• From North Wales (British Isles): Don't miss Andi's great description near the end of the chat re: the positive effects this method has had on her husband, on their relationship, and on their relationship with their children!
• Relatively-newbies vesta, howard (New Zealand), and from North Wales, 'Bilko' ("I'm ten days in"), returned to join (Key Sound Multiple Orgasm veterans) Pan, Drew, and Jack.
• 'Mrs. Bilko' (aka 'Andi') checked in near the end to express her appreciation for this method and for these chats, and spoke eloquently about the benefits to her marriage and family.
• Bilko describes the continuously pleasurable new feelings he's experiencing as he begins awakening these multi-orgasmic energy pathways. He reports a plateau, however and Pan and Jack offer suggestions from their experience for allowing the stronger orgasms to occur.
• Jack gives the rationale for the increasingly important role the Key Sound plays as arousal increases and most people have a tendency to hold their breath, often high up in their chest. Key Sound on the exhale of that pent up breath is discussed.
• Pan confirmed the amazing details of full-body orgasm simply AT WILL once in the multi-orgasmic 'zone' that Jack defined and others have confirmed.
• Next, vesta reported details of early progress, but then a certain feeling of being stuck.
• Jack, Pan, and Drew helped identify the challenge of not knowing exactly what to expect, and Drew and Pan described as best they could what the male multiple orgasm experience is like for them.
• Vesta mentioned a program he watched the night before on network television that perpetuated the myth that women are by nature multi-orgasmic while men are not. Vesta expressed his frustration at the perpetuation of this destructive myth and got lots of support from the group!
• Returning then to both Pan and Drew's intuition that Vesta was getting hung up in overstimulation, they described why they thought this, and offered suggestions for getting past it to the full body multiple orgasms.
• This discussion also included thoughts about the appropriate times to introduce the use of the Aneros perineo-prosate stimulator as an option. (For details about the Aneros, click the Order Now or Order Seminar links to view catalog).
• Next the group addressed the potential emotional risks of trying to use this practice to push past emotional 'furballs' (i.e., unresolved emotional issues that may surface as one opens to profoundly greater erotic pleasure), and Jack made suggestions for getting professional assistance with the surfacing emotional issues before continuing the KSMO practice.
• Howard from New Zealand then reported he wasn't getting any Echo Effects. He did report that he was combining KSMO practice with another. Jack noted that this is a frequently observed pattern, to begin by combining KSMO with some other practice, but then not getting the expected results. Jack invited howard (and all others) to consider just practicing KSMO by itself until the multiples are experienced and THEN add in other modalities if desired.
• vesta acknowledged he hadn't heard the actual Key Sound yet (i.e. hadn't yet heard the audio seminar in which it's demo'd). Jack opined that the Key Sound is very specific and virtually essential to learning how to enjoy true multiple orgasm without ejaculation control. KSMO veteran Pan concurred in this.
• [To order the audio seminar in which Jack demonstrates the Key Sound that unlocks the multiple orgasms without ejaculation control... audio seminar ]
• Pan concludes by offering some experiences of KSMO with his partner, what he discovered about using a condom, as well as positions that for him seem to favor Key Sound Multiple Orgasms. DON'T MISS HIS GREAT DESCRIPTION!.
• Then bilko's wife joined in! When Jack asked her if she was already noticing any changes for the better 'Mrs. B' replied "You're not kidding, Jack!", and offered details.
• She also detailed how these powerfully transformative changes in their lives have had a very positive effect on their interactions with their children as well.
• Jack related this to the issue of domestic violence, AND IT TURNS OUT THAT 'MRS. BILKO' WORKS WITH A THEATER COMPANY THAT ADDRESSES DOMESTIC VIOLENCE!
• Mrs. Bilko's comments are not to be missed!
• Pan then shared a time when he was actually afraid to give a partner orgasms, and why, and how that attitude has changed since learning KSMO.

jack> Hey bilko! Welcome back!

bilko> Hya Jack!!

bilko> thanks

bilko> Hi Pan!

pan> Hiya Bilko!

bilko> good to be back.

pan> Glad ta have ya here : )

bilko>

jack> Bilko, you remember Pan? He's aka RobertB of the streaming audio Success Stories... has known how to do this for a while, using my system.

bilko> yes

bilko> I read a lot of the site.,

bilko> I feel like I know some of you.

pan> LOL, I know what you mean.

jack> ...[re: Pan] integrated with a LOT of very interesting learning and experience from related areas.

bilko> I'm 10 days in now.

jack> That's great bilko! That's what online community is all about IMHO.

jack> How's it going?

bilko> this site is a cut above tho..

bilko> I have

bilko> plenty to feel confident

bilko> about

bilko> though no nreakthrough.

bilko> I have sometimes

jack> Tell us, please.

bilko> a shift in consciousness.

bilko> like an orgasm beginning

bilko> but not building.

bilko> The feeling takes in my whole system.

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bilko> I am using VERY small stim.

jack> welcome back vesta!

bilko> I wonder if I am using enough?

pan> Hi again Vesta!

jack> bilko is describing what he's learning.

jack> Pan, care to comment on b's question?

bilko> Have low level good feelings now almost ALL the time.

pan> Certainly...

jack> tnx!

jack> bilko that's really VERY PROMISING re: the low-level good feelings ALL THE TIME... right ON!

* Disconnected

Session Close: Sat Mar 01 12:15:35 2003


Session Start: Sat Mar 01 12:24:25 2003

Session Ident: #Multiple_orgasm_how

bilko> I worked

bilko> b4 with Chia's books

bilko> & so I don't get near PONR.

jack> r.u. still practicing the PC squeeze while practicing KSMO?

bilko> no

bilko> it's a

bilko> trap.

bilko> Chi is stuck in tense muscle.

pan> It certainly is!

jack> I tend to think so too. IMHO...

jack> pls continue, you guys... sorry I was gone so long!

pan> No problem Jack, glad you came back!

bilko> The Chia work

jack> [getting new op sys next wk. Sure hope it helps!]

bilko> brought out many

bilko> of my furballs

bilko> I feel quite ready

bilko> I think!..

bilko> Heart more open.

jack> When you get an Echo Effect, that's a green light to add a little >more< stimulation... a little...

jack> and as long as you keep getting Echo Effects, it's a sign that you have the option to add a little more stim.

bilko> building to how much though?

jack> Pan?

pan> For me...

pan> I look for the sensation to be..

pan> more of an energy increase than an increase in excitement..

pan> as long as it feels more "chi" related, rather than physical, its safe to move forward.

bilko> so it's not about how much?

pan> Eventually, it becomes more orgasmic on its own.

pan> Not really, for me anyway. Its more about how relaxed and open I am as I progress.

bilko> I have been working clothed quite a bit.

pan> Then there is more room for the pleasure to spread around and THAt is what helps me have multiples.

jack> Notice also that as your arousal really starts getting up there, there can be an automatic tendency for

jack> you to hold your breath,

jack> and it may kinda get stuck in the upper chest... it >may<...

jack> in any event, that's where the use of the Key Sound to exhale that pent-up energy can be

jack> VERY potent, and yield surprising results.

bilko> I wanted

bilko> to ask about

bilko> the regular breaths,

bilko> Is it better to deep breathe?

pan> Jack, you want me to answer?

jack> Yes, please!

pan> Oops, sorry! Ok...

jack> n/p :-)

pan> well in when you start a practice, its enough to just keep in mind to...

pan> breathe in through the nose, out through the mouth, and keep it lower than your chest...

pan> it may help to focus a LITTLE bit, on longer and smother exhales...

pan> which will naturally allow your breathing to deepen a bit. BUT...

jack> [smoother]

pan> LOL, yes thanks Jack!...

jack> :-) Especially for the readers for whom

pan> its important NOT too focus too much on your breathing and just let it go...

jack> English is a second language... thot it might be good to insert the note. :-)

jack> [pls continue]

pan> it will get deeper as you progress in your session naturally. Mine often becomes very deep and smooth...

pan> by the end of a session when I'm feeling especially aroused/orgasmic.

jack> Pan, when you're in that state, does it ever feel like an orgasmic 'zone' of some kind?

pan> YES, absolutely! I often am in a state where even the inhales and exhales feel like long orgasms...

pan> even if I've stoppped stimulating!

jack> Yes! At will? With just a 'willed breath'?

pan> Yep! Sometimes it is even like a thought of wanting another orgasm is all it takes.

jack> That's my experience too! Hey bilko and vesta, you read that?

jack> :-)

bilko> Yes!!

jack> Won't be long now!

bilko> Ahh good!

jack> bilko, can we check in with vesta?

jack> then come back around?

bilko> Preorgasmic is spelt M.A.L.E.

bilko> yes no probs

jack> LOL

jack> tnx!

pan> : )

jack> OK, V, you got the Talkin' Stick... how's it going?

vesta33> i was doing fine

vesta33> until recently.

vesta33> i rotated the mattress and bothered me.

jack> Hmm. Could you tell us about the 'fine' first, if you would?

jack> What was going fine?

vesta33> yes i discovered an emotional forgotten furball.

jack> ah ok... Is this something that would better be addressed with the help of a properly trained counselor?

vesta33> no i think i can handle it w/o one.

vesta33> also i rotated

jack> k... I just hope you'll continue to check in with yourself on that and give yourself the other option if/when need be.

vesta33> the mattress .

jack> Better?

vesta33> yesnow

jack> Ah good! Can you tell us a little bit about what the 'fine' part has been like?

vesta33> yes,i was

vesta33> getting a little closer to multiples.

jack> How do you know? What was happening?

vesta33> my balls spasmes when they were shifting.

jack> Where were you feeling pleasure?

vesta33> on my bed.

jack> I mean in your body. :-)

pan> : )

jack> What areas of your body?

vesta33> groin

vesta33> area

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jack> Welcome Drew!

pan> Hi Drew!

bilko> Hi Drew!!

jack> vesta, when do you use the Key Sound?

Drew> Hi Jack! Hi all!

vesta33> big breaths.

vesta33> inhaling

jack> How do you know when to take the big breaths, or

jack> do you do them automatically? That is, when do the big breaths

jack> tend to occur?

vesta33> it happens auto

jack> when do they tend to happen automatically

vesta33> i seems.

jack> ?

jack> (I hear you re: seems)

vesta33> every 5 breaths or so.

jack> What makes them bigger?

vesta33> need for more air.

vesta33> 1?

jack> yes. pls go ahead.

vesta33> what do i need to reach the threashold for

vesta33> multiples/

jack> Are you keep your level of stimulation about the same, or increasing it, or ???

jack> [keep = keeping]

vesta33> increasing

jack> Drew, Pan, what do you think?

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pan> Sounds like he may be increasing a bit too fast?

jack> [welcome howard! We're talking with newbies: vesta and bilko]

pan> One thought...

pan> about "reaching the threashold" of multiples...

Drew> I concur with Pan on the stimulation...

pan> its best not too think of it in terms of "reaching," but more like using the Key Sound and Valley Breathing to...

pan> make way for multiples to happen. Kinda like...

pan> water irrigation in farming. You dig the way you want the water to go. With this...

howard> hi everyone , just listening in

jack> [Welcome Kiwi: Howard!]

pan> you're opening a new path for your orgasmic energy to express itself as mutliples...

pan> rather than ejacualtion.

jack> Also, Pan, and then maybe Drew, would you describe what these multiples are like for you? I somehow

jack> get an intuition that >maybe< some part of vesta is expecting this to be a set of dry contractions of the penis.

jack> vesta, is there anything like that? No big deal, but just checking.

pan> Drew you want to go first?

vesta33> yes maybe but

Drew> I can if you'd like.

pan> Sure : )

vesta33> i not sure what to expect

Drew> EXACTLY, Vesta!

jack> Thot so! OK Drew, I think that might be your cue! :-)

Drew> I was just recalling what it was like the very first time I experienced ejaculorgasm...

Drew> I had NO IDEA what the experience would feel like...

Drew> I'd heard about it

Drew> mostly 'low quality' information in the schoolyard, etc

Drew> so, while pleasuring myself... I just kept doing what felt good

Drew> not knowing where it would lead

Drew> learning to experience multiples is a similar journey...

Drew> with one MAJOR exception...

Drew> the need to UNLEARN the patterns learned over the years and years of going for ejaculorgasms...

Drew> if you are looking for similar sensations and effects...

Drew> that may take you off track...

Drew> and just lead down that familiar path...

Drew> KSMO for me is a totally different experience

Drew> it is not localized in the genital area

Drew> it's a WHOLE BODY experience...

vesta33> how would i know when i have a mult?

Drew> it feels like every cell in my body is charged with erotice energy...

Drew> (Oh... trust me, you'll KNOW!)

Drew> the key is to be 'open' to letting that energy FLOW

vesta33> last night

Drew> Yes?

vesta33> i watched the history channel about sex

Drew> (I have seen that show before)

vesta33> it said

vesta33> about women having

vesta33> the upper hand about

vesta33> multiple orgasms.

vesta33> it made me so mad i couldn't stand it.

Drew> (Those producers should 'come' in here! ) ;-)

jack> I hear ya!!! Why did it make you mad?

pan> If I may say something...

pan> the funny thing is...

pan> I've known some VERY orgasmic women in my time...

pan> BUT...

pan> since I've learned KSMO, I know that I'm more orgasmic than a lot of the women I know!

vesta33> because i haven't them yet aside

pan> So don't get mad at statements like that. Just have faith in yourself!

vesta33> from the one time in my sleep and that 1 is a ?

jack> Vesta, I share your

pan> First thing to do Vesta is relax and let it go. The more easy going you are about this, the faster you'll get there.

jack> strong feelings of frustration about the perpetuation of the myth that women are by nature

jack> multi-orgasmic while men by nature are not... FYI see the discussion

jack> in the Forum called 'Ejaculation Compulsion'... Meanwhile, re: doing something

jack> about that myth... that's why I ask people who are finding out about this to let others know that

jack> there's a website and info that proves that myth to be false.

jack> Getting back to your current sitch, both Pan and Drew mentioned they thot you might

jack> actually be OVER stimulating... And THANK YOU Drew for that description, and Pan I hope you'll give yours after we hear back from vesta re: the possible OVER stim.

vesta33> is there a sextoy

jack> And I'm curious from both of you Drew and Pan as to what triggered your thinking that over-stim might be an issue.

vesta33> that would help me get mult w/o

vesta33> ejac/

vesta33> ?

pan> RE: sex toys...

pan> well I have a couple that I'm rather fond of...

vesta33> that is not expensive?

pan> but I guarantee you that using KSMO, NOTHING will make you feel as good as your own hands or a loving partner.

jack> Also there's a risk that if you start using

jack> a sex toy before actually learning

Drew> I have found 'toys' to be a distraction for me.

jack> KSMO that the sex toy will contribute further to overstimulation that

jack> will lead to ejaculation, thus sidetracking the KSMO practice.

jack> Q.E.D. from Drew. :-)

jack> Drew and Pan, would you go ahead and engage vesta on your intuitions about possible overstimulation?

pan> Well...

pan> my over-all impression is that Vesta has a real desire to learn MMO, which is GREAT...

pan> BUT...

pan> I'm hearing a lot of questions about how can I have this RIGHT NOW???

pan> The trick to learning this IMHO, is to not worry about that...

pan> its like learning to float on your back in a pool...

pan> you have to relax and let go, in order not to sink!

howard> where does the aneros stimulator fit into this overstim possibilty

jack> It's possible to use it successfully, but that's up to the individual IMHO, cuz

jack> there definitely is a risk of overstimulation. Simple approach may be:

jack> if you use it and it leads to ejac b4 you want it to, then forgo it until you actually

jack> learn KSMO and then re-introduce it.

jack> vesta, I think the other possible issue for you is the emotional furball you mentioned. It is

jack> emotionally risky in my opinion to try to force yourself past this stuff to 'make' yourself 'get' the

jack> multiple orgasms. I think Drew may have a thot or two about that one. :-)

jack> Drew?

jack> (maybe stepped afk away-from-keybd)

pan> Jack, may I throw a couple more thoughts in while we wait for Drew to return?

jack> Please, yes.

pan> Thank you, OK...

Drew> (phone)

jack> [Pan's commenting]

pan> First Vesta, I wanna say thanks for expressing your frustration with us becasue there are SOOO many guys...

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pan> ou there who feel exaclty the same way as you do and you telling us about it...

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pan> will help them not feel so alone with those feelings.

pan> Also...

bilko> damn I was booted &

bilko> couldn't get back in.

pan> about five years ago...

pan> I was in a discussion with a couple of my female wiccan friends and we were talking about Tantra...

pan> and they said that yes, men can have multiples, but only because because women taught them how! ...

pan> I was profoundly insulted by that idea! ...

pan> It really upset me that they wouldn't consider that men know there own bodies well enough to learn that on their own...

pan> Jack's system is living proof that we are our own best teachers. He's brought back a lot of pride in being male for me.

pan> I just wanted to throw that into throw that into the mix.

jack> [Whew. Thanks Pan!]

jack> Drew, are you back?

pan> oops, pardon the type-o : )

jack> LOL

jack> Drew, you back at the keybd?

jack> Oh well. Onward... What other assistance can we offer vesta at this point?

jack> vesta,

jack> What kind of Echo Effects other than testicular movement

jack> are you experiencing, if any?

vesta33> muscle movement in my belly

jack> and re: the emotional furball... not necessarily asking for details, but just wanting to know,

jack> is this something that surfaced and moved on, or is it still with you in some way?

Drew> not yet.

jack> [my ? was to vesta]

vesta33> it is still w/me.

vesta33> it surfaced.

jack> OK... What I suggest is that you consider taking a break from KSMO practice and address the furball. With help if you need it.

jack> What say, Drew?

Drew> be with you in a minute.

jack> afk again I guess... :-) Anyway Vesta, will you consider my suggestion?

vesta33> yes

vesta33> 1 comment

jack> I think that is the best course of action. Yes pls go ahead.

howard> jackplease describe a furball

jack> [{hold on, howard... short version: unresolved emotional issue that comes up as the pleasure starts moving.]

jack> Go ahead pls vesta.

vesta33> when u asked if seeing the counselorif u i thought

vesta33> it was the best

Drew> (OK... back.)

jack> [ok Drew tnx. vesta is commenting]

Drew> OK.

jack> pls continue vesta

vesta33> course of action , i typed no ,but i meant yes ,but could handle it equally as well w/o one.

jack> Well if you don't have one, I suggest you consider it, if even just for a few sessions. If you're in the States,

jack> try www.aasect.org, they have a referral network. If you're outside U.S. send'em an email and they may still be able to help you.

vesta33> i thought

jack> aasect=American Assn of Sex Educators Counselors and Therapists

vesta33> the emotional furball was from weeks ago.

jack> Intuitively I just feel better about resolving the furballs as they come up, and then continuing the practice.

jack> vesta, even if it was years ago, if it came up and it's still with you, it's wanting some healing. That's my view any way. I've

jack> said before: "When the pleasure and love go in, the old wounds say 'Heal ME!'". It's a great opportunity!

jack> Drew, care to comment about relationship of practice / progress and resolution of emotional furballs?

jack> r.u. there, Drew?

Drew> I'd love to... howerever, I need to get going... :-(

jack> OK... hope everything is ok. Thanks for being here.

Drew> ( this is MY topic too! )

jack> Point is vesta, that Drew has had a lot of experience in working through furballs then resuming practice.

jack> OK... Can we offer howard (from New Zealand!) some air time if he wants it?

howard> furballs not an issue for me. i am using sexual hynotherapy as well

jack> Is the combination working for you?

howard> yes

jack> Great! What are you experiencing?

jack> Howard???????

howard> increasing sensitivity and enjoyment .no ejac but hav yet to have MOl

jack> Ah... hello.

jack> OK... Then you may explore setting aside the hypnotherapy in combo with KSMO and just

jack> practice the KSMO protocol for a while and see what you get. This may or may not apply to your situation, but

jack> I've noticed a tendency of some people to come to this practice bringing other modalities with them, which is

jack> understandable. And if that is working that's great. But if the results aren't happening, then it might

jack> be worthwhile to explore possible benefits of practicing the KSMO protocol by itself. What do you think?

jack> ?

jack> [connection with New Zealand may be iffy]

howard> am OK about continuing as at present but keep open to change

jack> your call, of course. If at some point you are still not getting what you expect, will you consider exploring KSMO by itself?

howard> yes

jack> And like I said b4, then re-introducing the other practices afterwards.

jack> What kind of Echo Effects, if any, are you experiencing?

howard> not sure

jack> Do you have any questions for us or want any assistance?

howard> not at the moment thanx

jack> Ok. Thanks. Anybody else care to offer anything or have additional questions b4 we wrap up for today?

bilko> Just thanx!!!

jack> Hey you're welcome, bilko!

jack> Bye howard!

pan> Well, I have a couple comments. But they're more Adept type stuff.

bilko> & take care

vesta33> are key

jack> Pan, your call if you want to put it on the record here. Yes, vesta?

vesta33> sounds meant

vesta33> to be vocalized

vesta33> when exhaled

vesta33> ?

jack> Yes, but not artificially loud. Just loud enough to exhale the AUTOMATICALLY (slightly) larger-than-average

jack> inbreath that AUTOMATICALLY happens as you sigh with pleasure in response to any erotic stimulation.

jack> It's essential to identify which inbreath is automatically larger,

jack> it's that AUTOMATIC aspect that we want to 'surf' on, using the Key Sound to exhale that breath. When

jack> we do this correctly, we start getting the Echo Effects... usually from very near the beginning.

jack> But... first things first. Don't push past furballs. :-)

jack> Can we give Pan the oppty to make his comments (if you feel they'd also be helpful to newbies, Pan)

vesta33> do u know how or if to find 'hot spots'

pan> Vesta's ? first?

pan> Vesta I found my hot spots slowly over a few weeks...

jack> Hot spots are whatEVER areas on you that feels erotic to the touch.

jack> That's very helpful comment from Pan, vesta!

jack> Is it helpful to you?

jack> Vesta, are Pan's comments helpful?

pan> Its the length of skin between your anus and your scrotum.

vesta33> yes.

pan> That a VERY sensitive area and has a lot of orgasmic potential once you get to know it.

jack> vesta do you know what the Key Sound sounds like?


jack> I demonstrate it in My first audio seminar, Male Multiple Orgasm Step by Step,
and in The Multiple Orgasm Trigger Key Sound Training Seminar for Both Men and Women.Have you heard me demo it?

vesta33> no

vesta33> .

jack> k. It's a specific sound, that at least for me was essential in learning this.

jack> Anybody have any other... oh yeah... Pan, you care to make those comments now, or?

pan> You may have been doing it right. But it would definately be a big boost for your practice to...

pan> listen to Jack's demo of the Key Sound and practice it without doing any stmulation...

pan> for awhile before your next MMO session. Learning to do the sound like he does it in the audio seminar is REALLY important to learning this, IMHO.

jack> Thanks Pan. OK... anybody have anything else before we wrap it for today?

jack> going once... :-)

pan> Well, I can just add a couple things real quick if that ok?

jack> Yes pls!

pan> Ok, these are RE: MMO with a partner...

pan> First, like most guys, I really don't like using condoms...

pan> but, I have to most of the time anyway and...

pan> one really cool thing is, since I've gotten better at MMO with my wife...

pan> the energy of MMO is so strong that I don't even notice the usual lakc of sensation that..

pan> is typical with a condom...

pan> sometimes it almost feels like it isn't even there, since I feel so sensitive to her energy.

pan> The other thing is just a really cool session we had last week...

pan> when we started out in missionary, I felt great and very close to her but...

pan> I wasn't really getting "there" with my MMO's...

pan> then we changed positions to me on bottom and...

pan> after a couple minutes I found myself really relax and let go a lot more and...

pan> I felt a very intense MMO that last lasted about ten minutes...

jack> [wow!]

pan> during that time I just relaxed and she controlled the movement and I felt like I was...

pan> "recieving" a lot of pleasure without having to "do" anything. It was like she was making me orgasm...

pan> over and over.

pan> Which is how I always imagined women feel like...

jack> I'll bet it was pretty pleasant for HER too, yes? :-)

pan> I believe so Jack!

jack> [pan: I agree re: imagining what orgasm feels like to women]

jack> Whew that's a really nice story, Pan!

pan> anyway, it was a feeling I always wanted to have, but didn't think I could. So I just wanted to share that for the record.

jack> I'm sure glad you did!

bilko> Beautifully said Pan.

jack> It sounds to me pretty much like what most men are looking for in an experience with a partner!

pan> Thanks Bilko. Yeah Jack, it really was wonderfully fulfilling.

bilko> My wife is here pAN..

jack> I'm really glad to hear that the Doors continue to open!

bilko> she is inspired to join us.

jack> Great!

jack> And welcome!

pan> oh cool, hello Mrs. Bilko!

bilko> hello guys - this chat is very inspiring to us.

bilko> (Mrs. Bilko)

pan> I'm glad, the old chats did the same thing for me and my wife.

jack> That's really great to hear, Mrs. B! I don't know if you've had a chance to yet, but I hope you'll

jack> listen to RobertB (that's Pan) and Amy (that's his wife) in the free streaming audio success stories on the website.

jack> As well as the others of course!

bilko> Think I should go away and meditate on my own personal handle though!

jack> Mrs. B, have you noticed any changes for the better since bilko has started this practice?

bilko> Just listened to Pan's story.

bilko> You're not kidding Jack!

jack> Like what, Mrs. B? For the record... it will mean a lot to others reading this... Thanks!

bilko> We're talking transformation with a capital T! My husband's practice is changing both our lives so profoundly.

bilko> He is opening up in so many ways, physically, emotionally and spiritually.

jack> All RIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!! >>THAT<< is what this is all about!!!

jack> That is SO wonderful to hear!

bilko> Yes, and not only is it effecting me but has a knock on effect with our kids. It's making us more compassionate parents.

pan> Thats so wonderful!

jack> Now that is a VERY meaningful observation! How is that happening? What is causing that, do you think?

bilko> It's making me realise that I really want to take some time for myself for cultivation to enhance my own sexuality and help develop my partners.

bilko> Re. parenting

* jack applauding re: taking some time for self and helping partner

bilko> On a basic level, when we're chilled out from the increased communication

bilko> and love making

bilko> we're more patient with our kids

bilko> Our hearts are more open and the pure unconditional love that our children offer

bilko> can be fully felt by us.

bilko> This is making me feel quite emotional just writing about this stuff!

jack> oooh I like the way you expressed that... That the unconditional love your children offer is more accessible to you. That really resonates!

jack> I hear you re: emotional. You've come to the right place! :-)

bilko> Thanks

bilko> .

jack> It is so powerful for you to tell your story and for others to benefit from it. Many many very nice ripples...

jack> Mrs. B.,

jack> When I first discovered this I got a very strong intuition

jack> that when men learned this, in our culture it might actually help reduce domestic violence, violence towards women and kids generally, and divorce, what do you think?

bilko> Couldn't agree more.

bilko> I work with a theatre company that

bilko> deals with issues such as domestic violence.

jack> Oh WOW!!!!!!!

bilko> Of course there are many issues

bilko> but blocked, unfulfilled sexuality seems to

bilko> be at the root of much of it.

bilko> I've seen how

bilko> the sexual energy manifests

bilko> into extreme violence if left to stew.

bilko> This doesn't have to by physical.

jack> Yes indeed. I agree completely! The sexual energy is very

bilko> As much damage

jack> powerful and it WILL find SOME way out, however distorted.

bilko> Squash it and it will pop up!

jack> Yep! One thing that occurred to me when I first discovered this was

jack> that I think MOST men in our culture at some level have tended to be enculturated with

jack> a frequently completely UNconscious resentment

jack> and even rage (in the extreme) towards women because of the myth that "(all) women get to have all of the orgasms they

jack> want, and men "can't" " So then it comes out in all of these other ways. When

jack> people first started learning this, and to this day I still get emails where guys say

jack> "Wow! I don't feel the same way about women any more! I feel more accepting. I don't feel JEALOUS any more!" etc.

bilko> That's so good to hear...

pan> Also, if I may add...

jack> please!

jack> (thanks Mrs. B for the so good to hear!)

pan> Its not just anger, but many guys, myself included...

pan> express this feeling as depression and lower self-esteem. ...

bilko> Yes..

pan> I was never angry at women, but I feel much happier and more connected to them now.

bilko> I always sensed a kind of wistfulness with my partner.

bilko> That in turn made me feel a little bit sad. That he couldn't fully share the experience.

jack> Mrs. B, may I ask what your thoughts were when you first started realizing that with this practice, bilko was on to something?

bilko> Thrilled to bits.

pan> LOL

jack> LOL!!! :-) Thank you ! :-) LOL

bilko> Knowing that he can..

bilko> soar the heights of pleasure means there are no limits to mine!

jack> :-)

bilko>

pan> Actually...

pan> there was a time when I would almost dread giving my partner orgasms...

pan> becasue of the sadness that I would feel in that moment...

pan> now I'm thrilled at those times becasue I can share it with her and even feel what she's feeling!

bilko> Fantastic.

bilko> The increased communication is like a feedback loop.

pan> Absolutely.

bilko> Bilko & I are gaining a lot of support from these chats.

* bilko is now known as Andi

jack> I am so glad to hear that, Mrs. B. That is why we are here.

pan> Its always nice to have another couple in the group too : )

jack> Welcome 'Andi'! :-)

Andi> Cheers.

jack> BTW, where are you and bilko located, generally?

Andi> We're in N. Wales.

jack> Good on ya! This'll warm up them Welsh winters, yes?

jack> :-)

jack> Steam heat! :-)

Andi> Just a bit!

jack> LOL

jack> May I ask your age ranges?

Andi> I'm 39 and Bilko is 40...

jack> And how many children?

Andi> 2 - our eldest is nearly 5 and our other is 15 months.

jack> Wow that's great! Congratulations, you two!

jack> Andi, I'm thinking... what might be done in that theater group

Andi> Just have to add that Bilko did a little acting job,

Andi> for me this week and I passed him off as a young looking 34!

pan> LOL, thats great!

jack> I hope his KSMO may have had a mite to do wi'it!

Andi> Can't have hurt!

jack> :-)

pan> Actually I'm 29 and people occasionally mistake me for 18.

jack> :-) That's great!

Andi> The best cosmetic...

jack> Andi, I'm thinking about

jack> this theater group you are in... wondering how the company

jack> might portray the transformation a guy can go through with this

jack> and how it can affect his family and even women and children not in his immediate family. What thots might you have?

Andi> Gosh...I'd have to give this some serious thought..

Andi> It would be great to do but wonder whether it's possible in this country.

jack> Well the story is in the effects, the actual practice could be alluded to, but I think it's an

jack> important msg to get into the world... that there IS hope for men this way, and therefore for women, children and families too.

jack> Just thot I'd mention it. :-)

Andi> Yes, maybe we can chat this through more thoroughly at a later date.

jack> Yes definitely. And I look forward to your meeting some of the other women in this online community, as well!

jack> Are you in N.Wales /U.K. or NSW?

Andi> UK

jack> got it. Thanks. Gettin' a wee bit late there, yes?

Andi> Hadn't really noticed the time. It's 11pm which is fine.

pan> Amy's ready for me to get goin, thats for sure : )

jack> OK... Well Andi and Bilko, I sure hope BOTH of you will continue to check in with us here

jack> as your journey continues, and help us spread the word to others that this is possible. Thanks so much

jack> for being here! And thanks Pan, to Amy, for her patience today. I'm sure she'll enjoy reading the transcript.

Andi> Many thanks Jack and everybody.

jack> bilko and Andi (and readers and all), if you haven't listened to the streaming audio success

pan> My pleasure as always Jack. I'm sure she will : )

jack> stories, I hope you will. I have others I'll be posting soon as well.

* Andi is now known as Bilko

jack> Thanks to all who have been here today...

Bilko> Night All.

Bilko> Thanks for EVERYTHING!!

jack> Those Welsh were always well-known as ShapeShifters! :-)

jack> You're very very very welcome Bilko!

jack> It's great to have you part of our family!

Bilko>

pan> Take care all, best wishes and good practice!

Bilko> LMAO

jack> And to you!

Bilko> Sweet - love to you..

jack> copy lmao bilko!

Bilko> All.

jack> And to you brother!

jack> And to yours!

Bilko> Laugh my ass off.

jack> Yep, me too, mate!

jack> :-)

Bilko> To next time

jack> Joy is great, isn't it?

jack> Yes indeed bilko, til then...

Bilko> I love Andi xxxxxxxxx

jack> Thanks again to you and Andi for being here!

pan> Awww : )

jack> Bye til next time, Andi!

Bilko> xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.

pan> Bye guys!

jack> bye all!
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