• Drew from Michigan and Jack from Oregon, later joined by Fred from Utah and Newbie Renoir from Virginia, comprised a THREE HOUR CHAT in this session!

jack> Hey brother!

Drew> Did I make it?

jack> Yes, it seems that you're in!

Drew> Phew, I had to overcome a case of user error tonight!

jack> What happened? I always like to know when someone

jack> has trouble getting in. May reflect a design prob at our end, etc.

Drew> Just a typo with the channel name. I think I got sent way out into cyberspace, and it took me a while to recover.

jack> Ah ok! :-) How ya be?

Drew> Pretty good, although I experienced some rough times this week, just physically....

Drew> The interesting thing is, that I was able to move through it VERY quickly, and I believe it to be be just what I needed, a blessing.

jack> I'm glad to hear you moved thru it quickly! How a blessing?

Drew> Well, it goes along with a basic premise of Male Multiple Orgasm practice really...

Drew> i.e. listen to your body...

jack> :-)

Drew> I believe that If we're not checking in with ourselves, and taking heed of the communication, then the bodymind has no alternative but to send a STRONGER signal...

Drew> until you do take HEED.

jack> I totally agree!

jack> Ignoring the signals is like disconnecting the oil light in your car when it comes on!

jack> This is why

jack> it's so important not to push onesself thru the Male Multiple Orgasm practice, to try to bulldoze thru the furballs. Or playing sports, etc. while injured...

jack> Maybe I should say other sports :-)

jack> other than MMO,

Drew> so the blessing for me was that I took notice early on, and took care of myself, and my body had it's need taken care of, so the symptoms no longer needed to manifest.

jack> Way to go! Does that feel like a new behavior for you?

Drew> Not totally brand new, yet I'm learning to do it in new ways, and in many different contexts...

jack> The ripples...

Drew> i.e. physically, mentally, EMOTIONALLY, and even spiritually.

jack> I'm getting a sense of increased emotional energy from you as well, overall. N'est-ce pas?

Drew> Oh yeah, this has been, and continues to be, the challenge of my life...

jack> How a challenge?

Drew> Well, trusting and knowing what I'm feeling, and the appropriate expression of those feelings, and most importantly, taking care of my emotional needs.

jack> What is your strategy for knowing?

Drew> Man, I think that's the toughest question you've ever asked...

Drew> I guess, it's a felt sense in my body.

jack> Where?

Drew> It varies, usually my gut though.

jack> How does your gut feel when you know?

Drew> It's difficult to find mere words that can articulate that.

jack> I'm not surprised! How about other channels? Images, words other parts of you might be saying to you, etc.?

Drew> Strangely, I don't think that those other modalities come into it, they serve to confuse me, get me out of my body,

jack> So it's a feeling, without words or images?

jack> Or feelingS

jack> i.e. It's feelinS, without words or images?

Drew> If there are words or images, I'm not conscious of them.

jack> I hear you! :-)

jack> And how about your strategy for "appropriate"?

Drew> I've just realized the crux of the matter, regarding the "challenge"...

jack> AWWRIGHT!

Drew> For me, it's about NEEDS rather than feelings....

Drew> for example...

Drew> there are many situations in life that I need to take care of, and taking care of them, may or may not feel good at the time...

Drew> yet I still NEED to do them!

jack> WOW! That sure resonates for _me_! THANKS!

jack> pls continue...

Drew> In the context of relationships with people, especially females, this has been an area of struggle for me...

Drew> the ultimate example would be, having a NEED to end a relationship, you know it's not going to feel good, yet it's more important to take care of your NEED, rather than just wanting to feel good.

jack> Do you feel your ability to accomplish that changing?

jack> Hey I see Fred in the foyer!

Fred> Hi, Drew and Jack!

jack> Hi There!

Drew> Oh yes, absolutely. I know I have some way to go yet, I will get there though... HI FRED!!!!

Fred> Hi, Drew. Please continue. I'll listen.

jack> Is there a THERE to get to?

Drew> Okey Dokey...

jack> ACTION seein Fred pull up a chair...

Drew> Not really, it's about my willingness to be in the process...

jack> What purpose does your saying "I will get 'there' " serve then?

Drew> my example above was in the extreme, yet when people are relating, there is a natural coming together and drifting apart, and that is what I've had trouble with in the past....

Drew> OK, you caught me, there is no "there".

jack> I was just wondering if that phrase was somewhat "automatic" and might be a vestige of the earlier patterns...

Drew> Perhaps indeed.

jack> that might keep you from more fully feeling the process...

Drew> Yes, I recall now about our discussion about 'staying in the present'....

jack> wasn't there an "emotional breaker" around that?

Drew> when I do that, there is no 'there', there's only here, and there's no better place to be.

jack> Copy!

Drew> emotional braker?

Drew> WOW! the typo that wasn't....

jack> Yeah man! Good one! Cool!!! For info of the readers, ALSO meaning brEaker. Like a circuit breaker that goes POP that shuts down one's ability to feel more fully. We start running feelings, be they increasing ero

Drew> emotional BRAKEr, being out of the present sure stops the process.

jack> Wow that resonates for me too!

jack> to finish that sent above...

jack> be it increasing erotic energy, or feeling the need to end a relationship, or

jack> a need to seek a new direction creatively, etc. An emotional br(e)aker

jack> is when our system feels like we can't allow any greater intensity of the feelings and something goes POP and we're outta the present.

Drew> That's exactly it...

Drew> being fully in the present, and available to fully feel and experience whatever is right there in that moment.....

Drew> whether it be joy, sadness, anger, bliss, it's a full spectrum.

Drew> Unfortunately, most humans have learned to be judgemantal of there experience, i.e. joy, bliss GOOD!...

jack> And the more we can open to that energy without popping a br(e)aker, the fuller the spectrum is, the wider and deeper the rainbow!

Drew> sadness, anger BAD! and there is a tendancy to want to shut down the experiences perceived to be negative.... yet I don't believe that shutting down selectively is possible...

jack> I think it's possible but not necessarily growth enhancing...

Drew> so the abailty to feel the joy and the bliss etc. is also shut down...

jack> definitely, because the fear is running, too, eh? It can for me, anyway...

Drew> or you allow yourself to feel partially.

jack> You know, it occurs to me that we might look at THIS one thru that "There is no THERE" lense! By that I mean

jack> Partially to me anyway can imply there is some mythical end point called totally. But the more I open to ALL of the feelings that continue to open thru Male Multiple Orgasm and the other personal work,

Drew> Infants fascinate me, they are really in the present, and are clear on what there needs are, so they can go from cying to laughing, back to crying in a very short time period.

jack> that it really seems to be about continually opening to MORE. Like, maybe there is no TOTAL, just MORE... copy re:infants. Adults in appropriate contexts can do that too, don't you think so?

Drew> Copy: endpoint. I agree. Who knows what the limits are, or even if there is one. I suspect not!

jack> i.e. from crying to laughing to ...

jack> That is my point!

Drew> I hope so!

jack> That's what just occurred to me as we were rappin that part. Yeah! I hope so too! It's

jack> liberating, isn't it?

Drew> Yes...

Drew> that is what is so important to me about moving through furrballs....

Drew> unlearning takes place, a letting go of past conditioning, and the ability to fully experience life (no shut downs).

Drew> I take back the 'no shut downs' part.

jack> I would say to MORE fully experience life, to have a strategy for healing the furballs that are SIGNALLED by the shutdowns! Copy re: "take back!" bravo!

jack> How about considering that maybe the CYCLE of

Drew> Those shut downs are a great opportunity.

jack> Yeah now THAT'S some positive trance formation, aint it? Opening _some_ more to feeling life and being in the present, then pop! time to heal some more, or just OPEN some more

jack> and WITHOUT the feelings

jack> of "Some day I'll be TOTALLY 'there' TOTALLY

jack> IN THE MOMENT AT ALL TIMES, etc. " It seems like it could set up a "not quite makin it" undertheme thru all of one's experience. I thank you again because this is stuff that's

jack> up for me as well.

jack> Uh Oh, the network just dropped Drew! Hopefully he'll make it back in.

jack> Fred this gives me a chance to invite you to say where the gaps in all of this conversation might be, since you joined us in medias res and

jack> very generously invited us to continue...

Fred> That's all right, Jack. I'll fill in when I read the transcript.

jack> OK! Was there any of it that made any sense to you or do you need to see the t/s first?

jack> Here comes Drew...

Fred> It suggests sense, Jack.

jack> Like, there's a thread there _some_where?

jack>:-)

Fred> Yes. Please continue, you two.

jack> Thanks Fred! Howdy Drew, welcome back!

Drew> What happened?

jack> The network quit holding hands somewhere between Podunk and Timbuktu. It's the nature of Internet Relay Chat unfortunately. There's a LOT of elves holding hands

jack> for us to talk like this... (THANKS ELVES!) Drew, may I paste


Drew> Ah, I get the picture.

jack> in the stuff I sed right as you got pinged out?

Drew> PLease do.

jack> One mo'mt

jack> [Drew] Those shut downs are a great opportunity. <

jack> Yeah now THAT'S some positive trance formation, aint it? Opening _some_ more to feeling life and being in the present, then pop! time to heal some more, or just OPEN some more <

jack> and WIT

jack> (there's a little more... hold pls)

jack> <

jack> and WITHOUT the feelings <

jack> of "Some day I'll be TOTALLY 'there' TOTALLY [SERVER] Drew has quit IRC Ping timeout <

jack> IN THE MOMENT AT ALL TIMES, etc. " It seems like it could set up a "not quite makin it" undertheme thru all of one's e

jack> of one's experience. I thank you again because this is stuff that's <

jack> up for me as well.

jack> whew... thanks for waitin...

Drew> At the time I pinged out I was typing something I recall my NLP trainer saying to me a while ago.... "Old wounds are triggered, so that we have the opportunity to resolve them". This seems to sum up tonights topic.

jack> Yep, that's what I've been sayin all along too. As the pleasure goes in, the old wounds shout "heal ME!"

jack> Hold pls buffer full be right back

Drew> AND, there is NO DESTINATION, only the JOURNEY.

jack> exactly my friend! EJACULorgasm

jack> as the SOLE source of orgasm sets the stage for a MASSIVE _FAILURE_ undertheme for men AND perhaps in some cases for our partners! They can certainly

jack> suffer the results, as does MUCH of humanity it seems, by various men's attempts to COMPENSATE for such a possible undertheme by all of commotion and violence that is whirling. THAT'S what so exciting

jack> to me about how MMO, NLP, Reverse Speech Analysis, and other methods of OPENING give me sorely needed hope for the world!

jack> (and for myself!)

Drew> Yes. The world seems to be shifting, at least I like to think so. There's so much going on that I find disagreeable...

Drew> I am however a true optimist, and I believe people like us CAN and ARE making a difference.

jack> That's what I really like about Chaos Theory! That the more disequilibriate a system becomes, the GREATER the

jack> likelihood that an event which in a purely LINEAR system would be "innocuous" or at best of "moderate" or "local" consequence in a DISEQUILIBRATING _CHAOTIC_ system

Renoir> Hello

Drew> HI Renoir!

jack> have the UNPREDICTABLE potential of stimulating effects, repercussions, cascades and ripples of events

Fred> Hello, Renoir.

jack> that can FAR EXCEED what one might ever predict! Hi Renoir! Welcome!!!

Renoir> Hi Drew, it was tricky to get here, had to download mirc

jack> Where are "calling" from?

jack> Yeah I'm going to start recommending mirc too! Thanks for mentioning that!

Renoir> Virginia

jack> Fred's from Utah, Drew's from Michigan, I'm from Oregon. How'd you find us?

Renoir> I just found out about this today, so an ad in a catalog and then did an alta vista search on "jack johnston, m.a."

Renoir> It seems fascinating, I read the entire web site

jack> Wow!!!

Renoir> and down loaded the 'sound'

jack> That sound sample is pretty much the ADVANCED version of the sound. There are gentler samples

jack> in the Audio Seminar, and I'll soon be getting some of those up on the web as well. The gentler sounds come earlier in the practice, usually then leading up to the kinds of intensity you heard

jack> in the downloaded sample.

Fred> I've got to go, gents.

Fred> Welcome Renoir, and so long Jack and Drew

jack> OK Fred, thanks for stopping by. Speak with you soon!

Fred> Still hope to hear from you, Drew, by phone.

Fred> Good night.

Drew> See ya Fred, I'm sorry I haven't had chanc...

Drew> Hmmmm!

jack> Uh oh, Renoir pinged out when Fred bailed... hmmm indeed!

jack> What do you think?

Drew> About what specifically?

jack> your hmmmm!

Drew> Just that 50% of our group vanished in a nanosecond, that's all.

jack> Renoir's on his way back. Yeah, here he is. Hi Renoir!

Renoir> I think I'm back....

jack> Yes you are!

Renoir> Got disconnected

jack> It's fri nite so the Internet Chat networks are probably maxing...

Drew> Welcome back, Renoir, I admire your persistance!

Renoir> It's not crowded in here, I'll bet when the word gets out this will be a popular chat destination

jack> Who knows how your stuff is getting routed to get to us! could be thru Moscow or Tierra del Fuego for all we know!

jack> Wow, thank you for that! What do you think?

Renoir> I think, tomorrow I'll have some time to try what I read on your website.

jack> "Field research" we like to call it :-) But of course, that's not all we call it! Eh Drew?

Drew> Too true!

Renoir> Did I read you discovered this in 1975?

jack> No, not the Male Multiple Orgasm info, but

jack> the approach to working with my inner "guides" "subpersonalities" "id entities" etc. for

jack> developing knowledge and transformation intuitively.

Renoir> How long has the Male Multiple Orgasm been known to you or is it an adaption from other techniques?

jack> I discovered the methodology I describe as the Key Sound and my version of the Valley Breath about 3 years ago.

Renoir> I wonder about the breath, how do you push down while you are pushing your belly out and should one push forcefully, that would hurt?

jack> It's certainly influenced by bioenergetics, tantra, ericksonian viewpoints, and my own dream methodology which is a synthesis of ericksonian language forms and malaysian shamanic beliefs and myths... RE: breath: don't worry about the breath. Concentrate on

jack> making the Key Sound BUT GENTLY AT FIRST not like is demo'd in the sound you downloaded. Please see the articles in the VERY IMPORTANT TIPS section

Renoir> Tips section on the web?

jack> of the Main Index. i.e. start with the Key Sound as I demonstrate in the audio seminars _very_ softly

jack> Yes, very important tips on main index page which is /index.html

jack> It's near the top.

jack> Three articles

jack> Also, I would like to ask you Drew for your suggestions to Renoir

Drew> WOW!

Renoir> Is WOW a suggestion...?

Drew> Take it slow, pay attention to your entire body...

Drew> and don't be hung up on 'Trying' to experience MMO...

Renoir> That must be easier after you've experienced it.

Drew> concentrate on building the erotic charge in your body, and being able to hold it there...

jack> Going slow, you mean?

jack> my ? was to R, scuse me Drew.

Drew> I knew that.

Renoir> No I meant that it must be easier to not be hung up on trying after you've had the first experience.

Renoir> But I think I should view it as a process, and just observe the process as it takes place without trying to achieve something.

Drew> The thing is... how do you know you've had the first experience? We were chatting about the journey rather than the destination earlier on ...

Renoir> I see.

Renoir> Do you get many newbies in here?

Renoir> such as myself..

Drew> I think focusing on the process is paramount!

jack> I'd say in the past year (which is the first year of this service) the transcripts will show

jack> about a dozen + The frequency seems to be increasing though, as the circulation of the

jack> Audio Seminar and Guide Book has increased. What's not apparent is all of the email and snailmail I get. That's where I'm seriously remiss, I must confess, in getting it all answered,

jack> and then in getting it posted to the site. I'm committed to getting that part of the site up as soon as possible however.

jack> In addition to that the site average about 3k to 4k file hits a week

jack> which suggests about 70 readers or so, at least half or more appear to be regulars.

jack> ACTION wavin to the reader and saying THANKS!

Renoir> I saw that ad for the Audio Seminar in Whole Life Products catalog that came in the mail today from Forest Grove Oregon, in case you were interested

jack> OK, thanks! Was that the Best OF, or the regular one?

Renoir> I think the regular one, it's 47 or so pages long.

jack> OK, thanks for that info! May I make

jack> another comment about the breathing ?

Renoir> Please!

jack> When _I_ learned how to do the seemingly counter-intuitive

jack> "valley breath" of seeing my lower belly expand on the exhale while the upper part

jack> of the stomach muscles did a pushing down motion, I THEN discovered that the Key Sound as I demonstrate in the audio seminars gave the ever building erotic energy

jack> "some place to go" rather than localizing as tension in the penis and in the area around the prostate, i.e. in anticipation of "ejaculorgasm". i.e. the "traditional" orgasm WITH

jack> ejaculation. But I found that if people

jack> focussed on trying to make their muscles move the right way in conscious way, it became a distraction!

jack> But what I subsequently real eyes'd was that if one concentrates on making the Key Sound (_gently_ at first, and even in the very beginning - perhaps without any erotic stimulation at all! )

jack> and allowing the volume to rise automatically as the intensity of arousal and pleasure did. The muscles would "take care of themselves"! That is,

jack> by concentrating on making Key Sounds which felt somehow like "yeah, THAT'S more like it", you would tend to open to more pleasure, and could have the oppty to experience ever greater arousal until what we call the "Echo Feelings"

jack> would take on an ever greater number and intensity of the

jack> one momt

jack> characteristics many of us typically

jack> associate with orgasm with ejaculation, when considering how we "know" we're having an ejaculorgasm _other_ than the ejaculation itself. One moment and I'll get you the date

jack> ref on the chat transcript where we

jack> got into that in some depth...

Drew> I'm going to leave you guys to continue the discussion, my bed is calling me! "See" you soon Jack. I hope to hear a report of your 'field studies' soon, Renoir!

Renoir> bye drew, we'll see.

jack> Yes, July 24 1996.

jack> Bye Drew!!!

jack> Thanks for the wonderful rap!

jack> ACTION huggin Drew

Drew> Take care man, and above all, have FUN!!!!!!!

jack> In the MO' MENT!

jack> ;-)

jack> Thanks for stoppin by, Drew!

jack> Renoir, did you get that chat date?

Renoir> Yes, I did, jotted it down and I'll check it out.

Renoir> You know, I haven't read your guide or gotten that tape, but does just sitting in a chair and gently making the sound induce erotic energy?

jack> Yeah just go into the Annotated Chat Index and Ctrl+F (If in Netscape) to Find July 24 and hit the link. I dunno how much time or energy you have this PM. But I did want to ask you another ? as well as answer the one you just sent...

jack> This is how many people start with it.

Renoir> Sure, go ahead, sorry for all the questions, I'm a fast typer.

jack> Oh no prob! That's great! That's what I'm here for is to answer ?'s about this, and of course I really enjoy hearing the comments and "field research reports"

jack> The chair idea is a good one!

jack> Later on you might then want to recline on your back with your feet on the floor or bed or whatever (to keep your legs bent. In the beginning this helps to bypass the ejaculation and feel the orgasms, without feeling like you're.

jack> having to hold back or that you are "avoiding" ejaculation.)

jack> But I really like that chair idea (you guys are always teaching me how to teach this better and you're no exception Renoir, thanks!).

jack> I like it because

jack> that way in the beginning one would have less of a tendency to get into an mode like "ok it's time to GET DOWN TO BUSINESS and HURRY UP AND FIGURE OUT how to GET OFF in this new way!!!" And because of our enculturation around seeking male erotic pleasure

jack> with urgency, there can be a tendency for a guy to slip into that mode when learning this... but that chair idea,

jack> it just seems naturally easier to concentrate on just learning in the beginning how to

jack> make the Key Sound and to learn how to identify the stirrings of the Echo Feelings which tend to happen in response use Key Sounds

jack> , especially those that send your conscious awareness a signal, like I mentioned before, of "Yeah, THAT'S more like it!"

jack> Renoir, pls hold any comments for a moment I must hop outta the channel and back in because of this modest IRC program I'm using, to flush the display buffer. I'll be RIGHT back... pls hold comments

jack> I'm back! Thanks for holding.

jack> Is this information helpful to your understanding?

Renoir> Yes, and I'm reading July 24, while I wait for the net to send your comments..

jack> Hey brother, you're an Ace Net Surfer, aint ya?

jack> May from time to time say I got the chair idea from "Renoir of Virginia"?

Renoir> Sure.

jack> :-)

jack> Thanks!

Renoir>

jack> May I ask my other ?

Renoir> Please.

jack> I was just wondering if you could briefly describe your experience as you read thru the web site; i.e., what ideas piqued a favorable response?

jack> As Arsenio would say, "The kinda things that make you wanna say 'hmmm' "

Renoir> It was earlier this afternoon, but what caught my attention was the descriptions of what people described happened to them..

Renoir> Ecstatic waves of never ending orgasms, dissolving into the white, feeling love of all mankind, no feelings of alienation or masturbation guilt, sharing with a partner and magnifying the experience. These are the things which stand out in my mind.

jack> Cool!!! I look forward to when you they'll stand out in your _experience_!

Renoir> They were scattered throughout the site and I just methodically went through it all except I didnt read all the chat archives.

Renoir> I have another question.

jack> Copy. Did you look thru the Chat Index though? It's annotated. Yes, your question pls ask.

Renoir> No, I'll look through it though.

Renoir> What I was wondering was

Renoir> and this is not an orgasmic experience,

Renoir> but have you ever taken a very deep breath and

Renoir> then when your so full you can't hold any more,

Renoir> and you force that lungful down towards the center of your chest,

Renoir> and then this woosh of energy flows up from your legs

Renoir> and arms and crescendos in your head,

Renoir> making vision distort and darken, with an echo like

Renoir> reverberation in your mind all

Renoir> accompanied by feelings of well being and

Renoir> connectedness and all knowingness (sort of) and then

Renoir> it fades out after a few seconds, leaving you

Renoir> waving slightly and feeling warm? It reminds of

Renoir> nitrous oxide at the dentist office in a way.

jack> Re: Chat Index. It's a good idea I think to read thru the annotations once. You can also Ctrl + F on keywords and you'll get many but not all chats on that topic.

jack> RE: woosh,

jack> what makes it NOT an orgasm?

Renoir> Oh, I never thought of it as one. In fact if I ever did it

Renoir> with my eyes closed I would invariably wake up on the ground!

Renoir> The body shakes so violently that

Renoir> you have to hold onto something while the wave hits in your

Renoir> head or you'll fall over. Once I was

Renoir> standing in front of the bathroom mirror when

Renoir> I did it and holding on to the sink was the only way

Renoir> to stop my head from pounding the mirror!!!

Renoir> Anyway, I've

Renoir> never really talked to anyone other than my wife about

Renoir> it and she just thinks I'm nuts.

Renoir> Funny though

Renoir> it only works standing up, I've almost got it to partially

Renoir> work sitting but with no great effect.

Renoir> What do you think that is?

jack> Well to me it seems that you are in the neighborhood of MMO. However I would encourage you to begin more gently with the breathing and tune into the more subtle "different" (i.e. new) good feelings that you may begin to notice,

jack> the _forcing_ can create blackout condition like you describe, but the GOOD news is that you don't need to force your system into blackout to get those kinds of feelings and more!

jack> Also, re: partner, pls check out intro to Key Sound practice with a partner, it's one of the Very Important Tips articles found at the top of the Main Index. Again though

jack> I wanna say that I think you seem to be in the neighborhood, but on a much higher risk street, if you will, by the forcing aspect.

Renoir> I did read those 3 tips and partner info,

Renoir> So you think the thing I was experiencing was in the

Renoir> neighborhood but was sought of violent charge up the hill

Renoir> instead of walk in the meadow while the sun rises slowly?

Renoir> Waning poetic.

Renoir> One other thing

jack> Go brother! This path _definitely_ amps the artist in us!

Renoir> That forceful wave was unrepeatable without considerable time

Renoir> in between attemps.

jack> I thot the image of the violent charge up the hill was most apt. For me the walk in the meadow is actually a walk UP the meadow til suddenly you find you're over looking a VAST expanse!

jack> Ah that's interesting!

jack> It had a refractory period!

Renoir> Well, I've probably soaked up enough of this on the intellectual level for now,

Renoir> I need to start experimenting. I'll start out sitting in a chair,

Renoir> and watch the process, enjoy the journey (hoping one will start) and see what

Renoir> happens. I'll stop by with more questions on what happens or to report

Renoir> on what transpires if that's ok with you?

jack> Cool! Can you make the wednesday chat from time to time?

jack> It's more than ok, my friend. It's why I'm here!

Renoir> Should be able to, I noticed a page on your site that

Renoir> mentions times and such so I'll check that as well and see you

Renoir> next Wed if not sooner. I was pleasantly surprised to

Renoir> see you were actually here tonite. I originally was just

Renoir> looking to see if anything was here, not expecting to actually meet Jack.

jack> :-)

jack> Usually I'm up in the high country away from phone lines

jack> on Fri Sat Sun, but I was outta town this week learning more about Reverse Speech Analysis (http://www.reversespeech.com)

jack> So I did a "make-up"

jack> on Friday nite this week. Also,

jack> re: the chat times on the web site, the only error at this point is that they say Pacific Daylight Time... I'll get that changed this weekend.

jack> Thanks very much for stopping by Renoir!

Renoir> Thanks to you for being there. Goodnite

jack> I feel that you've already made some cool contributions with your questions and view points, e.g. the chair idea and all

jack> Pls send me your email address if you care to.

jack> Good nite! Thanks for stopping by!

jack> just haven't taken the time to learn all the buttons

Renoir> I know, you've learned other buttons

jack> and this is the only chatting I do, is moderate this weekly get together

Renoir> I see. Well, I should really go, anything else?

jack> I think we done a pretty danged good one for openers, wouldn't you say?

Renoir> Yes I would, thanks again, nice meeting you, and we'll talk again, I enjoyed reading your very open and caring responses on the website. Goodnite.

jack> Goodnite. And if the spirit moves ya, but only if, you feel like getting the Audio Seminar, I'd appreciate it if you'd go ahead and order it thru Pac Spirit and tell ya s/w me on the web site and "I sent ya". G'nite! Enjoy the field research!

jack> Thanks for your chair and chat tips!

jack> ACTION walkin w/ Rene towards the door

jack> correction Renoir

Renoir> Oh, wait, where is Pac Spirit??

jack> Isn't that where you said you saw the info about my existence? In that catalog?

Renoir> Oh, that was Whole Life, I see now, there's a Pacific Spirit written above it. OK will do.

jack> Pacific Spirit Whole Life Products?

jack> Thanks man, I 'preciate it! :-)

jack> Bon soir!

Renoir> Got it bye bye.
jack> ACTION hittin the lites and closing the door til next time