• Laly joins Jack for a discussion of the progress she has made through the use of the KSMO protocol.
• Laly shares that she has become much more open and responsive. Jack inquires how this came about. Laly responds that she let go of all apprehension and allowed herself freedom to explore.
• Laly says there is one more gate she needs to open before she can truly call herself healed. Jack encourages her to engage in nurturing and healing activities in dealing with the emotional "furballs". He also mentions the value of obtaining professional assistance.
• Laly mentions that the KSMO practice has helped by allowing her to explore her sexuality when previously she was hesitant to try. Also the resting period between practices gives her time to emotionally reconnect with body, heart, mind, and soul. Jack notes this as another confirmation of the significant benefits of the times between practice sessions.
• Laly volunteers that before KSMO, she would feel drained and unhappy after a climax, that it was just for stress relief and there was no joy involved. After KSMO, she notes that the sheer volume of bliss and orgasmic energy that blossomed was amazing. Jack likens this to the blossoming of the thousand petaled lotus referred to by the wise ones of old.
• Jacks asks Laly what she would say to other women about the transition. Laly responds that they do not have to fear their sexuality. Jack provides a link to professional assistance in overcoming such fears.
• Jack congratulates and thanks Laly for bring a female perspective to the forums and notes the tremendous progress she has made.

Session Start: Thu Oct 27 18:01:20 2005
Jack> Hello! How are you Laly?
Laly> great JAck and you?
Jack> I'm doing well thanks. It's been a full, productive week. :-)
Jack> Slowwww progress in the good.
Laly> good :_) .
Laly> Actually just got off a conversation about KSMO program wth someone
Laly> and invited them to take a look.
Jack> I'm really enjoying the thread that you and Mog have going.
Jack> Cool!
Laly> Me too.
Jack> I hope they benefit from the information.
Jack> Thanks for sharing your story!
Laly> You are welcome :-),
Laly> never thought I'd see the day that i'd be this open and responsive and want to share.
Jack> How did those changes happen?
Laly> Once I realized that I was denying myself ,
Laly> and making myself unhappy by doing that
Laly> I let go of any apprehension and "allowed" myself freedom to explore.
Jack> That's really wonderful to hear...
Laly> Once I came to terms that what happened in my past was NOT my fault
Jack> [ Amen! ]
Laly> I gradually allowed myself to forgive
Laly> and not view myself as "dirty" and ashamed.
Jack> Way
Jack> to
Jack> GROW!!!
Jack> Congratulations on rebirthing yourselfs!
Laly> *blushing - thanks.
Jack> blushing=endorphins release. Good for immune system and all else. :-)
Laly> Well between that and my singing heart I am estatic.
Jack> Yeah that's a really good example of what I mean by learning to heal what I refer to as the emotional furballs.
Laly> Yeah.
Jack> I also refer to it as
Jack> trance-ending internalized oppression .
Laly> :-) .
Jack> I hope you'll give yourself lots of ways of expressing the new feelings... e.g. finger painting , dancing , express yo' self! :-)
Jack> clay can be fun too and healing ... very grounding .
Laly> I know there is one more important "gate" I need to open before I truly can call myself "healed"
Laly> yeah.
Jack> Not trying to make anything in particular just move through the ahem medium .
Laly> *nodding head.
Jack> e.g. the finger/hand painting ... nobody says you gotta show anybody
Jack> Any of your work / play ... or you can pick and choose . Claiming choice
Jack> is a big part of it I think.
Laly> Yes it is.
Jack> Exercising choice .
Laly> I spent 3 hours sunday meditating
Laly> no music - just quiet and let myself just "go"
Jack> sweet !
Laly> and felt so at peace and joyful after that.
Jack> I'm getting that feeling just hearing you talk about it!
Laly> :-) .
Jack> And really sounds healing and nurturing , Laly ...
Laly> Well when the emotional furballs get to be a bit too much for me I just come home - light a few candles and
Laly> sit and breathe in and out and relax.
Laly> which is what I needed sunday.
Jack> All the better reason that you allowed yourself to experience it!
Jack> I really believe that that act of giving to yourself in that way offers tremendous healing power ...
Laly> I hit my major" furball" saturday, actually had nightmares in daytime about it .
Jack> Yaw!
Jack> Yow!!!
Jack> How did you take care of yourself to get through it?
Laly> I almost didn't..
Laly> I was back at that night of the rape...
Laly> standing in front of the door to that memory
Laly> having my hand on the door ,
Laly> and couldn;t go through it
Laly> as much as I wanted to, just there and cried.
Laly> knowing what was happening on the other side and not being able to help .. go to her.
Jack> To me it also sounds like a power place to sit and grieve OUTside that door too .
Laly> uh huh. that is when I went and meditated.
Jack> And this time you don't have to go in all alone. That's where the professional assistance I believe is a really good idea.
Jack> Yeah that's great emotional first aid - that meditation !!!
Jack> WELL DONE!
Laly> Thank you
Laly> am further that i have been before. never been to the door much less be able to touch it.
Jack> It's also why I think just the act of giving oneself some professional assistance can in itself be healing as well.
Laly> I am working on that as we speak.
Jack> ALLOWING yourself to call on allies to render aid beyond the door .
Jack> That is REALLY GREAT Laly!
Jack> Way to give to yourself !
Laly> NO longer am I ignoring this Jack, thanks.
Jack> Happy Rebirth Day!
Laly> *smiling.
Jack> 365/yr
Laly> True.
Jack> :-)
Jack> seems that way from here too .
Jack> What could you say about all this
Jack> and what you've been learning through all of this
Jack> to women especially women with similar histories ?
Jack> HERstories .
Laly> That her life does not necessarily end at that tragic moment - that her life can be happy, and whole again
Jack> And how the Multiple Orgasm Trigger practice ... what role it may have played.
Jack> I say amen to THAT, Laly!
Laly> How the practice helped ....
Laly> hmmm
Laly> let me list the ways lol.
Jack> Please ! So they'll take heart . :-)
Laly> Ok
Laly> It helped me by allowing me to explore my sexuality when before I was afraid or hestitant to try before
Laly> and the suggsted "resting" period between practices gave me the time to emotionally "re-connect" with my body, heart. mind, and soul.
Jack> READERS PLEASE NOTE : ANOTHER CONFIRMATION OF THE SIGNIFICANT BENEFITS OF THE TIMES BETWEEN PRACTICE SESSIONS !
Jack> That move you've made into meditation along with it seems to be creating a great synergy .
Jack> What about it seem to help you allow yourself that gift?
Laly> Before - I felt like it was wrong
Laly> or "bad"
Laly> "naughty" even.
Jack> Yeah that's the guck I call internalized oppression ... aka furballs! Puh TOOEY!
Laly> Uh huh.
Jack> :-)
Jack> Can you say more about what that shift is being like ... from what felt like wrong to ... now ?
Laly> I can try
Jack> Only IF you want to , and Only to whatever extent YOU choose . That's ALWAYS the case here , by the way .
Laly> before - I would feel drained and so unhappy after a climax
Laly> like I didn't really "want" to do it, but felt like I "had" to do it
Laly> just to relieve the stress I was under at teh time.
Laly> there was no joy or happiness involved.
Jack> Yeah, I hear you .
Jack> How did you first realize change was beginning to happen ?
Laly> After my first KS orgasm
Jack> What about the experience let you know that things could be different in fact were already beginning to change?
Laly> The sure volume of bliss and orgasmic engery that "blossomed" was amazing
Jack> I love that term blossom I really relate to that .
Jack> Evidently some of the wise ones of old did too since they referred to the experience as the blossoming of the thousand petalled lotus :-)
Laly> True jack. that is how I view each day - like watching that lotus flower gently bloom daily.
Laly> and view KSMO practice.
Laly> Well instead of feeling drained like before, I had so much vibrant energy
Laly> as I referd to in my shy newbie thread.
Jack> OMG THAT RESONATES BIG TIME. Yeah, in your shy newbie thread . :-)
Jack> Look at how far you've grown already !
Laly> :-).
Jack> I LOVE that image of watching the lotus bloom daily !
Laly> me too.
Jack> Wise Woman !
Laly> its beauty never ceases to amaze me- awed each day .
Jack> Quite a Fountain , isn't it?
Laly> is a rare treausre to behold.
Laly> yes it is.
Jack> What else might you like to say to other women
Jack> about what this transition , this opening , has been like ?
Jack> I guess what I am saying here
Laly> That they do not have to fear their sexuality
Jack> WELL SAID , imho!
Laly> or be ashamed of it.
Jack> And maybe not so much fear about the furballs either ESPECIALLY if they're willing to make a commitment to themselves to get the compassionate skilled professional assistance that might need from time to time to help heal those old wounds and move on .
Laly> yes!
Jack> http://www.aasect.org/directory.asp
Jack> Directory of the American Association of Sex Educators Counselors and Therapists .
Jack> For the Record. :-)
Jack> Well I really want to continue to congratulate you on your COURAGE and your generosity first
Laly> It is only natural that a woman is curious about her body as well as curious about others as well.
Jack> to yourself for taking the risk of this kind of intimacy with yourself and then
Jack> to be willing to share here thru your pseudonymic identity what your adventure has been like thus far.
Jack> Yeah, re: curious .
Laly> I never thought of it as a risk , more a new "journey to take" in my life
Jack> That's a good tip !
Laly> and what a journey it has been thus far :-)
Jack> :-)
Laly> heartgasms, soulgasms, multilpe orgasms.
Laly> WOW!
Jack> Yeah and mindgasms too! LOL!
Jack> laughingasms!
Jack> The first guy who ever learned this from me , Ron , calls them Moregasms !
Laly> Oh my .. laughing so hard tears are falling.
Jack> That's his interview on the first seminar btw .
Laly> cool.
Laly> awesome to know.
Jack> I'm pretty sure Drew remembers Ron from some of the early chats .
Laly> possible.
Jack> Which, btw are online in the Chat Transcripts Conference in the Forum . From the Git. :-)
Laly> and they are great refering back to as well. these past chats.
Jack> Yeah! It's a huge Knowledge Base on this particular method's discovery and evolution . Many many stories ! :-)
Jack> POWER Stories !
Laly> uh huh, I have so much fun just browsing the message boards.
Laly> posting to awesome stories I find.
Jack> Yeah it's great to let synchronicity lead you to the gems!
Laly> and offering my experiences in return.
Laly> from the femalle perspective of course :P .
Jack> I'm thinking of creating a blogging function in the Forum where each person who wanted to could have a blog space
Jack> and post links to their favorite info IN the Forum , as well as outside to other resources.
Laly> WOW- that would be great.
Laly> Intriguing to say the least .
Jack> Yeah it's GREAT that you're bringing a female perspective to the current conversations in the Forum . I see a lot of appreciation for your contributions being posted by many others .
Laly> Just spreading out the joy and happiness to others.
Laly> these days i have a never-ending supply of it>
Laly> :-).
Jack> Attagirl! :-) And THANK YOU for helping do so ! I think MOST of the people IN THE WORLD typically feel quite a bit like you described in your " before " description so your
Jack> efforts are serving BIG TIME to help change that !
Jack> That incredible power is automatically built right in to your story .
Laly> Thanks, is an honor to be able to.
Jack> That's why I'm very grateful that you are sharing it with this community .
Laly> all that I am and have is laid out. right there.
Laly> I hold nothing back.
Jack> I'm very glad you feel comfortable doing so in this space . That has been my goal ... to offer a space where people from all over the globe literally may feel secure enough to share their story and thru
Jack> that help each other heal and grow .
Laly> Whether I speak fro the heart, from my mind or even from my soul
Laly> I share what I learn and know.
Jack> * Thank you * for doing so!
Laly> Uh huh.
Laly> There are days I cry when I post to the message boards.
Laly> cause it affects me still the next day.
Laly> the Echo Effects.
Laly> bliss tears or happy tears whatever you may call them.
Laly> :-).
Jack> So people will have a better idea , LOL I was just asking you to clarify that ! I figured
Jack> I knew what you meant but wanted to make sure and give the readers a chance to hear it from directly ! Yeah those
Jack> kind of tears I call BRIMMING like the bliss is so full it just BRIMS OVER THE TOP !
Laly> Yeah.
Jack> Yeah I want to recall the readers' attention
Jack> to your once again referring to the blissful Echo Effects on the days BETWEEN practice sessions .
Jack> That is SO different than the " going for it " model that both men AND women have somehow learned in our culture !
Laly> True
Jack> It's an amazing paradox how going for it i.e. using more and more
Jack> stimulation , often leads to LESS satisfaction and often
Jack> greater feelings of emptiness , etc. whereas ALLOWING instead
Jack> of going for it allows the Well of Bliss to fill the Empty Cup ! :-)
Laly> uh huh.
Jack> Or something like that .
Jack> LOL!
Laly> I understood it.
Jack> Yeah I enjoyed it when I said it ... it was a nice image . I tend to think visually that way .
Laly> You just descibed me to a T , before and after KSMO.
Jack> I'm glad it resonated for you too !
Jack> Oh! Please elucidate !
Jack> Yeah I was keying off of what you said . Thanks for saying it !
Laly> :-).
Jack> :-)
Laly> and I bet that would be true for many people as well.
Laly> being less satisfied and empty.
Laly> thus leading to hard to orgasm.
Jack> by hard do you mean difficult ?
Laly> Yes I do.
Laly> thanks for the clarification.
Jack> Yes, thought so . Yeah it's cuz for the most part our culture teaches
Jack> that, especially for men , the only way to orgasm is through more stimulation , when in
Jack> fact that can actually SUPRESS orgasmic enjoyment while nevertheless triggering ejaculation or in women
Jack> what may tend to be more localized feelings and like you reported in your own before story .
Laly> Yeah.
Jack> To me that's a big part of what I personally value in this practice .
Laly> me too, very sacred
Laly> and blessed am I.
Jack> FROM SCARED TO SACRED
Jack> TRANCE
Jack> END
Jack> DANCE
Laly> Yes -- .
Laly> scared before because I was expecting things - and now sacred cause I allow myself freedom to explore.
Laly> :-).
Jack> Yes INDEED!
Laly> *laughs, heart is singing "oh what a glorious feeling" .
Jack> Yep there's that transition again ! :-)
Jack> From a feeling of felling to FEELING !
Jack> :-)
Laly> ok- gonna cry now hang on.
Jack> Doth thy cup brim ?
Laly> yes it did .
Jack> Mo' FEELING !!!
Jack> OMG !!!
Jack> :-)
Laly> Brimming with joy.
Jack> Hallelujah !
Jack> I love that word !
Laly> The energy that is in my room right now is awesome
Laly> like a thousand rays of sunshine radiating all around.
Jack> Way to Light Up the Neighborhood !
Laly> :-0.
Jack> :-)
Laly> If I could just share a glimpse of 1/10 of this engery to someone
Jack> Patience ... grasshoppa ... :-)
Laly> *laughs
Jack> That's also a good goal to take into the work with a counselor , e.g. btw.
Laly> What I meant was that a person who get an idea of what KSMO really could do for them.
Laly> not just the sexual orgasms.
Jack> I really think that's coming through in your posts and chats !
Jack> For SURE!
Jack> Yeah like MOST of what we've been talking about tonight are the EMOTIONS and the HEALING and so on ... the sexual energy
Jack> provides a great channel for it , it seems to me , through this practice .
Laly> Yes, a diving rod if you will.
Jack> That's why I appreciate your posts both from your own experience and in reply to others , as well as your presence and presents in these chats .
Laly> It is a pleasure for me.
Jack> :-)
Jack> You are bringing joy and support to others too ! Win Win Win !
Laly> Thanks.
Jack> You are very welcome! And thanks VERY much for being here tonight.
Laly> I try and "spread the wealth"
Laly> lol.
Laly> You're welcome Jack.
Jack> :-)
Jack> Well I'd better get going. Thank you for sharing so much tonight!
Laly> Ok - take care and you all have a very blessed day.
Jack> Take good care . Be gentle with yourself . And...
Laly> You too Jack HUGSS.
Jack> Look How Far You've Come !
Jack> And to you!
Laly> uh huh.
Jack> :-)
Jack> g'nite. Sweet Dreams ...
Laly> Ok-- back at ya!
Laly> bye
Jack> bye for now ...
Session Close: Thu Oct 27 19:49:19 2005