• laly, angus, and Beauregard join Jack for a discussion of heartgasms, multiple orgasms, and the benefits of taking a break from the KSMO practice.
• Laly reports that her heart has been bursting with joy, love, and happiness since achieving her first triple orgasm and has been dancing at work. She also mentioned that the triple orgasm occurred after a 2 week break from the practice. Jack tells the reader to take note that the common pattern of taking time off every so often can lead to new breakthroughs.
• Jack asks Laly to give advice to others that might help open them to similar experiences. Laly replies that they should listen to their bodies on how to achieve this and allow themselves to FULLY appreciate the dynamics of KSMO. She also mentions that doing KSMO with a partner has heightened her own experience.
• Laly goes on to say that sharing the practice with a partner doesn't have to be sexual. Jack agrees and says that the practice can build intimacy without being sexual and can be from the HEART. There is the option to choose either way. Jack asks Laly to post her experiences in the Heartgasms conference.
• angus reports that he has taken a break from the practice because he has felt a bit burnt out. Jack says that is right on Protocol to recognize this and not force it. angus notes that he is reaching levels he had not been aware of before. He says that he feels the echos without the need to pump it up and more centered within himself instead of looking to others for the source of pleasure. Jack points this out as another example of a practitioner reporting surprising new progress by taking a break from active practice.
• Laly reports having problems breathing when the second orgasm happens because of the intensity. Jack recommends pausing everything but the relaxing breaths when this happens. Since she has the Gates open, there is no need to use a lot of KS and stimulation.

Session Start: Thu Sep 29 17:58:46 2005
* Topic is 'Multiple Orgasm Trigger Discussion and Coaching Chat'
Mon Sep 19 03:28:10
Jack> Hey angus! Nice to hear from you again! How's life?
Jack> Welcome laly!
Laly> Hi Jack - Hello angus
angus> Hi jack, wheew, so up and down! Hopefully things are slowing down for me mate, how are u?
angus> Heh Laly, hows it going?
Laly> angus-- things are going just great hon- thanks for asking :-) .
Jack> Doing ok, thanks!
Laly> For the past week, my heart has been singing .
Jack> Hey laly, thanks for all of those great posts! Tell us more about your singing heart! :-)
Laly> OK -- Jack, Well ever since I talked about my triple - my heart has just been soo full of joy that it is bursting with love and happiness
Laly> and I can't stop smiling.
Jack> That's definitely a "higher-level gripe" as Abe Maslow would say. :-)
Laly> *giggles.
angus> lol
Laly> And I have been "caught" dancing at work.
Jack> Oh my!
angus> That;s funny!
Laly> Yeah-- I work at a library and dancing is not allowed :P .
Jack> "This just in: Woman busted in library for being too happy."
Laly> OMG-- Jack yes-
Laly> is a problem for them I guess :-) .
Jack> Oh well. I can understand their viewpoint. How about finding more appropriate venues for expressing yourself that way, so you can keep your job?
Laly> No problems-- curtailing the dancing - and singing softly to myself behind the scenes.
Jack> I hear you. It'd nevertheless be cool to find a place where you can dance and it's ok. Seems like that's a way you like to express yourself.
angus> laly, I have been away for some time so I didn;t hear the good news for you. Could you recap?
Laly> Angus- last Thurs - I believe , I had my first triple orgasm
Laly> this after a voluntary 2 week vacation from KSMO
angus> wonderful , triple no less!
Laly> It is posted to my Laly thread angus.
Laly> under 1st multiples thread.
angus> Will check it out. congrats
Jack> [READERS PLEASE NOTE THE PATTERN OF TAKING TIME OFF EVERY SO OFTEN, MAY OFTEN LEAD TO NEW BREAKTHROUGHS - THIS IS A *COMMON PATTERN*]
Laly> Yes angus. It was an OUTSTANDING experience.
angus> Puts a new spin on things, Doesn't it!
Laly> Yes. *smiling
Laly> To lose yourself to this angus - to become a part of the vast universe is a wondrous thing to feel.
angus> Yes, and holding on to that during your day can work wonders
Laly> Yes it does, my moods totally affect those around me - they can't help but smile too :-).
Jack> Laly what advice would you give to other people that might help them open to similar experiences?
Laly> Experiences like mine, jack?
Jack> Yes.
Laly> oh my...
Jack> That's what *I* said!
Jack> LOL.
Laly> So much to say.. hang on let me sort it out here
Jack> Please take the time you need!
Beauregard> Hola!
Laly> Hi beauregard
Jack> [Hey Beau, Welcome! Laly is telling about some recent multiple orgasm experiences...]
Beauregard> I'm all ears (and other organs).
Jack> ai chihuahua!
Laly> Ok-- I would say to people that if they could increase their sexual pleasure both as an individual and if married as a couple
Laly> then allow their bodies to "speak" on how to best achieve this - with KSMO and KS training
Laly> I think people have gotten away from listening to their bodies in regards to sexual pleasure.
Laly> To avoid the physiological and emotional pleasure from sex , not just the physical stuff.
Laly> avoid is what I see they do. If they would allow themselves to FULLY appreciate the dynamics of KSMO then
Laly> who knows where KSMO will allow them to go.
Laly> *blushing - sorry -.
Laly> In my experience -- since invited to KSMO - I have never been this happy, relaxed and so full of happiness.
Jack> No apologies necessary!
angus> Very nice laly
Jack> That is WONDERFUL!
Laly> Been speaking from the heart lately jack.
Laly> :-)
Jack> Abagael!
Laly> And recently I have been doing "partner' KSMO with someone and I've got to say it has been a FABULOUS thing to experience.
Beauregard> I'm somewhat out of date with the chat transcripts, laly ... how long have you been practicing KSMO?
Laly> about a month.
Beauregard> I'm impressed!
Laly> Thank you.
Laly> To hear someone else doing KS jack really heightens my own orgasmic experience -- a higher level so to speak.
Laly> SO I would say to anyone that KSMO is the best thing that ever happened for me.
Beauregard> The power of positive feedback.
Jack> That's great, laly!
Beauregard> Laly, if you don't mind my asking, how old are you?
Laly> beauregard I am 34.
Jack> To clarify for the readers you were sharing the KSMO practice with someone but it was not specifically sexual, is that correct?
Laly> Yes jack -.
Laly> not yet anyway.
Beauregard> Doesn't it become sexual in some sense?
Laly> Someone was having problems doing their KS - so I been "coaching".
Jack> That's great laly, because that's exactly one of my recommendations in the couples' exercise portion of the audio seminar.
Jack> The practice can build intimacy without being specifically sexual.
Jack> It can be from the HEART.
Jack> In fact, that can be a very important step for some people who are perhaps overly attached to wanting a specifically sexual result.
Laly> Well said Jack *grins.
Beauregard> The heart can have sexual feelings, or so says Anisette.
Jack> Sure Beau, but it doesn't HAVE to be sexual.
Jack> We have the OPTION to choose into either way.
Laly> I am gonna say something Beau -
Beauregard> Yes, please go on.
Laly> Yes - I agree the heart can have sexual feeling , but it is also the person who can help to deal with those as well.
Laly> to act upon them or to try and ignore them or just listen to them.
Jack> Very good points!
Laly> I choose to listen to them only- not act.
Jack> Congratulations for claiming your right to choose!
Beauregard> I was just referring to what Jack (and Anisette) refer to as "heartgasms" ... no action is necessary.
Laly> I took them into account and let my body speak for itself on this.
Laly> ahh. ok.
Jack> Yeah I agree with Anisette and laly, and you, Beau.
Jack> Btw, please say a warm "hola!" to Anisette for us! :-)
Beauregard> Thanks, Jack, I will.
Laly> Heartgasms are totally fantastic.
Jack> Laly, it'd be very cool if you do a post in the Heartgasms Conference talking about your experience with that. Be
Jack> great if Anisette would, too, Beau!
Laly> I did , but not to heartgasms one-
Laly> Jack.
Jack> Ok, that's great. Can you please
Jack> do a short post in the Heartgasms Conf telling what Conf, topic and post date for where the post is located?
Laly> Yes Jack I will.
Jack> That way people browsing Heartgasms Conference will find it.
Jack> Many thanks!
Beauregard> I'll mention it to her, Jack.
Jack> Thanks!
Laly> Beau and angus-- he is referring to a heartgasm I had at 35,000 ft , and in an airplane :-0.
Beauregard> Good thing cabin pressure didn't drop!
Laly> Yes, but we had lots of turbulence Beau- .
Beauregard> LOL ... I'll just bet you did
Laly> LOL.
angus> FLYING HIGH WERE YA?!!
Beauregard> LOL
Laly> I missed most of it cause my "soul" was outside swimming in the clouds for 30 min.
Laly> higher than the plane angus . lol.
Jack> It's a beautiful post, btw, guys. I recommend it to both of you.
Laly> *blushing - ty jack.
Beauregard> What is the title of the post?
Laly> beau-- I would have to look- it may be in main-chat under shy newbie.
Beauregard> OK.
Jack> i.e. Chat Main Room - Shy newbie.
Beauregard> Got it.
Laly> Thanks jack
Jack> May we pass the Talking Stick to angus if he wants?
Jack> We haven't heard from him in a while.
Beauregard> Certainly.
Laly> Yes jack.
Jack> Thanks, both of you. How 'bout it angus? What's been happening?
angus> Well lots and little all at the same time .
Jack> Oh I see. Not... :-)
Laly> Oh.. hmmmm
angus> I have taken a big break from KSMO as have not really
angus> been in the mood for it!
angus> imagine that?!!
Laly> Way to listen to your body angus :-) .
Jack> That sounds like some changes have been happening, angus!
Jack> Like maybe you're claiming a new center with this.
angus> Well I have been a bit burnt out and this is my down time of year anyways, so I felt no need to push it.
Jack> Right on Protocol, mate!
Jack> "Never force it."
angus> Which has helped because I was either pushing it or resisting it, depending on the day.
Jack> Voila! :-)
Jack> Yeah that actually sounds like notable progress for you, angus!
angus> Funny how progress is never what you want it to be, or think it should be, but just simply progress.
Jack> Yes, I think trying to predict how something's going to turn out may be often our way of trying to retain control of something that actually
Jack> needs to be outside of our control consciously.
Beauregard> Try living in Mexico, if you want to give up trying to predict how something is going to turn out.
Jack> LOL!
angus> LOL
Jack> Right on Protocol, Beau! LOL.
Jack> The move to Mexico, I mean.
Beauregard> LOL
angus> But I have been hitting levels I haven't been so aware of before so that is cool
Jack> VOILA!!! READERS PLEASE NOTE!
Jack> ONCE AGAIN, BY TAKING A BREAK FROM ACTIVE PRACTICE, another practitioner reports SURPRISING new progress
Jack> in their understanding and appreciation of this process. Did I get that about right, angus?
Beauregard> Could you describe the new levels?
Jack> Tnx for that question, Beau!
angus> But its kinda strange cause I find myself in these rooms far off in my mind where the echoes are really faint or distant, and yet very real and with no real need to pump it up.
Jack> WHAT A RELIEF, ANGUS!
Laly> Wow.
Jack> That's a long way from that drivenness that used to be so often part of what you were dealing with.
angus> And the rushes of physical energy that accompany them are more and more energetic.
Jack> One of those Divine Paradoxes, again. :-)
angus> like Chi energy.
angus> the other thing I have noticed lately,
angus> is that I have had this pattern of shutting off my arousal energy when I am looking at someone else. Sort of a conditioning, so I have been consciously practicing remaining more pleasure centered when I am in the presence of others.
Jack> Have you noticed any shifts in the center of this pleasure? What I
Jack> mean by that for example is more within yourself rather than more of a cruising vibe?
angus> Before I almost felt that the other was the source of my pleasure, and now I am sort of bringing it home as it were and reclaiming it as my own. People are more catalysts than the source. and it can be more heart cantered towards myself when I try this.
Beauregard> Good insight.
angus> I think it can be kind of both, and energy flow outward and inward. Sexual attraction can not be dismissed . The best way to deal with it is to allow the flow.
angus> I have often in the past, blocked my own flow to myself.
Jack> Very well stated angus. Thanks! That's what I figured, that with the practice
Jack> You have been doing, you have reclaimed your own center as the source rather than feeling compelled to seek it outside of yourself.
Jack> Angus, I think that's a PRETTY BIG DEAL for you!
angus> I suppose some are better at it than others, but I think it has to be a bit of both.
Jack> It seemed like you were getting pretty burned out on the old way.
Jack> Yeah, I hear you.
Laly> Awesome angus!!!
Jack> Seems more in balance now, angus. Does it to you?
angus> I guess I often blocked it as a way of 'not getting caught' looking at other guys, a safety feature.
Jack> I hear you. Nevertheless, if somebody is communicating "no thanks" to you, I think you should
Jack> respect that and direct that kind of energy elsewhere. Mutual consent, ol' boy.
Laly> Yep. I agree.
Jack> :-)
Jack> *** I think that's pretty important, actually. ***
Jack> Laly, is there anything else I may help you with tonight? Or anything else you'd like to share or clear?
Laly> The only thing I am struggling with is when the 2rd orgasms happens I have a hard time getting a good breath in.
Laly> The energy constricts the lungs and chest
Laly> as it passes thru there.
Jack> Because of the intensity?
Laly> yes.
Jack> Yes at the point it passes thru, it can be very strong. Are you meaning that single breath, or that it
Jack> becomes hard to breathe for longer than that.
Laly> for more than that-- I have to literally pant for 3-4 minutes.
Jack> During that period, are you continuing to use the Key Sound?
Laly> No -not during this.
Jack> Ok, good. What about stimulation?
Laly> Do not have to for me.
Jack> OK.
Jack> Do you have that experience with the first one(s)?
Laly> By the time the 2nd one is :there" , then I start the bliss crying
Laly> yes, but not as much-- only a little but.
Jack> Oh yeah if you're crying then breathing can become more irregular.
Jack> Ok, if you're noticing that a little, then that's the time to back off from Key Sound and stimulation, so that
Jack> you're not thrown into too much intensity too soon.
Jack> That is, as soon as you notice that your breathing is not as relaxed, then pause everything but
Jack> slow relaxing breaths.
Laly> ok.
Jack> You know how strong they can be now. So you don't have to press onward, before allowing
Jack> yourself to come all the way back to a centered, relaxed state with just slow relaxing breaths, no amping with Key Sounds
Jack> or stimulation.
Jack> That second one will be there for you when you can approach it
Jack> more slowly, while making sure your breathing is still helping your relax and handle the energy
Jack> that's flowing, without getting behind the curve into a zone where you're having trouble breathing.
Laly> After 10 min I stop the Key Sound and as for stimulation I can't do that. Would throw me over to a normal orgasm.
Laly> Ok. I understand that.
Jack> Ok. Maybe stop the Key Sound after 8 minutes, or 7... etc. You know, just EEEEEASE back on the throttle a little more. :-)
Laly> All right.
Jack> You've got the Gates open now, so it can be fun to learn how little KS is necessary to get things going, but in a way that stays comfortable to you.
Laly> Oh, yes -am finding that out now.
<Jack> Again congratulations! :-)
Laly> Thank you.
Jack> You are VERY welcome!
Jack> RE: Our phone conversation, what time zone are you in?
Laly> est.
Laly> will never listen to a plane without going back to my heartgasm episode now :-)
Jack> ROFL!
Jack> That's a sweet reservoir to sip from!
Laly> yes it is.
Jack> No need to chugalug, eh? :-)
Laly> No lol.
Jack> :-)
Jack> Ok, anything else b4 we wrap tonight?
Laly> no.
Jack> Ok. Will you please email me with a phone number and best time and day that we could check in by phone?
Jack> And I'll give you a quick call.
Jack> Ok?
Laly> Ok- will do it tonite
Jack> Thanks! Have a good evening, and a great week!
Laly> Ok-- you too HUGSS.
Jack> Thanks very much for being here tonight. I really felt your support thru it all.
Laly> aww *blushing
Jack> HUGSS to you too, laly!
Laly> Take care.
Jack> Talk with you soon. Take care. Be gentle with yourself.
Laly> Ok will do.
Laly> Bye
Jack> Bye for now!
Session Close: Thu Sep 29 20:04:27 2005