• Present for this chat were Rene (Ontario CANADA), Drew (Michigan USA), Fred (Utah USA), and Jack (Oregon USA).
• Rene shares a non-ejaculatory, Multi-Orgasmic success story!!!
• Drew also reports very strong and pleasurable sensations, but at times experiences nausea and wonders what this might mean.
• Jack suggests that the nausea may be an indicator of energy blockage, and explores the ramifications of this with Drew and the group.
• Jack introduces the concept of the "One-Item Checklist", somewhat tongue-in-cheek, as a means of analyzing difficulties or unsatisfactory results in one's Male Multiple Orgasm practice.
• Drew continues a report of his recent experiences, including some very powerful, pleasurable experiences that happened WITHOUT erection!
• Drew ponders how it is that he's experiencing many feelings associated with orgasm, yet somehow is not quite describing these experiences as "orgasm".

jack> Hi Rene!

Rene> Hi Drew

jack> Howdy Drew!

Drew> Hi Rene, Jack!

Drew> What's the topic tonight guys?

Rene> Success stories?

Drew> Oh, COOL!

jack> Who's gonna go first?

Rene> I think I have successfully had two MMO's since we last spoke

jack> Excellent!!! Congratulations! Pls tell us more! Drew, I take it you're cool with passing the Talking Stick to Rene! n'est-ce pas?

Drew> Oui!

Rene> C'est ok!

jack> Bon, vas y donc!

Rene> I was doing two things wrong previously which I shall outline:

Rene> I believe I was making the key sound incorrectly,

Rene> I was 'singing' it, that is engaging my vocals chords, rather than 'breathing' it

Rene> Second, I was not exaggerating the valley breath enough

Rene> when I finally got the hang of it I could really feel the

Rene> transfer of energy into my chest Comment?

jack> How did you recognize that you needed to change something, and what changes did you actually make that made your experience different?

Rene> Well previously I was not getting enough of a 'buzz' from the

Rene> key sound, and I listened to your examples again and realized

Rene> I was not really breathing, I was making the key sound in such a way that I could make the sound

Rene> for 40 seconds if I wanted to

Rene> Now it lasts only several seconds

jack> By "singing" vs "breathing", do you mean something like with the "singing" the sound was coming from your throat, and now it feels like the sound

jack> is coming from your chest or lower?

Rene> Definitely, now it is more like a thrust of air rather than a controlled outburst

Drew> I'll be paying attention to this on my next 'practice', ovr.

Rene> Also I felt a novel feeling when I really exaggerated the valley breath,

Rene> previously I was pulling my gut in a little and drawing the air

Rene> in my chest, but when I really exaggerated the pulling in of my

Rene> gut, I felt a strange warmth drawn up into my chest that I did not feel before.

jack> That's really terrific that you're on the lookout for this

jack> or rather "those" different good feelings, and that you're discovering them!

jack> I'm a little unclear about the difference between a thrust of air and controlled outburst, can you say more about how they differ?

Rene> It is not a major difference, but an apparently important subtle

Rene> difference for me at least, before when I was making the key

Rene> sound I was engaging my vocals chords a fair bit,

Rene> but I discovered if I backed off the vocal chords and made

Rene> a softer Key Sound™ as you demonstrate in the audio seminars, I got a much more satisfying buzz,

Drew> Me too!

jack> Well, I would say that it is a subtle AND MAJOR difference!

jack> Your pointing out that you got a stronger

jack> "Echo" response or buzz when you _backed off_ from PUSHING... this to

jack> me is a VERY IMPORTANT tip!!!

jack> Cool! here comes Fred! Hi there!

Drew> Howdy Fred!

Rene> Hi Fred

Fred> Hi, Jack and others!

jack> Fred, Rene is just in the middle of reporting a success story!

Rene> When I had the first MMO, I had first had

Rene> another type of orgasm a few seconds earlier,

Rene> one, in which the penis contracts, however

Rene> I persisted with the Key Sound and the

Rene> Male Multiple Orgasm surged for several seconds without the penis contracting.

jack> Can you describe that surging in a little more detail?

Rene> In the past the extremely pleasant surge always preceded by

Rene> contracting of the penis, with or without ejaculate

Rene> but the Male Multiple Orgasm orgasm was independent of the penis contracting.

Rene> The surge was similar to the orgasmic surge felt before normal

Rene> ejaculorgasm, but my concentration was entirely on the base of

Rene> my penis.

jack> Was it a single surge or pulse?

Rene> It was a long trailing surge, followed by another long trailing surge.

jack> Cool! What made you say to yourself, "I think this is what he's talking about"?

Rene> I have to say that since experimenting with this MMO

Rene> technique I have introduced a LOT of new pleasant experiences

Rene> to my genital area. The reason I thought 'this must be it'

Rene> was because I did not feel the muscular penile contractions

Rene> associated with ejaculorgasm.

jack> ...But you _were_ feeling...what?

Rene> I was feeling an orgasmic surge in the base/testicle area of

Rene> my genitals, also I was extremely aware of the link between my

Rene> breath and the Key Sound™, when I inhaled during the orgasm

Rene> I felt I might lose it, and have a regular ejaculorgasm.

jack> So how did you "take care of" that concern?

Rene> I carefully did a valley breath followed by keysound. By

Rene> the time I had done this twice it was over.

jack> Wow!!! That's a great report!!! Fred, and Drew, I'm wondering what ?'s and comments _you_ might have about Rene's story?

Fred> You've inspired me, Rene.ovr

Drew> Me too!

Rene> I should mention that I had taken a 'holiday' from practicing

Rene> because I was wearing myself out.

jack> I'm glad you mentioned that!

jack> Pacing yourself in this practice is VERY important!

Drew> I'm going to track these things next time

Rene> Also I felt completely energized, as opposed to depleted.

jack> To me that's a VERY IMPORTANT marker for this kind of orgasm!

Drew> after my recent hiatus, I'm back with a vengence...

jack> Vengence?

jack> ;-) I hear ya tho!

Drew> and although I don't believe I've experienced MMO,

Drew> I'm having a great time hangin' out 'at the gate'

Drew> My scrotal area seems to be getting

Drew> more and more sensitve,

Drew> and I enjoy stimulating the area in various ways

Drew> from light touch, to vigorous rubbing.

jack> The Awakening continues!

Drew> Listening to Rene, reminds me of something I've noticed...

Drew> that is, I don't really get much of a sense of energy rising in my chest.

Drew> I've also noticed that I can make a difference in this

Drew> by using the position you suggest for practice. However

Drew> this is a slightly uncomfortable position for me (a Furrball perhaps). Then I get

Drew> the sense that energy 'shoots' up to my head

Drew> and I have an uncomfortable sensation in my throat, and a feeling of nausea that

Drew> I believe I've mentioned previously.

Drew> Comments? Ovr.

Fred> My throat sometimes gets dry.ovr

jack> So you're saying it's when you're in

jack> the "slightly uncomfortable" position (I assume you mean on your back, knees bent), that you both feel the energy shoot to your head and it's at this

jack> same time that you feel the nausea?

Drew> Specifically, with a pillow under my back, so that my

Drew> chest is pushed forwards and 'open', and my head is tipped

Drew> slightly backwards. ovr.

jack> Thanks for the clarification on that. Are you saying that the nausea occurs before, during, or after you have the experience of the energy shooting to your head?

Drew> It's during, I also experience a kind of hot flash. ovr.

jack> OK, and when you feel that energy surge up your spine (correct assumption?) to your head, what does your breath do? What does your voice do?

Drew> It's also an assumption of mine, that the energy moves up my spine...

Drew> as far as I can recall, my breath and voice don't really change at this point

Drew> I only seem to get into trouble in this area when I use too much stimulation. ovr.

jack> Into trouble?

Drew> You know, the change in breathing pattern and the sense of having to 'go for it', ovr.

jack> When this is happening, what's your use of the Key Sound like?

Drew> It's more like a moan than anything else, ovr.

jack> So when this is happening, you're not really making the two-part Key Sound™ as I demonstrate in the audio seminars?

Drew> No! ovr.

jack> No you ARE making the Key Sound, or no you are NOT making the K.S.?

Drew> Not in the 'go for it' mode, ovr.

jack> I'm sorry, I'm unclear here. What I'm asking is are you using a complete Key Sound with regular breaths in between at the time the energy surge to your head (and the nausea) occur?

Drew> For a while... Then I guess I have a sense that I'll loose control...

Drew> and can't seem to keep going, ovr.

jack> Drew, there are 3 things I'd like to explore more with you, if Rene and Fred will bear with me on this...

Fred> Absolutely. Proceed.ovr

Drew> Oooooo.K! Cautiously,ovr.

jack> First, Drew, you're talking about that energy surging to your head has always been

jack> a very powerful image, it has always struck a very powerful note with me! And it is

jack> very familiar!!! It's clear that there is a LOT of energy ON THE MOVE in you when this is happening!

jack> But that nausea! To me that suggests that the natural path of the energy is blocked by

jack> something... so whenever something is not working right in this practice, I come back

jack> to that same ol' checklist, with basically two items on it: what's the breathing like? What's the quality of the Key Sound?

jack> If you look back thru the transcripts from this past year, when people report difficulties with the practice, or "nothing's happening", or it's not quite ALL the way there, etc., I

jack> keep coming back to the same question! And the KEY is usually the KEY Sound!

jack> So... this is a general suggestion for all of us:

jack> whenever something in the practice doesn't seem to be workin right, go to the

jack> checklist... item 1: status of Key Sound. Am I still able to make a COMPLETE Key Sound?

jack> If not, time to SLOW DOWN, but __just enough__ to where I AM able once again to make the COMPLETE Key Sound.

jack> And I hope you'll also see that by asking that ? about quality of the Key Sound in that moment, you become more aware

jack> of possible furballs... fears of losing control, etc.

jack> I've got a coupla thots about those concerns too, but I'd just like to take a moment to

jack> say "over" and get your thots and feelings about what I've sed so far. OH VERRR! :-)

Rene> That position is not the only one for MMO's, right?

Rene> I have a theory that the body learns fairly well on its own

jack> Rene, the on-the-back position is NOT a requirement, it's simply

jack> a position that can help get things started...

Rene> I thought Drew might try a different position.

Drew> Any suggestions, Rene?

Rene> Try seated, with your legs pulled up.

Drew> I'm curious about what might be 'blocking' the energy flow...

Drew> As usual, Jack, your back to the basics advice is very appropriate

Drew> the 'losing control' thing does seem to be a furrball for me, ovr.

jack> Yes, Drew, copy on that losing control issue... I think that's the source of the

jack> nausea... or MIGHT be...

Rene> I've got to go, nice talking to you all

Fred> So long, Rene!ovr

Rene> Ciao

jack> Hey, Rene, thanks for dropping by, and for sharing that terrific success story, AND for your suggestions and descriptions!

Drew> Bye Rene, hope you can join us again soon!

jack> Hope you'll check back in with us!

jack> Was the different position suggestion helpful, Drew?

Drew> Yes, I might try it next time, ovr.

jack> Meanwhile, if I may, I'd like to chat with you a bit more about

jack> how the Key Sound is the tool that reveals where the furballs are!

Drew> Go ahead, ovr.

jack>Whenever something doesn't seem to be working right, check status of the Key Sound...

jack> wherever you notice yourself BLOCKING or unable to make that

jack> Key Sound, that's the edge of your growth. It's either a furball (unresolved emotional wound, shame, guilt about pleasure, etc.), or it may be at that moment the physical limit

jack> of how much erotic charge your body can handle.

jack> So in the situation you described, something wasn't right... the nausea... so we do the

jack> (1-item) checklist: Key Sound status check: presto! Fear of losing control... Do you gents see how that is

jack> a fairly straightforward protocol for guidance along the path to MMO?

Fred> I believe I am clear.ovr

jack> Thanks! Drew, do you get the idea of that little protocol?

Drew> Yes I do , ovr.

jack> Great!!! So... that brings us to the issue... the fear of losing control. Can you say more about

jack> what that fear is like in that moment when the energy is surging to your head, but you

jack> find yourself holding back from making a complete Key Sound?

Drew> Well, physically, it feels uncomfortable, not really pleasant...

jack> do you mean the nausea, or something else?

Drew> Copy: nausea. I would say the furrball though, is to do with

Drew> expression of such powerful emotion vocally, and even just being open

Drew> to FULLY experiencing those powerful feelings (after a lifetime

Drew> of 'controling' and suppressing them,) ovr.

jack> ooooh I hear you loud and clear on that one, brother!

jack> Let's look at this nausea phenomenon from an energy standpoint for a moment...

jack> You've awakened all of this energy in your body,

jack> it's SURGING upward, up up up your spine, all the way to your head... it has a LOT of

jack> momentum!!! But now there's this fear you're holding in your body... and that

jack> fear, trying to protect you, HOLDS BACK the energy from flowing in its natural orgasmic path,

jack> but that energy HAS to go SOMEWHERE! So if it's not happening as ejaculation, and that old fear is still trying to protect you and so the natural energetic path (i.e. through Key Sound!) is not open,

jack> then... where can it go? Into a physical symptom!!! Such as n a u s e a... ovr

Drew> That makes a lot of sense to me...

jack> Of course once the nausea starts happening, it can feed the fear...

jack> That's why it's really important, IMHO, to GET that little protocol

jack> into our cells, that when something in the practice aint goin' right, check in on the

jack> Key Sound. If you're not able to make it, it does NOT mean you are a failure or anything, it

jack> is simply _showing you_ another wound that is seeking healing!

Drew> so the K.S. is the way through this!

jack> Yes, Drew, that's why I call it the KEY sound, because it is the KEY that opens the non-ejaculatory, multi-orgasmic Gates...

jack> on it's way to the Gates however,

jack> it will also show you what issues/feelings need some healing!

Drew> Yeah, it's that full blown expression that seems to be blocked

Drew> from coming out (hence flowing), ovr.

jack> I hear you! Have you ever tried working with a pillow to make the sound into?

Drew> Ooh, that might be helpful

Drew> and perhaps I can channel more energy that way, ovr.

jack> Yeah, what has worked for me is to just rest it lightly

jack> on my face, and then when I feel the sound coming on strong, I just direct it

jack> right into the pillow. Yes, I think you might very well be able to channel more

jack> energy that way! Also, re: the practice that leads to the nausea... the nausea is a

jack> definite slow down message. And you've got the msg now about what the issue is, the sound, fear, etc. So now I'd suggest you work with allowing a LITTLE more sound, using the pillow, etc.,

jack> and experiment with taking the Key Sound a LITTLE further in the practice you do that has led to the spinal surges. But see if you can keep it back of that zone where the nausea sets in.

jack> In other words, see if you can re-direct a LITTLE more of that energy each time. Does that make sense?

Drew> Yes it does, ovr.

jack> Great! Just focus on GENTLY taking that Key Sound practice into a LITTLE bit higher levels of arousal each time. Gently push your boundary on that. But if you get signals like

jack> nausea, etc., that's a sign to stop for the time being! On the other hand, by gently taking

jack> the COMPLETE Key Sound practice to slightly higher levels, you may very well tend

jack> to experience a wider variety of sensations at higher levels of intensity. By the way,

jack> if you didn't have the nausea going on, how would you characterize the OTHER sensations that are happening at that time?

Drew> Major tingling all over my body, and a kinda mild feverish type sweat

Drew> and a sense of being hot, ovr.

jack> Besides the nausea, are any of the other sensations unpleasant or uncomfortable?

Drew> No, I don't recall them being so, ovr.

jack> So they're more in the "pleasant" column?

Drew> Yes. And down in the genital area, I experience some wonderful

Drew> sensations

Fred> Please excuse me if I go now, Drew and Jack.

Fred> I won't be here next week, but will return in two weeks.

Fred> Handshakes and hugs to you both.

jack> Fred... sorry about your need to leave! I was hoping to hear from you a little bit more tonite!

Drew> Takin' off Fred? Take care till next time

jack> pls continue Drew...

Drew> this area seems to be the source of the energy

Drew> I might add that, typically my penis is not erect when this is happening...

jack> Wow that last part is VERY IMPORTANT information as well!!!

jack> Well, remember all of those characteristics of orgasm we discussed July 24?

Drew> which is an indication that I'm channelling most of the energy away from that area

Drew> Copy: Jly 24th, ovr.

jack> Yes! I agree about the lack of erection indicating that the energy is being channeled elsewhere! Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt your flow, pls continue...

Drew> I can't really think of how else to

Drew> describe the sensations... words can be so limiting at times, ovr.

jack> Yes, that's where poetry and art begin! :-)

jack> Of all the stuff that you reported, OTHER than the nausea,

jack> were there any of those sensations that matched items on your "orgasm checklist" of the July 24th chat?

Drew> Not really sure....

Drew> the thing is, the sensations are full body rather than

Drew> just in the genital area, and in many ways are more pleasureable

Drew> than ejaculorgasms (of which I've been having some Humdingers!), ovr.

jack> Maybe if you get a chance this week you could look over that orgasm characteristics list ( see July 24 transcript) again, and see if any of the

jack> sensations you've reported tonite fit the list... OTHER than the nausea, of course!

jack> More pleasurable than (some) ejaculorgasms, yet you don't consider them orgasms...

jack> why not?

Drew> Strangely, I don't, I don't really know why...

jack> How about percolatin on that one for this week?

Drew> perhaps it's something to do with

Drew> a sense that there's even more pleasure.... just around the

Drew> next corner (furrball), ovr.

Drew> Oh, and unlike an ejaculorgasm

Drew> it's NOT finite!, ovr.

jack> I think your intuition that there's still more is true! I also would like to invite you to consider

jack> how all of these sensations you've been experiencing don't "count" as orgasm for you yet... this _may_ be what Deepak Chopra calls a "premature cognitive commitment"! :-)

jack> Our conscious mind is often the last to realize...

jack> And nausea is definitely NOT orgasmic!

jack> ...but all of that OTHER stuff!!! ???

jack> Care to perk on that this week?

Drew> Oh Yeah!

jack> You are a champion pioneer, my friend!

Drew> It takes one to know one!!!

jack> :-) Thanks, Brother! As always, it's been a great gift for you to be here tonite! I feel like we got a lot of clarification... I know _I_ did! You guys sure teach me a lot!

Drew> It's a pleasure to be part of your 'research & development' team, ovr.

jack> Tuff duty, to be sure! Oh well, back to field research for another week! BIG hugs to you, man!

Drew> ACTION Returning BIG HUG!

jack> We're makin some big his-story in our quiet little corner of cyberspace!

Drew> I like to think so.

jack> Me2. C.U. next wk I hope. Be gentle with yourself this week!

Drew> I don't think it's ultimately resricted to the 'net'

Drew> Human Consciousness is changing here...

jack> G R O K!!!

Drew> copy: gentle

jack> attaboy! :-)

jack> it really does work!

Drew> See Ya! next time, ovr.

jack> Remember how Rene

jack> was saying it was when he eased up on the PUSH that the REALLY powerful feelings happened? a powerful paradox... orgasmically powerful paradox...

Drew> There's that lesson in letting go again.

jack> yep, it keeps comin around, doesn't it? Well, I gotta bail, my friend. This has been an

jack> EXCELLENT session once again. Thank you for being such a great part of it!

Drew> You're welcome, thanks for providing the platform for it, ovr.

jack> You're welcome for that! It's my pleasure. Have a great week!

Drew> You too! I'm outta here!

jack> ACTION hangin a sign on the door, "Back Thursday at 1000 Greenwich Mean Time"