The group celebrated a NEW RECORD!!!
Longest ever Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Chat!!! 3 hrs 10 minutes... and VERY rich!!! Whew!

• Ed checks back in to report that he needs to be very careful about WHEN he practices Male Multiple Orgasm, since it is very energizing, and he has trouble sleeping if he practices late at night. Now THAT is a "higher level gripe" (in Abe Maslow's vernacular).
• Yonette returns and asks Ed what his EMOTIONAL responses to Male Multiple Orgasm have been.
• Fred and Drew also check in...Ed goes on to say that the lack of sleep causes exhaustion the following day. That after Male Multiple Orgasm, he is so energized that even ejaculorgasm doesn't really sedate him.
• Jack invites him to consider enjoying Male Multiple Orgasm at a different time of day.
• In response to Jack's observation that the experience of being energized is in high contrast to the experience many men seem to have after ejaculorgasm -- of exhaustion and perhaps a sense of depletion. Yonette asks if this seems to be true for all men.
• Jack comments that apparently not. Some report feeling energized.
• Ed notes that altho he feels relaxed while in bed, his body continues to rush on to further orgasms. He comments that the effect may be exacerbated by his use of "Ensure" and coffee.
• Jack invites him to see what would happen without the coffee. Ed agrees that that would be a good idea, as well as forgoing Ensure, which is also high in calories.
• Larry joined the chat and Yonette asked him about his Male Multiple Orgasm experience. He said it usually depended on the interaction with his partner.
• Newbie Steve also joined the group this evening and said he is very excited about the Male Multiple Orgasm experience and the dialog the chat offers.
• Larry offered that what has worked best for him, rather than using the Key Sound, is visualizing the energy flow, and letting it flow until orgasm is reached. He did go on to note however, that he has also had some good experiences with combining the Key Sound and Visualization.
• Larry mentioned that most of his experiences have been with a partner. Jack mentioned that although he's had some fabulous experiences with a partner, he has also had some VERY transformative, ecstatic experiences in solo, as have others, most recently Ed, who posted a wonderful description in chat 0050
  
• Steve then described what HIS first experiences with practicing from the Male Multiple Orgasm Step by Step Audio Seminar™ have been.
• He described practicing the Key Sound while on his commute! (Key Sound ONLY, folks!) He's been concentrating on making the sound as resonant as possible. On his second day of practice, new feelings started to awaken! He reported pleasurable tingling sensations starting behind his ear, and spreading up and down his body.
• In response to Steve's request for feedback, Drew shared that he too experiences the tingling sensation and noted that it's a manifestation of the Echo Effect which we've discussed so often in the chats. He then went on to detail additional sensations which let him know he's "on track".
• He also emphasized the importance of reviewing the information.
• Jack clarified the importance of the "Echo Effect" as the core sensations which lead to non-ejaculatory multiple orgasm.
• He invited Steve to use the Find function from the Edit menu of his Browser to search the Annotated Chat Archive Index by keyword "Echo Effect" and "Echo Response" for more info, as well as logging in to the live forum , clicking SEARCH on the blue menu bar, and searching on the keyword echo.
• Mike from Southern California rejoined the group and shared his experiences with this kind of energy as well. Mike eloquently expressed much gratitude at the warmth and support of our global community of pioneers in this chat! :-)
• He then spoke about how he has taken this energy into the rest of his life, including his personal psychotherapy, meditation, creativity, and an enhanced sense of humor about it all!
• Steve really resonated to Mike's metaphysical outlook, and reported how he's noticed a brighter bounce to his step all through the day.
• The whole gang expressed a LOT of warmth, gratitude and mutual support.
• Steve mentioned that when he tried to practice the very strong Key Sound, he lost the pleasurable sensations.
• Jack reminded him to only use the Key Sound to express the energy one is already feeling, NOT to use it to try to MAKE something happen.
• He then also asked an EXCELLENT question about how to deal with the Key Sound practice when there are house guests present.
• Jack emphasized how powerful this energy is, and the group discussed issues of boundaries and consent.
• The group discussed the differences in experience between practicing the Key Sound at a whisper, versus being able to fully express the Key Sound.
• Jack mentioned that he has a feeling of more complete connection with "all that is" when he is able to express the sound fully.
• Mike related this to the toning (e.g. AUM) of Eastern Tradition. Jack replied that he experiences the Key Sound as a Tantric Mantra.
• Steve then asked a question about the "lower hot spots" re: how much pressure, etc. Jack shared details of locating them.

jack> good evening ed! You're the first in the door this evening!

ed> hi jack i need to get afoot in ,at least!

jack> You bet, how's life?

ed> Great,but i am finding that i have to be very careful with mmo,because it is extremely POWERFUL

jack> VERY true! How did you arrive at that conclusion?

jack> Good Evening, and welcome, Yonette! Ed's just beginning

jack> to speak about how he feels a

jack> need to be "careful" since he has learned that Male Multiple Orgasm is so POWERFUL.

ed> if i practice in late evening,i have great difficulty getting much sleep at night,if any

Yonette> High there - I'm really curiour to know how ed is doing, and particularly, feeling emotionally since he began doing MMO

ed> hi,Y--welcome

jack> Ed, that's a very good point... re: WHEN to enjoy MMO. Feeling ENERGIZED rather than exhausted

jack> and depleted is nevertheless a "higher level gripe" (in Abe Maslow's vernacular), wouldn't you say? :-)

Fred> Hello, all!

ed> a contributing factor is certainly coffee and 2 cans of ENSURE each day

jack> Good evening Fred, and welcome! Ed is talking about

jack> needing to be mindful of WHEN he enjoys MMO, since it tends to

jack> energize him. If he practices late in the evening, he has trouble getting to sleep! Also,

jack> Yonette has asked him what his emotional responses to experiencing Male Multiple Orgasm have been.

jack> Hi Drew. C'mon in!

Fred> Hello, Drew!

ed> the high level of energy flow courses throughout my body,particularly the lower regions

Drew> Hi Guys! Watcha talkin' bout?

jack> Ed's talking about needing to be mindful of WHEN he enjoys Male Multiple Orgasm since it energizes him. So late nite practice means trouble sleeping. I observed that this is

jack> nevertheless a "higher level gripe" :-) in contrast to feeling (as many do) exhausted

ed> hello fred and drew,welcome

jack> and depleted after ejaculorgasm...

Fred> Hi, Ed.

Drew> Oh, I know that problem, it seems less of problem these days though, ovr.

jack> Ed, when you get a chance would you also pls respond to Yonette's question?

Yonette> I have a ?, please: does EVERY man feel exhausted or depleted upon ejaculation?

ed> i am exhausted the entire next day!

jack> Because of lack of sleep ed? or?

jack> Y, it's my understanding that the answer to your last ? is "no". It's frequent, but a number

ed> and this has been without ejaculation--exhaustion from lack of sleep

jack> of men feel energized after ejaculorgasm as well. Copy on the lack of sleep, ed.

Drew> I wouldn't say that "EVERY" man is exhausted by ejaculation. In my own experience, it oftentimes relaxes me to the point where I desire a nap/sleep..... remember that for somem en there may be a 'secondary gain' in rolling over and going to sleep, ovr.

ed> i have resorted to ejaculation , to hopefully get some sleep,but it doesn't help!

jack> Copy, Drew, thanks. Ed sounds like maybe you should consider enjoying Male Multiple Orgasm at a different time of day!

Yonette> Is it relaxed? or the body's immediate rush to restore itself, or both?

ed> again , it may be encouraged by the ENSURE and coffee

jack> Yeah, it might be interesting to see what would happen withOUT the coffee. What do you think?

Drew> I don't know the answer to that one Yonette, ovr.

ed> the body is relaxed,but is constantly rushing on to further orgasms--which i cannot stop while in bed

Yonette> I have asked this question because sometimes men tell me they do not feel depleted or exhausted after ejaculation, tho they may say relaxed, but could this possibly be lack of awareness regarding the body?

ed> yes,jack, i'm trying this today and will continue

jack> trying what, ed? No coffee, or practice during the day, or both?

ed> no coffee and no ENSURE(HIGH in calories)

jack> copy ed! thanks.

jack> Y, pls understand I was not trying to suggest that "all" men feel a particular way

Drew> For me, being exhausted does not come (A-HA) from ejaculation, it's dependent on many factors..... also it's possible for me experience different kinds of tiredness..... relaxed

jack> after "e-gasms", but just that the "exhaustion/depletion" is an experience that is not uncommon. I think it depends on a number of factors, including health, connection with the experience, etc.

Drew> or stressed out, the former being most preferable, ovr.

ed> Y ,immediately relaxed for a period of time,but somewhat tired the next day

ed> don't believe exhausted is the right word

ed> Y,do you become exhausted?

Yonette> No, ed, I get energized and high

ed> does it interfere with sleep?

Yonette> No, in fact it can be helpful - at night sleep comes (ha) easily, I feel the energy more during the day - so of course, that's my favorite time.

Drew> Ed, I believe over time your body will adapt to this higher level of energy, and insomnia will no longer be a problem, ovr.

jack> Has that been your experience, Drew?

Drew> Pretty much, I still have trouble getting to sleep sometimes, but I don't believe this is due to MMO, ovr.

jack> Y, do you feel you've received answers to your question about this?

Yonette> Jack, thanx for asking. I get that some men for whatever reason(s) do not feel depleted after ejacs.

ed> believe that if i practiced Male Multiple Orgasm in the morning,the exhilerating effects would last throughout the day and into the early evening and should lead to very sound and restful sleep.

jack> That sounds like worth checking out, Ed!

jack> I hope you'll let us know how it goes.

jack> I want to thank you again for that wonderfully lucid description you typed into last time's chat session. I want to extract

jack> it from the transcript and make it a separate article in the web site library.

jack> Would you be willing, ed (and ALL!) comment

Fred> I found it very interesting.ovr

ed> Y, have you gotten to the point with Male Multiple Orgasm that you have difficulty controlling orgasms?

jack> on Y's question about the EMOTIONAL effects of enjoying the multi-orgasmic experience?

jack> Fred, what are your thoughts about it?

Fred> If you are referring to Ed's saying

Yonette> I've found that the men that do not feel depleted after ejacs have little interest in Male Multiple Orgasm (i.e. often younger men, but not always)

Fred> something about how he "felt" an insight

Fred> into the female sex. Is that what

Fred> you mean, Jack? ovr

jack> I was wondering what specifically you found interesting, Fred, and your thoughts on the matter. :-)

Fred> The above. ovr

Larry> Hello everybody :-)

Fred> Hello, Larry! ovr

jack> Hi Larry, welcome!

Yonette> High Larry

ed> OK by me jack,as long as it is strictly anonymous.

Fred> I have to leave now, but I'll be back.ovr

jack> Just "ed", zat ok? I never publish anyone's full name.

Larry> I see six names listed and very little activity. Hi Yonette. What a lovely name where did you get it :-)

jack> Ok Fred, hope to see you soon.

Drew> Hi Larry! Welcome, ovr.

jack> Larry, actually we've been talking for an hour!

ed> OK,jack

ed> hi,larry

jack> Thanks ed!

Yonette> Larry: What's your experience with MMO?

Larry> My experiences with Male Multiple Orgasm have been varied, the results are partially dependant upon the cooperation of my partner, in that the creation of an Male Multiple Orgasm is a shared activity. Wouldn't you agree, Yonette?

jack> Hi GNG, welcome!

GNG> Hi jack.

jack> Yonette was just asking Larry

jack> about his experience with non-ejaculatory multiple orgasm.

GNG> I hurried home from my church organ job hoping I wouldn't be too late. Still going?

GNG> ok. Thanks for the update.

jack> yep!

GNG> Go ahead.

jack> Y, do you care to respond to Larry's ?

Fred> I'm back.ovr

ed> Y, what is your present level with mmo?

jack> Hi Fred, thanks for makin' it back.

GNG> ok if I change my nickname to Steve (my real first name)?

jack> You bet!

GNG> Thanks.

Steve> Much better.

jack> Welcome Steve!

jack> Y, I believe you have the Talking Stick

Larry> Jack, I would like to talk about technique. In your tape, you seem to feel very strongly about the "valley sounds" being a vehicle to reach an MMO. For me, the technique that works best is one of visualizing the energy flow, separating the emotional component from the physical component, and letting the emotional energy flow until an Male Multiple Orgasm is reached. Has anyone else had similar experiences?

ed> hello,steve

Yonette> I'll hand it over to Larry there, Jack.

Steve> I hope I'm not interrupting, but I'd just like to say real quick that I bought your audio tape over the weekend and am REALLY interested and excited to learn more about this. And I've already been practicing.

Steve> Hi ed.

Steve> Did you get my email yet, Jack?

jack> That's great Steve. I'd like to hear more from you after we respond to Larry.

Steve> ok. :-)

jack> Haven't checked email tonite yet. (shutting mine too!)

Larry> Maybe my experiences are different from others, in that I am a very visual person and have years of experience with visualizing my energy flows. And I'm sorry for interrupting. I was not aware of a "talking Stick" .. nice metaphor :-)

jack> Thanks for your courtesy Larry. In fact, I believe YOU have the Talking Stick at this point :-) Although I'd like to hear people's thoughts on what Larry has offered.

Larry> For me, it is the end result that is important. The technique is simple the vehicle by which to get there.

ed> Folks,I've got to go--so GOODNIGHT ALL---I am going to TRY to get a good nights sleep,sans coffee and ENSURE!

Larry> bye, ed

Fred> Good night, Ed.ovr

Drew> Good Night Ed, ovr.

jack> Ah ok ed, thanks very much for being with us. Have fun practicing (earlier in the day!)...

Yonette> Sweet dreams, ed

jack> indeed!

Steve> Sleep well, ed.

jack> Larry, waaaaay back in the chat transcript archives are some great discussions

jack> offered by Mike B from San Diego, who is also very visually oriented. He even developed

jack> a technique whereby he would visualize making the Key Sound, and it worked great for him!

jack> I have found

jack> that for me COMBINING the Key Sound,

jack> which is a bioenergetic experience, with visualization (as we've discussed in some recent chats, pls refer to the chat archive index)

Larry> What was the date of that discussion? And what is the URL for the archives? I sometimes have had success with the "Key Sounds" in combinstion with visualization.

jack> visualization being IMHO a psychoenergetic experience, THAT'S when I really get the MOST enjoyment out of this process. RE: date,

jack> not exactly sure, but check the archive index. Current URL is:

jack> Orgasm Chat Transcript Archives - Help for Female Orgasm Male Orgasm Premature Ejaculation Anorgasmia

Larry> Thanks for that URL.

jack> just go to that page and use the FIND function on your browser for Mike B, and also for visualization or visualize...

jack> I'm glad to hear you also got some

jack> benefit from combining visualization and Key Sound, at times.

Larry> Jack, are you saying that visualization *adds* to the process of reaching an MMO?

jack> You mentioned

jack> getting the strongest effects with a partner. Although

jack> I have had some absolutely fabulous times sharing this with a partner, I have also

jack> experienced tremendously transformative ecstatic states in solo.

jack> As have others... most recently, our friend ed. Check out his wonderful

jack> description in the chat of two weeks ago.

jack> May I ask a ? that is somewhat off this topic?

jack> I'd like to do so before people start needing to leave, and of course, I want to give

jack> Steve some airtime as well (plus anyone else!)

Steve> Ask away, jack.

jack> I want to see if everybody has a web browser that is at least Netscape Navigator 3.0 or higher OR MS Explorer 3.0 or higher. Is that the case?

Fred> Yes.ovr

jack> thanks Fred, how about the rest of youse?

Drew> Netscape 3.0 for me , Jack, ovr.

Larry> Yes I do, and I will be setting Yonette up with Netscape 3.01 soon.

Steve> I'm using netscape navigator 2.0.

Yonette> Don't know, but don't think so.

jack> What program do you use to surf the web, Yonette?

Steve> I can upgrade. I'm a computer network admin/eng. for a living.

Larry> Jack, will the new chats require an additional "Chat" plug-in for Netscape?

jack> Good, Steve. Larry, I don't think so. It's O'Reilly

jack> Web Board 2.0 and you just need a browser that can handle Java Script.

Steve> I'll upgrade. I'm on mIRC ALL the time anyway, so it's in keeping that I keep up.

jack> We gotta help Yonette get NS 3.0... She worked real hard makin it to IRC and I don't wanna lose her when we go to the new sys. Yonette, the GOOD news

Larry> Steve, will Netscape 3.01, 16-bit version for Win 3.1, handle Java Scripts?

Yonette> I'm off to yoga, you guys, too much computer talk for me just now. You'll never lose me...G

Steve> I think I heard just yesterday that it DOES. I'll check it out in the morning at the office.

jack> is that once you have Netscape 3.0 on board. You won't have to go thru this weird login process. There'll be a link

Fred> Goodbye, Yonette!ovr

Steve> Goodnight yonette. Glad to meet ya. huggs.

jack> directly from one of my web pages. OK Yonette, have fun at yoga. Email me about browsers and we'll get it worked out, OK?

Drew> See ya next time Yonette!

jack> Steve I sure hope so, 'cause I'm running Windows 3.1 also.

Larry> Relax Jack, Yonette has Netscape 3.01 for Windows 3.1 residing on her F-Drive. I have not had the time to install it for her yet. Her current browser is Netscape 2.02 running under Windows 3.1

jack> thanks for your great questions again Yonette.

jack> Ahhhh GREAT news, Larry! Thanks!

jack> ?ACTION wipin the sweat off my brow(ser)?

jack> OK, where were we?

jack> Larry, Ok if we hear from Steve a bit?

Larry> Sure

jack> ?ACTION passin Steve the Talking Stick?

Steve> :-)

Steve> Thanks, jack.

jack> :-)

Steve> I won't take up too much time because I just got started with your audio tape this weekend.

Steve> But I'd like to say...

Steve> That I've already had some results, but it's kind of unexpected.

Steve> I'll describe it and you can tell me how far afield I am.

Steve> I'm practicing the Key Sound and the Valley Breaths in my car

Steve> on the way to work. A very slow, 1.5 hour drive twice a day to Miami.

Steve> I'm sure that's not too good a place to practice, due to the fact that...

Steve> I might suddenly achieve an Male Multiple Orgasm and drive right into the car in front of me.

Steve> But seriously...

Steve> I've been working on the sound of the Key Sound.

jack> Yeah, that would be "non-consensual"! :-)

Steve> I'm trying to deepen the resonance. (not the pitch)

Steve> ANd smooth out the 'roll' as you call it.

Steve> At first it sounded like I was just yelling...

Steve> Then I remembered you said to make the last of it as sensual as I can.

Steve> That made me visualize a flow of sensual energy pass from my head down my body.

Steve> At the second day (yesterday)...

Steve> I, during some very good valley breathing and after a very resonate KS...

Steve> I felt a new feeling (and I really liked it)...

jack> :-)

Steve> Behing my right ear was a big tingling feeling...

Steve> And it started traveling down my neck and then over my shoulder and down my side and hip and down both legs.

Steve> And it stayed for a while.

Steve> My breathing suddenly slowed and became very peaceful..

Steve> It was the same kind of breathing I experience during what I call 'afterglow'.

Steve> How'm I doing? Is this a valid feeling connected to what I'm doing?

jack> Comments, gentlemen?

Drew> I can certainly relate to the experience of tingles running down the body... to me

Drew> it's an echo response that Jack talks about all the time....

Drew> I'm not sure that practicing in the car is the way to go to feel the ultimate pleasure.. yet I think

Drew> it's a useful practice and time well spend getting in tune with your own body, ovr.

Steve> Drew, can I ask (catching up with all these new buzzwords),..

Drew> Sure Steve, go ahead...

Steve> what is 'echo response' exactly? Is that just a body reaction that isn't part of the goal?

Steve> Or is what I feel part of where I'm trying to get to? MMO.

Drew> I believe that is a unique experience for each of us, to me it's

Drew> a way I know that my being is responding favourable to what I'm doing.... this can be in several

Drew> ways... waves of energy (tingling) throughout my body....

Drew> very pleasurable feelings/emotions...

Steve> I hope I'm not dragging you guys down with my newness. I'm not new at all about mental body awareness, etc.

Fred> You didn't even mention your groin area, Steve . . ?ovr

Steve> I know, Fred. That was the next thing I was going to say...

jack> Please Steve, don't sweat bein' a newbie, this chat is for ALL of us! I created it specifically as follow-up to the Audio Seminar information. Ah good question Fred!

Drew> and a sense that my capacity to experience higher levels of energetic charge is expanding... Re: dragging down... don't think of it in that way

Steve> The first night I listened to jack's tape...

Drew> for me it's useful to constantly review these techniques....

Steve> I was in my bed and playing it softly and following directions.

Steve> And did every single thing that was told to me.

Steve> Including the physical experimenting between my scrotum and anus (which is not new to me)

Steve> And was very pleasurable.

Drew> after all, even the most skilled performers, regularly practice the fundamentals of their craft, ovr.

jack> B4 you speak about the groin may I make a quick comment?

Steve> I started with the Key Sounds very quietly just like Jack's first one was.

Steve> And didn't get any connection from the sound to my groin. Only with what my hands were doing.

jack> (oops, 'scuse please... pray, continue!)

Steve> And in the car each time, my groin isn't yet involved in responses. Possibly, like Drew just said, the car's not the place. My concentration is split.

jack> I should hope so!

Steve> over. Go ahead jack.

jack> Ah, thanks Steve. Just a quick note in response

jack> to your ? about the Echo Effect.

jack> Ah welcome Mike!

Fred> Hi, Mike!ovr

Mike> HI!

Drew> Welcome Mike!

Mike> Hi, Drew.

Mike> Work day today, just got here. ovr

jack> ?ACTION introducing Mike to Larry and Steve, and vice versa...?

Steve> Hi Mike. I just started.

jack> RE: your ? Steve about the Echo Effect...

Mike> Hi, Steve, good to meet you. ovr

jack> First, use the Find function of your browser to look thru the Chat

jack> Archive Index for the chats where we go into detail about it. The Echo Effect... the tingles,

jack> waves of pleasure, etc. all of those spontaneous pleasurable responses

Steve> ok jack. I will. That'll save a lot of time on here too...

jack> to your working with the combination of resonant Key Sounds, visualization, a little physical stimulation,

Steve> I'll also practice more at home if I don't get comments like over.

jack> (copy Steve, but it's still ok to reiterate it)... all of those pleasurable

jack> "Echoes" from your Deeper S'elves, are, as Drew says, the positive feedback that you are "on track", that your body is awakening... is REMEMBERING how to experience this. It's coded into your DNA! All we gotta do is awaken those memories! The Echo Effect is the CORE

jack> secret to this form of non-ejaculatory multiple orgasm! The CORE. The goal is to use the various practices to elicit ever more intensely pleasurable Echo Effects.

jack> They will increase in intensity until they become fully orgasmic waves.

jack> Now, sometimes emotional challenges may arise

jack> as you open to ever greater pleasure. This is what we call "the emotional furballs". There's a lot of info on that in the archives as well. I just wanted to

jack> say though, that those tingles... those pleasurable ECHOES in response to your using the Key Sound, visualization, etc. are the "Direct Path to the Gate of the Thousand Fold Pleasures"! overrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Steve> Jack, that is such good news. Thanks for putting it that way. I feel like I'm going to get there now...

jack> You have a lot of help here, brother!

Steve> And as far as the furballs are concerned... I heard you speak of them on the tape and knew...

Steve> That I'm not going to be disturbed by them... I've been working with a pshychologist for about 8 years till recently and we've worked thru some wonderful issues, sexually related, family oriented, esteem related, etc.

jack> Great

Mike> Excellent.

jack> that smooths the path considerably!

Mike> Yes.

Steve> So I know about being friends with the 'upheaval' of emotions. It's really great and it won't scare me.

Steve> In fact, I may have already handled them.

Steve> But I'm looking forward to ALl the experiences this brings me.

jack> That's a great attitude!

Steve> I know that it touches all parts of the 'me' the I refer to.

Fred> It's great to hear your enthusiasm, Steve.ovr

Steve> sensualism is at the heart of us, and I've tried deepening it all my adult life.

Steve> As I said in my initial email to jack last night, I'm a very sensitive 'love-maker', both solo and partner...

Steve> So it's obvious to me that I want the whole "ball of wax" out of love making. And not just the physical.

Steve> I mean strengthening that wonderful energy that flows either between me and my partner or within myself.

Steve> And when it's with myself, I feel like I grow spiritually and emotionally. (only a slight pun intended there).

Steve> over.

Mike> Steve,it makes me so happy to hear that your life is going in this way, that you are so alive...

Mike> May I comment on my experience of raising this sort of energy?...ovr

Steve> Ever since I was a kid, I naively saw great value in self sensualism.

Steve> I never got obsessed with it, but I've always made time for it all my life.

Steve> And it's paid off when it comes to partners.

Steve> over.

jack> I support that balance 100%!

Steve> hope im not hogging too much of this. just grateful to find you people.

jack> not at all, bro'! That's what we're here for, and

Mike> No, no. This sounds like (do I dare say this) my own experience.

jack> the bulletin board system will give us all more room to expand these themes!

Fred> Let's hear your comments, Mike.ovr

jack> ?ACTION seeing Steve hand Mike the Talking Stick?

Mike> Thanks, Fred. And Jack.

jack> and Steve!

Mike> Well, wow.

jack> :-)

Steve> i'll shut up for a while I was just going to say that too, jack.

Mike> I am laughing out loud, out of gladness at having such people

Mike> in the world and on the net tonight.

Mike> It is so supportive to hear that there's someone

Mike> many people

Mike> who share this approach I have

Mike> I am overwhelmed.

Mike> But, Steve,

Mike> I find that the raising of this energy -- and maybe this is true for you

Mike> and for others in our chat,

Mike> Drew and Fred and Jack and Larry

Mike> That this energy flows into

Mike> other parts of the living experience

Mike> like creativity, like healing,

Mike> I found that it energized my own psychotherapy

Mike> blasting through blocks

Mike> and accelerating my working through

Mike> emotional issues at a core level.

Mike> ... with my therapist's guidance

Mike> of course. Also how about creative

Mike> experience, or an enhanced sense of humor about it all...?

Mike> Or meditation?

Mike> Ovr.

Fred> You're an inspiration, Mike.ovr

Steve> Mike, this is thrilling. I can tell we have a lot in common metaphysically.

Steve> I was going to add to my story a little. I forgot.

Steve> Both days now that I've done this on my way to work...

Steve> There has been a brighter bounce in my step...

Steve> I've remembered the little assignments given to me and got them done.

Steve> So that demonstrated what you just said about it affecting the rest of our life experience.

Mike> Yes. ovr

Steve> I've even done things like...

Steve> mentally visualizing my penis being my best friend... I don't mean that in a perverted way.

Steve> But thinking like that...

Fred> Thinking like that is great, Steve.

Mike> This is SO COOL.

Fred> I understand perfectly.ovr

Steve> directs my thinking for that flow of energy between it and me, making 'us' a 2 part entity that is well joined. Make sense? over.

Mike> Oh, yes.

Fred> Great.ovr

jack> So it's like the 7 dwarfs: [Key Sound, Key Sound] it's off to work we go! :-)

Mike> I once defined intimacy as a three-way.

Mike> ...

Mike> Me being in intimate relationship with myself,

Mike> and inviting my partner to share in the good times

Mike> and good feelings. ovr

jack> Wow I concur with that Mike!

jack> It BEGINS with the self!

Steve> ha ha. jack, you are wonderful.

jack> :-)

Mike> :-)

jack> I'm really lovin' you guys!

Steve> I concur too, Mike. That way you are offering your best to your partner. The 'thing' you love the most, you are sharing.

Fred> It's all thanks to you, Jack,ovr

jack> Thanks very much, Fred. AND it's thanks to you guys as well! Without you,

jack> I'd be here by myself!

Mike> And you are not relying on your partner to make you happy, Steve. ovr

Steve> I want to stay and grow with this. It's very clear cut and goes deep fast. Just what I was looking for. Jack, this is very well done.

jack> Thank you brotherman!

Steve> well, Jack, if you were here by yourself, we'd all know that you'd know what to do.

Fred> Sounds like a good note to end on.ovr

jack> You got that right! :-)

Mike> What? I'm just getting started.

Steve> Are we at the end of our time or something?

Steve> Me too.

jack> By got that right I meant, re: I'd know what to do :-)

Fred> I'll stay as long as you guys continue.ovr

Steve> Jack, are we spreading too broad with our discussion and comments?

Steve> Stay Fred. We need you.

jack> I don't think so. I'll probably have to bail in a while since I've been at this for 2.5 hours... but that's ok.

jack> "I don't think so" being directed to Steve's comment, natch...

jack> Wait'll we get that bulletin board "up"!

jack> I'm really surfin on the energy here tonite!

Steve> I can actually feel it in the lower part of my 'gut'.

jack> And YOU know what to do with that energy, now, don't you?

jack> :-)

Drew> Guys, I'm afraid the Eastern time zone has caught up with me again (am I the only one out here?), and I really need to retire for the evening....

Fred> So long, Drew.

jack> Thanks so much for being such an integral part of this Drew!

Steve> Yes, and I'll use less hands tonight and more inner flow.

Mike> Thanks, everyone. ovr

Drew> I'm really pleased to have more new recruits to chat with this week...

Mike> I'll review the chat, Drew. Have a good night. ovr

jack> ?ACTION givin Drew a big hug!

Steve> I just KNEW we were all huggers.

Drew> ?ACTION returning hug!?

jack> I've been feelin plenty hugged tonite! :-)

Steve> Drew?

jack> Sweet Dreams, Drew!

Steve> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{D R E W}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

jack> wow!

Mike> Ha!

Drew> thanks Jack! Do you know when the next chat will be?

jack> Next week. I'll let you know

Drew> Cool! I'll look forward to another great session....

jack> if I can get the new sys debugged by then. We might have to do it this way again, but, whichever... "no worries..."

jack> I'll let you know by email.

jack> Everybody on my email list?

Steve> Jack, are you considering a sequel to the audio tape? I'd love more examples of the K.S. from you. That IS your voice on there isn't it?

jack> Yes, it's my voice. I think a good sequel may be to have

jack> samples from everybody!

Steve> I related to your first couple of examples, but that last real loud one really made me think. You really sounded like a lion, like you said.

Steve> I tried that and lost the sense of sensuality on the downside of the roll.

Fred> I'll be back in a couple of minutes.ovr

jack> Yeah, don't FORCE it...

Drew> I really must go now, until next time... look after yourselves!!!!!!!!!!

jack> Just use the Key Sound to express

Steve> Hurry back Fred.

Larry> Jack, How do we get on your email list?

jack> the energy you ARE feeling

Steve> Bye Drew. can't wait to 'see' you again.

jack> Just send me an email to jack@multiples.com and you'll get

jack> reminders of when the next chat is, and when

jack> the latest transcript gets posted.

Steve> oic, jack. That makes a difference in my thinking then. I had it the other way round.

jack> BTW, maybe you guys could help me debug my soundboard so I COULD get some more

jack> .wav files up on the sys. We could start an archive!

jack> The bulletin board will accept .wav files!

jack> Did you get what I said

jack> Steve about just using the

jack> Key Sound to express the energy you ARE

Steve> I don't have a sound card, so I haven't been collecting .wav's.

jack> feeling, rather than trying to push the river?

Steve> Yes, Jack. I got it and I responded with that my thinking on that was backwards. Glad to know that.

jack> (copy re: sound card, Steve)

jack> Great!

Steve> I can't tell you how excited I am about this connection with you, jack and all you guys.

Fred> I'm back.ovr

jack> Steve, I think you just did! :-)

Fred> It's mutual, Steve.ovr

Mike> :-)

Larry> :-)

Steve> You guys have nice smiles as well as a keen sense of sensuality.

Mike> ;-)

Larry> Sensuality is a part of being fully sexual, in my opinion.

Steve> Is there a way to describe the Male Multiple Orgasm that is without ejaculation? I would guess that it's very much like the 'original'.

jack> Larry, I believe sensuality is the cornerstone, and the keystone!

jack> Yes Steve, take a look at the Guide Book that came with the Audio Seminar. There's an

Steve> I've got it right in front of me.

jack> exercise in there for "how to tell you're having an orgasm when you don't ejaculate"

Steve> Is that the dialog on page 20 and 21?

jack> It's also a good topic for a subsequent chat (as well as a "conference" on the bulletin board).

Steve> yes.

Steve> Here's a very practical question:

jack> Pages 21-28 Steve

Steve> Do you find enough time to 'practice' the KS and VB's alone? I've got 2 house guests right now and I don't want to be overheard. Or should I care?

jack> Drew's a good one to speak with about THAT issue! Also though,

jack> It really depends on the people involved. The energy is so powerful that it can

jack> be intrusive and even a violation if people aren't comfortable with it. That's an EXCELLENT question, by the way!

Mike> I'm no expert, but I find that it works to do it with the breath,

Mike> kind of whispering it...

Mike> but Jack's point about the intensity

Mike> of the energy itself is well taken. ovr

Steve> Is that just as effective, Mike?

Mike> Yeah, for me, but I am not an Male Multiple Orgasm expert. ovr

Steve> i just didn't want my guest to think that I had some secret device in my clothing or something.

Mike> Ha!

jack> I also use

jack> the "whisper" method that Mike describes...

Steve> Very good.. Glad to hear that.

jack> Nevertheless, I find that when I can really let the sound out, there is a more cosmically intense

jack> level of experience, of connection with all that is...ovr

Steve> Jack, I must say, I got much more 'inspiration' out of your first 2 whispery examples than I did from that wild animal sound at the end.

jack> It's important to respect other people's boundaries however.

Steve> I understand.

Steve> Oh! Now I remember. I had a very important question for you jack

Mike> Jack, your comment about the sound connecting you with

Mike> the universe...

Mike> reminds me of the practice of toning...

Mike> in Eastern traditions. AUM.

Mike> Which has a similar effect on me.

Mike> Also, singing, sometimes... ovr

jack> Yes Mike. I experience the Key Sound as a Tantric mantra!

Mike> So, Steve, what is your question? ovr

Steve> I'm well used to including that 'lower' area in my sensual playing...

Steve> And I find it very interesting and responsive...

Steve> But when I was doing what jack said in the tape...

Steve> with the 3 fingers and going from in front of my anus and continuing to my scrotum...

Steve> I wasn't sure whether you were saying to press in hard in different places...

Steve> or just feather touch along that tube till there is a hot spot. I tried both....

Steve> and didn't get too far.

Steve> I enjoy that whole area, but didn't pin down one single spot like you said. over.

Steve> Of course I'm not going to stop trying.

jack> Give it a while. Just do some gentle exploration. There is spongy area right at the base of the penile

jack> shaft called the corpus spongiosum penis which I find to be quite hot. Sometimes from light touch, sometimes from a firmer touch.

jack> I've also noticed another hot spot

Steve> Do you mean right where the testicles are? Right under there, or further back?

jack> just a little bit below that, on the "anchoring chord" of the penis, more or less between the testicles.

jack> It may be different for others... I think you just need to take your time and

jack> get to know yourself! :-)

Steve> Ah yes. That's what I was referring to. Right in the area where the sac is attached, eh?

Steve> Is it like the jolt like when you hit the prostrate?

Steve> Or more subtle.

jack> Uh both. Sometimes a subtle buzz or tingle, sometimes a REAL jolt that for me triggers the non-ejac orgasmic waves immediately.

jack> Once I'd found these areas, I can sometimes

jack> just "visualize" touching myself there, kind of telling myself that's what I'm gonna do, and THAT will trigger the waves! You know, kind of TEASING myself! :-)

Mike> What a good idea!

Steve> wow. That is terrific.

Larry> I agree

jack> :-)

Steve> Jack, if I found that kind of hot spot, I'd be late for work every morning. (blush)

jack> There's a lot to be said for telecommuting, including some stuff that aint

jack> been talked about on TV yet! :-)

Steve> wow.

Mike> If it's mentally triggered, think of the possibilities once you're AT work.

jack> The social implications of this discovery constitute an EXTENSIVE thread

Fred> I remember a Mike B from San Diego

jack> which I'm looking forward to exploring with you guys in future chats and bbs's

Fred> who could do it on an airplane1!ovr

jack> That's right Fred! Thanks for mentioning Mike B again! See Larry?

Larry> OK

jack> he was the one I mentioned earlier tonite. The chats he was in are definitely worth a read.

Steve> I'm going to review them all.

jack> Once I get the new sys up, I'm gonna go out and

jack> invite these people back...

Steve> That would be great.

Mike> Men, I'm going to get some dinner... Really great being with

jack> Mike B, Allen, Carlos, there's a number of them.

Larry> Sort of like an Male Multiple Orgasm slumber party?

Mike> all of you tonight.

jack> Yeah I need to wrap it too. BEFORE YOU GO MIKE,

Mike> Yeeessss......

jack> please let me just say CONGRATULATIONS to us ALL! This is a NEW RECORD (3 hours!) for

jack> the Male Multiple Orgasm chat! And WHAT a chat!!! Wow!!!

jack> And you know what???

Mike> What?

Fred> Grateful hugs to all! Good night1ovr

Steve> What, jack?

Mike> Good night, Fred. Sweet dreams.

jack> There are a LOT of people out there in other parts of the world, Hungary, Australia, SOUTH AFRICA, Italy, ALL OVER

Steve> Good night, Fred. BIG WARM HUG.

jack> who want to get in on this. So the bulletin board is gonna give THEM all a chance

Larry> Sensual dreams,

Fred> :-)

jack> to join us.

Steve> That would be great to get mixed cultures.

jack> AND I'm going to offer chats at some other time slots so they can get in on the REAL time dialogues as well!

jack> Whaddya say we call it a nite?

Steve> Wonderful.

Mike> Good idea,

Mike> ovr

Larry> Sounds good to me. Thanks for all the info.

Fred> Thanks, all!ovr

Steve> It's midnight over here in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. I'm tired but wired.

Steve> If we must close, we must.

Mike> I'm wired, but tired.

jack> How about a giant global group Hug!

Steve> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Larry> It's 9 pm in San Francisco, and the night is young. :-)

Mike> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ALL}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Steve> Didn't think I'd get an author's hug so soon. Shows what a warm guy you are.

jack> ?ACTION huggin EVERY BODY!?

Steve> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{mike}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} }}}}}}

Larry> Bye

Steve> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{jack}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Mike> Hope to talk with you again, Larry. Have a sensual evening!

Larry> I will

Steve> Night, Larry. BIG HUG.

Mike> Thank you, Steve.

jack> Take this love and spread it around in the world you guys. See you all again soon!

Steve> ok. Will do. peace love and tranquility.

Steve> But the greatest of these of love.

jack> ?ACTION feelin goosebumps as ?

Larry> Big Hugs to you, Steve. Just be careful driving. I've missed freeway exits trying to practive Key sounds.

jack> ?ACTION every body starts headin for the door...?

Steve> hehe. me too.

Larry> Good night

Steve> I hate to quit, but I'll use discipline.

jack> Good night Larry!

Steve> I'll go to bed and practice and play the tape again.

Larry> Good Night Jack

jack> Attaboy!

jack> Good night Larry, thanks again!

Steve> I hope you don't mind that you are making those KS's in my bedroom, jack.

jack> Not at all. It's a sound the world needs to hear (consensually, of course!)

Steve> i agree.

Steve> thanks again.

Steve> As you might suspect...

jack> You are VERY welcome.

Steve> I've REALLY enjoyed this.

Steve> see ya next time.

jack> Yeah, me too. See you next time brother!

Steve> bye

Steve> hug
jack> ACTION hugggin Steve?
jack> ACTION just sittin here in the middle of the chat room, feeling the loving energy of all of these wonderful people... feeling goosebumps, and tears of joy and gratitude... good night world... sweet dreams!