• Laly, the Saltys, Mariachi, and Drew join Jack for a discussion of KSMO breakthroughs, appropriate time off from practice sessions, support groups, and a developing relationship.
• Laly shares a new breakthrough in her KSMO practice and reports increased Echo Effects.
• The Saltys report a concern about not taking time off from intimacy between practice sessions. Jack informs them that the guideline applies to the KSMO practice itself.
• Mariachi reports not having much time for the practice due to caregiving activities. He is also seeing counselor for support which Jack encourages and also suggests using support groups.
• Laly speaks of her progress in the year since starting KSMO practice and the support she has received from friends.
• Drew speaks of a developing relationship and Jack directs him to past chat archives relevant to what he is currently feeling.

Session Start: Thu Aug 10 17:58:35 2006
Laly> Hi Jack - HUGSS.
Jack> Hi Laly! HUGSS 2 u 2!
Jack> What's new?
Laly> had something new happen -
Jack> yeah? You comfortable sharing about it with our readers?
Laly> yes
Jack> Thanks very much... Teach then... :-)
Laly> ok - well was listening to some soft rock music while on the computer - posting
Laly> and the pulsing of the music - was really setting off some strong Echo Effects
Laly> I got really cold- like ice water being dumped on me- then minute later felt like someone dipped me
Laly> in molten lava
Jack> Wow.
Laly> not uncomfortable
Laly> but arousing
Jack> Were you ok with that?
Laly> this happened three separate times - each time I felt like I was flying higher and higher
Laly> yes- had bliss tears and all that
Jack> WONDERFUL LALY!!!
Laly> the pleasure just building til I just HAD to let out a roar
Laly> was doing no KS at that point
Laly> body was just responding to the music
Laly> heart so full - singing so loud
Jack> That's REALLY wonderful Laleeee!!!
Laly> thanks
Laly> was just posting in forum= regarding my year of KSMO
Jack> I really look forward to reading it!
Jack> Isn't it wonderful to reflect back on how far you've come this year?
Laly> oh yes...so much to say
Laly> that I have felt, experienced
Laly> the fears, the furballs
Laly> the successes, the joy
Laly>
Jack> You GROW Girl!
Laly> going from a few tingles at the 1st practice to now having multiples
Laly>
Jack> :-)
Laly> and to be sharing this from a woman's perspective
Laly> is a joy
Laly> as I re read my posts...I get all teary at remembering.
Jack> Yeah, she's an amazingly brave person isn't she?
Laly> LOL- get teary at just reading any post anymore .
Laly> yes
Laly> she is.
Jack> :-)
Laly> hi saltys.
Jack> Wow, great timing Saltys how are you? Welcome Aboard!
Salty> Hi laly and Jack
Salty> We
Salty> are good here
Laly> wonderful!!!
Jack> That's really great to hear! Laly would you pls bring the Saltys up to date on what you've been sharing this eve so far?
Laly> I was just telling jack about an amazing session I had this past weekend
Laly> and reflecting back on my year of KSMO
Laly> in a post
Laly> .
Salty> Tell us more!
Laly> Z
Laly> hmmm.. where to start
Laly> going for being very shy at first
Laly> and now very open and speak my mind and from my heart
Salty> yah
Laly> going from being afraid - finding courage
Laly> * to finding
Laly> to go from viewing sex not as a negative or in anger - but now derive the greatest pleasure from it now
Laly> making my heart sing.
Laly> to go from just s few tingles in my 1st practice to now experiencing multiples
Laly> where at times I know nothing, can feel nothing
Salty> Protocol?
Laly> pls explain?
Laly> I lose all sense of myself in the orgasmic pleasure
Laly> pleasure.
Salty> well, we are having trouble disciplining that area of KS
Laly> disciplining?? how??
Laly> not enough- too much??
Salty> not following Protocol,.
Jack> What are you learning thereby?
Laly> by how??
Salty> you name it
Jack> Are you enjoying each other?
Laly> not doing it at all?
Salty> yes to both
Jack> Sounds to me like you two are having a BLAST playing hooky!
Jack> ;-)
Laly> .
Salty> well,
Salty> yep
Laly> great.
Salty> We are interested in learning KS though
Salty> just not enough time?
Laly> the 20 minute limit u mean?
Salty> no
Salty> just time in the day
Jack> When the time is right, it will be... no schedule but your own inner guide...
Laly> OH
Salty> ok
Laly> uh huh - what jack just said
Laly> when I have felt that nothing was happening within that 20 min- I stop
Jack> To me it's really about learning to allow the our inner spirit to show us the way... thru
Jack> those intuitions about when the time feels right - or not - and the like. As is said: "When the Spirit moves ye." :-)
Salty> is occasion KS practice
Salty> wasted when we aren't
Salty> following the
Salty> day between stuff
Laly> NO.
Salty> good
Salty> cause we're bad
Laly> in fact this last one I just had- it had been at least a month or so since I "practiced"
Laly> bad???
Jack> Yep I agree with Laly. That guideline is about actual practice sessions of the Protocol.
Salty> yes, we have difficulty
Salty> with the day off thing
Salty> .
Laly> meaning you want to do it daily or ??? .
Jack> with the actual KS practice sessions?
Salty> not the KS, but you know...
Laly> more days in between KS practices.
Jack> Thought so... GREAT QUESTION!!!
Laly> me too .
Jack> Yeah in the Every Other Day guideline (not rule - guideline),
Jack> that is my recommendation as a maximum frequency for active practice of the Key Sound Protocol -
Jack> You are both grown ups and apparently mutually consenting so in my opinion you get to have all the sexual intimacy you want with each other.
Salty> Great!
Jack> Yeah I think so too! LOL!
Laly> uh huh- the day off in between ... is really so that people can become aware of new sensations they may have following a practice day.
Salty> Do you think KS practice may still have a
Salty> chance even though...
Salty> Probably not?
Laly> even though what?
Jack> even though what?
Jack> LOL. Yeah, what Laly just said. :-)
Salty> we aren't having the day off to
Laly> lol . (reading Jack's mind again)
Salty> sense Echos!
Jack> You two been becoming aware of any new sensations? Maybe even on the days between KS sessions?
Laly> they just said they weren't having the day off in between jack.
Salty> Salty some, not Mrs. Salty
Laly> is it possible she may be and not realizing them
Salty> probably not
Jack> Ok... so then maybe it's a matter of what you each want for yourself individually now, in this learning process.
Jack> And the degree to which you want your Beloved to have that choice.
Salty> choice is good
Salty> We both
Salty> are interested
Salty> in learning KS however
Jack> I agree - including autonomous choice. That's why I recommend some solo practices.
Jack> That's not a rule, it's a doorway.
Salty> We do practice solo, well
Salty> in different rooms anyway.
Jack> Thanks for the reminder about that. One thing that occurs to me,
Jack> one suggestion you might like to explore if you haven't, is to
Jack> have a mutual meeting place after practice, rather than when one finishes practice to let the other one know.
Salty> Oh!
Jack> Not a rule... a Doorway of a Learning Opportunity.
Jack> Doorways are optional - subject to ahem Free Will. :-)
Salty> What we do, is not meet
Salty> in a mutual meeting place
Salty> but we wait until we know
Salty> the other will be done before
Salty> leaving the area
Salty> the other is in.
Salty> Is that too deep?
Jack> k, and my hunch is that you both may have learned some things in that format. Your describing it
Jack> inspired me to suggest a similar but slightly different doorway,
Jack> in the hopes that you might also learn from that experience.
Salty> We hear you, that way we wouldn't be waiting
Salty> on each other, right?
Laly> yes
Jack> Exactly - ALL of your
Jack> attention can stay with YOU for that brief 20 min 2 or at most 3 times a week. :-)
Salty> Okay, the
Salty> 2 to 3 times
Salty> a week doesn't seem difficult
Jack> Just to learn how that might affect your time together and other time you spend by yourself.
Salty> but just the days between
Salty> What we do on the days between, not KS
Jack> Yeah, days between doesn't mean no sex, just take a break from active practice of the Key Sound Protocol.
Salty> Oh, that
Salty> changes everything!
Laly> .
Salty>
Jack> Why, that sense of relief might be worth it's own Key Sound!
Jack> ;-)
Salty> could be
Jack> You still get to have secrets. :-)
Salty> We don't have to tell all?
Laly> nope.
Jack> What's your hunch?
Salty> Got you!
Jack> This is a 24/7 informed adult mutual consent space. :-)
Salty> Sounds okay with us.
Jack> Mighty glad! :-)
Jack> Yeah I'm VERY GLAD you brought up that question tonight, cuz there's a very good chance
Jack> others may have a similar concern. Thanks for helping teach by sharing the Gift of some of your story!
Salty> It is our pleasure.
Jack> :-)
Laly> that may be a point that can be added to the Protocol Jack.
Jack> Yes indeed, Laly!
Salty> Now we really feel important!!!
Jack> IT'S ABOUT TIME !!!
Laly> yea!!
Laly> < grinning
Salty> Thank you both!
Jack> And thank YOU both!
Laly> ditto here.
Salty> welcome.
Jack> You two bring the kind of personal authenticity that is valued HIGHLY here.
Salty> ?
Salty> It's just us, Jack!
Jack> By sharing yourselves... your questions, your concerns, your aha! 's ... and by asking questions that
Jack> wind up teaching others all over the globe - and giving them that extra little glimmer of hope.
Laly> I agree.
Salty> Alright!
Jack> I trust in those Ripples.
Jack> :-)
Salty>
Laly> hello mariachi
Jack> OMG MARIACHI!!!
mariachi> hello!
Salty> Hello, mariachi
Jack> WOW Brother - it's GREAT to hear from you!!
mariachi> been a while
mariachi> thanks. Good to be back.
Jack> yeah! Welcome back!!! How are you? You still in Oz?
mariachi> Yes I am. Just got back from a great trip to Europe
Laly> sweet.
Jack> Wow that'll give your biorhythms a spin! [ Mariachi lives in Australia - talking about Global Ripples ]
mariachi> That's for sure. It was great to have some time out - exhausting too tho!
Jack> Please say hi to Ms. laly who's celebrating her 12 month ReBirthDay with KSMO, and to the Saltys
Jack> at an undisclosed exotic locale on the Pacific NW Coast.
Salty> You got it!
Jack> :-)
mariachi> Hello Ms. laly and Saltys- how does is your KSMO practice going?
Laly> beautifully pleasurable.
Salty> The talking stick is yours, mariachi.
Jack> And for sure Mariachi, to whatever extent you're comfortable sharing (as always) how about bringing folks up to date with a bit of YOUR story?
mariachi> Thank you. Things have been a struggle over
mariachi> the past 18 months
mariachi> I have been living with a sick parent
mariachi> and as you can imagine it is exhausting both physically and emotionally
mariachi> .
Laly> yes
mariachi> I have also had little privacy and time to just be with myself.
mariachi> However,
mariachi> all is not bad news
mariachi> on the occasion that I have had time to practice
mariachi> I have taken baby steps to letting myself relax and enjoy
mariachi> some very pleasurable feelings
Jack> Well done!
mariachi> Thanks!
Jack> That's the fastest way to learn.
Laly> uh huh - way to grow mariachi .
mariachi> Cheers
Jack> Some people think I'm nuts when I say that,
Jack> but from my experience that seems to be the case... the more
Jack> we learn to allow our inner body wisdom to guide us in this, the smoother and easier
Jack> and more MOVING and OPENING it seems to become.
mariachi> It has been such a strange time for me, especially not being able
mariachi> to have time to just be with myself. I really missed/missing it.
Jack> Wow I hear you! Do you have anybody you can just relax with, share some of the
Jack> unwinding from that intensive caretaker role?
Jack> CareGIVER I meant to say. :-)
mariachi> Yes and no. I have my Mum and sister and great friends - but,
mariachi> sometimes it is hard to really "speak" of the true sadness that
mariachi> you feel.
mariachi> And of course
mariachi> the same goes for my Mum and sister who experience
mariachi> or should I say struggle with their
mariachi> own sadness and mix emotions in such an experience as this.
mariachi> However, I have still seen a counselor who has been very
mariachi> generous in his time with me, and while it is not a weekly
mariachi> meetings anymore, it is good to have an outsider to speak to
mariachi> on all the confusing emotions that I have felt/feel.
Jack> That's excellent to hear, M. I hope you'll ask him for help in your building an informal support system of friends or support group(s) etc. Yeah, that's why I was wondering about one or more support people outside the family. EACH of you deserves your very own set of such people!
Jack> Sometimes there are caregivers' support groups - sometimes sponsored by public health agencies or hospital auxiliaries, etc.
mariachi> Yes, my mum has been interested in attending some (she is by far
mariachi> the main caregiver) but, my Dad is not to big on
mariachi> that sort of thing.
Jack> Such groups might help amplify the benefits you get from your time with the counselor.
Laly> uh huh.
mariachi> I am lucky to have some great (and long time friends)
Jack> It could be of great benefit, if your counselor is willing, for him to help you create such auxiliary support systems -
mariachi> as well as having a creative outlet.
Jack> for yourself as an individual, as well as helping your family members find support systems that work for them.
mariachi> Yes - I think 'works for them' is the key.
Jack> Do you feel comfortable enough with any of your friends to share some of the deeper feelings and questions challenging you? I don't mean to replace your counselor, but just heart to heart sharing.
mariachi> Oh yes I do.
Laly> wonderful.
Jack> RE: works for them - it's THEIR primary responsibility to find such support, in my opinion - at least to the extent they are able.
mariachi> Sometimes it can be difficult as I am the first of
mariachi> my friends to experience such a thing.
mariachi> Yes! I was just going to say
mariachi> re. works for them - that I have learnt
mariachi> a lot during this time, that in such a thing as
mariachi> personal as this is, people react differently
mariachi> and need different things - often, I find that
mariachi> if I can speak honestly about the things I am feeling
mariachi> that it relieves a great deal of pressure.
Jack> VERY WISE.
mariachi> Of course, it inevitably builds again as it cannot
mariachi> make the sadness disappear, but to be able to share it
mariachi> and know that you are not alone in these feelings
mariachi> can be a great comfort.
Laly> I agree
Jack> me too.
mariachi> It relates back to what Jack mentioned when I first arrived
mariachi> about listening to your body's inner wisdom guide you
mariachi> to find what is right for you in dealing with the pain.
mariachi> It is very confusing sometimes, but in often just admitting
mariachi> to that confusion when I talk to others (whether
mariachi> it be family or a friend or sometimes an acquaintance!)
Jack> Yeah that's taking a big emotional risk
Jack> and it's important to have people in your life with whom you can
Jack> safely take such risks.
Laly> uh huh - very familiar ground for me mariachi.
Jack> Care to elaborate, laly?
mariachi> Yes, I agree it is a risk.
Jack> [ and I'd like to hear what thoughts Saltys may have as well... ]
mariachi> Yes - I have been blabbing a bit!
Laly> no worries bout that mariachi
Laly> regarding talking about personal things
Laly> and taking emotional risks
Jack> Mariachi, I didn't perceive you as blabbing.
Jack> You have done nothing here that merits shame, Brother.
Laly> me neither jack- I was sitting here and crying over what he was saying
Laly> cause was familiar ground to me.
Jack> See Mariachi?
Jack> Welcome Drew!
Laly> hi drew.
mariachi> It is nice to hear that it was welcome!
Drew> Hi Jack, Laly, Mariachi.
mariachi> hey Drew.
Jack> You bet, mariachi!
Jack> And I continue to support you're learning to put yourself first often enough
Jack> to sustain yourself and your personal life and personal growth
Jack> .
Laly> I am just now talking small steps in seeking a counselor for me mariachi
mariachi> I think it is a very good thing to do for yourself Laly.
Laly> thanks- just at a point that I have come to- at a point that I have helped myself as much as I can
Laly> and need guidance to finish the rest of it-
Laly> to truly be at peace,
Jack> Well said, Laly!
Laly> thanks Jack
Laly> it is due to my outside support members that I am able to make this step mariachi
Laly> have the courage to try.
Jack> YAY LALY!!!
mariachi> Is your outside support group consist of friends and family?
Laly> *wipes away tears and smiles
Jack> :-)
Laly> friends- can't talk to family, afraid to
mariachi> Yeah,, it can be very difficult.
Laly> uh huh.
mariachi> But is great that you have that support network to lean on
Laly> yes...
Drew> :-)
Laly> the LORD blessed me with 3 special angels
Laly> .
mariachi> That's beautiful
Laly> uh huh.
Laly> and I used the forum to speak out about my experience - my past.
mariachi> In difficult times it can be great to remember that there are some
mariachi> really beautiful things in the world.
Laly> oh yes.
Laly> another thing KSMO allowed me - to find beauty in life now.
mariachi> Life NOW. Yes that is so true. I struggle with that.
Laly> me too... but is a learning process
mariachi> So true too. It amazes me how some days it seems so easy
Laly> not to let one violent act done to me - rule the rest of my life .
mariachi> and others near impossible!
mariachi> Good for you
Laly> yep.
mariachi> Re. "not let one violent act rule rest of ur life"
Laly> yes?
mariachi> oh, sorry (my chat skills are not the best!) I meant
mariachi> it is good that
mariachi> you have decided not to let one violent act rule the
mariachi> rest of your life
mariachi> Apologies again!
Laly> never apologize - thanks for clarifying
mariachi> No worries!
Laly> yes- I have decided it controlled my life long enough - 16 yrs is a long time in my book..
Laly> to allow one man and rape, to allow it to control my emotions
Laly> make me fearful of every man after that.
Laly> wasn't til I met drew and got to talking that I realized not all men are like HE was.
mariachi> Drew as in Drew from KSMO?
Laly> Drew was patient and very kind- listening to my story
Laly> yes
mariachi> That's great ...And nice work drew!
Drew> :-)
Laly> one of my special angels
mariachi> I'm sorry though to hear about your past experience Laly,
mariachi> it must be incredibly hard to work through - but
mariachi> it also would take A LOT of courage, so congrats on that.
Laly> *wipes more tears away.
Laly> thanks
Laly> it was hard, BUT I knew that in my heart I needed to say what I did
Laly> in hopes that it helps others.
mariachi> And it will... I'm sorry I have to go. I wish I could stay longer, but it is middle of the day here and I have neglected a few people since being away!
Laly> glad to see you were here mariachi - HUGSS
Laly> take care ok
Drew> Take care, Mariachi!
Laly> sorry jack- didn't mean to get chatty , but did ask me to explain .
mariachi> HUGS - hopefully I will speak to you again soon, I enjoyed our little chat
Laly> me too .
mariachi> no worries about being too chatty.
Laly> thanks.
mariachi> Bye Drew, bye laly, bye Salty, bye Jack!
Jack> Come back soon Mariachi!
Drew> Elementary, my dear Johnston. ;-)
Laly> .
Jack> Quite, Sir Drew!
Jack> ;-P
Drew> :-)
Jack> Saltys you still around?
Laly> wow - never cried so much as I did tonite
Jack> Wow... DRINK WATER!
Jack> It's grounding. :-)
Laly> have been jack
Jack> ATTA Girl!
Drew> And your 'reflection on the year' post just came in!
Laly> .
Laly> not finished yet
Drew> Well, it is only August! LOL
Laly> just didn't want to lose it
Laly> lol
Jack> I'm really looking forward to reading it, Laly!
Laly> kewl- luv that heartspeak .
Laly> just like I did tonite.
Jack> Yayuh!
Jack> Well... anything else from or for anyone tonight?
Laly> oh wow - energy band-- mmm
Jack> :-)
Laly> not me -
Jack> oh.
Jack> LOL.
Laly> pretty blue one
Jack> VerKewel!
Laly> the band
Drew> Not sure actually, Jack.
Jack> What's up Brother?
Drew> Curiosity about sharing KSMO with a partner.
Jack> That's a good feeling to have!
Drew> It sure is!
Drew> I'm a tad nervous, too!
Jack> One of my Teachers, Bob Goulding MD, liked to remind us that especially when it comes to growth steps,
Jack> anxiety is EXCITEMENT I haven't let myself feel yet.
Laly> uh huh.
Jack> Gotta Witness!
Drew> I have introduced your seminar to a female friend of mine... She's 'energetically open' to begin with, and has already had some success in practice.
Jack> What is your mutually defined relationship with each other?
Drew> We have been friends for quite a number of years.
Jack> Have you had other roles in relationship to each other e.g. student teacher or the like?
Drew> Nope
Drew> We met through practicing 'energy work'.
Jack> What are you wanting to ask her?
Jack> Do you need to clarify your understanding with each other, or are you comfortable in your current mutual understanding?
Drew> Nothing really... There is a delay in our 'relating'... She is in Asia on business, for seven weeks!
Jack> Seems like you have a question. And it seemed like it might be more a question for her than for me but I may be mistaken there. :-)
Jack> And consider the Goulding Hypothesis. :-)
Drew> Right!
Jack> And remember to BREATHE!!!
Drew> You betcha!
Laly>
Laly> - sounds like some familiar advice from u to me huh drew
Laly> re- breathe.
Drew> Yeah, take my advice... I'm NOT using it! :P
Laly> lol.
Jack> LOL!
Jack> Pls keep in mind that even intimacy doesn't automatically mean you have to start picking out china patterns. You are currently committed to being friends. As adults you have the option to renegotiate or not. Meanwhile - GREAT practice communicating in an AUTHENTIC WAY.
Drew> Yes, it is.
Laly> uh huh..
Jack> Such honesty with each other can really open tremendous intimacy. Another round of Terror at the Gates. Also known as Fu Dogs or Foo Dogs :-)
Drew> :-)
Laly> yep.
Jack> Drew, I gotta say. In all honesty, sounds HOT!
Laly> It is late for me - will say nite now
Laly> wishing u best of luck Drew- HUGSS.
Drew> Thanks Laly!
Jack> ni nite laly!!!
Jack> HUGGGSSS!!!
Laly> nite Jack _HUGSS
Jack> I hope my comments have been of some help, Drew.
Drew> Yes... However, it all comes down to me!
Jack> BREATHE...
Jack> Get OUTTA your head and INTO ALL of your body and
Jack> SPIRIT.
Drew> I'm also recalling you advice from the ancient past... All about 'dancing' and 'swimming'!
Jack> Exactly... and DANCE THESE FEELINGS you're feeling!
Jack> SWIM in them!
Drew> are those chats in the archives?
Drew> they are from WAY back!
Jack> SWIM in the sharing you two are exploring. What a wonderful GIFT you are giving each other!!!
Jack> Chats go all the way back to 0001.
Jack> 1995
Drew> It'll be in there then
Jack> Main Forum came on line in May 1997 and it's all still pretty much there except posts that are dated such as what time is the next chat, etc. :-)
Jack> Yeah pull'em forward Drew. Pls find them and post reference to them - Find them in the Archive
Jack> the post a link in the Live Forum to that part of the archive. The archived posts you find by going to the MAIN www.multiples.com website
Jack> and clicking the SEARCH tool link under my photo. That's the Google site search
Jack> tool so it'll prolly do pretty well helping you find the exact post areas.
Drew> OK
Jack> In fact, I'm gonna see about replacing the Live Forum's way inadequate search tool with the Google tool as well. It may take a while though. Been a while
Jack> since I've ventured that deep into the Forum code.... wooooooooooo !!!!
Drew> You're a brave, brave man!
Jack> LOL - Thanks Brother! wooooooooooooooooo!!! I look fwd to seeing the posts. I also look fwd to talking with you soon!
Drew> Me too... Time to turn in now.
Jack> Breathe... Dance... Swim... and... you know... :-)
Jack> Sweet Dreams!
Jack> Ta Ta Saltys wherever ye may be... glad you made it back in tonight! I hope you'll keep us posted as to how
Jack> the meeting-in-the-commons area may work as an OPTION from time to time. :-)
Drew> Sweet Dreams to you to, Brother!
Jack> Thanks Drew, you too, and BEEEG HUGGGGSSSS!!!!
Session Close: Thu Aug 10 20:53:13 2006