• newbies squall_05 and davincian join Jack for a discussion of KSMO basics and a couple of books on X-Spot orgasm and female ejaculation.
• squall_05 tells Jack that he has been practicing the Key Sound for a few days and could feel the sound taking the pressure off but he was not making the Key Sound loudly. Jack replies that some people make the mistake of believing that it's necessary to make the Key Sound louder and this can actually work against you. He goes on to say it is a good idea to just make the Key Sound very gently and that the purpose of the Key sound is simply to give the arousal from a single touch or caress a very gentle little push.
• squall_05 inquires whether the Key Sound is supposed to be used throughout stimulation. Jack asks if he has downloaded the PDF document called the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Summary Update. squall_05 replies that he has but only looked at it briefly. Jack responds that it is important to follow that guideline very closely, especially in the beginning as it is a distillation of the Protocol based on over 10 years of experience teaching the KSMO protocol.
• squall_05 asks what the timespan is for learning KSMO. Jack replies that anywhere from a few weeks to seven years is the current range but it depends on several factors and there is no way to predict how long it would take him personally to learn the skill. He goes on to say that most people tend to learn it anywhere from a few weeks to a year and they usually start noticing Echo Effects from the very beginning if they are following the Protocol. Jack also mentions that a major trap is falling into the pattern of trying to "make the orgasms happen or chasing the orgasms".
• davincian, who has been practicing for about 3 days, volunteers that he is starting to feel Echo Effects and inquires if is normal to feel them while not performing the Key Sound. Jack replies it is quite common and is one of the reasons he recommends taking at least one day off between practice sessions. Jack stresses the importance of taking it slow and not try to speed up the process or make the Key Sound louder in the hopes of making the Echo Effects stronger.
• davincian asks whether he should keep everything constant until he gets the desired results. Jack responds that he is already getting the desired results and it's just a matter of allowing the erotic response system to become adjusted. Then the Echo Effects will automatically tend to increase in intensity over time.
• davincian says that he will review the audio seminar. Jack replies that it is a huge help to review the audio seminar every so often during the learning experience. He asks davincian to document his progress through a thread in the Forum.
• davincian inquires about the X-spot product. Jack responds that it is a book about an area in the vagina that for women is intensely pleasurable. davincian says he and his partner have been working on the g-spot to see if he can get her to squirt. Jack cautions about falling into the trap of making one's partner do things for their own agenda and he should make sure that this is something his partner wants to do. He suggests that davincian offer her Deborah Sundahl's book on female ejaculation in addition to Debbie Tideman's book on the X-Spot orgasm.
• davincian says that after he learns the skill he will bring others to the website. Jack informs him about his affiliate program and invites him to sign up for it.
• Jack concludes the session by thanking davincian for a GREAT chat.

Session Start: Sat Nov 05 12:04:00 2005
Jack> Hey squall, Welcome back!
Jack> How are you today?
squall_05> I thought there would be more people here.
Jack> There may be, a little later...
Jack> Sometimes there are several people, and sometimes just a few.
Jack> Meanwhile, you have the multiple orgasm expert awaiting your questions!
Jack> :-)
Jack> How long have you been practicing?
squall_05> I've only had the program now for a few days and haven't really had much time to practice.
Jack> So that we can get to know your little better,
Jack> Would you be willing to share your approximate age, marital status, gender, and sexual orientation? You are under no obligation to share any of this, only what you're comfortable sharing. That's true for all discussions here!
Jack> Oh yes, and where in the world, generally, are you typing from?
squall_05> Well, I'm 19, single, male. I'm in South Dakota.
Jack> Okay, great. Thank you! What have you experienced during your practice sessions so far?
Jack> Or, what questions do you have?
squall_05> All I have really practiced is making the Key Sound. It made me feel relaxed when I practiced it without stimulation. I practiced the Key Sound with stimulation slightly, I could feel the sound almost taking pressure off me. But I was not making the sound very loudly.
Jack> That sounds perfect! Sometimes people make the mistake of believing that it's necessary to make the Key Sound louder,
Jack> That actually that can work against you. It's pretty much always a good idea to just make the Key Sound very gently.
squall_05> It isn't necessary to make it louder?
Jack> I realize that that may seem hard to believe!
Jack> The purpose of the Key Sound is simply to give the arousal resulting from a single touch or caress of an erotically-sensitive area a very gentle little push.
squall_05> Ok.
Jack> It's analogous to gently pushing water in a bathtub to create waves. To do it correctly it's important to never push
Jack> too hard.
squall_05> That makes sense.
Jack> It seems that it's especially true for those of us who are male,
Jack> That we are used to relying on increasing stimulation to try to build more arousal. The most extreme example of that is "going for it".
squall_05> Is this practice basically a modernized version of tantra?
Jack> Well, I was influenced by some other writings in tantra, but it's been my experience that although the people who teach tantra these days
Jack> Can offer many insights, etc., I've never been aware of anyone who has taught this particular method. It's something that I discovered and developed.
Jack> A background in tantra, Qi Gung, etc. can be helpful, but it's not necessary to learn this skill.
squall_05> Is the Key Sound supposed to be used throughout stimulation, or only during the heightened peaks of arousal?
Jack> Squall, have you downloaded the PDF document yet?
Jack> It's called the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Summary Update.
squall_05> Yes I have, I only looked it over briefly though.
Jack> Ok, it's it's important to follow that guideline very closely, especially in the beginning. It's a distillation of the Protocol based on over 10 years
Jack> Of the experience teaching this method.
Jack> I realize that especially in the beginning a person can be very anxious to get started and learn the skill right away, but one of the most important skills to acquire
Jack> Is to learn to SLOW DOWN. That may begin by taking the time to read that PDF carefully. :-)
squall_05> I will read it over again. In what kind of timespan can someone usually learn this skill?
Jack> Anywhere from a few weeks to seven years is the current range. It really depends on a lot of factors, including your previous beliefs about male orgasm versus male ejaculation,
Jack> Whether or not you have suffered any sexual abuse or other forms of abuse from what you have not yet recovered, etc.
Jack> There really is no way to predict how long it will take you personally learn the skill.
Jack> Most people tend to learn it anywhere from a few weeks to a year, and of that group, most people
Jack> Start noticing new feelings, what I refer to as the Echo Effects, from the very beginning of practice, once they are following the suggestions I make in the seminar and particularly in that PDF that I mentioned.
Jack> The basic idea is number one, to learn to relax, and to continue that relaxation throughout the whole process. The more relaxed you are, the higher the arousal can become, in the more intense the orgasmic waves and become.
Jack> A major trap, especially in the beginning of practice, is to fall into a pattern of trying to " make the orgasms happen ".
Jack> What we sometimes referred to here as " chasing the orgasm ".
Jack> What's really revolutionary about this discovery, is that instead of using the old pattern of increasing stimulation in an effort to try to build arousal,
Jack> Which of course tends to trigger the ejaculation reflex, he replaced that pattern with using VERY LITTLE stimulation ... basically, just that SINGLE touch or caress
Jack> Of any pleasurable part of your body, and then use my discovery, the Key Sound, to AMPLIFY the automatic pleasure response it occurs as a result of your single touch.
Jack> Does that make sense to you?
squall_05> Yes, it makes sense.
Jack> GREAT! Would be okay if we take a moment to give davincian a chance to make an introduction?
davincian> Oh ok, I'm 18 from Virginia
davincian> I bought the product recently, but I'm just going over the Protocol throughly before I try it
Jack> Welcome! If you're comfortable doing so, would you also be willing to share with us your marital status, and if you care to your sexual orientation, as well as approximately how long you have been practicing The Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol?
Jack> Okay, that's great! I'm really glad that you came to the chat today. It's a very good habit to get into, because, along with posting to the Forum,
davincian> I'm single, straight, and I've been practicing about 3 days now.
Jack> It really is the fastest way to learn the skill.
davincian> So the main thing is to relax, use a single touch, and the "Key Sound" to build arousal?
Jack> That really is the essential core of the method!
Jack> Just as I describe in that PDF document.
davincian> Ok thanks because I was confused when I first began
davincian> I'm just starting to feel the Echo Effects.
Jack> Hey, that's great!
davincian> Is it normal to feel the echo effects while not performing the Key Sound?
Jack> What kinds of Echo Effects
Jack> are you noticing?
davincian> Tingling sensations that go thru my spine and branch out thru my body.
Jack> Actually, yes it is quite common. In fact, it's one of the reasons I recommend that you always take at least one day off between practice sessions,
Jack> And there's a good chance you will start noticing Echo Effects
Jack> on the days BETWEEN sessions.
Jack> Davincian, that is really excellent! It sounds like you're right on track! At this point, it's really important to simply continue that slow, relaxed practice, and not to
Jack> Fall into the trap of trying to speed up the process, for example by using more stimulation, or by mistakenly trying to use a louder Key Sound
Jack> in the hopes of making the Echo Effects stronger.
Jack> Squall, do you have any questions for davincian?
squall_05> I don't believe so.
davincian> so keep everything constant until I get the desired results?
Jack> You are ALREADY getting the desired results! Now, it's just a matter of ALLOWING your erotic response system to become adjusted to this new pattern. Then the Echo Effects will AUTOMATICALLY tend to increase in intensity, over time.
davincian> Oh this is great!
Jack> Yeah! It's actually unbelievably simple, isn't it?
davincian> Yes Now that I think about it.
Jack> For most people, the greatest challenge is being able to change their thinking, their habits for increasing arousal, and their expectations.
Jack> LOL!
davincian> You're right it's the mental part thats the hardest
davincian> How many times should we use the single touch during one session?
Jack> Yeah, I have this saying: " The greatest challenge is not between the legs, it's between the ears! "
Jack> Good question! You may use the single touch, followed by a relaxed gentle Key Sound, followed by two to four gentle, relaxing breaths
Jack> Throughout the entire 20 minute practice session.
Jack> As arousal builds,
Jack> Then, WITHOUT FORCING,
Jack> You may ALLOW that increasing intensity of feeling to flow out through your Key Sounds
Jack> As an alternative for example to " going for it "... and by that I mean as an alternative to increasing stimulation to "relieve" the increasing tension/arousal through ejaculation. In effect,
Jack> You learn to ejaculate the AROUSAL ENERGY through the Key Sound rather than through ejaculation.
davincian> Ahh I get it
Jack> Yeah, I agree!
Jack> Kind of exciting, isn't it? :-)
squall_05> I actually don't believe I have any more questions. I understand the method, now I just need to do more practice sessions.
Jack> I hear you. What new understanding have you acquired during the chat today so far?
squall_05> Its not about stimulation, its about releasing the sexual energy through the sound. And to take it slow, don't rush it or try and push it to work.
Jack> You got it, Brother!
squall_05> alright....I am going to go now. I will be sure to ask if I have any more questions.
Jack> Just follow the simple steps, and continue to refine your CORRECT articulation of the Key Sound.
squall_05> alright. I'll keep working on it. thank you.
Jack> Okay squall, thanks very much for stopping by. I hope you will
Jack> Post your experiences and any questions you may have to the Forum. This is not only to help yourself,
Jack> But also because by your questions and also by your experiences, you will help me teach many, many others!
Jack> And I know if you realize this,
Jack> But this skill that you are now learning is still known only by several thousand men and women
Jack> On the ENTIRE planet!
Davincian> I think after I learn it, I'm going to bring people to your website
Jack> That sounds great! I would just like to invite you to reframe your descriptions of your experience somewhat
Jack> And realize that you already have learned it. It's now nearly a matter of intensity. I make this point, for an important cognitive reason:
Jack> I believe that it's very important for you to go ahead and claim that you already have acquired the essential components of this skill,
Jack> And to appreciate that it's not somewhere out there in the distance.
Davincian> Oh ok I see, I have it learned, it's just suppressed
Davincian> and by doing the technique, helps to "remove the layers" so to speak.
Jack> It's just AWAKENING. :-)
Jack> Yes that's it exactly, re: the layers... the layers of enculturation, and mistaken beliefs about male sexual response that we have ALL learned in this culture.
Jack> Man, you are REALLY fortunate to be learning this skill at such a young age!
Davincian> I'm glad I found this website
Jack> Me too! It's great to have you here! BTW re: telling others: please sign up as an affiliate (you don't need a website) and
Jack> you'll get a commission every time you refer someone who becomes involved with the program!
Jack> http://www.multiples.com/affiliates/
Jack> People are gonna be wondering: "Wow! Why does that guy have such a smile on his face!" ;-)
Davincian> ok Cool, I have some friends I think would love this, it really is freedom from thinking that orgasming=ejaculation
Jack> YES INDEED!!!
Jack> And man, that is REALLY LIBERATING!!!
Jack> Just let your friends know also that the seminars have a money-back guarantee so they're not risking any $$$. And they get
Jack> participation in the Forum and these chats included. That IMHO is one heck of an opportunity!
Davincian> Ok
Jack> I don't know of anybody else in this biz that makes such an offer. ( Beatin' my own drum here a bit! ) :-)
Jack> BTW, I want to make really clear,
Jack> That there is no requirement to use the Key Sound during intercourse.
Jack> You may of course tend to allow SPONTANEOUS sounds to occur, since that is part of natural sexual expression whereas suppressing sound that " wants " to happen
Jack> would tend to reduce the arousal. That said, provided you and your sex partner have discussed it an agreed, use of the Key Sound
Jack> during intercourse can most assuredly increase the intensity and the intimate connection between you and your partner. That's why
Davincian> Yes, we are open about our sexuality
Davincian> I'm not closed-minded when it comes to sex.
Jack> That's a huge plus, to be so open-minded! You are way ahead of the pack in that regard!
Jack> I included that couple's exercise in the first seminar.
Davincian> the audio seminar?
Jack> The audio seminar: Male Multiple Orgasm Step by Step.
Davincian> oh ok The one I bought
Jack> EXACTLY!
Jack> Like I said b4: You're already there !
Jack> :-)
Jack> Now it's really a matter of just doing the practice, being sure to give yourself at least one day off between each practice session
Jack> And to avoid the trap of trying to force the Echo Effects to become stronger, for example by using an ARTIFICIALLY louder Key Sound.
Davincian> I think I'll listen to the seminar later on tonight, since I practiced yesterday
Jack> Yeah that's a really good idea! It's a huge help to review the audio seminar every so often throughout your learning experience,
Jack> As certain things I may have mentioned will take on new meaning to you as you acquire more experience. Likewise,
Jack> It's also a good idea to review the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Summary Update PDF every so often as well.
Davincian> Ok I will
Jack> Between chats, I really hope you will document your Awakening by posting your experiences and insights to the Forum as you continue your practice.
Davincian> I'll keep a journal on my progress
Jack> You'll be amazed at how much impact that will have for people all over the world.
Jack> Yes, please! A good place to start a journal thread in the Forum, is in the conference titled " First Time Experiencing ... "
Jack> Doing so REALLY inspires and motivates other people to explore this opportunity for themselves, and it gives them hope that things can be different for them as well.
Davincian> Alright thank you
Jack> You are very welcome!
Jack> I really look forward to the next time we have the opportunity to chat!
Davincian> What is the X-spot product about, I saw that and I'm looking forward to buying it
Jack> That's a great little book written by a housewife in the Midwest. She discovered an area in the vagina that is located a little bit past the famous G-Spot
Jack> That for many women is even more intensely pleasurable. She writes in a very frank and at times humorous style, and the book has a lot of drawings and it as well as a very playful sex game.
Davincian> Ohhhh sounds interesting
Davincian> do you know anyone who has had success with it?
Jack> RE: know anyone who's had success...
Jack> Yes! My wife! :-)
Jack> By the way, FYI my Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol is equally effective for women as it is for men!
Davincian> Great! I can show my girlfriend
Davincian> I'm working on the G-spot now, to see if I can get her to squirt
Jack> Is that something that SHE wants?
Davincian> Yes, I don't force her to do anything she does not want to, takes away from the relationship and arousal.
Jack> yep!
Jack> Does she agree cuz YOU want it, or cuz SHE wants it?
Davincian> We both want to please each other and not ourselves(our own pleasure is second to other others) , we study Tantra also
Davincian> If she doesn't want to, I'll ask her
Jack> VERY good idea! Sometimes guys can fall into the trap
Jack> of " MAKING their partner " do this or that, for their OWN agenda, and of course women in our culture have
Jack> A lot of cultural conditioning to " give him whatever he wants " when in fact they may not really have any emotional connection to it.
Davincian> I'm learning to let go of my ego, and not do things for my own selfish pleasures
Jack> Ahhhh!!! It's really GREAT that you're tuning into that at your young age!!!
Jack> That TOO is a SKILL!
Jack> :-)
Jack> " For the record " Deborah Sundahl's book in my catalog, on female ejaculation, is an outstanding resource re: female ejaculation. You might offer
Jack> her the book and then let her know that ** IF ** that is something that SHE would like to explore,
Jack> That you would be happy to explore it with her,
Jack> While making it clear that you don't want her to agree to it just to please you. What do you think?
Jack> Regarding female ejaculation, or really anything else about your lover's sexual response, it's really important to make sure that SHE is choosing into that behavior or exploration
Jack> Because it is truly something that SHE wants to experience, rather than just doing at because she thinks YOU want her to. That's the importance of MUTUAL consent in sexual activity that is its cornerstone.
Davincian> Oh ok I see
Davincian> We usually talk about stuff before trying it in the bedroom, and if she doesn't want to do something, or I sense that she does not, I drop it immediately
Jack> So, in addition to Debbie Tideman's book
Jack> on the X-Spot Orgasm, you could offer her Deborah Sundahl's book on female ejaculation, and then ask her if it's something SHE is interested in exploring, not just to please you, but because SHE wants to, at THIS time.
Jack> Then let her know that IF that is the case, you're happy to explore it WITH her if she'd like. That's very different than just deciding
Jack> on your own that you want to "make" her squirt. Do you sense that difference? :-)
Davincian> Yes I see the difference. Sometimes I don't articulate the way I want lol misinterpretation happens a lot
Davincian> over the internet*
Jack> Hey no prob! :-) I think actually you came thru pretty clearly... I know for sure that you bore her no ill will. I just wanted to alert you to the
Davincian> I still think it is a good Idea to let her know that
Jack> difference between your deciding on your own that you want to see if you can "make" her do this or that sexually (I don't make=force her, but just more like make=pushing certain buttons, etc.)
Jack> ...and ASKING her IF it's something that SHE might like to explore AT THIS TIME and IF so, would she prefer to do that exploration by herself (at least initially) or
Jack> would she like you to explore it with her (at SOME point).
Jack> THAT kind of thing. :-)
Jack> Trying "make" OURSELVES "come" OR to "make" someone else come or squirt or whatever seems to be drifting AWAY from MUTUAL *INFORMED* consent (TRUE CONSENT, NOT "CONSENT TO PLEASE THE OTHER PERSON").
Davincian> I showed one friend of mine, your site, and he has an email list of over 3,000 people on it, after he buys your product, I think he is going to show it to his list
Jack> Hey that's great re: your friend! As long as his maillist is an opt-in list, i.e. no spamming, that would be GREAT!
Davincian> it's an opt-in list, the only way to get on is through his site, then they have to click a link in the email to confirm there status
Jack> RE: Your friend telling HIS list and friends... Here's what I recommend:
Jack> My affiliate program is TWO-TIER. What that means is
Jack> that when YOU sign up as an affiliate, and then give him your affiliate link to my site, you get a commish on his purchase. (That's Tier One). THEN,
Jack> when he gets turned on to the value of this method, encourage HIM to sign up as an affiliate. Since you referred him, he will automatically sign up "under" your affiliate status.
Jack> Then YOU get a commish (as does he!) on all seminar buyers that HE refers! That way we all win, including the 3,000 people he knows who don't know yet what this method can do for them.
Jack> Step One: You sign up as an affiliate at http://www.multiples.com/affiliates/.
Jack> The system will give you a link, and as soon as I see that you've signed up, I will encrypt that link for security and concision.
Davincian> ok
Jack> Step Two: You tell him about my site and what you're experiencing here, including the Forum and chat coaching included and most importantly
Jack> What your personal experience is using this method,
Jack> and instead of giving him just www.multiples.com you give him your affiliate link to my site AND tell him that BEFORE he tells his list,
Jack> that HE also sign up at http://www.multiples.com/affiliates/
Jack> then HE will get his OWN affiliate link that is coded to recognize that you referred him. Then you both get commish on the people from his list who
Jack> get involved. Of course, any time you have any questions about that, or really anything else about using the resources
Jack> at this site or the method itself, just let me know! OK?
Davincian> Ok. Thank you
Jack> You're VERY welcome!
Jack> Talk with you soon. This has been a GREAT chat!!!
Davincian> It has. thank you
Session Close: Sat Nov 05 14:28:54 2005