
Smithie> Well, as regards letting go, since last week's experience I have done my protocol exercises but have not experienced anything out of the way.
Jack> So you can get your questions answered and get reality check on what you're experiencing .
Jack> We have maps here. :-)
Jack> Maps to the Stars.
flash58> I have a problem, I masturbate all the time but never really experience any form of intense orgasms that I reaaly remember what they feel like anymore
Jack> :-)
Laly> oh that sounds sooo familiar flash- been there
flash58> I really don't remember I mean
Laly> up until a year ago when I found this place.
Smithie> Again for Flash, I was on the point of giving up, feeling despondent about ever experiencing multiple orgasms and that very night, after reading various sharings on the forum, and when I did not at all expect it, it happened.
Laly> which is a common theme- wasn't expecting it but then IT happened.
Jack> Flash, that is THE most common phrasing used by people when they experience opening to these kinds of multiples.
Jack> Yep it sure is, Laly.
Jack> How old r u flash?
flash58> 36
Jack> Are you seeing a counselor?
flash58> no
Jack> Will you consider doing so?
flash58> Should I be?
Jack> What's your hunch?
Smithie> My second question is about ejaculation. In the protocol, Jack says not to have an ejaculation 24 hours before or after an exercise. That means, if I do an exercise every second day, that I should avoid ejaculation entirely. My wife would not be happy with that!
flash58> I never really thought about it before
Laly> noo smithie
Jack> Pls stand by. Smithie. Thanks. :-)
Smithie> OK
Jack> flash, now that you have a chance think about it, what do you think?
Laly> on the off practice days- it is ok
Laly> just do not do KS session
Laly> .
Laly> that next day.
Jack> Flash, did you see my last question?
flash58> Yes, I'm not sure about seeing a counselor just yet, I wanted to see if this technique will help reawaken my previous feelings and experiences of intense orgasms
Jack> Flash, here is a way to locate one of my colleagues who is specifically and COMPASSIONATELY trained to help address these challenges:
Jack> AASECT - Member Directory
flash58> ok, thanks
Jack> I recommend that you do both at the same time, flash, and let your counselor know that you are interested in practicing this.
Jack> They are free to contact me with any questions, etc.
Jack> I really recommend that you get that kind of support IN PLACE before going very far with this practice.
flash58> I will
Laly> I know I wished I had jack
Laly> and not put it off.
Jack> The patterns you are describing are your body's and your emotions' attempts to self-heal.
Jack> You deserve competent, properly trained, licensed, and certified sex therapist or counselor to support you in this
Jack> journey of renewal and self-discovery -
Jack> and of self-understanding...
Jack> The people at AASECT are VERY VERY good and VERY compassionate.
Jack> I want to offer you our support in encouraging you to take the action step of checking out the map at that directory URL
Laly> hello noderob
flash58> I think some of the confusion or conflicts lies in the fact that I'm a Christian but I'm being trying to be more liberated about sexual issues
noderob> hi all, rob here (newbie)
Jack> Hey rob welcome!
flash58> hi rob
Drew> Hi Rob
Jack> Yeah that's exactly the kinds of conflicts that can fuel the patterns you are describing. Be sure to let
Jack> the prospective counselor know that when you call them.
flash58> I will, thanks
Smithie> Flash, I suggest you explore this site: Liberated Christians Polyamory, Swing, Biblical, Sybian Cyber Center
Jack> Thanks for THAT as well, Smithie!
flash58> I have already, thanks Smithie
Jack> Cool!
Jack> Any other ?s at this time, flash?
flash58> Not really, I appreciate your insight, it's an important start for me
Smithie> I read a book recommended on the site: "Dirt, greed and sex" was the title I think. Very helpful Biblical study of sex and how Christians should position themselves in today's world.
Jack> Thanks very much for that intriguing reference as well, smithie!
flash58> I haven't read that yet but will definitely take a second look, thanks again
Jack> Yeah flash, you have definitely made a very good start!
flash58> I look forward to learning and growing and sharing my experiences here, thanks guys
Jack> flash this practice does tend to release emotion, so that's why it's very important to go ahead and get counseling in place as support to help you with that. Just a little postscript. :-)
Smithie> Another very helpful book is the "Poisoning of Eros". Shows how the very carnal Judeo-Christian tradition was perverted by the puritanism of Rome and Greece and by the development of celibate clergy.
Jack> And thank YOU for trusting us so much, flash!
Laly> jack, if I may introduce myself to the newbies.
Jack> Yes Please!
Laly> I agree jack.
Jack> Thanks again Smithie!
Laly> I am 35, single, female and been practicing KSMO for a year now.
Jack> [then you'll be next, if you like, noderob - welcome!]
noderob> ok, thnx
Laly> and flash- I do understand where u are coming from -
Laly> been there myself-
Smithie> Men do not think that women can face the same sort of problems as us.
Laly> we can and do smithie
flash58> Laly, what was your biggest obstacle to overcome?
Jack> ["some" men :-) ]
Laly> the biggest one flash- overcoming the need to feel like I have to orgasm every nite
Laly> but not for pleasure sake mind you
Laly> I been using it as punishment
Laly> as Jack pointed out to me - took on the role of my abuser.
Smithie> I'm glad for you that you seem to have found a path of healing.
Laly> I had a hard time with the Protocol and the slight stimulation.
Laly> I have and still on that path smithie.
flash58> I was also sexually abused by a female cousin when I was younger, and subsequently discovered she was abused by my other cousins
Laly> - am very sorry to hear that flash
Jack> Me too, flash, and I too am a survivor - by a church custodian.
Laly> but with KSMO I was able to allow myself to forgive myself for any blame that I could have done
Laly> something to prevent it
Smithie> Sexual abuse is so widespread! To be able to talk about it is a sign of healing.
Laly> yes smithie- I have documented mine quite well in the forums.
Jack> That's why it's so important for you to take advantage of this opportunity now to hook up with local professional help who really have the training to help you unload all that crap and get on with your life.
Laly> in hopes of helping others.
flash58> I have forgiven her and we are on very good terms now for the past 20+ year, I don't blame her, but more so my other cousins
Jack> Yes indeed Smithie re: talk (in appropriate context where safe and mutually consented to) breaks the chains of silence and shame that got wrapped around our soul.
Laly> I haven't gotten to that point yet- regarding forgiveness flash, but makes me happy to know
Jack> Yeah flash, this is a VERY opportune time for you to continue to heal the EFFECTS that are still in you.
Laly> that is possible
Jack> Hey Laly, care to share with flash and the group the concept of bookending ?
Laly> sure
Jack> Thanks!
Laly> bookending- is having someone in your corner that you can call upon
Laly> or even using the forums to post your feelings
Laly> like when I was deciding on counseling
Laly> I called Jack and Drew
Laly> really talked with the 2 of them
Laly> regarding my concerns, fears
Laly> of opening my heart to a stranger
Laly> share my inner thoughts
Laly> and I post also to the forums and talk about how I feel
Laly> now that I am in counseling
Laly> (thanks Drew btw)
flash58> How much does counseling usually cost?
Laly> I feel that a huge weight has been lifted from my shoulders
Laly> that depends on the counselor flash
Laly> mine is $85 a session
Jack> A good one is the best investment you'll ever make in your life.
Smithie> Sorry, I have to leave now. Thank you Jack, Laly and Drew for sharing your time and experiences with us newbies. I wish you all the best, and include Rob and Flash in that. Hope to be present at the next chat!
flash58> That sounds reasonable
Jack> When there are several available, it's ok to interview several til you find a match.
Laly> take care smithie HUGSS
flash58> Thanks Smithie
Smithie> Thank you!
noderob> bye Smithie
Jack> Smithie THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU BRING TO THIS COMMUNITY!
Smithie> Thank you all for what you give to me! Goodbye for now!
Laly> that I how I bookend flash
Drew> Bye Smithie
flash58> Thanks for sharing that Laly, I will be sure to incorporate that into the healing process
Laly>
Jack> Laly, do you remember which other chat we got into all the details about bookending.
Jack> ?
Laly> I know Jack would love to bookend with ya flash
Jack> Was it the last one or ?? Drew do you remember?
Laly> as would i
Laly> yes jack
Laly> do you want me to pull it up?
Jack> Just the chat number if it's posted.
Drew> I can't remember, Jack.
Jack> [Thanks for your patience noderob! We'll pass you the Talking Stick in just a shake.]
Jack> k, no worries Drew. :-)
noderob> no problem
Jack> noderob, meanwhile, to whatever extent you feel ok sharing in a public forum, would you share a little about yourself? Age where typing from, marital, orientation, etc. ALL optional.
noderob> well, I'm 53, married and discovered the KSMO by accident (no... really!) just a little more than a week ago
Jack> How do you mean by accident?
noderob> read quite a lot before ordering, but not everything, so I still have quite a lot to catch up on
Laly> http://jackjohnston.protelis.com/wb/...&LastTopic=259
Laly> chat 0259
Jack> Thanks Laly!
Laly> your welcome
noderob> accident: was surfing around, looking for "relaxation" and similar keywords, and stumbled on Jack's site
Jack> Welcome!
noderob> and got really curious about it
noderob> and "bit the bullet"
Jack> LOL.
Laly> <grins
Jack> money back guaranteed brother. no b.s. :-
Jack> :-)
noderob> just started with the KS
noderob>
noderob> no real effects yet
Jack> Anybody care to take that one? :-)
Laly> you may not feel like you are rob
Laly> but there can be subtle effects that you MAY discount without realizing it
noderob> ok - see what you mean, Laly :-)
Jack> Well done, Laly!
Laly> care to share what your practice was like- if feel like sharing
noderob> I must admit I did feel nice... but that could have been the effect of just relaxing!
Jack> Or?
Jack> What else MIGHT it have been?
noderob> I'm not really sure my KS is tuned yet (actually, I think it's not)
Jack> What DID you notice?
Jack> Let's not get too wrapped up in EVALUATION at this point, what do you say?
noderob> first of all: it felt VERY nice to relax (have a pretty hectic life)
Jack> Just as a little experiment.
Jack> OK!
Jack> That really helps set the stage.
Jack> What else did you notice?
noderob> after a while, had a nice warm feeling in the chest
noderob> no tingling
noderob> but just a "fuzzy" nice feeling
Jack> EXCELLENT...
noderob> that was the first time I tried...
noderob> after that, I did two more "sessions", but with no real success
Jack> Wow. Cool. Already in the heart area some awakening. Sweet.
Laly> that is more than I had my first practice rob
noderob> too nervous... could not really relax into the session
Jack> Let's address this linguistic pattern "BUT no REAL success" shall we? :-)
noderob> yes, I realize that!
Laly> I think you had excellent progress 1st time
noderob> :-)
Jack> What are YOUR thoughts about the effects of that cognitive pattern on practice?
noderob> ok -i guess my feeling was (is?) that if you expect to feel something, you probably will...
Laly> hi airn HUGS
noderob> hi airn
airn> hi :-)
flash58> hello airn
flash58> hello
Jack> Welcome airn! newbie noderob has the Talking Stick at the mo' and we're givin' him the bizness a little bit. :-)
Drew> Hi Airn
Jack> Thanks noderob, that's very helpful:
airn> hi all
Laly> givin" ? I like to think more like offering love and support jack
Jack> Exactly Laly.
Jack> :-)
Laly> please continue rob
Jack> Ok, noderob let me reiterate here just a bit.
noderob> this doesn't mean that what I felt was not authentic, just that I'm not sure if it was really "relevant", but I'm sure you guys (and gal) will talk me out of that... :-)
Jack> Whoa!!!
Laly> <faints
Jack> This is getting to be like kendo practice! LOL
airn> lol
Jack> kickin and screamin into the multiorgasmic zone
Laly> ANY feelings u have are "relevant"
noderob> hold on! not there (yet)!
Jack> node, this is an example of what I mean when I say that the greater challenge is not between the legs, it's between the ears.
Laly> yep and is ongoing at times too jack
Jack> No, not there yet, and nobody's gonna push you. Your own body is your PRIMARY GUIDE, through the emotional feedback (including those GIFTS of awareness called Emotional Furballs ).
noderob> of course, Laly, they are. and yes, Jack, we need to "undo" quite some things between those ears...
Jack> The good news is that there is a simple experiment one can do to explore the cognitive shift. You game?
noderob> ok, you got me curious (again!)
Jack> :-)
Laly>
Laly> without curiosity - there d be no progress
Jack> Ok pls begin by retyping that phrase about a dozen lines above this one, beginning with "I'm not sure if it was really 'relevant'"
Jack> and then notice how you feel when you type it and read it.
noderob> ok, I guess that copy/paste is not allowed here ;-)
Laly> lol
noderob> but I get what you mean, Jack
noderob> just re-reading it
Laly> noderob: this doesn't mean that what I felt was not authentic, just that I'm not sure if it was really "relevant", but I'm sure you guys (and gal) will talk me out of that... ?
Jack> Great! Now type something like the following: I had my first practice session and began to experience
noderob> ok
Jack> what MIGHT have been those early FAINT and not-yet particularly erotic but pleasant sensations that Jack said are likely to begin happening at this early stage.
noderob> I had my first session last Monday, began with relaxing and breathing
airn> :-P
Jack> That's a long one but hey in for a penny... just retype
noderob> trying out the KS
Jack> yeah!
Jack> Keep talkin' you're on a roll!
Jack> :-)
Jack> What did you notice?
noderob> and after a while, I felt a warm feeling - fuzzy, undefined - coming up in the chest
Jack> Ok!
Jack> NOW please continue the experiment by
noderob> it lingered on for a moment (one minute, could not tell)
Jack> typing what I started just above and I'll finish it here:
noderob> and it felt good :-)
Laly> awesome HUGSS
Jack> YEAH LALY!
noderob> :d
noderob> (sorry)
noderob> so, I guess I DID "make contact"
Jack> No apology necessary! It's just an experiment. <;-) What differences do you notice in the two?
Jack> What's your hunch, at this point?
noderob> the last one was more positive...
Jack> That the EVALUATION which is fine and how did you FEEL?
Jack> [ That = That's ]
noderob> ok, yup, I agree
Jack> with what?
noderob> let me think...
Laly> lol
airn> lol Jack
Jack> :-)
Laly> oh oh - bliss tears jack
noderob> my evaluation was: I tried this experience, I felt something - was it something I wouldn't have felt if I just relaxed? (I'm a BIG skeptic! )
Jack> Ok noderob, you're back on track... your IMP is ENERGIZED!
Jack> OOPS you went back to the old form. Well, that was quick.
noderob> sorry: IMP?
Jack> No worries. :-)
Jack> I have a question for you...
noderob> let's hear it
Jack> For about 20 min no more than 3 times week, when you do this practice,
Jack> will you tie up the life raft S.S. Evaluator and just hop into your body and cast off for a little 20 min ride, while leaving the Evaluator on shore?
Jack> Kinda once around the block as it were.
Jack> ;-)
noderob> of course I will! I didn't say I was quitting, was i?
Laly> nor was he implying that rob
Jack> Not at all. We're just talking navigational techniques here.
noderob> of course
Jack> Getting thru the Cognitive Rapids can be tricky.
noderob> well, since Monday I had two more sessions with no effects
Laly> none??
Jack> Point is, the negative self-talk - the almighty skeptic - tends to be a trap...
noderob> but I was not able to relax...
noderob> nono
noderob> really!
Jack> Not surprising re: "no effects"
Laly> if I may rob?
noderob> go ahead
Jack> yes pls!
Laly> I take about 10 min before my practice and lay on the floor or bed
Laly> just breathe in and out
Laly> no KS
Laly> JUST to get my body mind and whatnot to relax
Laly> de-stress from the day
Laly> then I turn on jack's seminar - the 20 min KS practice cd
Laly> when I feel am ready to start
airn> (sorry all - gtg)
Laly> i.e no tension in the body
Laly> aww am sorry airn HUGSS have a great day
noderob> ok, arin, see you later!
Laly> please do continue posting airn
Jack> Aw airn you shoulda told us sooner! We can always bump you forward in line! Next time, eh?
Laly> I do find your posts enlightening
Laly> I agree with jack airn
airn> eh, not anything in particular to discuss this time Jack
airn> just thought I'd take a look
Jack> k, Brother - hope you'll check back in here again!
airn> I will!
Jack> Take care!
airn> bye all!
Laly> bye airn
Jack> Ok, Laly, pls continue if you would.
Laly> takes deep breath and releases - smiles
Laly> the point- allowing yourself to relax AND accept what is about happen
Laly> just let IT have the reins
Laly> so to speak
Laly> put your mind in neutral
Jack> [ and accepting what IS happening - at least give it the benefit of the doubt ]
Laly> yes.
Jack> You can paddle around in the SS Evaluator later. :-)
noderob> ok Laly, actually that's how I stumbled upon the KSMO site:
noderob> was looking for relaxation...
Jack> Cool!
Laly> or FOR ME jack - this week the SS panic
noderob> because I'm simply too stressed
Jack> yeah.
Laly> I was too rob= but in the forum
Laly> under other resources- music and
noderob> and that's how "the accident" happened!
Jack> PART OF THAT STRESS MAY INVOLVE PADDLING THE EVALUATOR WHEN IT MAY NOT BE SERVING YOU.
Laly> other- I listed some meditation music I use
Laly> for relaxation
Jack> Warm bath can be a nice place to practice too, provided you have sound privacy.
noderob> well, I found some nice - and free - mp3's for deep relaxation - and they do help me
Jack> great!
Laly> awesome
noderob> (sorry - help of course)
Laly> no worries - we all get the "finger virus"
Laly> lol
noderob> and that's how I prepared for my first - and the other - session
Laly> great.
Jack> Full-body Relaxation is definitely a cornerstone of this practice.
noderob> so, first trying to unwind
Jack> Even a warm shower before practice can be beneficial.
noderob> that's what I understood when reading a lot of the posts
Jack> Yeah, it's very true based on the data collecting in this forum since 1997
Jack> .
noderob> slowing down, allowing the body and mind to be relaxed and receptive
Laly> uh huh- in fact..am blushing to admit this
noderob> - the mind is probably more difficult -
Laly> but I used the KS method- minus KS tho- to relax for dental appointment
noderob> :-)
Laly> yes - the mind once in overdrive
Laly> can be difficult to put into neutral too quickly
Jack> yes. And for at least a little while, give the practice the benefit of the doubt, rather than the opposite - give your mind some breathing room - literally - to open to an experience that is consistently reported as unprecedented in the higher states of arousal.
noderob> that's why the two other sessions I did didn't work out...
Jack> Yeah that's a very important insight noderob.
Jack> What I refer to as self-calibration. :-)
Jack> Like adjusting course while sailing.
Laly> yep.
Jack> The Echo Effects which are admittedly very faint and not necessarily erotic in the beginning,
noderob> yes, Jack, I certainly will. I told you I got curious and I realize that Rome wasn't built in one day
Jack> nevertheless are the signal line to follow.
Jack> Great attitude noderob! Yeah just park the Evaluator at the dock for that 20-30 min no more
Jack> than 3 times a week and tune in to what the Echo Effects in your body have to teach you. You have
Jack> a LOT of EMOTIONAL HONESTY and that is a REAL PLUS,
Jack> since of course this practice also may offer up those emotions that indicate a need for further healing. That's all part of it though,
Jack> as the process of emotional healing and growing self-acceptance
Jack> creates a bigger vessel in which to hold all this practice has to offer,
Jack> and frankly, to me, what it has to offer seems to be fractal - gateways beyond gateways...
Jack> :-)
Laly> oh yeah!
noderob> the journey alone is already worth the effort
Laly> sweet
Laly> but you are NEVER alone in the journey rob
noderob> because learning something about yourself is something nobody will be able to take away from you
Laly> I agree - stands and applauds
Jack> me too!
Jack> flash and Drew, do you have anything you'd like to add or ask?
Drew> Not really at the moment, Jack...
Drew> I'm still curious about KSMO exchange between couples...
Drew> I get to try it in a fortnight's time! :-)
Jack> What's a question you have about that?
Jack> Great!
Jack> Way to go!
flash58> No more, this has been a great chat and very helpful, thanks again
Laly> glad you are here flash
Laly> and rob too.
Laly> and flash? -
noderob> will have to read in the transcripts what happened before I got in... ;-)
Laly> if you have any questions - post them and I'll help best I can
Jack> You're very welcome flash, I'm glad you could make it!
Jack> Yeah me too!!!
flash58> thanks Laly
Laly> no problem - I CARE
flash58> and Jack
Jack> Ok everybody, have a great week. I wish each of you all - and I do mean ALL the best that Life has to offer. :-)
Jack> Yeah flash?
Jack> Oh yeah! You're welcome!
Laly> thanks jack HUGS
Jack> Stay in touch with us and with your process
flash58> Have a great holiday weekend everyone!
Jack> in the Forum meanwhile.
Jack> You too!
flash58> I will
noderob> bye flash, meet you later!
flash58> later rob
Laly> take care u too
noderob> bye laly, jack, take care and thanks for the talk
Laly> your welcome rob
Jack> You are very very welcome!
noderob> don't think I'll make it for the next chat...
noderob> live in the old continent, so hours aren't that good ;-)
Jack> Post a coupla better times in GMT and days
Laly> beat me jack lol
Jack> of the week that work for you and I"ll see about scheduling a chat
Jack> that will work for you.
Jack> Lol Laly.
Jack> noderob there is a conf called Chat Time Requests.
Laly> is a thread called chat time requests
Jack> LOL!
Laly> OH BOY - mind link jack
Jack> Yep!
Laly> yikes
Jack> LOL!
noderob> but I will keep practicing - ok for the requests...
noderob> you both must be mind-readers!
Jack> Yeah, just take it easy and DON'T EXPECT ANYTHING
noderob> scary!
Jack> cuz THAT
Jack> is when MOST people say the bigger orgasms happen for them
Laly> YEP
Jack> when the time is right!
noderob> ok!
Jack> LOL re: mind-readers. Hey we been down that road afore ye, that's all. :-)
Laly> uh huh
Laly> just my empathic abilities at work
Laly> just "know" what he is possibly gonna say
Jack> Drew pls post your couples questions to the couples Conference when you have them - also thoughts of course!
Drew> OK
noderob> have a nice weekend all of you, take care! I'll certainly be back
Jack> Great!
Drew> I can't think of any questions at this point
Laly> *whoops and hollers _yeeeaa
Jack> And thanks Drew!
Jack> Bye y'all!
Drew> Good on yer, Rob!
Laly> nite rob
Jack> Yeah Rob!
noderob> thanks all, cu
Jack> G'nite both of youse :-)
Laly> u too jack
Jack> Take care. Keep bookendin' Laly!
Laly> heart energy is off the charts right now
Laly> I will
Jack> And give yourself LOTS of REST and RELAXATION times.
Jack> Even though you may not always be doing a lot "on the outside" at times,
Laly> haven't been practicing so can do JUST that
Jack> you're very busy on the inside so you need lots of breaks and being good to yourself.
Jack> Yep. EASY DOES IT.
Jack> :-)
Laly> well will let my boss know that the episode that happened Fri could happen again
Laly> just so she and others are prepared
Jack> yeah. Have you shared with boss that you're getting some help to deal with it?
Laly> yeah she knowing am in counseling
Jack> good!
Jack> HUGGGSSS!!
Laly> but being it was a first for me - to see me like that at work
Laly> shocked them
Laly> HUGSS back
Jack> Your counselor can help you i.d. people in your world who can become a support network for you.
Laly> - well I feel that co workers are understanding
Jack> BIG BLESSING.
Laly> been talking a little with them about it
Jack> share check share :-)
Laly> yeah
Jack> :-)
Laly> one hugged me - I lost it and cried in her arms
Laly> just was a good feeling
Jack> Very sweet!
Laly> not to have to hide anymore
Jack> Yep. For SURE.
Laly> lol- know I better stock up on the tissues
Jack> Yeah, buy stock!
Jack> For the bliss tears too!
Laly> ask drew about that lol
Laly> I brought 2 boxes with me LOL
Jack> Yeah you told me. Loaded for bear!
Laly> uh huh
Laly> date is set for next counseling session
Jack> Those tissues are your defense against the perps - the tissues represent the truth comin' out - the silence broken.
Jack> WAY TO GO!
Jack> Your Adventure continues!
Jack> Wow!
Laly> *takes breath - yeah
Jack> :-)
Laly> releases
Laly> ok - Drew's tigers await
Jack> :-)
Laly> nite - time for relaxing
Jack> Bye for now!
Laly> HUGS DREW AND JACK
Laly> bye
Jack> I look forward to those couples posts Drew. :-)
Jack> Talk with you soon!
Drew> Me too... Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! ;-)
Jack> LOL! Yeah! Bye!
Session Close: Sat Sep 02 14:28:37 2006

GOLD Nugget

great information for people starting out with KSMO.

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With Love, Light and with a Joyously singing heart,
Laly
Old forum threads of mine :
http://tiny.cc/KOx0x - shy newbie
http://tiny.cc/mt9sd - letting go of anger
http://tiny.cc/wR7Hb - multiple orgasm success-insight

I read this in a book today "You never know how much courage you have until you face your greatest fears head on".