<center><font color="red">Complete Transcript of Multiple Orgasm Trigger Coaching Chat 0214</center><font color="black"><hr>Please post YOUR comments AND QUESTIONS in reply...<center><font color="red">VERY IMPORTANT</center><font color="black">PLEASE remember: DO NOT quote the entire transcript in your reply. ONLY quote the segments about which you are specifically commenting... Thanks!<HR>Summary of Chat 0214 (full transcript below):
<font color="red">[*]Laly, skyguy, a2z, Nicholas, donnoi, yomo, and Mista-B join Jack for a discussion on power healing techniques, making the Key Sound correctly, fine tuning the practice, and Echo Effects.<font color="black">[*]Laly mentions a book called Power Healing by Dr. Zhi Gang Sha that is being helpful to her. The book is about healing without medication.[*]veteran skyguy, who has been practicing intermittently has a concern about the consistency in his Key Sound and the vibrations. Laly offers that she tips her head forward sometimes when making the Key Sound and then lays it back down. Newbie Nicholas says that the stomach muscles naturally go out the chin comes up. Newbie a2z responds that this is what he does to get the husky voice. Jack says that skyguy must relax to get a good Key Sound. Jack suggest following what he does in the Key Sound Training audio seminar and to do a 5 minute session of just Key Sound plus 3 regular breaths while following. Then play it back and compare.[*]a2z inquires whether the stomach muscles should go in when breathing the Key Sound out. Jack replies not to worry about those, instead concentrate on relaxing and approximating the Key Sound as in the audio seminars. He also says not to FORCE the Key Sound just relax and ALLOW it to happen. Laly agrees and adds that force only makes you frustrated.[*]a2z has concerns about only getting feeble Echo Effects by following the Protocol, not like the first time he tried the Key Sound and wonders if he should go back to his original style. Jack says he slow down and stop trying to make things happen. He also emphasizes that the Echo Effects are the primary guide. Laly says that the important thing is to allow yourself to relax and not anticipate the orgasms. donnoi adds that you cannot anticipate what will happen so hold no expectations and be pleasantly surprised. Jack gives some pointers about what to do during a Protocol session including the importance of a SINGE touch or caress and relaxation.[*]a2z inquires about the day or two between sessions. Laly says that her body lets her know when she is ready for another KSMO session by tingling and an energy buildup. Jack responds that is helpful to know and that many people who learn KSMO eventually experience that a sense of the multiple orgasmic energy is there whenever they choose to access it.[*]newbie Mista-B inquires whether one can practice KSMO after intercourse or ejaculation. Jack responds that you can, but you should learn the skill in solo practice first without ejaculation as a part of it. Jack also says that the practice does not require being "pent up" but if you get in the habit of ending the practice by ejaculating this may short circuit the Echo Effects which could otherwise continue after the practice. Jack recommends that solo or partnered sex with ejaculation take place on the days between practice sessions.[*]Mista-B inquires about bodily movements accompanying the Echo Effects. Jack responds that there are often automatic body movements which are part of the Echo Effects and these are the teachers. donnoi says that he has pelvic vibration, muscular spasms, stretching, emotional responses and even mystical states. Jack cautions Mista-B to beware of attachment to these responses if they occur and to just stay open to what his body want to give.[*]a2z wonders why more people don't know about KSMO. Jack responds it is up to the practitioners to spread the word.[*]a2z inquires how Jack discovered KSMO. Jack gives a brief history of how he developed the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Protocol.[*]donnoi offers some suggestions for improving the web site. Jack asks him and others to post them to the Suggestion Box conference in the Forum.[*]Laly mentions two other books which she finds useful, Energy Medicine and Your Hands can heal you. Jack suggests she start a thread in the Forum for the Power Healing techniques.[*]Jack concludes the chat by thanking all for their participation.<HR>
Session Start: Thu Sep 01 18:00:38 2005
Laly> Hi Jack
Jack> Hello!
Laly> How are you tonight?
Jack> Doing well, considering the news [Hurricane Katrina disaster]... that's incredibly stressful. But we're here to learn how to open our hearts more and that's what's needed, imho.
Laly> Yeah.
Jack> And you? :-)
Laly> Good here-- been reading a book Power Healing.
Jack> Yeah I saw you mention that in a post. What are you discovering?
Laly> A whole new "world" that I am eager to open and explore.
Jack> Are you ok with sharing some examples? Sounds intriguing.
Laly> Yeah- it is using your body to heal yourself , by using 4 keys to energize your body, mind & spirit.
Jack> What are the 4 keys?
Laly> Body power, mind power, sound power, soul power.
Laly> and there are several meditations that can be used to combine these 4 keys,
Laly> and using these 4 keys you can literally heal yourself without using medication.
Laly> Hello skyguy
skyguy> Hello Laly
Jack> Welcome back skyguy! Have you and Laly met b4?
skyguy> Hi No.
Laly> Hi skyguy-- I am only been with KSMO for a few weeks.
Jack> [and she has already made some very powerful and moving posts to the Forum as well as her sharing in previous chats!]
Laly> << is blushing. aww thank you jack. i do my best.
Jack> You're welcome. And thanks for your tremendous courage!
Laly> Yeah- without courage I could not get where I am today.
skyguy> I have been reading your posts and they have been very informative.
Laly> Thank you skyguy.
Jack> sky, fyi laly's talking about a book called Power Healing that's being helpful to her.
skyguy> Who is it written by?
Laly> Dr. Zhi gang sha.
Laly> Was recommended by Yomo to read.
skyguy> I like to read all of the books people talk about on this forum.
Laly> True. I have 2 more after this one to read.
Jack> What are they?
Laly> Laughs- I gotta go look jack-- . I forget the titles.
Laly> go ahead and talk skyguy - i'll be right back.
Jack> Yeah that's great, because I was going to ask skyguy to go ahead if ok with you, Laly. Welcome a2z!
skyguy> Thanks Jack.
Laly> Yes jack that's ok.
Laly> Go ahead skyguy.
skyguy> Hello a2z.
Laly> Hello a2z.
a2z> Hi all
Jack> a2z, would it be ok if returning vet skyguy had the Talking Stick first? He didn't get a chance
Jack> last time he was in.
a2z> Sure
Jack> Thanks! You have the "Talking Stick," sky.
skyguy> I have only been able to practice intermittently, but I have noticed that I am not consistent in how I make the sound.
Laly> vibrations in the throat skyguy?
skyguy> I was thinking that my inconsistency might hamper my progress.
skyguy> I have a hard time keeping those vibrations there.
Jack> "keeping" "those" vibrations where?
skyguy> I notice that I am making the sound more with my throat and not vibrating my chest like I did when I had my last cold.
skyguy> Maybe I am too tense and need to learn to relax more.
Jack> Most definitely! :-)
Jack> But that's what the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol is
Jack> designed to help you with. Which leads me to a coupla checking questions:
Jack> Have you downloaded and studied the pdf document called
Jack> Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Summary Update?
skyguy> I have reviewed the latest PDF and have relistened to the protocol.
Jack> Ok. Thanks. Just want to make sure you have that info on board. RE: the Key Sound,
Jack> do you have the second audio seminar that concentrates on the Key Sound training?
skyguy> Yes, if you mean the 20 minute practice seminar.
Jack> Hi Nicolas, welcome! We're talking with skyguy at the moment.
Laly> Hello Nicholas.
skyguy> Hi Nicholas
Nicolas> Hi to all
Jack> Yes skyguy, thanks for the confirm on that re: the second seminar (Key Sound Training).
Jack> IMPORTANT TIP: Do you ever play the 20 min demo and then copy the sound as I demo it each time?
skyguy> No, I haven't done that.
Laly> skyguy-- I found that I tip my head forward sometime when I do the key sound and lay it back down.
Nicolas> I've found that as you bring up your chin, the stomach muscles naturally go out.
a2z> Jack this is what I do to get the husky voice, though today I was very bad at trying to get that.
Jack> Yes a2z, that's correct! To get the husky voice you must relaaaaaxxx. :-)
Laly> uh huh -- relaxation is key to making good key sound.
Jack> I like Laly's tip too! Yeah I recommend that you use that 20 min demo as a "follow-along" guide.
Jack> That is, make the Key Sound as I do or right after I do in the Key Sound Training audio seminar, and compare the sounds... move
Jack> towards matching the way mine sounds, more or less.
skyguy> I will try that next time I practice (both tipping my head down and following along with the demo)
Jack> Another tip, sky:
Jack> Do a 5 minute or so session of just Key Sound plus 3 regular breaths as you follow along
Jack> with my Key Sound demo, and record that practice. Then play it back and compare my sounds with yours. That may
Jack> also help you calibrate.
Jack> Instead of concentrating though on doing it right, or trying to make something happen, just use
Jack> the breathing AND the Key Sounds to help yourself
Jack> ***slow down and relax...***
Jack> OK?
skyguy> Ok, I'll try that.
Jack> Great!
Laly> Welcome yomo!!
Jack> Welcome back yomo!
yomo> Howdy!
Laly> Hi donnoi
skyguy> Welcome guys.
yomo> 8?)
Jack> Welcome back donnoi! D and yomo fyi, skyguy has the the Talking Stick at the moment. Just so you know... we're talking about correct articulation of the Key Sound.
Jack> Ok folks, I recommend that we give the two newbies a2z and Nicolas (I believe you are both newbies...) the first
Jack> opportunity to share, ask questions, etc. if they like?
a2z> Jack, do the stomach muscles go in when you are breathing the key sound out?
Jack> They may, but don't worry about which way the stomach is moving. We have found
Jack> that it tends to be a distraction. Best bet is to concentrate on relaxing and approximating
Jack> the Key Sound as I demo it in both of the audio seminars.
a2z> My benchmark for getting the KS right is proper vibration in the chest
Jack> That's a good intermediate benchmark, but the REAL benchmarks are the *ECHO EFFECTS*.
Laly> Oh YEAH -- echos ... laughs.
yomo> I also think you can almost see what your body wants to do - to support a sigh
a2z> I followed your 20 minutes KS demo and there are two things I got frustrated with:
a2z> oh ok, the echo effects didn't happen today or were too feeble
a2z> 1. the huskiness in voice was very difficult to get today
a2z> 2. the length of your Key Sound in the 20 minute demo was a bit hard for me to produce for the same length of time...so
a2z> is it ok to shorten my Key Sound - shorter than your demo?
Jack> What do you mean "get"?
a2z> I couldn't produce the same kind of huskiness in my voice as your did....
a2z> my throat was flat...
Jack> Just get as close as you can. WITHOUT FORCING. That is ***very*** important **throughout** the practice... Don't "force" anything. It's the
Jack> POLAR OPPOSITE of "going for it" or "making myself orgasm," FYI.
Laly> uh huh - force only makes you becomes frustrated.
Jack> I get a sense that you may be still holding somewhat of a mindset of trying to "get" the Echo Effects to happen.
a2z> hmmm so in short you should feel or should I say do the Key Sound with an erotic passion in your heart and not worry about the huskiness which would simply follow?
Jack> Well, erotic passion in your heart probably wouldn't hurt, but there is a certain
Jack> intention usually with the Key Sound, but the intention is to ***relax*** AS
Jack> you "allow" a ***gentle*** Key Sound. Most of your attention imho should be on relaxing and on making an unforced,
Jack> relaxed Key Sound as deep as you **naturally** can **without** forcing.
a2z> I think I am now getting what you mean
a2z> How about pt. 2. - the length of each Key Sound
a2z> I think I was too mechanical today trying to perfect the Key Sound
Jack> Yeah re: mechanical, that sounds like a good insight!
Jack> And THAT is a good sign because it means that you are beginning to learn how to SELF-CALIBRATE your practice.
a2z> So that also answers my pt. 2 question...the length doesn't matter as long as the ks was natural and unforced and done in a relaxed felt from the heart manner.
Jack> Yeah that's definitely closer to the signal line, a2z!
Jack> You don't want to force the duration of the Key Sound either though. Your intention is to make it
Jack> as deep, with a little breathiness, as you can, without forcing.
a2z> there has to be a bit more air pumped out when you produce the key sound. its what voice trainers teach to get a deeper voice...?
yomo> [IMPORTANT TIP FROM YOMO!-JJ] a2z -> those foam ear plugs let you hear the sound differently - maybe easier to feel the resonance - and you can also play around with volume - try a quiet one -

a2z> The first time I tried the Key Sound as mentioned in my email and post to you...
a2z> I had wonderful results though according to you it was just a glimpse...
a2z> this 20 minute protocol...
a2z> I've tried twice and haven't felt a thing...oh ok a bit feeble nice feeling
a2z> but very feeble
a2z> Can't I go back to my original style I tried the first time?
Jack> RE: "Can't you go back?" That's not up to me. You can do whatever you want. But if you want
Jack> the results we're talking about here, then I recommend you consider following the Protocol.
Jack> One of the first
Jack> BIG challenges, esp for us males, it seems, is learning to
Jack> *slooooowwwww dowwwwwn....*
Jack> and
Jack> *let goooooo* of trying
Jack> to "make" *ANY*thing happen.
donnoi> 2nd That!
Laly> *nods head
Jack> Listen to that voice of experience from donnoi and Laly, a2z! :-)
Jack> FIRST LESSON:
Jack> S
Jack> L
Jack> O
Jack> W
Jack> .
Jack> D
Jack> O
Jack> W
Jack> N
Jack> .
Jack> .
Jack> .
Jack> :-)
a2z> g
a2z> o
a2z> t
a2z> i
a2z> t
a2z> m
a2z> y
a2z> g
a2z> u
a2z> r
a2z> u
a2z>
Jack> :-)
Laly>
Jack> Here's the Multi-Orgasmic Secret to the Universe, a2z:
Jack> Your Echo Effects are your Primary Guru.
donnoi> There are bound to some boring days and then subtle experiences which you will likely question as being relevant ... that's part of the process.
Jack> How do you answer that question, donnoi?
Jack> very good point imho, btw.
a2z> Yeah, I guess I got a bit frustrated with no results in the 2 protocol sessions I did.
donnoi> Then the echo effects get deeper .. just try not to anticipate them or hold onto them but let them be what they will.
Laly> uh huh.
donnoi> Jack is so right about them being the guru. If you are patient with yourself they will teach you everything.
Jack> "no results that you expected" may be more accurate, a2z.
Jack> What do you think?

Laly> [RE: Echo Effects] by listening to mine - i was taught a very important lesson about KSMO.
Jack> What was that, laly?
Laly> The Key Sounds and Echo Effects Jack.
Laly> to "allow" yourself to relax and not anticipate the orgasms.
Jack> PLEASE EVERYONE TAKE CAREFUL NOTE OF THAT LESSON.
donnoi> It might be true to say that you can't fully anticipate what will happen so hold no expectation and be pleasantly surprised.
Jack> IT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT
Jack> CONCEPTS TO "GET" IN THIS PRACTICE.
Jack> Again, well spake, donnoi, imho.
Laly> By doing this I was blessed with my first multiple.
Jack> CLUE ALERT *** CLUE ALERT *** CLUE ALERT *** CLUE ALERT ***
Jack> :-)
Laly> :-)
Jack> a2z, are you hearing what these goodfolk are sharing with you?
a2z> I AM GOING TO FOLLOW THIS Laly
Jack> Voila!
a2z> unbelievable
Laly> HUGS a2z-- :-)
a2z> Relax, Key Sound, expect no results
Jack> Unbelievable and unknowable-in-advance.
donnoi> Tension is a sensation killer and we want to awaken feeling in this practice.
Jack> Expect results, but don't specify what form they will take. Be open to being surprised
Jack> by your Echo Effects Gurus!
Laly> Well said Jack.
a2z> I was trying to perfect the Key Sound last two sessions, in my first session I was simply doing the Key Sound...that's why the first session took me so far
Jack> Yes I agree with donnoi. And tension blocks the flow of the energy. The AWAKENING energy.
Jack> CLUE ALERT *** CLUE ALERT ***
Jack> :-)
Jack> GREAT insight a2z!
Jack> See that's another example of self-calibration. You just "took in" that aspect
Jack> of the Protocol from these good people. Well done!
Jack> If your head is full of expectations, and a timeline such
Jack> as "tonight I'm gonna NAIL this!" etc.
Jack> that will just keep bulldozing over the SUBTLE feelings... the subtle Echo Effects... that ARE happening.
a2z> Relax, no expectations, KS, breath, sense for any echo effects, breath, ks....and have a relaxing time
Laly> You got it a2z!!
Jack> Yeah! And then after about 3 or 4 minutes max of Key Sound plus relaxing breaths, introduce
Jack> a SINGLE touch of an erotic area before each Key Sound.
Jack> A SINGLE touch or caress, then pause (without breaking contact is ok...).
Jack> If your genital area is "too hot" i.e. stimulative, then enlist the assistance
Jack> of one or more of your "secondary erogenous zones" e.g. nipples, etc.
Jack> During the ENTIRE 20 minute (MAXIMUM) practice session,
Jack> at least for now, I recommend you not increase the stimulative touch
Jack> beyond that SINGLE touch or caress before each Key Sound.
Jack> And I real-eyes trying to imagine how that could possibly work might be a strain at the moment. :-)
Jack> Just let go of the mind-noise of trying to figure it out ahead of time (may be a tendency to try to retain a sense of control,
Jack> when in fact allowing a little more relaxation may be the more direct path).
Jack> You don't need to use a stopwatch on the time between sessions. The Protocol is a guide, but it's
Jack> good to follow it pretty closely in the beginning before trailblazing.
a2z> damn....now have to wait 48 hours for my next practice session
Jack> Yes a day off between practice can actually
Jack> give the Echo Effects more *breathing room* to awaken.
a2z> Real GEMS of Advice....I already feel close to an orgasm just by reading all the excellent insights here.
Jack> LOL! Imagine THAT!
a2z>
Laly> my body usually signals me when it is ready for my next KSMO session- usually 2 days.
Jack> May we ask how it does so?
a2z> Yeah...?
Laly> ok-- female perspective here,
Laly> I have been doing "manual" orgasms for 20 years now, I have gotten to know my body pretty well.
Laly> tingling and achy breast -
Laly> and I can feel the energy building inside.
Laly> just an overall "awareness". I guess.
Jack> Thanks! That's very helpful.
donnoi> My belief is that multiple orgasm is such a natural thing. It becomes almost like breathing in time - it's instinctive. If you're human, there is no need to worry about failure - we just listen to the body and don't "talk back" with judgments.
Jack> Yeah I tend to agree with that donnoi.
Laly> uh huh.
Jack> Many people who learn this (including yours truly) eventually experience a sense of the multiple orgasmic energy is there just about whenever
Jack> we choose (at an appropriate time and place) to access the energy.
a2z> that's what I liked in your seminar when you said that Jack.
Jack> Cool!
Jack> It's the Great Well Of Ecstasy and you may lower your bucket whenever you like, in a setting that is appropriate for informed, consensual erotic activity.
Jack> Let your intuition AND the Echo Effects guide you.
Laly> *grins.
a2z> Jack - I'm going to ask you for a telephone training.
Jack> Yes that's fine, a2z, just send me an email and we'll set it up.
a2z> That's all I had to ask for now Jack. I'll be shooting the email shortly
Jack> Ok, thanks, a2z!
a2z> Thanks Jack! just attached a link to your product from my site. hope it helps.!!!
Jack> Thanks a2z!
Jack> Welcome Mista-B! We're just wrapping up with newbie a2z
Laly> Hi mista-b welcome.
Mista-B> Hello
Mista-B> Wow I did I started joining at 9 :P
Mista-B> Hey thanks for the heads up email Mr. Johnston
Jack> You're welcome! BTW, folks call me Jack. :-)
Mista-B> Oh should I be keeping quiet while you help those who need it?
Jack> We have a convention
Jack> called "The Talking Stick" more less like having the floor.
Mista-B> Sure thing I'll just soak in the info that's being discussed. Sorry about that :X
Jack> You're next if you'd like to be, Mista.
Jack> Please go ahead if you'd like.
Mista-B> Maybe next time Jack, I just started my first year in college so its been a bit to busy to fully practice . I have listened through the mp3s a few times and am waiting on the CD. I just wanted to peek in and listen to others problems in case I have some of the same in my experiences
Jack> Ok, no problem. Welcome!
Jack> Who's next in the door?
Jack> The Talking Stick is available. :-)
Laly> yomo -- donnoi??
donnoi> I'm just here for support if desired.
Laly> :_) , thanks donnoi
Jack> [btw, newbies and all, make sure you download, print, and study carefully the pdf Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Summary Update /end public service announcement]
Jack> Yeah thanks very much, donnoi!
Jack> Does anyone have a question or something they'd like to share?
yomo> Um -
yomo> I am still on "vacation" - but -
yomo> I have continued breathing and relaxing - just not ks amplification
Jack> How's that working for you?
yomo> Very well -
Jack> GREAT yomo!
Mista-B> I was wondering if you can still practice the techniques after intercourse or ejaculation. If you can still get orgasm after the bodily ejaculation has occurred or if the psychological orgasms are not impacted or depleted by ejaculation.
Jack> Mista, the energy level may tend to be attenuated by the hormonal flood accompanying ejaculation (refractory period),
Jack> but it's not uncommon, **once you have learned the skill in solo practice without the ejaculation as part of it**
Jack> to at least at times to continue to feel the orgasmic waves even after ejaculation.
Jack> I do not however usually recommend that you try to initially learn the skill that way.
Jack> GOOD QUESTION, MISTA-B!
Mista-B> It's also said that you can use these techniques in bed but would this take a very advanced state of relaxation since you use muscles to thrust instead of just sitting and stroking not having to tense anything up at all?
Mista-B> thanks for the great answers Jack
Jack> I recommend that you **learn** the skill through solo practice, then those concerns tend to resolve themselves usually, Mista-B.
Mista-B> I'll definitely practice fully loaded
Jack> Mista-B,
Jack> the practice does not require that you be "pent up" re: ejaculation or not, but if you get in the habit
Jack> for example of ending the KSMO practice by ejaculating, then you may likely be short-circuiting the Echo Effects
Jack> that could otherwise keep, well... Echoing! after the session, and even somewhat on the day between sessions.
donnoi> I agree.
Jack> If you feel you want to have solo or partnered sex with ejaculation, then I recommend
Jack> that you plan those activities on the days *between* the practice sessions.
donnoi> Again, that too is my experience.
Mista-B> I see and these Echoes do they include any sort of muscle tensing in the penis?
Jack> Again, your Echo Effects (their presence or absence, relative strength, variety, etc.) will be your primary guide.
Jack> No voluntary tensing, Mista-B. You may be confusing this with pretty much
Jack> all of the other methods out there for men, which involve introducing some kind of tensing up. This does not.
Mista-B> Ah ok I'll definitely give myself a few hours minimum cushion between KSMO and ejac
Jack> The more hours in between you allow Mista-B, up to a dozen or so, the more chances you give the Echo Effects to manifest.
Jack> When you practice this correctly, you will learn how to experience multiple orgasms without any sense
Jack> of a need to hold back or block ejaculation, and even with any sense of an ejaculatory Point of No Return.
Mista-B> Yes I understand there are no PC squeezes but do these echos have any sort of bodily movements or twitching accompanying them?
Jack> Yes there are definitely often **automatic** body movements, contractions (even perhaps "dry ejaculation" contractions of the penis), etc. Those
Jack> are all part of the Echo Effects process. Those are the teachers... the **spontaneous** i.e. **automatic** responses
Jack> both physically and emotionally (and for those who choose, spiritually) to the practice.
Mista-B> Excellent! that's exactly what I was wondering. I have always been a big fan of those dry ejaculation contractions of the penis,
donnoi> Echo effects : Pelvic vibrations, muscular spasms, stretching, emotional responses all come into play for me and yes even mystical states.
Mista-B> That's awesome.
Jack> I just caution you to beware of "attachment" to any particular pattern. You may or may not exp penile contractions
Jack> in early practice. If you're attached to it, then you can slip into a "no results" trap or "yes, but what about penile contractions?" Instead
Jack> I recommend just staying **open** to what your body *wants* to give you.
Mista-B> Yes I've heard about letting your body experience what it wants to I'll try to keep no expectations and take whatever I get
Jack> That's great Mista-B. Yeah I'm the only author-discoverer I know of who makes such a chat available on this topic, included for a $30 publication.
Mista-B> Thanks so much for making these chats possible. Its a great idea and really lets me put confidence into this practice.
Mista-B> I must depart! Thanks again everyone. Good night to all
Mista-B> yes even the CD was a bargain in my eyes
Jack> Bye Mista! Thanks!
Jack> Yes I agree, Mista. PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD!
Jack> :-)
Mista-B> I'll try to be back next time, with some experience too!
Jack> And feel free to make donations! ;-)
a2z> I have a question.
a2z> WHY THE F* DOESN'T THE WORLD KNOW ABOUT THIS EASY TO GET MMO SYSTEM????????????????????
a2z> such an easy system should spread like wild fire
a2z> sorry...got excited there....seems like I'am getting echoes of a third kind. sorry.
Jack> In answer to your question, a2z, it's because *you* haven't told the world about it yet!
Jack> ;-)
a2z>
a2z> Is it because people are skeptical? I'll be honest - I was initially.
Jack> There's a clue. The main reason is that they haven't yet heard enough STORIES from the likes of each of you!
Jack> I can stand on a soapbox and preach, but that's really different than you guys telling your story... here in the chat, in the Forum,
Jack> and in other similar Forums around the web.
a2z> I'm publishing my experiences on all my blogs Jack
Jack> Like I said: "Go forth, and tell *your* story!" :-)
Jack> **You all** *do* have access to skills and info that many are seeking, they just don't know about it yet.
a2z> I just attached a link to your product from my site. hope it helps.!!!
a2z> I surely hope people click to get to your product from there
Jack> That's GREAT, a2z... Thanks!
a2z> damn....wasted 2 years practicing pc muscle control when I had your CD all the time
Jack> I trust that you picked it back up when your Inner Self knew it was time.
a2z> That's true Jack....the Inner Self knew it was time.
a2z> laly would you mind detailing a bit more about body signals.
Jack> How about in a post, laly?
Laly> sure. :-)
Jack> Thanks!
a2z> lastly I pray
a2z> for all the people who have been hit by Katrina
Jack> Amen, a2z. I pray for them too. And I pray for people who present themselves as leaders to open their *hearts* and take immediate unequivocal compassionate action.
Jack> RE: Spreading the word and the need for you folks to help spread the word:
Jack> I'm 57, so I may not get around to personally telling *every*body. :-)
a2z> you are 57!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a2z> how old is that pic of yours on the website?????????????????
Jack> That pic is about 5 years ago.
Jack> Last time I wore a suit.
a2z> WTF??????????
Jack> Just kidding! LOL.
Laly> :-)
a2z> :-)
a2z> no seriously
a2z> tell us Jack
Laly> I plan to spread my "words" Jack for awhile
Jack> Thanks, laly!
Jack> tell you what, that I haven't told you, a2z? :-)
a2z>
a2z> Jack last question (I will try to promise this is the last)
a2z> how did you come about to research this great KS technique?
[HERE JACK DESCRIBES WHY AND HOW HE DISCOVERED THE KEY SOUND AND DEVELOPED THE MULTIPLE ORGASM TRIGGER - ORIGIN OF THE MULTIPLE ORGASM TRIGGER PROTOCOL]
Jack> I kept trying to find it in the literature, websites, workshops, and nobody had it esp as a solution for men. No matter
Jack> how esoteric the "wrapper", it seemed like most everyone (everyone I'm aware of) would eventually
Jack> wind up at some kind of cha cha around the ejaculatory point of no return. That just didn't seem like
Jack> natural lovemaking to me. It seemed distracting. Also, I believe that gender is not binary but a spectrum,
Jack> and so I took the liberty of taking some clues from some multi-orgasmic women, yet I also noticed
Jack> that often even their multiples seemed at least at times to be of the "reaching" (i.e., straining) form.
Jack> Sometimes doin' it fast can be fun. But I didn't believe it was the only way. And for men,
Jack> there's this whole **cultural** belief about orgasm and ejaculation being the same thing or part of the same process,
Jack> when in fact they are not. Now there are some out there who DO recognize this, but when it comes to applying
Jack> that understanding to the male situation, the authors or advisors or (fill title in the blank) all seemed to
Jack> wind up right back at some kind of last moment slammin' on the brakes, either slowly or quickly, but still dealing
Jack> with the Point of No Return. I believed that when I really found "It", i.e., when I had *truly* discovered
Jack> how to *completely* separate multi-orgasmic waves from *any* ejaculation, that I knew I'd have it
Jack> when I would also notice that there was no sense at all of an ejaculatory Point of No Return. And that's what
Jack> many if not most who learn this report.
Jack> That's the short answer to your question. :-)
a2z> wow
donnoi> This practice is so unbelievable. Almost too good to be true. That's a great obstacle to communicating this to people perhaps. Testimonials are important. Thanks to all who share experience here.
Jack> I second that, thanks, donnoi!
a2z> I just want this unbelievable discovery widespread
Jack> "Testimonials" are indeed important... AND so are just posting accounts of your story. That is, to let the world know what you have learned and that you know other people (thru here) who have also learned.
a2z> Can you imagine how happy would those millions of males be who pre ejaculate and those who have difficulties
Jack> Yep. Help me get in touch with them, willya?
a2z> Jack you need a pr company to spread the word
Jack> You folks are my pr company.
Laly> So true Jack thanks -
Jack> Thanks laly!
a2z> Maybe this is why I saw your seminar and two years later tried it and am talking to you.
Jack> There are tons of zines online and in print that might be int'd in your story.
a2z> Not enough. look at the PC muscle industry
a2z> I got nothing but sore muscles
Jack> You and about 4 billion other males on the Plan-It!
a2z> Damn I spent 6 months trying to find if the muscle I contracted was truly my pc muscle...i'm not joking.!!!!!!!!!!!
Jack> You've come to the right recovery group, Brother!
Jack> ;-)
donnoi> Your web site is coming along nicely. I think maybe it needs a picture of some sort to involve the right brain.
Jack> Yes would you care to create one?
Jack> Thing about pictures and home pages, is that they affect load speed that's a big issue, but that's something
Jack> we can discuss in the Suggestion Box Conference in the Forum.
Jack> Thanks donnoi!
donnoi> I'll see what I can do. Feed back from others welcome too.
Jack> You bet! I need all the help I can get! :-)
Jack> Most def, donnoi! Thanks!
Laly> Would not have to be a big pic tho right donnoi??
a2z> I think your website be less cluttered and more we are real guys kind (sorry for the criticism)
Jack> There's a place to post all of that, a2z. See the Conference called Suggestion Box, where you can post *specific* suggestions. Thanks!
Jack> It's not just for "real guys" eh, laly?
a2z> Jack you need beautiful women pics embracing happy males on the site, Testimonials, proofs, references from famous personalities (like Barbara Keesling who recommends your technique)
Laly> Nope Jack *winks. for sure.
Jack> a2z- please post that and others to the Suggestion Box and we'll continue the thread, a2z.
Jack> Thanks.
a2z> This technique needs a face, a personality a marketing image
Jack> Earth to a2z:
Jack> Please post to the Suggestion Box. Thank you.
a2z> Oh ok. I'll first email you and if possible talk to you about this. Let me create a plan for this
Jack> Ok. Thanks!
a2z> I'll be leaving. Dinner needs attention.
a2z> Thanks Jack
Jack> Thanks for being here tonight! Thanks for all you share and bring to the practice!
Jack> Anything else before we wrap for this evening?
donnoi> Nothing here.
Laly> The other 2 books u asked about jack -.
Jack> Yes!
Laly> Energy Medicine & Your Hands Can Heal You.
Jack> Energy Medicine - Donna Eden's?
Laly> Yes.
Jack> Yeah she's great! Jackie and I know her since she and her partner David Feinstein have much history here in Ashland.
Laly> kewl.
Jack> Thanks for both of those!
Laly> You're welcome.
Laly> and thank you yomo- for suggesting them to me HUGS.
donnoi> yomo started a thread for energy medicine references I saw.
Jack> Well DONE, Yo!
yomo> 8?)
Jack> THANKS!
yomo> Pleasure
Jack> You said it! :-)
Jack> I hope you each have a great week!
Laly> You too Jack , take care.
Jack> See you in the Forum.
Jack> Thanks laly!
Laly> Gonna read more of the Power Healing.
Jack> I hope you'll
Jack> start a thread about it... like a journal if you would,
Laly> for the power healing techniques?
Jack> journal is 57 y.o. word for "blog" :-)
Jack> Yeah, sure, what you're reading, what it means to you, and you relate it to this practice.
Laly> ok.
Jack> Thanks!
Laly> bye.
donnoi> Bye all!
yomo> good night all
Laly> take care yomo and donnoi
Jack> Bye donnoi. Thanks for all YOU bring here too!
Jack> And you too, Yo!
donnoi> Glad to be a part of this.
yomo> Me too!
Jack> I'm glad you are too!
Laly> Me 3.
Jack> :-)
yomo> 8?)
Session Close: Thu Sep 01 20:15:25 2005