• Jack was joined by newbie Jesse, who is also new to chat systems other than aol and bbs. See jesse's post in the First Time conference on the jesse.
• He also compliments Jack on the audio tape: Male Multiple Orgasm Step-by-Step™ , saying the sound samples were particularly helpful.
• They then go on to compare notes about the Key Sound and how the second part of it seems to move energy DOWNWARD from the chest to the pelvic area.
• Jack compliments Jesse on the image he coined in the bulletin board post of "The Singing Penis".
• Next Jesse offers some valuable suggestions re: learning how to loosen up one's pelvic area. Jack notes that as the Male Multiple Orgasm energetic "Gates" open, rocking the pelvis ALONE may stimulate non-ejaculatory multi-orgasmic waves.
• They also discuss the sensation of feeling very erotically energized for a day or more after the Male Multiple Orgasm experience, positive effects on self-esteem, frequency and duration of practice, and use of the mirror technique and importance of keeping the legs bent.

Jesse> "anyone here?"

Jack> "Yes! Jack is here!

Jesse> "wow this is my first time on this.. very foreign"

Jack> "Have you ever used "chat" before?"

Jesse> "no... not on irc...just aol and a bbs"

Jack> "Ah ok... is that your great post on the bulletin board?"

Jesse> "the delay time is very slow ... is there a way to adjust it so that is sends more quickly?"

Jesse> "yes.. i put the post on as a first timer."

Jack> "There might be, I'm new at this software myself, how long does it take for you to see your post after you hit enter?"

Jesse> "lets check... im typing a sentence...here goes."

Jesse> "i count thirteen secs... is that normal?"

Jack> "It takes me about 5 seconds to see my reply, using InternetMCI as my ISP. Are you using aol?"

Jack> "13 seconds IS slow!"

Jesse> "yeah... oh i bet thats it...it has to go thru aol as a proxy"

Jesse> "ok.... that does it! time to get another isp... whats $?"

Jack> "Yep, that's the bottleneck. I'm pretty happy with Internet MCI and they "are" the backbone, or close to it. $29.95 a month. I have a proxy acct."

Jesse> "what is a proxy acct?"

Jack> "In spite of that awful delay, can you stand to chat for a little while?"

Jack> "Proxy acct means I don't use any of their software, just use Netscape 3.01 for browser, and Eudora for email"

Jesse> "yeah. sure... btw, i think your tape is great"

Jack> "Thanks! What parts of the tape are especially helpful?"

Jesse> "copy that about proxy."

Jack> "By the way, for longer replies, you can use the compose window. Just click on the Compose button on the black menu bar."

Jesse> "for one thing, i needed to hear you make te sound. "

Jack> "copy re: sound. I'm going to get a new sample .wav file up on the web this coming week. I finally figured out my new sound board."

Jesse> "Great!... I couldnt imagine how to pronounce the sound as it was written in the archives!"

Jack> "Once you heard the sound, did it seem close to the way I spelled it in the archives?"

Jesse> "but of course, once hearing it, it was pretty natural... i have some observations.."

Jack> "Please... go ahead!"

Jesse> "yeah... but it might be nice to say that it rhymes with something... it is the most natural sound, just an open mouth.... it is the same as the involuntary sound you make when someone goes to tickle you, or you are very sensitive.. isnt it?"

Jack> "hmm... not for me... the Key Sound™has two parts, the second part has a "downward push" to it"

Jack> "that seems to push the energy built up in my chest down into my lower body, into and below my genitals."

Jesse> "like a slug in the stomach.. im talking about that second part.. it goes down for me too"

Jack> "for me it's a lot GENTLER than a slug in the stomach! "

Jack> "copy re: your sense of the energy moving DOWN."

Jesse> "like i said, it kinda feels like the the sound is vibrating out down below the penis... but it feels almost sort or involuntary "

Jack> "Yeah I really loved that image you created of the "Singing Penis"! That's beautiful! "

Jack> "Can you say more about what aspects and sensations feel INvoluntary?"

Jesse> "sorry jack learning to send... just erased the message... be patient"

Jack> "Take your time! After all, that's the message of learning Male Multiple Orgasm as well!"

Jack> "Have you tried using the Compose window yet? If you want to, just click on that Compose button, upper left corner of the black menu bar."

Jesse> "I have been doing kegel exercises daily... and yoga stretches... i realize that my pelvis has been very inflexible... im using the compose box... but everytime YOU type something my cursor freezes for 15 secs"

Jack> "Wow! I'll be quiet! Just say "over" or ovr when you're finished typing. I'll be glad when you get a faster link! Copy re: inflexible. The yoga and kegel sounds like a VERY good idea."

Jesse> "I notice that after i do this work im turned on for the next day... the energy stays..."

Jesse> "this is really difficult... anyway... I find that i can practically feel myself shooting energy out of my penis for quite some time afterwards.."

Jesse> "it seems really important to me to keep working on flexing my pelvis and letting it tilt easier.. i realize that it has been closed off from allowing the energy through . over."

Jack> "RE: energy staying for the next day, that's a common characteristic of MMO. For a few people, it can actually be perceived as a problem. For example a few chats ago Ed got so turned on using these techniques that he had to take a break for a while!

Joseph Kramer, a sex educator, also comments on this feeling turned on "continuously" and describes people who cultivate that state as "ecstatics". I think there nevertheless can be a certain challenge in balancing between an ecstatic lifestyle, and feeling like one is actually addicted. I believe that depends primarily on one's individual personality, and unresolved issues around sexuality.

Wow that's a powerful description about the energy shooting out of the penis. I believe you referred to that as "electric ejaculation" in the post, didn't you?

Is the experience of the continuing energy the day after generally a pleasant one for you?

I think your point about flexibility is a very valuable tip for our readers. There are yoga and tantric exercises that cultivate that motion. In fact, now that you have these Male Multiple Orgasm "Gates" open, you may find that you can access very powerful pleasure states JUST by rocking your pelvis!

ovr"

Jack> "and a sense of being addicted, or out of control. I think that largely depends on past unresolved issues around sexuality, as well perhaps as physical limitations."

Jack> "Wow I really think that's powerful the way you describe the sensation of energy flowing out your penis the day after, what you describe in your bbs post as "electric ejaculation"."

Jack> "Would you say that generally the experience of being energized the following day is a pleasant one for you?"

Jack> "I think it's a very important and valuable tip"

Jack> "for our readers re: a FLEXIBLE pelvis. There are yoga and tantric exercises which cultivate this. In fact,"

Jack> "now that you have the Male Multiple Orgasm energetic "Gates" opening, you may find that you can access very powerful pleasure waves JUST by rocking your pelvis, perhaps adding just a little erotic massage. ovr"

Jesse> "yeah..i read that what Ed wrote.. I think doing the kegels has strengthend my feeling in my penis tremendously... its almost like stimulating myself manually... I do it while im on the treadmill at the gym!.... and the breathing as well... it works very well... The sexually energized feeling is VERY good for me, because i've felt such a noticable lack of it in my life the last year or two!... How often do you practice and how long, Jack?"

Jesse> "i can imagine what you are saying that one can get to the point where you only need to do something small to get the energy flowing again... i do notice that already... but i was "off" too long this last time... it took awhile to get it back today... This time i won't let it fade so far. over"

Jack> "Copy also re: the great suggestion of practicing kegels and the breathing during your gym workout. I find myself energizing in that way during my workout as well.

RE: practice, probably 2 or 3 times a week for an hour or more. Sometimes with my partner, sometimes solo. Right now, due to my studies, I'm living a long way from my partner, so I'm only with her about every 4 weeks or so, for about a week at a time. But we've been sharing this for a little over three years now, and it's a very powerful process of exchange, whether or not we actually have intercourse.

During the solo times, it's about 2 or 3 times a week for an hour plus... ovr"

Jack> "i.e. very powerful process, whether or not we actually have intercourse.

During the solo times, I usually enjoy this 2 or 3 times a week for an hour plus. ovr"

Jesse> "Yeah, i can see the value in staying with it for an hour or so... stuff starts to happen after some time... btw, want to share that i have found some benefit using a blindfold... the thing the airline gives you to help you sleep... seemed to help me let go and go inside. ovr"

Jack> "If you're already able to experience those "big" effects from "small" stimulation, I'd say you're well along the path of the Thousand Fold Pleasures, my friend!"

Jack> "Oh yeah! That's another EXCELLENT suggestion about the blindfold. The Body Electric School uses that in their workshops. I can't believe I've never mentioned it. Thanks very much for that one!!!

RE: Time, yeah it DOES take some time to tune in, really let yourself relax. So many"

Jack> "of us men are conditioned to the hurry up mode, and this gift comes to us through a practice that is just the opposite of that.

I really appreciate how articulate and creative you are with this!

BTW what part of the world are you located in (generally)?"

Jack> "ovr"

Jesse> "I had a couple of pretty turned-on days there! I felt like a teen again (oh, god forbid!).. but nice to have that hormone rush again... or whatever it is... jeez, im going to have to work some more at it. It does a lot for my self esteem to feel turned on... Im in so. cal, Jack. ovr"

Jack> "Although I sometimes practice with my eyes closed, I also really enjoy watching my stomach ripple as the involuntary waves take over... I find that it increases my enjoyment and the intensity of the pleasure and connectedness. I also enjoy candles and incense to add the sacred."

Jack> "I hear you about the self esteem. A lot of guys are reporting that as well as the feelings of being energized for days afterwards. I think it's a clue of how we were "meant" to exist, and how so much in our culture can stress us out of it. Nevertheless, we have control of our lives, so it's nice to be bringing back in the sacred pleasure, isn't it?"

Jack> "Were there any other suggestions which helped you access this new pleasure in this way? ovr"

Jesse> "yes, it is! I tried a vertical mirror today for the first time and sat on the edge of my bed. That was something that you had suggested...also a pillow under my legs when lying down to remind me not to tighen my legs... Im listening to what you have said about paitience with the underside area between the anus and penis... still dont get much pleasure there... but you said to hang in there, so... ovr"

Jack> "Copy... thanks. Yeah patience re: the finding the "hot spots" is very important. Once you're experiencing the Singing Penis, you might then explore that area with a little firmer massage. Also right at the base of the shaft in that spongy area (called the "corpus spongiousum penis")."

Jack> "Btw, did you see my reply to your post on the bbs? ovr"

Jesse> "Yeah, I sure did! it meant a lot to me actually.. i was very excited by what i had discovered, and unlike when i was twelve, i had someone to tell about it... i realize that now in saying it.. i kept checking back like a little kid... you are a great and encouraging prof, Jack! over"

Jack> "Thanks Jesse! It means a lot to ME to get that kind of feedback. I really hear you about "having someone to tell" about this. I think that one element alone is VERY powerful healing for all of us!

I'm sorry to say that I'm runnin out of gas a bit at this point. Do you think you'll be able to make a chat next week? I usually open the channel at 6.

Also, please know that altho as of this moment noone else has responded directly to your post, that WILL happen with time. There are quite a few people reading the posts... just still a little shy. We even have readers in Hungary, El Salvador, and Argentina! ovr"

Jack> "people reading the posts... just still a little shy. We even have readers in Hungary, El Salvador, and Argentina! ovr"

Jesse> "copy all of the above, jack.. and thanks... btw... am anxious to read the last chat...two wks ago.. when will it be posted? also: why does your name have a bubble and bell by it? how do I get those?..lol... I have my sound on but am not hearing anything... ovr"

Jack> "I'll post both last week's chat and this one some time tomorrow. Are you receiving my chat announcements by email?

I talk about the bubble and the bell in last week's chat. You don't see it on your own name, only on the other chat-ters. Click on the bubble to WHISPER to an individual (like passing a note for one or selected individuals only). The bell is to page someone who is in another chat room on the same board. At this point we only have the one chat room active so that's not very useful... yet.

I really want to extend a warm welcome to you into our global community of pioneers! Your comments and suggestions and awareness are terrific!

Can you make it next week? If so, about what time is good for you?"

Jack> "...yet.

I really want to thank you for your valuable comments, observations and suggestions, and to welcome you again to our global community of pioneers!

Can you make it for chat next week? If so, about what time is good for you?

ovr"

Jesse> "I believe i can make it... six is a bit early, but think it is probably best that you stay consistant with your time... i can always chime in later, and hopefully i will have another ISP!!!!.. This has been great and I appreciate your being there... I am a big yakker on the internet, and have already emailed your web page to a number of people! ok jack take care and will try to catch you next wk.. and yes, you are contacting me by email and that is perfect!"

Jack> "Yes, I do want to keep a consistent time. It's easier on our friends out east, such as Drew from Michigan, and even for Benedict who's in Utah. Yeah, I hope you get that new ISP! You are"

Jack> "very welcome re: my being here. It's a labor of love, so your comments and your presence are a great reward. Thanks very much also for spreading our URL around the Net. I think this is pretty valuable information for men AND their partners, don't you? Yes, drop in next week whenever the time is convenient for you. We sometimes bail by 7:30 but if you can make it by then, we'll stick around. Have a wonderful, pleasurable week!"

Jack> "Cyberhugs, brotherman!

Jesse> "and hugs to you and some hot orgasms!!"

Jack> "Copy on that!!!"

Jack> "Bye til next time!"

Jack> "over and outta here!"