Summary of Chat 0158 (full transcript below):

• angus, Drew, and Beauregard join Jack for discussion of emotional issues, Jack's discovery of the Key Sound and Echo Effects, and a Yin/Yang approach to the Practice.
• angus mentions that he tends to feel a little antsy and/or irritable on non-practice days and inquires of Jack if this is common. Jack replies that it is common to notice things stirring internally on off days. He goes on to say that it may be furball related and if it persists counseling may be a good idea.
• angus inquires how Jack figured how that you have to let the energy go in order to increase it.
• Jack offers an explanation of how he discovered the Key Sound™ and its role in releasing the Echo Effects. These are KEY CONCEPTS.
• Jack invites angus to look back at his posts and see how far he's come. angus replies that he had been waiting for the 'big one' but will wait until the time is right. Jack replies that waiting for the 'big one' is TENSION and a quicksand trap, looking forward and waiting means he is not seeing and feeling where he ALREADY IS.
• Beauregard mentions that he has taken a break from the practice while on a trip but noticed that the Echos had not diminished significantly during his time off. Drew says that a break can be good for progress because the body uses the time to integrate new experiences. Jack says that it is a pretty big deal that his capacity for experiencing the Echos hadn't diminished that much and that is what he means by it being a SKILL. He goes on to say that as you learn to open there is a significant tendency for the "energy gateways" to stay open.
• Beauregard volunteers that he finds it helpful to imagine experiencing the practice as a female because non-ejaculatory orgasms are usually thought of a being "female" orgasms. Drew replies that this is because most males have not learned that particular skill. Jack says that one way to label the experiences is to use the Asian concepts of Yin and Yang instead of male and female as we all embody both Yin and Yang to varying degrees.
• Beauregard says he has noticed some jaw tightening in response to various world events but is able to release when he notices it. Jack responds that it is good he is becoming more aware in various aspects and is continuing to progress.
• Jack concludes by thanking Beau for sharing and inviting him and others to tune in to where they are now and then look back to where they were and how far they have come.

Session Start:
Jack> Hi!
Jack> Hey angus! How are you?
angus> Very well jack, looks like a slow day!
Jack> Yeah, Spring fever..
angus> I hear ya!
angus> Are you looking for the day off?
Jack> No, not at all I've really been appreciating your posts. What's the latest?
angus> Lots and lots everyday, very excited about the possibilities.
Jack> Cool! It seems from your posts that you are continuing to experience new levels of feeling, as well as new openings emotionally as well.
angus> haven't seen pan lately.
Jack> I did see Pan post a nice reply to one of Mukti's posts. But Pan's chronic disability has
Jack> been acting up a lot so he hasn't been physically able to sit at the keyboard for very long. I miss him too.
angus> Yes emotions are everywhere these days. Too bad, he is an awesome guy.
angus> Jack, on my days off I tend to get a little antsy and/or irritable, is this common?
Jack> Hmm not sure how common that is. But what IS common is that
Jack> on the days off people DO tend to notice things stirring internally... So in THAT
Jack> sense, yes it IS common. RE: antsy/irritable specifically... that probably has to do with your
Jack> specific emotional and physiological changes
Jack> that are happening as you continue to open more to the energy you're awakening with this practice.
Jack> My hunch is that it may be furball related... i.e., related to some unresolved emotional
Jack> stuff that heretofore may have been repressed but which is now coming up to the surface.
angus> I thought this might be one of those 'when the love goes in, the hurt comes up' things.
Jack> Yes I think that could be it precisely.Jack> Another opportunity for personal evolution.
angus> So it is really a process then.
Jack> It's what one friend of mine refers to as "Oh sh*t, thank God!"
angus> I find myself dealing with it by just being gentle with myself, I'm not into analyzing it.
Jack> That sounds perfect!
Jack> If that strategy doesn't resolve it over time, then
Jack> a little professional counseling assistance may be a good idea... if even only on a brief basis.
Jack> You know, give yourself a week or so of practice interspersed
Jack> with the minimum of one day off between practice sessions, and after a week or so
Jack> if the feelings don't seem to be shifting, but just persisting, then some part
Jack> of you is probably tugging on your sleeve saying "Hey it's time to deal with this!" i.e. time to HEAL this.
angus> For me, furballs are something that need to be worked on, this is more trivial kind of stuff i already understand. and i do seek counseling on a regular basis.
Jack> Great!Jack> Ok... just see if it shifts after a bit or not.
Jack> After a week or so. Does that seem reasonable?
angus> Yes.
angus> My last question for the man today is how did you ever figure out that you had to let the energy go in order to increase it and what is happening, do you know?
Jack> I started off
Jack> by assuming that my body KNEW how to have these kinds of orgasms. That basically I needed to let my conscious
Jack> mind get out of the way... Not
Jack> numb out or anything, but just let go of trying to control the process. To LISTEN to my feelings
Jack> and intuitions, and images for CLUES as to where the path is.
Jack> One of those intuitions wasJack> that if I am consciously holding on to the energy, then it's not FLOWING and it seemed to be
Jack> that it is the FLOWING of the energy that allows the orgasmic waves to build.
Jack> But then
Jack> the challenge was, as arousal increased to those super high levels... I needed somewhere
Jack> for that energy to GO! I noticed that I automatically was tending to make sounds, but that
Jack> the sounds weren't necessarily helping that energy continue to flow smoothly. Then
Jack> once during a session I had a memory of childhood being at the San Diego zoo and noticing
Jack> a tiger really cut loose with a roar. I remembered that as a child I was somehow aware that
Jack> the tiger's belly actually EXPANDED when the roar happened. As I child I sensed that as
Jack> a noteworthy paradox! And THAT gave the clue of experimenting with the kinds of sounds
Jack> that one could make while allowing the belly to expand. Then I combined that with the idea
Jack> of RELAXING cuz I noticed that what happens as one gets that pre-ejaculation syndrome going
Jack> is that the energy would tend to build up with lots of tension, and I was seeking a way not just
Jack> to block ejaculation, which is what pretty much everybody else on the planet seems to be teaching,
Jack> but for the "ejaculation stage" to not even get set! That is, I had a very strong intuition
Jack> that there was a way for one to experience barn-burner orgasms without that tension of ejaculation or trying
Jack> to prevent or block ejaculation, which again would be BLOCKED energy. I got BIG CLUES from
Jack> being aware of how some multi-orgasmic WOMEN seemed to be accessing the orgasmic energy. Of course,
Jack> a lot of women, even multi-orgasmic women, seem to get there using that "reaching" approach of lots of stimulation
Jack> and tension... but I was also aware of women who seemed to be able to access really amazing orgasms
Jack> by seemingly RELAXING INTO them... RELAXING INTO the feelings rather than chasing them or "making" them happen.
Jack> All of these cluesJack> just continued to coalesce as I continued to hold the PRIMARY FOCUS of ASKING MY BODY'S ANCIENT DNA WISDOM
Jack> to TEACH me how to find my way to these kinds of feelings. That's what I meant
Jack> in my replies to some of Mukti's posts when I encouraged him to let those Echo Effects become
Jack> his "guru" in this practice. That's what I did!
angus> Wow, so you gave your body permission to show you its ancient wisdom, that is cool.
Jack> Yeah! I felt that men's (and most women's) current style of creating arousal etc. was
Jack> a LEARNED behavior based on a culture that is essentially shame-based RE: strong sexual feelings.
Jack> I had a very strong intuition that the real truth about our orgasmic potential was
Jack> CODED IN TO OUR DNA... That was my "working hypothesis." So I needed to find ways
Jack> to ALLOW that deep ancient inner wisdom to MANIFEST.
Jack> I needed to learn how to RECOGNIZE those signals from the deeper
Jack> s'elves. Voila! The Echo Effects were those signals!
angus> So how do you convey to someone as to what 'relaxing into' feelings means. As I get more in touch with myself, i find i am moving more and making more sounds as i practice, which would seem to some as not relaxing at all.
Jack> They are the MESSAGES from our deep erotic self that are saying YES! THAT is where you're on the "SIGNAL LINE" Jack!
Jack> Relaxing is not the same as being completely still. One may be dancing and be very relaxed about it, very GRACE-FULL about
Jack> it. Very FLOWING about it. THIS practice is that kind of "dance."
Jack> If you're body is "wanting" to move and your conscious mind is saying "Oh THAT's not relaxing so I have to PREVENT that from happening," are
Jack> you listening to your Echo Effects guru, or are you trying to suppress those messages?
angus> So the feedback is the erotic feelings that you don't have to try to intensify, you just respond to them.
Jack> That's what I have been saying all along. Trying to "make" them happen is NOT
Jack> the path to this higher bliss. That's why when somebody talks about needing to "achieve" orgasm
Jack> or "perform" for a partner, that I zero right in on that and invite them to reframe that.
angus> But why did we all learn this way, why are we so out of touch with our true selves?
Jack> Well I've expressed some thoughts about that in the "Ejaculation compulsion - Social Implications" Conference, and I'd love
Jack> to see your posts on that issue in there. The thing is, that certain social control elements
Jack> of human culture realized early on that if they could somehow effect a mind control on this most
Jack> fundamental and potentially most liberating of human experiences, they could really effect strong
Jack> social control on people. Shame, guilt, etc. are the hammers they use to try to drive that myth into our psyche.
Jack> There seems to be a pretty strong correlation between
Jack> erotophobia and militarism, repression, etc. etc. If you take a natural fundamental and utterly compelling human
Jack> function such as eros and proclaim it as evil, and if you can back it up with military force etc. (e.g. Inquisitions and the like),
Jack> then you can really wield a lot of authoritarian control over large groups of people. We're seeing
Jack> plenty of good examples of that in human culture today.
angus> The most potent of lies! Thank God people like you are around to help us all find a way out of it. I've slipped into interview mode Jack, and I look forward to having the opportunity to do that soon.
Jack> I.M.H.O
Jack> Hey nobody said interview mode is bad. You ask great questions and there is no doubt in my
Jack> mind that if you have such a question, then it's a sure bet that others do too. That's a cornerstone
Jack> assumption of the purpose of this Forum and these chats, is that through that dialogue, and through
Jack> the INCREDIBLE power of each of us sharing our STORY, these lessons will resonate for many others as well.
Jack> Every post you make to this forum is a testament to
Jack> your finding your way through the B.S. clouds to the authentic good stuff. When you
Jack> look back at your posts here, you will see how far you have come, and how much you have already
Jack> liberated yourself.
angus> I wanted to wait til i had the big one, but I think if it is alright with you, we'll just wait til the time is right! no conditions on it. and when next week would be convenient to call you and donate a few bucks into the weboard fund.
Jack> RE: Your "looking forward" for that opportunity...
Jack> Instead of looking "forward" look where you already are!
Jack> If you are "waiting" for a "big one" THAT is TENSION. That WAITING... is TENSION, and
Jack> as long as you're "looking forward" and "waiting" you are NOT SEEING AND FEELING where you ALREADY ARE
Jack> ***AND*** how far you have already come.Jack> THAT is why I refer to that ATTACHMENT
Jack> to wanting the "big one" is such a quicksand trap.
angus> It has been totally amazing, I am still digesting it all. Thanks for your help jack, I love ya. see, little words like waiting and looking forward, yet so much content!
Jack> Yep those little words are the enculturated
Jack> patterns that are usually outside of our awareness and they are how, IN THE MOMENT as we speak
Jack> them, we keep re-knitting the chains.
Jack> If you go back thru the seven years' of posts in this Forum,
Jack> you'll be amazed at the extent to which people report feeling
Jack> ENTIRELY NEW feelings of pleasure, then DISCOUNT it all by saying "but it's not the Big One" or
Jack> "I'm not sure it's ORGASMIC" etc. Labels shmabels.
Jack> The important thing
Jack> is that the feelings ARE pleasant (when they are, of course), and they ARE ***NEW***... like
Jack> never felt before beginning this practice, and so on. If they are pleasurable, feel good, AND they
Jack> are different than one has felt before, that to me seems like the path of progress, of personal evolution.
Jack> Then maybe somewhere along the line we get better at releasing our attachments to playing "Yes, But..." with
Jack> our erotic experience.
angus> I guess that is a huge part of this process, opening to being present in the moment. I have to take a break now, finish my laundry. I'll let you two at 'er for a while. Thanks jack again for your caring. And I will have to get on my soapbox too, it is so sexy!
Jack> Exactly! ;-)
angus> LOL!
Jack> Take care angus! Keep posting your journey to the Forum. It's a great one!
angus> Thanks man, see you soon beau!
Beauregard> LOL. I'm doing laundry, too. Be right back.
Jack> Me too! brb! LOL!
Beauregard> Drew, what's up with you?
Drew> Hi Beau... I was talking to JJ earlier... I'm doing things around the house and don't have much opportunity to participate in the chat this afternoon... I'm logging the chat to read later though... How are you?
Beauregard> I'm fine. I took a 12-day trip with my wife, and it's good to be back home.
Drew> That sounds great! I need some time away from here too.
Beauregard> I couldn't seem to find time to do MMO practice while I was gone, though.
Drew> yes, that can be a challenge at times.
Beauregard> It was reassuring to discover that the echos had not significantly diminished during my time off.
Drew> I can get some good waves going just by using a low volume KS, yet there are times when I need to get louder...
Drew> that isn't always possible.
Drew> sometimes, a break can be GOOD for progress... the body uses the time to integrate new experiences.
Beauregard> Interesting thought.
Jack> Yeah Beau, that's a pretty big deal imho, that after such
Jack> a hiatus, you discovered that your
Jack> capacity for experiencing the Echoes hadn't diminished that much.
Jack> That's what I mean by this being a SKILL... That as you learn to OPEN in this
Jack> way, there is a significant tendency for those "energy gateways" or (whatever analogy of your choice) tend
Jack> to stay open. You DO become able to find your way back to the experience.
Jack> I think it's really great that you took 12 days off from practice so you could discover that for yourself!
Beauregard> Would you like to hear of my recent experiences?
Jack> Definitely!
Beauregard> Well, I remembered awhile back that when I was a teenager
Beauregard> I used to dress in my mother's bra and panties (alone, of course) and
Beauregard> stroke my body while looking in the mirror. It was very hot and sexy
Beauregard> and I could imagine myself as a woman at the time.
Beauregard> I eventually gave it up
Beauregard> but I can still remember what "being a woman" felt like
Beauregard> and I have attempted to recapture that feeling while doing the MMO practice.
Jack> How's that working for you?
Beauregard> Well, it is more difficult to capture the feeling nowadays, but
Beauregard> it does seem to induce some more intense echos.
Beauregard> I'll wait for comments.
Drew> I'll make a few comments while we wait for Jack.
Jack> No need to wait, but pls continue.
Drew> I have noticed a few things about myself since practicing MMO...
Drew> there are aspects to my beingness that are both 'male' and 'female'
Drew> I believe it's possible to experience both of those qualities in life.
Drew> it's all part of the 'openness' we talk about so often in these chats...
Drew> I've not had the experience of wearing clothes that are typically worn by women... It sounds like your wearing of those garments 'woke up' some feeling in you that are typically considered (by society) to be feminine.
Beauregard> One of my reasons for engaging in such fantasies is that non-ejaculatory
Beauregard> orgasms are usually thought of as being "female" orgasms,
Beauregard> so I thought I would further the concept.
Drew> I believe it is possible to evoke those feelings without wearing those garments (if that's your choice)...
Drew> Perhaps they are considered 'female' only because most males have not yet learned that particular SKILL (as many women haven't).
Beauregard> True. I am one of them.
Drew> That doesn't mean it's not possible though...
Drew> for ANY human being.
Beauregard> I didn't mean to imply that men couldn't learn the skill,
Beauregard> it's just that I thought that perhaps by getting into a mind-set
Beauregard> that IS usually identified as being associated with
Beauregard> long-lasting, multiple orgasms, it might help my forward progress;
Beauregard> a sort of self-hypnosis, if you will. (Now you're caught up, Drew.)
Drew> Thanks.
Jack> That sounds to me like a potentially productive strategy, Beau.
Beauregard> I'm glad you think it's a productive strategy.
Jack> I agree with Drew AND you that these feelings
Jack> (and experiences) have been traditionally
Jack> ascribed to the female gender and there can
Jack> be a lot of social sanctions, shame, guilt, etc. for "daring" to RECLAIM
Jack> access to those experiences for a male.
Jack> But I think as an adult you are entitled to explore all of the dimensions of your sexuality
Jack> as long as it is based on mutual consenting adults (when the activity may involve others),
Jack> and that it doesn't lapse into a long-term pattern of being the ONLY way one might be able
Jack> to enjoy access to these feelings... i.e. a compulsive pattern. I think you are definitely allowed
Jack> to play dress up and it's not up to me or the gov't to be a fashion consultant about it!
Beauregard> One further thing; when I make the Key Sound in the "female" state
Beauregard> it has the timbre (without trying) of a woman's voice.
Beauregard> Very interesting, no?
Jack> For sure! By timbre, do you mean
Jack> a higher pitch, or what?
Beauregard> A somewhat higher pitch, yes, but in addition a somewhat vulnerable quality.
Jack> Right on!
Beauregard> One that I don't usually have when I make the Key Sound from the "male" state.
Beauregard> LOL.
Jack> Why should women have the exclusive rights to vulnerability?
Drew> That's what this process is really all about.
Jack> One possible exploration you might want to check out, Beau
Jack> is that when you label these experiences, to consider using the Asian concepts of "yin" and "yang" instead
Jack> of "female" and "male".
Jack> We all embody aspects of both yin and yang to varying degrees.
Jack> I think it's really GREAT that you're giving yourself permission to explore those range of feelings for yourself.
Beauregard> I understand what you're getting at, Jack, but
Beauregard> I enjoy the male/female polarity more.
Jack> That's fine too, imho.
Beauregard> I have also been more conscious of my jaw-tightening.
Beauregard> Somewhat to my surprise, I find that I tighten my jaw much more
Beauregard> frequently throughout the day than I would have suspected.
Jack> Wow that's another REALLY BIG AWARENESS Beau! Way to grow!
Jack> Does that happen more when you're in male mode or female mode?
Beauregard> I think it is primarily in the mode when I am thinking about world events, male or female.
Jack> I hear THAT!
Beauregard> Anyway, I am attuned to the tightening now, and can quickly
Beauregard> relax my jaw and get on with the practice.
Jack> GREAT!
Jack> That's a BIG step, I think.
Beauregard> Yes, I agree. Otherwise, I seem to be able to relax satisfactorily.
Jack> It's also cool that you've recognized that the jaw tightening is associated with certain thought patterns,
Jack> e.g. thinking about world events, etc.
Beauregard> Hard not to, these days....
Jack> That's for sure! I think part of that is finding in ourselves what
Jack> we are willing to do on our personal scale about world events, and release ourselves
Jack> from the burden of "grinding away" about the aspects over which we may have little control. Like
Jack> what is one thing I can do as an individual to take one step towards a different way of being
Jack> in the world... a step away from the lousy stuff we see and hear about going on "out there." That may
Jack> be some form of volunteerism, or social activism, or... whatever seems appropriate as a way to move
Jack> out of the feeling of powerlessness that listening to the news (for example) may engender. To me,
Jack> I get a tight jaw when I think about the stuff that I personally may not have a big chance of changing,
Jack> but I can still write a letter to a candidate, or to the newspaper or... well... you get the idea, I think.
Beauregard> Yes, I agree.
Jack> Beau it seems like you're self-awareness has increased a great deal recently, what with
Jack> recalling those memories as a teenager, and giving yourself conscious permission to access/reclaim those
Jack> "female" feelings... as well as
Jack> that new awareness of noticing when you're tightening your jaw and then being able to effect a change in that moment.
Jack> I think that's a real Locus of Personal Power.
Beauregard> That's nice to hear.
Jack> A nexus, really... a turning point... a fulcrum. LOTS of metaphors come to mind about being
Jack> in that "Zone".
Jack> You also seem somehow calmer. More relaxed.
Beauregard> Yes, I think so.
Jack> Way to GROW!
Beauregard> I feel more a part of your community nowadays.
Jack> That's really great to hear, and WELCOME! It is, after all, OUR community.
Beauregard> I was nervous earlier, not knowing what to expect from the "regulars".
Jack> Completely understandable! I'm really glad you're feeling more comfortable now.
Jack> I also applaud your taking that personal risk of sharing your teenage experiences,
Jack> and also how you're integrating the benefits from that in your life today.
Beauregard> Well, if I can't share them on this forum, I can't share them anywhere.
Jack> I'm very glad you feel safe to do that here, Beau. That means a LOT to me.
Beauregard> I've pretty much said my piece, if Drew would like the Talking Stick.
Jack> I think Drew might just be
Jack> in "logging" mode, that is, away from the keepboard, but staying logged in for the transcript.
Beauregard> Ah ... I see.
Jack> I've got some resources I'd like to share re-exploring different forms of dressing, etc.
Jack> and I will do my best to get those up on
Jack> a page a little later this week. I'm in the midst of another time critical project right now,
Jack> but I plan to be finished with it in a day or so, and then I can get busy on that "Other Resources" area
Jack> of the website. You've lit a fire under me for getting going on that!
Beauregard> LOL.
Jack> Beau, it sounds to me like you are in a really good groove with your practice... Not pushing,
Jack> just really getting into EXPLORING and you're getting insights, new awarenesses, recalling old memories
Jack> and RECLAIMING some cool energy from those memories that you seem to be integrating into your life now,
Jack> and that you are continuing to have new, positive experiences as a result of your approach to practice,
Jack> INCLUDING the time off See, that's another one of those YIN things...that when you take time
Jack> OFF from "active practice" you continue to grow and progress as a result of that too. I think
Jack> that's a really good example of the power of the Yin.
Jack> As I often invite others, I invite you this week to take a little time to tune in to where
Jack> you are with all of this now, and then turn around and look back down the path
Jack> to where you were when you first arrived here, and see how far you've come.
Beauregard> I'll do that.
Jack> Good on ya!
Jack> Well, is it about time for us to put on our aprons and fold some cloth.
Beauregard> Yep. Glad you reminded me!
Beauregard> Have a good (remaining) weekend, and I'll talk to you again soon.
Jack> I look forward to it, and to your continuing posts in the Forum.
Jack> Really good session today Beau. THANK YOU for sharing so much of yourself.
Beauregard> You're welcome. Thanks for all the feedback.
Beauregard> OK. Bye now.
Jack> You're very welcome, Beau. Take care.
Jack> Talk with you again soon.
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