<center><font color="red">Complete Transcript of Multiple Orgasm Trigger Coaching Chat 0217</center><font color="black"><hr>Please post YOUR comments AND QUESTIONS in reply...<center><font color="red">VERY IMPORTANT</center><font color="black">PLEASE remember: DO NOT quote the entire transcript in your reply. ONLY quote the segments about which you are specifically commenting... Thanks!<HR>Summary of Chat 0217 (full transcript below):
<font color="red">[*]newbies romdrv56,joshmultiple2005 and veterans Laly and donnoi join Jack for a discussion of the KSMO protocol and the benefits in later stages of the practice.<font color="black">[*]Jack leads off with newbie romdrv56 who has been practicing for 2 weeks and reports no progress. Jack questions him about how he practices and discovers he is not using the advice of a single caress. He advises him to use the single touch or caress and to limit the practice to 20 minutes per session. Laly and donnoi agree with Jack's advice and Laly suggests the use of a feather for the caress.[*]Jack continues the discussion with romdrv56 by inquiring about how he is making the Key Sound. romdrv56 says he follows the example but doesn't know if he is doing it right. Laly suggests laying his hand on his chest while making the Key Sound to ensure it is resonating. Jack tells him to make sure the the Key Sound is relaxed without ever forcing it. He also suggests that romdrv56 get the audio seminar with the 20 minute demonstration of the Key Sound and that he record his own practice session for comparison.[*]joshmultiple2005 reports that he has practiced the KSMO protocol a couple of times and also has downloaded the pdf. He inquires how to do the protocol in a quiet manner. Jack replies that the Key Sound should be gentle and not forced as making it louder does not make the Echoes stronger. Jack asks what he has experienced so far. josh replies that he is getting slight tingling. Jack and Laly respond that is what should be expected at such an early stage and this is progress.[*]Jack asks josh how often he is practicing. Josh replies very frequently. Jack cautions that one should take every other day off to avoid falling into the trap of "chasing after the orgasms". Laly counsels patience as KSMO cannot be rushed and she uses the break to explore the feelings before doing another session. Josh asks what he should expect about Echo Effects. Jack replies to expect nothing and Laly explains that Echo Effects are different for everyone. Laly suggest to Josh that he tape his session and play it back as was suggested to romdrv56.[*]donnoi reports that he has reached the point where just thinking about the Key Sound puts him on on the edge of orgasm. Jack congratulates him and hopes the newbies hear that getting to a point where just the thought will trigger the responses is a very common theme for later stages of practice.[*]Laly shares that the KSMO protocol has freed her from the compulsion to orgasm every night which was leaving her drained of energy. Now the protocol has led to greater satisfaction and sense of completion. Jack notes this a common pattern reported by all people who learn KSMO.[*]Jack mentions that the practice is fractal and there is always another gateway awaiting, often when you least expect it. He concludes the session by thanking all for being a vital part of the community.<HR>
Session Start: Sat Oct 08 12:00:03 2005
Jack> would you be ok with letting us know generally where you're typing from,
Jack> and IF ok with you, your age, marital status, sexual orientation... ALL of these are optional... as is everything we ask here.
romdrv56> Atlanta, GA
Jack> HOT 'Lanta!
romdrv56> lol
Jack> :-)
romdrv56> I'm 39, single
Jack> Thanks!
Jack> How long have you been practicing the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol?
romdrv56> I had it for 2 yrs
romdrv56> but haven't practiced until most recent 3 weeks
romdrv56> it seems no progress at all
Jack> Ok... Have you downloaded the pdf document called the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Summary Update?
romdrv56> yup
Jack> Also, have you downloaded the latest version of the Male Multiple Orgasm Step by Step audio seminar?
romdrv56> yes
Jack> Ok! Just going thru the checklist here.
romdrv56> ok
romdrv56> hopeful I can find what I did wrong
Jack> You bet! That's what this chat and the Forum are for!
romdrv56> or just impatient, lol
Jack> Ok, that's totally understandable and VERY common! :-)
Jack> The important thing is that you've checked back in here
Jack> to get the help you need. This is a VERY difficult skill to learn
Jack> on your own, since it is so different from patterns that are deeply engrained in most of us.
romdrv56> Thanks. I 'm on the right track
Jack> How often do you practice now?
romdrv56> Every 2 days
Jack> For how long?
romdrv56> For past 3 wk
Jack> Right, thanks. And how long is each session?
romdrv56> between 20 to 30
Jack> I'd recommend a max of 20, since going beyond that,
Jack> one tends to lapse into the "chasing-the-orgasm" trap.
Jack> Once you start trying to "make" it happen, the subtle Echoes will tend to evade you.
Jack> Would you describe the step
Jack> i.e., steps
Jack> that you take in your practice session, please?
romdrv56> First, I breath normally until I calm down
Jack> GOOD!
romdrv56> Then I use a Key Sound, then 3 to 4 normal breaths, and repeat
Jack> for how long before you introduce the single touch or caress?
romdrv56> I tried that. Since there is no response, so I skip that single caress
Jack> and do what instead?
romdrv56> Just relax without doing anything before the Key Sound
Jack> When you do the single touch or caress, and before
Jack> you use the Key Sound, does the touch itself feel pleasant? I don't mean
Jack> really sexy or hot, but just a subtle, nice feeling?
romdrv56> When I did single touch, there is no special feeling
Jack> I don't mean a "special" feeling, I just mean that when you touch yourself,
Jack> do you notice that you are touching yourself in a place that feels like you are touching yourself
romdrv56> Yes I 'd say it is pleasant
Jack> in a place that feels good? Not great, necessarily, just pleasant?
Jack> Ah! LOL, ok!
Jack> That is ALL it's supposed to be! Therefore, I recommend that you reintroduce that
Jack> single (at least slightly) pleasant touch before the Key Sound.
romdrv56> ok
romdrv56> is there a certain spot works better than the others?
Jack> Your body will tell you that. Sometimes it feels a little better to caress a nipple,
Jack> other times your perineum, etc. It doesn't have to be your genitals, that's for sure. In fact,
Jack> for some people that is too hot.
Jack> OK?
romdrv56> ok
Jack> Great! Donnoi, what thoughts do you have to share with rom at this early stage of awakening?
Jack> [Welcome Laly! Say hi to donnoi, and to newbie romdrv56!]
Laly> hi guys!! HUGSS.
romdrv56> hi Laly
donnoi> Hi back!!
romdrv56> so the purpose of caress is not erotic stimulation, right?
Laly> yes romdvr56
Jack> Yes, the purpose of the caress it to just
Jack> do a gentle, single caress or touch, just enough so that you notice that it is pleasant,
Jack> as you reported... THAT IS ALL THAT IS NECESSARY!
romdrv56> how long do u usually do a single caress
romdrv56> like couple seconds?
Jack> In fact, more stimulation than that may actually SLOW the progress.
Jack> Just a SINGLE caress. Not continuous. A SINGLE caress.
Jack> I know that's hard to believe,
romdrv56> yup
Laly> but, for me romdv, I do not need to stimulate myself.
Jack> but that's why I say that the greatest challenge is not between the legs (physical response), but between the ears (old belief systems, expectations, etc.).
Jack> A single caress would take about a half second I would guess.
Laly> true Jack :-).
Jack> rom, Laly = the voice of experience. :-)
Jack> [donnoi too!]
romdrv56> cool
Laly> *blushing .
Jack> rom, all we want is that tiniest ever little erotic tweak. Just a * very slight * reminder
Jack> for the Key Sound to then amplify, just a little at a time.
Jack> Please describe how you make the sound.
Jack> And btw, you should continue that SINGLE caress throughout the 20 minute session,
Jack> even though you may feel that nothing is happening.
Jack> OK?
romdrv56> ok
romdrv56> so I am a little impatient
Jack> Welcome to the human race and its attitude toward sex!
romdrv56> lol
Laly> use of a feather works for this,, the soft caress rom- it is what I use.
Jack> If your mind is repeating the mantra that nothing is happening, nothing is happening... then that attenuates the response.
Jack> [Thanks for that great tip, laly!]
Laly> It keeps me from making a more harsh caress .
Jack> Such a mantra is one of those between the ears challenges to which I was referring.
Jack> VERY good point, laly!
Jack> READERS PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THE BENEFITS OF USING A FEATHER TO CARESS.
donnoi> I agree with the lightest touch.
Laly> thanks donnoi :-).
Jack> rom... That's THREE voices of experience, counting yours truly. :-)
Jack> Maybe there's something to it! ;-)
romdrv56> great, thanks you all
Jack> Hang on, don't bail yet!
Jack> Please.
Jack> Ok?
Jack> Still with us?
romdrv56> yup
Jack> Thanks!
Jack> Would you please take a moment to describe how you make the Key Sound?
romdrv56> Is there a certain pattern of breathing i should follow between the Key Sounds?
Laly> Hello josh.
romdrv56> Hi josh
joshmultiple2005> Hello
Jack> [welcome Josh! newbie romdrv56 is reviewing his practice]
joshmultiple2005> Hi jack
Laly> slow deep breaths romd - 3 at least ok.
Laly> sorry Jack.
romdrv56> ok
romdrv56> actually i just breathe normally 3 or 4 time before Key Sound
romdrv56> no deep breath
Jack> PERFECT!
Laly> uh huh. agrees.
Jack> Just slow, relaxing breath. NEVER force ANYthing in the practice.
Jack> Ok... how about that Key Sound? Please describe that, if you would.
romdrv56> I think I just follow the sample
romdrv56> don't know if i did it right
Jack> Ok... have you tried
Laly> Did it resonate in your throat or in the chest?
Jack> Take it away, laly! :-)
Jack> Teach, girl!
Laly> :-)
romdrv56> O think neither
romdrv56> lol
Laly> romd-- do you lay your hand on your chest while making the key sound?
romdrv56> no
romdrv56> I just relax both hands and both legs
Laly> I lay my hand on my chest so the I can feel the chest as I make the Key Sound and actually feel the chest "vibrate"
Laly> as I make the Key Sound.
Jack> EXCELLENT TIP!
Jack> rom, you don't need to do that throughout the whole practice,
Laly> right jack.
romdrv56> ok
Jack> But at least do so every once in awhile to make sure that your Key Sound
Jack> is RELAXED, deep (WITHOUT forcing) and a little husky.
romdrv56> do i need to make sure it resonate in the chest, right?
Jack> Yes, but WITHOUT forcing ( EVER! )
romdrv56> great point
Laly> forcing only can lead to failure.
Jack> Yeah that idea of NOT FORCING is a CORNERSTONE of the practice.
Jack> rom, do you have the recently released Key Sound Training audio seminar, or just the first seminar in the series?
romdrv56> I just redownloaded it 3 weeks ago
Jack> redownloaded which? Male Multiple Orgasm Step by Step, or the Key Sound Training seminar?
romdrv56> there are 6 steps
romdrv56> might be step by steps
Laly> yeah sounds like it romd.
Jack> Do you have access to the audio seminar where I do a 20 minute demonstration of the Key Sound followed by regular breaths?
romdrv56> I don't think I have that one
Jack> Ok. I recommend that you go ahead and get it because that 20 min
Jack> demo you can use to follow along with during your practice,
Jack> and the seminar also includes 35 minutes of lecture concentrating on
Jack> articulating the Key Sound correctly. That seminar also has the money back guarantee, naturally.
romdrv56> good deal
romdrv56> lol
donnoi> Yes it's very helpful.
Laly> Is well worth the money romd.
Jack> In the lecture portion, I demo typical non-productive ways people tend to do the Key Sound,
Jack> then immediately demo the correct way.
Jack> I also suggest that you might record your practice of the Key Sound as you're also
Jack> playing my 20 min demo from that seminar, then afterwards play it back
Jack> and you'll likely be able to hear the comparison and fine tune.
romdrv56> It seems the Key Sound is the password for the MMO
Jack> Re: password... yeah, that's
Jack> why I call it the Key because it UNLOCKS the multi-orgasmic response WITHOUT using more stimulation to do
Jack> so!
romdrv56> I think I might not do the Key Sound right
romdrv56> I should record it
Jack> Yeah, very good idea, rom!
Jack> Will you explore that and post what you discover to the Forum? AND come back to the chats
Jack> so we all may continue to help you fine tune your practice?
romdrv56> sure, definitely
Laly> :-).
romdrv56> on the mind set, should I expect anything happening?
Jack> NO!
donnoi> NO again.
Laly> O H NOOO romd.. not!! never!!.
romdrv56> Just relax and follow the step doing ks.?
Jack> One of the most common themes repeated by people who report breakthroughs
Jack> Is that when they happened, the person says "I wasn't expecting anything, and then it happened!"
romdrv56> so I am ok so far
romdrv56> lol
Jack> You bet you are!!!
Laly> yeah , jack-- like my triple orgasm. :-)
Jack> Yeah! Please tell rom the conference and subject where you describe that, laly!
Jack> And rom, I hope you'll stick around for a while today, as you might learn more goodies as we assist
romdrv56> cool
Jack> Josh, and continue our discussions with each other, OK?
Laly> ok- under benefits of using , Laly's first multiple
romdrv56> thanks Laly
donnoi> To finish at thought first - perhaps with the light touch it forces us to look deeper beyond the obvious overwhelm of and greed for gross sensation and begins to sensitize us to deeper layers
Jack> Whoa, VERY good point, as always, donnoi!
Jack> RE: about gross sensation. Old habits... learned young... take a while to release. :-)
donnoi> We need to retrain ourselves it does seem.
Jack> Ok rom, any other questions before we pass the Talking Stick to Josh?
Jack> Ohhh yeah, donnoi! And most of it is between the ears ! :-)
Jack> i.e., trance-ending old belief systems and expectations.
romdrv56> is that audio seminar the "part 2"?
Jack> Yes it is, rom.
Laly> multiple orgasm trigger: key sound training romd.
romdrv56> thanks
Jack> You're very welcome! I hope you'll stick around today if you can.
romdrv56> I 'll do my best
Jack> The discussion may trigger other thoughts or questions for you.
Jack> I hear ya brother. Don't we all! :-) It's great to have you back. It's
Jack> really amazing how many people take a year or two away from practice and then
Jack> come back to it afresh. It always bodes well! We all take the
Jack> time we need. It's different for each of us.
Jack> laly and donnoi, any other thoughts for rom b4 we pass the Talking Stick to Josh?
Jack> Thoughts from you too, Josh! :-)
donnoi> I have an issue but it will wait.
romdrv56> thank everyone for your tips
Jack> You're VERY WELCOME rom!
Jack> Thanks for your patience donnoi. If at some point you start feeling a time crunch,
Jack> please give us enough advance notice so that we may help you today. ok?
donnoi> I'm cool
Jack> Thanks donnoi!
Laly> take care romd!! HUGSS.
Jack> Ok Josh, would you please give us a chance to get to know you a little by (at your option, of course!)
Jack> letting us know your age, generally where you're typing from, if ok: marital status, sexual orientation, etc. ALL sharing is AT YOUR OPTION. Always. :-)
joshmultiple2005> Well, I am a student in college and I am currently interested in MMO
joshmultiple2005> I am straight
joshmultiple2005> I am also single
Jack> May I ask the general area of where you're typing from?
joshmultiple2005> I have been searching for MMO techniques for quite some time.
Jack> Well imho, you've come to the right place! :-) Also, how long you've been practicing
joshmultiple2005> I have practiced like once or twice
Jack> the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol that I've developed?
Jack> Ok, great. Thanks! It is EXCELLENT that you are tapping
Jack> into the chat and Forum support resources, right off the bat!
Jack> That's the way to do it, to save the most time and effort.
joshmultiple2005> that is what I hear
Jack> LOL. Good ears! :-) Josh, have you also downloaded
Jack> the pdf?
joshmultiple2005> yeah I have pdf
Jack> Ok, great! How may we help you today?
joshmultiple2005> I have reviewed it.
Jack> Excellent! Right on Protocol, Brother.
joshmultiple2005> Well, right now I am interested in how to do your protocol in a quiet manner
joshmultiple2005> I have tried and ordered soundproofing
Jack> It's really important not to force the Key Sound.
joshmultiple2005> yeah
Jack> It should be VERY GENTLE. Making it louder does NOT usually make the Echoes stronger.
Jack> What are you experiencing so far?
joshmultiple2005> not very much
joshmultiple2005> some slight tingling if that
Laly> way to go josh!
Jack> Slight tingling is EXACTLY
Jack> what's to be expected at such an early stage.
Jack> Just drop the mantra about " not very much is happening " and that will make room for a little more.
joshmultiple2005> I wonder if nothing is happening at all though
joshmultiple2005> I don't know if it is all in my head
Jack> That's the biggest challenge, Josh... the expectations.
Jack> What I call " between the ears ".
joshmultiple2005> what is that ?
Laly> what your mind is thinking josh.
Jack> Notice laly complimented you on the * slight tingling * b4 I got a chance to.
Jack> Slight tingling at such an early stage is EXACTLY appropriate at this early stage.
joshmultiple2005> ok
Laly> not many people have that in there 1st few sessions josh.
joshmultiple2005> how loud is loud enough at this stage though?
Jack> It may take some getting used to
Jack> Since, especially for men, but also many women, we are used to
Jack> Experiencing big spikes of our of arousal
Jack> In response to loads of stimulation. The difficulty with that is,
Jack> That beyond a certain amount of arousal,
Jack> The more traditional intense, continuous stimulation
Jack> Actually crowds out the really higher levels of multi-orgasmic arousal! And for men,
Jack> tends to trigger the ejaculation reflex.
Jack> That's why I discovered the Key Sound, to REPLACE
Jack> stimulation as a way of building arousal!
joshmultiple2005> yeah
joshmultiple2005> interesting
Jack> to say the least! :-)
joshmultiple2005> lol
Jack> Yeah, it IS the kinda thing that makes you wanna say hmmm ( and eventually AHHHHHHHHH! ) :-)
Laly> lol -- yeah
Laly> lots of times for me.
Jack> Josh, how often do you practice?
joshmultiple2005> i practice not very frequently, because I am working on building soundproofing so that i can do the practice and not worry about being heard
Jack> That sounds fine. Josh. It's really important NOT to practice more than every other day.
joshmultiple2005> Why is that ?
joshmultiple2005> Wouldn't that allow you to have more practice and reach the MMO goal quicker?
Jack> Because otherwise, you tend to lapse into the trap of trying to chase after the orgasms.
Laly> you need patience josh-- KSMO is not a rushing kind of thing.
Jack> That " more is better " is leftover from the old " going for it " pattern of increasing
Jack> stimulation to trigger ejaculation.
joshmultiple2005> what do you mean chase...?
Jack> IT'S A TRAP.
joshmultiple2005> are feeling just going to bubble up?
Jack> Yep!
joshmultiple2005> like unexpectedly?
Jack> Like, YEAH! :-) Note what laly said. Donnoi, do you have anything to add to that?
Laly> they do for me josh, sometimes, and I use a break to explore these feelings before I do another KSMO session.
Jack> That's why it's really important to take AT LEAST one day off BETWEEN * EACH * practice session.
joshmultiple2005> hmmm...now are these "bubblings" pleasurable like a real orgasm?
Laly> sometimes josh they are.
Jack> Eventually they will become more so! Also watch out for that mind trap of " yes, but these are not real orgasms "
joshmultiple2005> what do they feel like if they are not pleasurable?
Laly> Jack calls these Echo Effects josh.
donnoi> Just want to affirm what laly said
joshmultiple2005> now does tingling give way to Echo Effects which give way to orgasm?
joshmultiple2005> or MMO?
Laly> tingling= orgasm=Echo Effects. for me josh.
Jack> Thanks donnoi. Josh, they ARE pleasurable... but in the early stages, they just won't have the intensity you're used to... But then you'll get much higher than ever before.
Laly> OH YEAH -- laughs.
donnoi> tingling is energy and energy builds to a release in orgasm is what I would say.
Jack> Yep I agree. Ok. Everybody slow down and take a breath here... please.
Jack> josh?
joshmultiple2005> yes
joshmultiple2005> ?
Jack> It's a very natural
Jack> tendency especially for males in our culture to try to
Jack> think our way through a challenge beforehand. That doesn't work with this. You just fill your
Jack> head up with corn flakes that way.
Jack> We are so used to being in conscious control ( via stimulation ) of our arousal. So
Jack> the big challenge is to LET GO of all that and just OPEN to being surprised. Replace EXPECTING
Jack> with ALLOWING .
joshmultiple2005> But what would tell me about my progress other than thinking it through? How can I be sure that I am actually going somewhere with the MMO protocol?
Jack> Ok, this is an example of what I call " mind noise ". What tells
Jack> you, is the presence of the Echo Effects. Which will be VERY quiet and subtle at first. Just the
Jack> slightest ever tingling. They are very shy... you need to be very quiet and calm to allow
Jack> them to come out of hiding.
joshmultiple2005> ok, do these Echo Effects feel like extreme muscle relaxation?
Jack> Not extreme. There is nothing extreme about this in the early stages.
Jack> You can be sure about whether or not you are on track with the Protocol by coming here
Jack> and allowing us to help you review your practice, and that includes your beliefs and expectations.
donnoi> I like the way you put that.
Jack> :-)
joshmultiple2005> so what should I expect with Echo Effects?
Jack> NOTHING!
Laly> Echo Effects are different for everyone josh.
Jack> THAT IS THE POINT... " EXPECT " NOTHING!
Jack> EXPECTATION IS A FUTILE ATTEMPT TO CONTROL what is happening. The challenge
Jack> is to let go of the expectations, let go of trying to make sense of or control what is happening
joshmultiple2005> ok
donnoi> When your expecting something that isn't there you can not see what is.
Jack> and THAT will allow the room for the shy, subtle Echo Effects to GRADUALLY appear and GRADUALLY increase.
Jack> I agree with donnoi. Another way that is an old story in Zen practice, is
Jack> come to the practice with an EMPTY cup, not one filled with what should be, what it should feel like, what is or isn't going to
Jack> happen next, yadda yadda yadda. :-)
joshmultiple2005> so have a completely blank mind when doing this?
Laly> yes.
Jack> And a more PASSIVE AWARENESS. Just OBSERVE, and DON'T JUDGE is it good enough or not. JUST OBSERVE what IS.
Jack> Avoid fantasy ( another form of stimulation )... Just do the practice and TUNE IN to the
Jack> VERY SUBTLE, QUIET Echo Effects... tingles, goose bumps, automatic subtle body movements, etc.
joshmultiple2005> ok
joshmultiple2005> then
joshmultiple2005> how can I be sure if I am making the sound correctly, if let go of expectations....i could end up nowhere if i make the sound wrong...correct?
Jack> THAT IS FEAR CONTROLLING YOU.
joshmultiple2005> ?
Laly> as Jack suggested to rom Josh, tape your session and play it back.
Jack> " Oh my God what if I end up nowhere????? "
joshmultiple2005> oh
Jack> Trance-end " nowhere " into " NOW HERE ".
joshmultiple2005> ok
donnoi> :-)
Laly> * is smiling.
Jack> Please take a moment right now and just take a couple of easy, unforced relaxing breaths, and calm yourself. Try it! :-)
Jack> Soothe your mind... shhhhhh...
Jack> Release all the " but what if" s...
joshmultiple2005> ok
Jack> The " yes but what if " s are basically chasing your tail round and round.
Laly> yep.
Jack> That's what I mean by " mind noise "...
Jack> :-)
joshmultiple2005> I think I understand now...
Jack> Fret not, Brother... it's a VERY common pattern in our over-amped over-stimulated culture.
Jack> I think you do too! CONGRATULATIONS!!! :-)
joshmultiple2005>
Jack> VERY VERY QUIET ... That is the way to approach this practice.
Jack> VERY important: making the Key Sound louder does NOT make the Echo Effects stronger.
donnoi> TRUE.
Jack> There is no " going for it " energy in the practice. No forcing... As donnoi confirms.
joshmultiple2005> if that is the case, then is your practice kinda like tantra and other guided sexual traditions?
joshmultiple2005> that is traditions rooted in meditation and calmness?
Jack> Yes there are similarities, without there being a need to buy into any particular esoteric belief system.
Jack> No * necessity * to go to Timbuktu and shell out thousands... It's actually very simple.
Jack> Your body ALREADY KNOWS HOW... You just need to ALLOW it to teach you, through the Echo Effects.
Jack> It's a VERY good idea to read the Success Stories conference in the Forum,
Jack> as well as the past chat transcripts ( check out 0083 0085 and 0176 for example ) as well
Jack> as hitting that NEWS link in the upper right hand corner of any Forum page
Jack> and hit the links to the most recent posts. There are often great reports there, and I urge
Jack> you to reply to those posts and ask your questions there, between your chat visits.
joshmultiple2005> ok...I will try doing that.
joshmultiple2005> so...are some of the feelings (Echo Effects...tingling...auto movements) going to be the same between your tradition and other tantra traditions?
donnoi> IMHO... you'll see some parallels in the Echo Effects with tantra.
Jack> Yes I agree.
joshmultiple2005> that is what i thought
joshmultiple2005> how about parallels with like taoist (mark chia mmo for men book) traditions?
Jack> Tantra, yoga, Zen, taoism... there are many paths to the top of the mountain ... The difference
Jack> as far as I can tell however, is that at least in the modern writings etc. I've seen,
Jack> for men, they all teach some form of tensing up or " hovering " near the ejaculatory
Jack> Point of No Return . When you practice the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol there is NO ejaculatory Point of No Return
Jack> to worry about. That is the fundamental difference.
joshmultiple2005> oh
donnoi> If I may promote my sacred sexuality thread in the yoga conference?
Jack> Please do donnoi by all means! It's a VERY THOUGHTFUL AND INFORMED thread!
Laly> yes donnoi
joshmultiple2005> hmmm... I will have to look into that thread
joshmultiple2005> thanks
Jack> And
Jack> Josh you are DOING GREAT WORK here today!
Laly> <<agrees with Jack.
joshmultiple2005> thank you...
Jack> As the I Ching says: SLOW PROGRESS IN THE GOOD .
Jack> :-)
donnoi> good work.
joshmultiple2005> Thanks for all your support guys
Jack> Yes please stay connected via the Forum and these chats, ok?
joshmultiple2005> yes....I will do that.
Jack> Right on Protocol, Brother! :-)
joshmultiple2005>
Jack> Anything else b4 we pass the Talking Stick to donnoi?
Jack> [ if ok with you, laly ]
joshmultiple2005> nope...that pretty much all from me.
Laly> yes Jack is ok with me :-)
Laly> Wish you the best of luck Josh.
Jack> Ok, feel free to interact with what the others have to share, and we'll
Jack> give everyone another chance after everyone has had their turn.
Jack> Josh, when in doubt slow down . :-)
Jack> Breathe ... relax ... :-)
joshmultiple2005> I will try.
Jack> Release trying. Trying is basically revving in neutral .
Jack> Just ALLOW .
Laly> we are a click away josh - if you need us ok.
joshmultiple2005> allow...ok
Jack> Yeah Bro!
joshmultiple2005> :-)
donnoi> I DO want to state for the new people before I begin, that this is a learning process and everything that jack says about leaning the protocol is VERY important
donnoi> I actually have to tone back my practice a bit!
Jack> Josh, :-) We all are immersed in a culture that seems to try it's darnedest to push us away from this by hypeing us up with tons of stimulation. You're not alone. And man, I'd say you've made a great shift today!
Laly> I agree with donnoi on that.
Jack> Yeah there's that relaxing theme again. :-)
joshmultiple2005> Good theme
Jack> Ok, may we pass the Talking Stick to the incredibly patient donnoi?
Jack> Yeah it is, Josh! :-)
joshmultiple2005> yeah...by all means pass the stick
Jack> ok, with you, Ms. Laly?
Laly> yes jack
Jack> Ok, d, you got it!
donnoi> Sorry to hump the gun.
donnoi> My sexual desire has been going through the roof for the past few weeks... my experimental "chastity" has been taking quite a beating LOL.
Laly> no apology needed d
donnoi> I am at a point where just thinking about the breathing and the KS triggers the sommatic paralles - a kinetic memory - and I am instantly on the "edge" of orgasm ...
donnoi> I now choose mostly not to indulge it in it's pure convusive physical form and explore the more subtle nuances, especially the emotional and energy sensed as an internal flow.
Jack> Congratulations donnoi ! I hope the newbies really hear that, that you will get a place in
Jack> practice where just the thought will trigger the responses that's a very common theme for later
Jack> stages of practice!
donnoi> Also, I am it seems, eroticising my whole body and able to take an energetic pleasure from the simplest attention to my ordinary experience - my perceptual interface with life I might say ...
Jack> Whew man you are really articulate !
Jack> And that energy ( inner-ji ) may be directed into visualizing your goals ... with powerful results.
donnoi> I think perhaps so. Don't know what to make of it just yest ... just watching and reporting
Jack> JOSH notice how on Protocol that is!
Jack> you too, rom! :-)
Jack> laly knows already... :-)
Jack> Please continue, donnoi.
Laly> :0
Laly>
donnoi> Don't know what to say but that it's wonder-full!!
Jack> Precisely ... :-)
Laly> congrats donnoi.
joshmultiple2005> yeah
joshmultiple2005> watching and reporting
Jack> By Josh, I think he's got it!
joshmultiple2005> :-)
Jack> :-)
donnoi> I also, put a note and a link on my "myspace.com" blog referencing this practice and your site ... hope it send a few people here.
Laly> awesome!!
Jack> Thanks very much. Please send me an email about that with donnoi in the subject line, ok?
donnoi> sure, do you want the whole post?
Jack> Why not? Bandwidth is cheap. :-) Thanks! What is your complete blog URL? Please post here if you like.
donnoi> gime a minute .. attend to the others
Jack> You can do it later if you like. Either way is fine. Thanks!
romdrv56> WOW
Jack> Please say more, rom!
romdrv56> sorry to interrupt. i wow about the result Ms laly got
Laly> aww thanks josh. *blushing
Jack> um, I think that was rom. :-)
Laly> yeah- sorry
donnoi> Donnoi Blog URL: http://blog.myspace.com/donnoi
Jack> By all means thank Josh too tho! LOL!
Laly> small type Jack hard to read
Jack> Ok, cool! Thanks donnoi!
Jack> No worries laly!
Laly> and THANKS ROM!!! HUGGS
donnoi> look at : Orgasm "heartgasms" and more ....
donnoi> lay your so cute
Laly> making me blush again :P .
Jack> Thanks for the URL, donnoi!
Jack> Donnoi, early on, today, you mentioned that you had an issue.
Jack> Have you already addressed it, or?
donnoi> Just comments really unless you have some more feedback I'll pass the talking stick
Jack> Please share any comments you'd care to, then we'll pass the Talking Stick to laly.
donnoi> I'm finished, all your's laly.
Jack> Many thanks for ALL you bring to this community donnoi !
Laly> same goes for me donnoi >>bows and applauds
Jack> Ok Laly... what else would you like to share today?
Jack> BTW READERS, use the search tool in the Forum to search on Laly donnoi etc. for great posts!
Jack> Very descriptive about what this Awakening feels like.
Jack> MANY tips and insights.
Laly> Just a few words of advice Jack for Josh and rom and other new people
Jack> By all means!
Laly> AS you have heard from Jack today-- ALLOWING yourself to relax will and can open new doorways to MMO orgasms
Laly> and not just once, but many many times
Laly> called multiples.
Laly> the orgasmic pleasure that "occurs" IMHO is one of the most sacred and blessed events that happens
Laly> in KSMO.
Jack> How does this compare with your experience prior to beginning KSMO practice?
Laly> well before KSMO- i felt like i had to orgasm every nite and it left me feeling so drained of energy.
Jack> What drained you?
Laly> the compulsion to HAVE to do it every nite
Laly> in order to get to sleep.
donnoi> WOW laly that is so cool, being a man I have had difficulty communicating the difference for women in my sacred sexuality thread.
Laly> thank you donnoi.
Jack> Laly, what is different about your experience since KSMO practice that released you from that nightly need?
Laly> Being very aware of my body and how it signals it is ready for KSMO.
Jack> Whereas, before?
Laly> did not matter- I chose to ignore those before, the body signals.
Jack> Thanks! Any difference in amount of stimulation?
Laly> oh yes,, I can't stimulate myself with KSMO sessions
Laly> without flipping over to a normal orgasm.
Laly> with KS I no longer need to stimulate.
donnoi> me also .. no stim.
Laly> like donnoi said earlier my body becomes aroused with thoughts of KS session.
Jack> Josh and rom, PLEASE NOTE THAT LESS STIMULATION LEADS TO GREATER SATISFACTION AND SENSE OF COMPLETION.
Jack> Josh while you were disconn'd both laly and donnoi confirmed that LESS STIMULATION lead to MORE satisfaction!!!
Jack> WHEN combined with the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger practice.
joshmultiple2005> hmmm....interesting
Jack> It'll be in the transcript when it gets posted to the Forum.
romdrv56> can someone talk about the experiences and benefits after KSMO?
Jack> That is a THOROUGHLY COMMON PATTERN reported by ALL people who learn this.
joshmultiple2005> oh
Jack> Another old belief structure bites the dust! ;-)
joshmultiple2005> lol
Jack> ;-P
Laly> Just that in the 10+ yrs of doing normal orgasms Jack I have become very attuned to my body and its signals
Laly> sure rom--
romdrv56> thanks
donnoi> I treat the KSMOP like a meditation and I grow in awareness continually.
Laly> well said donnoi
Jack> That approach really resonates for me too, donnoi. That's how I made the discovery in the first place.
Jack> It's how this practice does have common threads with the traditions we were referring to earlier in this chat.
joshmultiple2005> yes
Jack> Frame it as meditation rather than masturbation.
joshmultiple2005> good point
Jack> thanks!
Laly> since using KSMO rom-- i am so much happier, wear a smile 24/7 days a week, and have a spring in my step that was not there before KSMO
Jack> You gotta sweet secret!
Laly> and my shyness is all but gone.
Jack> That's wonderful, laly!
joshmultiple2005> that's interesting
Laly> yeah the "o" factor
joshmultiple2005> lol
donnoi> That's the greatest part for me .
Jack> yep good ol' vitamin o !
Laly> oh as jack says the vitamin "o" . lol
joshmultiple2005> well...Jack and friends... i hate to say it but i must be going you guys have been a wonderful help
Laly> ok Josh.
Jack> thanks for being here Josh, you grew a LOT today!
joshmultiple2005> thanks
Jack> Please stay in touch via the Forum and come back to the chats, ok?
donnoi> Bye.
joshmultiple2005> will do.
Jack> enjoy your practice. :-)
Laly> take care josh.
joshmultiple2005> bye everybody...take care
Jack> u2!
Jack> Ok! Anything else for today?
Laly> nope.
donnoi> I'm complete
Jack> rom?
Laly> Just an observation tho jack.
Jack> Yes please!
Laly> Take the time if you can-- listen to your heart -- For me mine sings every day now. .
Jack> ANOTHER GREAT TIP !!! Thanks laleeeee!!! :-)
donnoi> XOX laly
Jack> rom, any other thoughts, ?'s, etc.?
romdrv56> It is great to know so many tips and what we might benefit from KSMO
Jack> Yeah Brother! Just take it slow, and stay connected thru the Forum and these chats and we'll
Laly> uh huh rom- there are NO limits in MMO/ KSMO
Jack> help you every step of the way.
Laly> not even the sky rom-
romdrv56> are you energized the whole day?
Laly> yes rom
Laly> for at least 3 days after,
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donnoi> ditto.
Jack> ertydert in Scandinavia had
Jack> to take warm baths to come down enough to get any sleep, and he's in his sixties!
Laly> wow-- awesome :0.
Jack> It's fractal. There is always another gateway awaiting... And it opens when you LEAST expect it.
Laly> yep.
Jack> My warmest good wishes to each of you! Have a wonder-full week. See you in the Forum and in the coming chats!
donnoi> Bye all!
Jack> Bye for now, and thanks again for being such a vital part of this community!
Laly> bye
romdrv56> thanks again everyone, bye now
Laly> bye rom
Jack> y/w bye for now!
Jack> Bye laly, beeeg hugs!
Laly> aww HUGSS back
Laly> take care Jack
Jack> u2!
Session Close: Sat Oct 08 14:40:52 2005