• Laly and laguna join Jack for a discussion of Heartgasms, how the KSMO practice can lead to a heightened sense of awareness and well being, and the use of musical instruments in preparing for practice.
• Laly reports having a Heartgasm during the last chat. Jack congratulates Laly on her new opening and notes that others have reported similar experiences reading stories posted in the forum.
• laguna reports experiencing heightened awareness in all of the senses. Jack notes that allowing oneself to feel more along with the KSMO practice can lead to greater energy flow.
• laguna also finds himself more resilient in dealing with stress and mentions his use of the NA (Native American) flute, a wind instrument for a meditative experience prior to practice.

Session Start: Thu Jun 15 17:39:27 2006
Jack> Hi Laly, welcome. s/w u around 6 :-)
Laly> ok.
Jack> thanks
Laly> hi laguna HUGS.
laguna> hi
Laly> how are you?
laguna> I'm doing well :-)
Laly> great .
Jack> Hi Laguna, and thanks for your patience Laly...
Laly> no problem Jack.
Jack> Do either of you have a question or a comment you'd like to share?
Laly> after last chat Jack
Laly> not sure
Jack> not sure as in not safe or ?
Laly> best unexpected pleasure I've had
Jack> WHOA !!!
Laly> no- just spontaneous burst.
Jack> Did it feel ok to experience or ?
Laly> had a heartgasm during chat last time laguna.
Jack> :-)
Laly> oh yeah- the best feeling
Laly> floating
Laly> seeing those vibrant colors
Laly> heart so full
Laly> took my breath away.
Jack> Laly.
Laly> yes?
Jack> wow.
Laly> I actually grabbed my desk just to stay "grounded"
Laly> through the bliss tears.
Jack> Jeez. How did it feel to experience this at work?
Laly> lol - wasn't at work
Jack> (assuming desk at work, sorry).
Jack> Ah ok got that after I'd pressed the Enter key LOL.
Laly> my computer desk at home.
Laly> so much energy was flying in this chat last time
Laly> I was picking up some of it.
Jack> CONGRATULATIONS once again Laly upon your New Opening.
Laly> thanks
Jack> People have been reporting similar experiences reading the Forum accounts.
Jack> i.e. the stories posted to the Forum ...
Jack> .
Laly> I just wanted to mention - what could happen if you allow yourself the freedom to explore.
Laly> i think Laguna can relate to this.
laguna> I think so.
Jack> Please do tell, if you're ok doing so. :-)
laguna> I have found that for the past week or so
laguna> that my mind has been very quiet
laguna> yet at the same time my sense of things seems to have more depth
laguna> I was looking at a line of trees today and the experience was breath taking.
Laly> sweet.
Jack> How did this experience differ from past (if so)?
Jack> And yes, Laguna... Very sweet... :-)
Jack> Opening ...
laguna> I would say so
Jack> Feeling more what we HAVE been given by being placed in this Garden.
laguna> for the past while, I have found our world to be a place of overflowing richness.
Jack> The fractally increasing capacity to EXPERIENCE MORE just how beautiful it IS.
Jack> I love hearing that, laguna.
Laly> me too.
Jack> Opening More to the Gift of Being Able to FEEL Beauty... even with orgasmic intensity... The Thousand Petalled Lotus Opens ...
Jack> The FRACTAL Petalled Lotus Opens :-)
Jack> What are some of the other experiences you've had like this?
Jack> If you wouldn't mind sharing some. :-)
Jack> Are you feeling comfortable and grounded in this new experience?
laguna> I am.
Jack> That's wonderful Laguna.
laguna> I was trying to bring into words, some of what I have been experiencing.
Jack> Yes please, take a moment. You have the Talking Stick. :-)
laguna> but words are seem to be somewhat limited.
Jack> Hence the birth of poetry... :-)
Jack> And metaphor - those word pictures of often more than a thousand words ...
laguna> they can be good pointers.
Jack> Your statement about words in the midst of such an experience is a very sweet echo of the Zen koan - Words Fail.
laguna> I would say that I have been experiencing an opening/increase in sensual awareness.
Jack> Would you say more about what you mean by sensual awareness?
laguna> the senses, sight, hearing, feeling, and touch
laguna> touch, this one in particular.
Jack> How so?
laguna> It's like this distance between me and the line of trees I was looking at today wasn't there. that we were touching.
Laly> wow.
Jack> Yeah, that makes sense... As you were touching them with your vision now expanded through your sensual (ie of the senses) openings
laguna> my senses seem to be more integrated of late.
Jack> How can you tell?
laguna> hard to say :-)
Jack> Yeah I know.
Jack> How can you tell?
Jack> :-)
Jack> Only if you want to say ... of course. Always.
Jack> Or speak to anything else you'd like.
laguna> I guess it boils down to that I more notice of late when my senses are active.
Jack> What do you mean by active?
laguna> If something catches my attention, like a dag barking last night. I was aware of not only the dog barking had more depth to me than on other times.
laguna> but I noticed my other senses were also active.
Laly> working together?
laguna> yeah, I think that heartgasm can occur when our senses are working together.
Jack> Yeah I agree, laguna. Very good point Laly AND Laguna!
Jack> Working together.
Jack> :-)
laguna> :-)
Laly>
Jack> Yeah by ALLOWING yourself to feel MORE at this deep sensual level, by giving yourself the Multiple Orgasm Trigger practice, along with whatever
Jack> other practices you feel enhance your growth,
Jack> then by opening that main Life Force channel more and more it's like expanding that channel that light pipe that seems to run through us and through
Jack> which this energy or inner-ji seems to flow.
Jack> As that opens more,
Jack> ALL INPUTS ARE AMPLIFIED.
Laly> yes.
Jack> It can also mean that if you feel a hurt or a furball at some time, that because you ARE opened up more, there is a way in which you may feel it MORE although
Jack> NOT NECESSARILY more painfully. That too MAY happen - hence keep building your own support system for continuing personal evolution!
laguna> I would say that I feel more and at the same time I'm more resilient.
Jack> Because now that furball or hurt though felt more - there is often more awareness - and because you have allowed yourself to feel more pleasure that is your birthright - you have more capacity handling it and HEALING it . i m h o :-)
Jack> Yeah laguna that makes TOTAL sense to me.
Jack> READERS PLEASE NOTE THAT along with everything else in this chat. LOL.
Laly>
Jack> laguna what's an example of how you became aware that you are feeling more resilient ?
laguna> I guess by finding myself in a situation that in the past would have been upsetting for me, and now I find now stress.
laguna> less stress*
Jack> Right, you find stress, but less stress. That sounds good to me!
laguna> I had difficulty with the dmv this morning, in the past this would have been hard for me, but I found myself in a good mood and relaxed.
Jack> Much greater chance of a successful outcome for everybody.
Jack> Including the person on the other side of the counter and what they brought with them to work.
laguna> I felt compassion for that poor soul.
Jack> That's what I was starting to write to - that you now SEE them more too.
Jack> What they're missing from life and the GRIEF of that.
Jack> We must find a balance within ourselves to not take on too much of that, yet as you say,
Jack> to act with more awareness and COMPASSION.
laguna> kindness and warmth.
Jack> To me these times we are living in are mostly about our species as a group falling way short in the compassion area.
Jack> Yes indeed. And sometimes you can really see a shift in some one!
laguna> yeah.
Jack> And who knows where that one little ripple of kindness at the right moment in that person's life, may lead?
Jack> You may be saving someone's life and not even know it.
laguna> true.
Jack> It's easier to give when your own cup feels more full :-)
Laly> he knows jack -
Jack> That's human.
Jack> Yeah I'm sure he does laly.
Laly> yeah.
laguna> lol.
laguna> Jack, you mentioned other practices, for myself the other practice I have is I play a wind instrument.
Laly> I just "pay it forward"
Jack> Attagirl Laly !!! I relate TOTALLY to that !
Jack> Thank you Kevin !!!!!!
Jack> Which one, laguna?
laguna> I currently have been playing the na-flute
laguna> for a few years now.
Jack> What's a good link for our community to learn more about the na flute ?
laguna> I can look one up and post it on the forums if you wish.
Jack> Most definitely. Thanks.
Jack> For now can you please tell us what distinguishes the na flute ?
Jack> A little of its history?
laguna> the native American flute is a wooden flute that has a harmonic scale.
Jack> Oh na native American. Uh Thanks.
laguna> :-)
Jack> Yes pls continue ( blush ).
Jack> Ya GOT me! LOL.
Jack> Still looking fwd to the link(s!).
laguna> the flute is a combination of European and American flutes.
Jack> Oh man I'll BET that REALLY integrates well with this practice.
Jack> Your playing the na flute that is.
laguna> it is very easy to learn how to play, and gives the player a nice meditative experience.
Jack> Do you ever integrate it more directly with a MOT practice session such
Jack> as in preparation for KSMO practice or during or ?
laguna> the flute is great for opening up ones heart. When I play it I soar.
Jack> That sounds REALLY wonderful laguna !
laguna> I usually play the flute fora while before I practice KSMO.
Jack> What a lovely gift to give yourself .
Jack> THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
laguna> If someone is interested in the na-flute, there are some excellent recordings out there.
Jack> Whom do you like ?
Jack> Which do you like ?
laguna> Of late, I have been listening to the works of Carlos and also Travis.
Jack> Carlos Nakai ? Did I spell that correctly ?
laguna> yes.
Jack> And Travis ???
laguna> lol, I refer to musicians on first name basis. I will try to remember his last name.
Jack> LOL No worries! Laguna I really hope you'll do a post describing how beneficial the playing of the native American flute is a prelude to MOT practice.
laguna> thanks, and I will.
Jack> I am VERY glad you shared that with us tonight. That is a great one!
Jack> Wow... Is there anything else either of you'd like to discuss or share this evening?
Laly> not from me
Jack> CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN AND AGAIN LALY ON YOUR NEW JOYS !
Laly> *blushing
Laly> thanks
laguna> congrats Laly.
Laly> thanks laguna.
Jack> You are very welcome Ms Laly !
Jack> laguna, anything else this evening?
laguna> :-) I laugh a lot while I'm here in the chat.
laguna> No, I think I'm good.
Laly> just wanna say - the gates of heaven are open
Jack> That's GREAT Brother. Laughingasms are definitely some of my favorites.
Jack> Yes INDEED Laly!!!
Jack> Thanks VERY much to both of you for sharing what you have this evening. This is VERY valuable information. Thank you again and again for your insights and your willingness to share such a personal journey . Whew ...
laguna> and thank you Jack for hosting this forum.
Jack> You are very welcome.
laguna> night Laly.
Jack> Sweet Dreams Ms Laly!
laguna> :-)
Jack> u2 Laguna :-)
Session Close: Thu Jun 15 19:09:26 2006