Session Start: Thu Mar 17 18:03:19 2005
Jack> Hey mate!
angus> hi jack!
Jack> How're you doing this week?
Jack> Oh geez, I never sent you that t-script, did I?
angus> pretty good, tired tonight though, and you?
Jack> Doing well thanks!
Jack> 24th anniversary of the day that my Beloved Jackie and I first met!
Jack> Sorry about the t-script, mate. Haven't had a chance to go thru it and edit it just yet. Still
angus> wow,congrats! i guess that nicks the date then!
Jack> been full-tilt on restoring complete functionality to the site. LOL... no worries... :-)
Jack> We head for BC a week from Sunday for our lookaround.
Jack> OOOOOGIE!!!
Jack> Hey Welcome back!!!
oogster> erin go bragh, jack!
angus> cool, whereabouts? and the email will be fine when you have a moment. id o want to put it in my journal.
angus> hi oogster mate!
oogster> howdy!
angus> an irishman with us tonight.
Jack> It has been a WHILE, oog, glad to see you back in channel!
Jack> You remember angus from Canada, don't you?
oogster> good to be here, i learn (albeit slowly) each time i'm here.
oogster> angus riffs!
Jack> LOL... RE: Learning...Cool! You still getting those Echoes on the days between practices?
oogster> that depends on the success of the session, whether it hits the spot or not.
Jack> I understand that for sure. btw... learning slowly is the fastest way to learn. It's when people try to hurry up that they get slowed down. One of the Divine Paradoxes of KSMO.
Jack> Have you downloaded the Protocol Summary Update with the Revision Date of 20050127
Jack> ?
oogster> i guess that makes me the king of slow learners.
oogster> yes on updated protocol, i especially like the
Jack> Oh no. There are some other record holders. You got a ways to go to take the trophy from Drew! :-)
oogster> tip of placing hand over chest.
angus> move over oogster! you get to share that post!
Jack> lol. Glad that hand on chest tip is helpful!
oogster> besides the resonance being felt, it also just feels good.
Jack> Right on!
oogster> speaking of resonance, i took a rare relaxing soak in the tub the other day,
oogster> & noticed the sound from the subwoofer (in the other room)
angus> cool, i should try that.
oogster> when i dunked my ears under water, which got me to thinking
oogster> ... key sound! resonance to spare.
Jack> You mean the Key Sound demo was playing on the subwoofer?
oogster> no, but i'll have to try that. it was mood music, the key sound was from me, & the resonance was pretty cool.
Jack> Excellent ideas!
oogster> i'm glad i got more than just pruney fingers out of that bath.
angus> lol.
Jack> LMAO!
Jack> That's a great tip, oog! I think you're definitely on to something there. WE just
Jack> got to make sure that people don't set the speaker on the wet floor! But otherwise that idea
Jack> holds a LOT of promise!
angus> oogster, how long have you been practising?
oogster> (mumbles)
Jack> LOL. Yeah, same here. :-)
Jack> Hey guys check THIS out!!! UNDERWATER SPEAKERS!!! http://www.lubell.com/
Jack> I'm gettin WAY EXCITED about this! Maybe I should become a Distributor for them!!! :-)
oogster> i used to use a flotation tank that had underwater speakers, w/ air-push-button controls.
angus> be right back.
oogster> (going to stick his head in a bucket of water?)
Jack> LOL. Hey man you really ahem triggered a whole new angle on this Key Sound thing! I think using
Jack> ONLY a properly designed and certified safe Lubell underwater speaker, just listening to the
Jack> Key Sound Training CD demo might really help people start waking up!!! I LOVE this online community!!! Here's just
Jack> ANOTHER example of how you keep teaching me how to teach you!!! Thanks Brother!
oogster> i should take bubble baths more often!
Jack> In the Lubell literature they said they put one of their speakers in a 20 acre lake and everybody in the lake could hear it, using only 5 watts to drive it!
Jack> Hey Collin! Welcome!
Collin> Hi Jack. Thanks. Hi everyone.
oogster> hi collin, we're thinking up ideas to get aquaman into ksmo.
Collin> Oh. The super hero?
oogster> you got it.
Collin> okay. :-)
angus> oh youback.
Jack> Yeah! oog was talking about soaking in a tub while listening to music and feeling the music through the water, and that triggered us on to the idea of playing the KSMO demo while in the tub. So then I would out to http://www.lubell.com/ and found certified safe underwater speakers! Imagine!!! KSMO Key Sound demo played thru underwater speakers while you're in the tub!
Jack> ["would out" s/b "went out"]
Collin> LOL. :-) I love it.
Jack> Yeah!!! I've DEFINITELY gotta check in to that! That could really help people wake up, provided they don't over do it.
Jack> Collin check out http://www.lubell.com/
Jack> Lubell has outfitted the pools in the Olympics with their speakers.
oogster> pimp my tub!
Jack> ROFLMAO! No kiddin'!
Jack> Imagine getting into a nice tub with a special, informed and consenting friend and puttin' on that KSMO demo!
Collin> wow. Those speakers look really powerful. I could just see myself putting one of those in the and hearing a loud key sound and being blasted out of the tub.
Jack> I would think whale song could be pretty effective too, once you've had some KSMO practice.
Jack> Yeah you got to go WAY EASY with those speakers so you don't fry anything.
Collin> LOL
Jack> They're talking about putting one in a 20 acre lake and every diver and swimmer in the lake could
angus> oh come on guys! some of us have limited time tonight.
Jack> hear the music, and they were driving the speaker with only FIVE WATTS!
Jack> Oh you got it, angus. You were here first, you have the Talking Stick if you want it, mate! Thanks for speaking up.
angus> i don't have enough time to get into anything substantial, but i don't recall meeting collin before and would like to hear a bit about/from him.
Jack> [sidebar: Do NOT play the Key Sound demo in a public lake or any other body of water... privacy boundaries STILL APPLY!]
* Jack seeing angus toss the Talking Stick to Collin.
Jack> That ok with you oog?
Collin> Nice to meet you, Angus.
oogster> absolutely.
angus> cheers.
Jack> Collin, you ok with sharing a little of your story to bring the lads up to date?
Collin> yes, ok.
Collin> I first started with Jack's program about 10 months ago.
Collin> I've had some very nice results so far. Quite an adventure.
Collin> My practices don't always yield mutliple orgasms, but they have once in a while and it's been wonderful.
Collin> How about you Angus?
angus> i've been practicing almost two years and have been overwhelmed by the amount of pleasure i can at times exp. i was mentioning at the last
angus> chat that my base chakra recently opened and since then the physical aspects have increased
angus> in intensity and variety. i seem to have gone from the top chakra down to the base, and it
angus> seems to me that most guys that get it quicker around here go from base up. at least that is my observation.
Collin> Wow!
Collin> That is so fascinating
angus> isn't it!
Collin> I'd love to hear more about that.
Collin> I do feel just the way you said. - I think I go from the base chakra up.
angus> it will be shortly in my journal.
Collin> I'll look forward to reading it.
angus> hopefully that info helps anyone who is slower to learn ksmo.
Collin> Angus.. this may be a strange thing to ask, but are you wearing a colonge or powder sent right now?
Jack> [btw, "slower" is the average!]
Collin> scent I meant.
angus> yes, essential oil. which ones?!!
Collin> I just started to smell a perfume attached to you.
Collin> cool!
angus> well thats me, king of aromatherapy.
Collin> :-)
angus> cool.
Jack> Collin I am totally impressed!
angus> me too.
Collin> That has happened to me once before.
Collin> Maybe the practice has helped me this time to be more in tune to smells.
Collin> Anyway, it's very nice Angus.
Collin> Please, go on everyone.
angus> well it doesn't surprise me as ksmo seems to be opening people up on several different levels. people with complimentary energies seem to connect easier.
Collin> It really does open things up. It's the part that I did not know would be an added benefit.
Collin> It's a nice surprise.
angus> yes, when i started i just wanted hotter sex!
Collin> LOL. Exactly
angus> now i am jsut plain hotter!
Collin> Jack, thank you!!! :-)
Collin> LOL
Jack> You're VERY welcome!
Jack> You guys MAKE MY DAY!!!
Collin> :-)
angus> its nice to have rewarding work jack!
Jack> And I just love that thru the Web these ripples are happening thanks to you in various different locales on the Planet!
Jack> Yes indeed it is, angus. And this is my life's work. :-)
angus> does anyone have a sticking point/block that needs addressing?
Jack> [good ? angus, thanks!]
Collin> I think I have some blocks, but they are not exactly fully identified yet. I'm still learning.
angus> well i just wanted to say then that my key sound is only now starting to really feel right, now that i am open all the way to the base. it has taken along time.
Collin> So, there is more to look forward to! That's great , angus.
Jack> angus... it just takes the time it takes... you've done a LOT of growing in the interim, mate!
angus> it started out as an intellectual understanding,
angus> then i felt the emotional repercussions of it, and now the more physical. which
angus> seems to be pulling all the levels more together in harmony.
Collin> Nice!
angus> once again my observation has been that it is almost the opposite for many guys around here.
Collin> Yes, that is interesting.
Collin> I started out with much of the physical and the emotional opened up shortly after.
angus> i wonder if it has anything to do with being gay.
Collin> It could. But, that is not a definite. It's just a personal thing.
angus> or opposite polarities!
Collin> I think that gay or straight, we all have our own unique road maps inside us.
Collin> Two gay people or never quite the same.
Collin> "are". - sorry.
Jack> Yeah, I tend to agree with Collin on that. Especially since sexual orientation imho is a spectrum rather than strictly binary... same for gender, imho.
angus> yes, so true.
Jack> Tnx bro. :-)
Collin> It's so interesting when you study both gay and straight.. how different aspects of each person can be either more feminine or masculine.
angus> there is lots there to explore about our differences and similarities.
Jack> And there is bi, and transgender... which doesn't necessarily mean gay or bi... etc.
Jack> I really agree with that, angus!
Collin> WE are all just one big crazy quilt!
Collin> Generally looking for others to appreciate our uniqueness.
angus> what has become clear since learning ks, is that people are complimentary on so many different levels, and learning to open to those levels regardless of gender or orientation is what it is all about.
Jack> Amen, Collin!
Collin> That is true, Angus.
Jack> Amen, Angus!
angus> lol.
Collin> Amen, brother Angus!
Collin> Can I hear a amen from oogster?
angus> oh you guys!
Jack> LOL.
Collin> Well, he's been silent. I wanted to check on him.
oogster> amen!
Collin> :-)
Jack> Thankya Brother Oog!
oogster> yr welcome!
Collin> Brother Oog. I like that. I think I'll call him that from now on.
Jack> LOL! That ok with you, Oog?
oogster> sounds good to me.
Collin> Angus, how often do you practice the protocol?
angus> the last week, about every other day, but generally every 3rd or so.
Collin> I see. I don't practice everyday, but more recently I have been practicing more.
angus> how about you and oogster?
Jack> [btw, Collin I recommend that you take at least one day off between each practice. Gives your body a chance to awaken more.]
Collin> Okay. thanks.
Jack> [You're welcome! Check out the latest revision of the Protocol Summary Update pdf Revised 20050127]
oogster> i've found that it's better for me to strike when it feels right, not by the calendar.
Collin> I'm with you for the most part on that one, Brother Oog.
oogster> but definitely a day or more in between.
angus> and i really find that to be true from exp. and leaving the session on a high note rather than flogging it to death works better for me as well.
angus> agreed oogster.
Collin> Very true, Angus.
Collin> Though, I tend to want to flog it to death when I'm having mulitples. I think I've over done it sometimes.
angus> i'm sure its tempting!
Jack> Well now you know... :-)
Jack> [my comment was to Collin... re: now you're learning more about yourself]
Collin> I knew before, Jack. it's just that when it feels so good it's hard to let it rest.
Jack> For sure... just one more bite of ice cream. :-)
Collin> Yes.
Collin> And I"m a recovering sugar addict!!!
Jack> But as time goes on, you'll really "get it" viscerally that there IS enough... plenty more... whenever you want it.
Collin> ;-)
Collin> I've been sugar free for 8 months now.
Collin> except for fruit once in a while.
Jack> WOW I am SO impressed!!!
Collin> So, I guess it's no wonder my orgasms sometimes translate into Caramel "tastes"!
angus> impossible! well for me!
Jack> Oh wow, that's quite an insight, Collin!
Jack> VERY interesting association, C!
Collin> Well, I had to do something. There is no such thing as a little dessert for me.
Jack> I hear ya bro, believe me.
angus> yep.
Collin> It was really affecting my health.
Jack> How did you do it?
Collin> so at least I allow myself fruit.
Collin> I just did it, much to my surprise.
Jack> What a blessing!
Jack> Sugar is one of THE most addictive substances!
Jack> And it certainly can be lethal, over time.
Collin> And made sure to eat good things. I'm sure it's not a surprise that it maks it much easier when you focus on what you CAN have rather than what you can't/
Jack> That is for SURE!
Jack> AND finding other ways to access "the sweetness of life."
Collin> I lost 40 pounds the past 6 months.
Jack> CONGRATULATIONS!!!
Collin> Yes. I'm still learning that one, Jack.
Collin> thanks.
Jack> What a miracle.
Collin> Thank you for being so supportive. :-)
Jack> You are VERY welcome!
Collin> Not everyone is happy and supportive when people make changes, as I'm srue you all know.
angus> curious at times isn't it.
Collin> We tend to want to keep people in "our" comfort zone.
Jack> Oh yeah, it can upset the homeostasis... any kind of personal growth can pop loose those emotional furballs, including in relationship with others.
Collin> yes.
Jack> Good on ya mate!
Collin> I think that's one of the things that's held me in one place for so long. Worrying how others will react.
Collin> and knowing what the reactions will be ahead of time.
Collin> Although, sometimes people can surprise you once in a while.
Jack> It's important not to forget that part!
Collin> Yes. It all comes back to me anyway.
Jack> For sure.
Collin> I guess I tend to use others as an excuse.
Jack> Welcome to the human race!
Collin> ;_)
Jack> ;-P
Collin> Ok, I'm finished talking, guys. Please someone else take the stick.
angus> oogsters go!
Jack> Whew, way to SHARE! Collin! Thank you!
oogster> thanks, collin.
oogster> for sharing so eloquently.
Collin> thanks, oog. You guys are some of the nicest people I've ever encountered online.
Collin> I'm really grateful.
Jack> :-)
Collin> to quote angus: "oogsters go!"
Collin> :-)
Jack> If he wants to. :-)
Collin> yes.
Jack> ;-)
oogster> as usual, mind chatter gets the best of me, unless i feel prepped & ready to go, in which case things just flow.
Collin> just start with something. We're listening.
Jack> ... but only if you care to... :-) eh, Collin? :-)
oogster> i try to take advantage of the energy when it's there, but long stretches go by
oogster> when i don't feel the power.
Jack> Have you ever done a practice when you're not feeling the power?
oogster> and experience has shown it's not much use in trying to force it.
Jack> THAT is for sure!
oogster> yeah, but when there's no flow there's not much happening.
Jack> I just had an intuition that you might learn something different if
Jack> once in a while, even when you're not feeling the power, if you just do the practice
Jack> like a meditation or simple relaxation, but without expecting anything sensational to happen... just as a relaxation.
oogster> i'd like to attune my senses to be more aware of when the energy is there. i do practice when i have the time but not necessarily the engergy,
oogster> but that's when the mind chatter wins over more likely.
Jack> You might benefit from http://www.multiples.com/wild.html to help calm that mind chatter.
oogster> yes, next batch of overtime is earmarked for that, thanks.
Jack> Cool! I hope you'll post to the Wild Divine conference in the Forum when you get some experience with it. I
Jack> think it has a lot of potential!
Jack> For me, anyway. :-)
Jack> I think for others too... perhaps you included!
oogster> previewing the video i was partly impressed, partly nitpicking the artwork, my duality shows through once again.
Jack> LOL. Oh well, don't get too hung up on the packaging. :-)
Jack> I just like the idea of a video game that teaches something besides
Jack> how to blast the dickens out of somebody or something, or to zoom zoom zoom thru the streets, etc etc.
Jack> A video game that teaches something OTHER than bling bling bling blam blam blam.
Jack> I hope they extend an Open Source kind of invitation to game programmers all over the world... see if we
Jack> can shift the energy, including for kids who are totally getting entrained to be all cranked up and
Jack> blasting the heck out of everything with no perceived consequences.
* Jack stepping down off the soapbox.
angus> agreed jack.
oogster> do you know of any similar program that you can use to tune into your chakras? that would be cool.
Collin> Yes, absolutely.
angus> ksmo!
Jack> :-)
Jack> oog, do you mean
Jack> using biofeedback?
oogster> yep.
Jack> Not off the top, but that is a very interesting proposition! Are you aware of any research about
Jack> relating biofeedback responses as differentiated according to chakras? Once one gets that
Jack> mapped, then it seems like you could use the Wild Divine device to create games along those lines.
oogster> i've done a chakra audio tape, but nothing w/ biofeedback.
oogster> done=used/
Jack> Cool I'd love to hear it!
angus> a great book with exercises oogster is michael gach's 'accupressure for lovers.' helped me find those points.
Jack> Oh yeah! I think I remember Pan being very high on that book too!
oogster> sounds cool, i'll look into it. thanks, angus.
angus> yes, pan turned me onto it.
Jack> Aha! Once I get finished migrating the website to the new server and get the redesign done,
Jack> I want to expand the Other Resources area and definitely include that in it!
Jack> Well guys, I'm gonna need to wrap things up pretty soon. It's been another 12 hour day for me. :-) Anything else anybody
Jack> would like to share this evening? Or questions?
angus> no, perfect timing for me, gotta go.
Jack> [BTW, Collin could you pls send me an email... I have a question for you...]
Collin> I'm so glad we had this time together.
Collin> Ok, Jack.
Jack> Ok, angus thanks a lot for being here tonight. Thanks Collin!
Jack> Hey Oog, it was GREAT to hear from you again too!!!
Collin> do you have the same email, Jack? I tried emailing you a few days ago and it bounced.
Jack> This was another great chat! Pan's had a real nightmare with his computer so has been away,
Jack> so I have a bunch of catching up to do on posting these chats, but it's definitely on my list.
oogster> glad to be back, hope it's not to long before i join in again.
angus> thanks to all of you for listening. it means alot!
Jack> Yeah that's GREAT oog! BTW, next chat will be next Thurs, then about ten days off or so.
Jack> Yeah it means a great deal to me too, angus! I am VERY moved
Jack> by the level at which everybody shares. It's what this is all about for me!!!
angus> many blessings til next time guys, bye
Collin> bye angus.
Jack> My step daughter is getting married a week from Saturday and then I'll be on the road for about ten days. But then
Jack> I'll be back in the channel here, and will be checking in on the Forum in the meantime.
Jack> Blessings, Love, and Beeeeg Hugs to each of you!!! You guys TOTALLY ROCK!!!
oogster> thanks, jack. good night, all.
Collin> Ok, Jack. Thanks very much.
Collin> Goodnight all.
Jack> You bet, Collin, and thank YOU!
Jack> Cheers All!!!
Jack> Thanks again, Collin!
Collin> Did you see my question about your email address?
Collin> is the same email?
Jack> Ah no... jack@multiples.com
Jack> [i.e. ah no, didn't see the ?]
Collin> Ok. Thanks. I tried to email you but it came back last week
Jack> Yeah the mailserver
Collin> maybe it was during your move.
Jack> was down during the move. Yep you got it.
Collin> Ok, Jack.
Jack> I look fwd to hearing from you!
Collin> Have a great week.
Collin> Okay.
Jack> Again congrats
Collin> bye
Collin> thank you!!
Jack> on your recovery from sugar addiction!
Jack> THAT'S A VERY VERY BIG DEAL!!!
Collin> It IS for me.
Jack> Cheers, Brother!
Collin> LOL
Collin> I've done it before, but this time is the longest.
Jack> See you in the Forum.
Session Close: Thu Mar 17 19:57:46 2005