• Jack begins by encouraging Murfe from Alaska to take a look at the http://www.multiples.com/orgasmwiki/Main_Page™ page.
• He then goes on to encourage Murfe to begin by working with the Key Sound at very low volume, and with no direct erotic stimulation at first; then to separate each Key Sound with at least 3 or 4 regular breaths between each Key Sound.
• By focusing on making the Key Sound correctly, so that you notice a certain resonance, you begin to awaken the multi-orgasmic energy pathways.
• Jack also introduces Murfe to the concept of learning to look for any good feelings which may happen in response to working with the Key Sound. These good feelings are what Jack refers to as the "Echo Effect." That is, they are your body's automatic response to using the Key Sound at the proper time. [For demonstration of the Key Sound, and a clear introduction to the basic concepts of its use, order Jack's globally popular Audio Seminar™ which is offered with a no-questions-asked money back guarantee.]
• He underscores that these good feeling responses are the feedback your own body gives you to let you know you are on track.
• Murfe has an AHA! awareness when Jack explains that the pivotal concept of all of this is in learning how to direct your rising erotic energy out through the Key Sound, rather than through your penis in the form of ejaculation. That is, learn how to use the Key Sound to give the pent up ready-to-explode energy somewhere to go (i.e., out through sound) rather than out through ejaculation!
• Jack clarifies that the Valley Breath that automatically occurs when one correctly makes the Key Sound is the opposite of diaphragmatic breathing. Diaphragmatic breathing usually involves expanding the lower belly on the INhale, whereas the automatic muscle movements accompanying a Key Sound involve expanding the lower belly on the EXhale.
• Jack concludes Session One by encouraging Murfe to review transcripts of the recent coaching chats for more information. [That is the purpose of this Male Multiple Orgasm Annotated Chat Archives Index!]
• Session Two: Fred from Utah learns how to recognize multiples when they happen!
• Fred asks Jack about how this ability to experience multiple orgasms may actually have survival value for our species
• Fred and Jack discuss a phone conversation Fred recently had with R.D. where R.D. discussed how learning Male Multiple Orgasm helped him develop the first sexually intimate relationship with another that he'd had in nine years, AND this even though R.D. usually doesn't experience erections!
• Jack elaborates further about the "social/cultural survival value" of Male Multiple Orgasm, and how healing the "furballs" (emotional wounds) that may arise while learning this practice can then make a person more emotionally available for bonding with another.
• Next, is a very informative dialogue about HOW TO TELL WHEN THE ORGASMS ARE ACTUALLY HAPPENING!
• Fred learns that in fact he may already be experiencing non-ejaculatory multiple orgasms! Jack encourages him to continue the process of converting the rising energy into Key Sound , NO MATTER HOW STRONG THE FEELINGS GET rather than stopping the process to try to make himself avoid ejaculating.
• Jack re-emphasizes that ejaculating during this practice is not a "failure" and shouldn't be worried about, since you can learn how to experience these kinds of orgasms both before and after ejaculating.
• Fred and Jack discuss how these orgasms may differ from an orgasm with ejaculation, especially in that these kinds of orgasms often leave one energized rather than tired, as is often the case with ejaculatory orgasm.Veteran Male Multiple Orgasm'er Mike from Oregon checks in briefly with some additional suggestions for Fred

SESSION ONE

jack> You made it! Welcome!
Murfe> Hello
jack> Where are you "calling" from?
Murfe> Valdez, Alaska
jack> Excellent!!! You're our very first from AK! How did you hear about this discussion?
Murfe> I've listened to the tape and read the booklet. The address was in the booklet.
jack> Good deal! May I ask where you got the tape and booklet? Then I'll be happy to
jack> answer YOUR questions!
Murfe> I ordered the book from a catalog which escapes me.
jack> ok no prob...
jack> Was the tape and booklet helpful?
Murfe> Well I didn't find any area along the cord that was sensitive.
jack> That's pretty typical in the beginning. There are a couple of thoughts I'd like
jack> to share with you, since I'm not sure how much of the web site material you've had
jack> a chance to read. Couple of points to make sure you have that were not in the
jack> tape and booklet. Would that be ok to begin?
Murfe> Yes!
jack> :-) Here goes!
jack> First, if you haven't had a chance, take a look at the three Very Important Tips
jack> articles on the Web site. They go into detail about how to work with the
jack> breath and sound more effectively. First important point: it's actually more
jack> effective for most guys to begin by working with the Key Sound™ at
jack> _very low volume_ and with _no_ erotic stimulation! Coupled with that is a second
jack> important point to use 3 or 4 REGULAR breaths between EACH time you use the
jack> Key Sound. Also, many have found it helpful to concentrate on practicing the
jack> Key Sound correctly (so it feels like, "Yeah! THAT's it!") rather than trying to
jack> _consciously_ get your stomach muscles to move in the way I describe in the tape.
jack> If you are making the Key Sound
jack> correctly, the stomach muscles will _automatically_ move more or less in the ways
jack> I describe in the Audio Seminar tape. Is this info helpful?
Murfe> OK, I've tried the Key Sound. It's similar to what I've had in voice lessons.
jack> You mean like "diaphragmatic breathing"?
Murfe> Yes. I was having difficulty in projecting a wisper across a room
Murfe> and the diaphram breathing was taught then.
jack> What have you noticed when you practice the Key Sound?
Murfe> Nothing stimulating. A harmonic vibration in the body.
jack> Was the harmonic vibration pleasant or unpleasant?
Murfe> Oh very pleasant.
jack> Great!!! That's the beginning!!! I'd like to encourage you to take a look at
jack> the chat transcripts on the web site where we talk about the meaning of "different
jack> good feelings." The transcripts are all in an annotated index on the site. Meanwhile,
jack> would you say these very pleasant feelings were something familiar to you, or were
jack> they new or different in some way?
Murfe> familiar to me.
jack> How so?
Murfe> Aug... that's hard to explain.
jack> I hear ya! :-) We've been finding that these good feelings that you
jack> feel in response to working with the Key Sound are the thread that will lead to
jack> the experience of multiples. For most guys this does not happen real quickly. It's a
jack> process (speaking hypothetically) of awakening your body's genetic MEMORY of how
jack> to handle the rising erotic energy in this way. Most of us men are used to moving
jack> rather quickly from the first stimulation thru ejaculorgasm. This process is different,
jack> and usually more subtle. But an important key is to notice ANY good feelings that
jack> occur in response to using the Key Sound. As an overview, if you start
jack> by using the Key Sound very softly, with no erotic stimulation, till the sound seems
jack> to resonate and you get some kind of positive response (what I call an "Echo") from
jack> your physical self. Then as you gradually begin adding erotic stimulation and
jack> the energy starts to rise, whenever you feel yourself "turning on" a little more, express
jack> the pent up energy through the Key Sound. Then take at least 3 or 4 regular breaths
jack> between each Key Sound, and use this time to tune in to those Echoes. Does that make sense?
Murfe> Yes.
jack> Great! The pivotal concept is to learn how to CONTINUE to express the ever-rising
jack> erotic energy through the Key Sounds, _no matter how intense they get_.
jack> There will then be a natural
jack> tendency for the sound to get louder as there is more and more energy in your
jack> body, wanting release. Basically the idea is to release the erotic energy through
jack> the Key Sound and accompanying Valley Breath INSTEAD of through your penis
jack> in the form of ejaculation. Does that hypothesis resonate to you?
Murfe> Ohh, I'm getting the idea now.
jack> Yesssssss!!! :-)
Murfe> Thanks, I've got to go make some mud.
Murfe> I'm call from work. Mud is concrete.
jack> OK!!!! Thanks so much for checkin in! I hope you'll check in again. Meanwhile
jack> if you'll email me your snail address I'll snail you a "sneak preview" copy of the
jack> Third Edition of the Audio Seminar and Guide Book which will be released officially
jack> in about a month. OK? BTW what is your age? (and I know you gotta go!)
Murfe> 42
jack> OK Murfe, remember we do another chat at 6pm PDT tonite (til at least 7:30) and
jack> I'll be back here next Wed, same time, same station!!!
Murfe> OK.
jack> Ok, bud, go mix a load!!! And enjoy your practice!!!
jack> Do you know how to unhook from the channel? On a new line type /quit
jack> One comment I didn't get to make before Murfe had to bail was that as I understand
jack> the diaphragmatic breathing of voice training, the Valley Breath I'm talking about
jack> is actually the OPPOSITE. I believe dia.brthg expands the lower belly on the INhale,
jack> whereas the breath I'm talking about expands the lower belly on the EXhale of a Key Sound breath
jack> which in effect seems to push down on the pelvic floor. It's very important to keep
jack> in mind that you don't have to concentrate on consciously trying to make your
jack> belly move correctly! Just practice that Key Sound™ (softly at first! and don't forget the regular
jack> breaths between each Key Sound breath!!!) and your stomach muscles will take care of themselves!
jack> Also, I urge you to review the chats where we've discussed this in more detail.


CHAT 0028 SESSION TWO
jack> Hi Fred!
Fred> Hi, Jack!
jack> How are you this evening?
Fred> I'm trying to get rid of the last vestiges of a cold.
Fred> And you?
jack> Glad to hear it's down to the last vestiges! I had a brief but enjoyable chat at
jack> our noon session with a fellow from Valdez Alaska!
Fred> Excellent!
Fred> I presume it will be on the net to print.ovr
jack> The transcript of that session will also be up on the Web site by tomorrow nite, listed
jack> as Session One, today's date.
jack> I'd like to know your thoughts, experiences since our last chat and after you had
Fred> I like your new tape very much.
jack> a chance to read the transcript (sorry about the crashed server delays...)
jack> Oh you do? Wonderful!!!
Fred> I have read the transcript many times.
Fred> I have thoughts about grounding, and other questions.
jack> Well, please, let me pass you the Talking Stick! I'd love to hear more about what you liked
jack> about the new Audio Seminar and Guide Book, as well as thots on the transcript... pls, proceed!
jack> ACTION passing Fred the Talking Stick
Fred> The new tape is more sensuous than the other. We don't waste time talking about women's having semen-like fluid.
jack> Copy on both points!
jack> It's important
jack> for people to know that some women
Fred> On it, you state again that the Male Multiple Orgasm sensations have something to do with survival. Please explain this to me.
jack> actually can ejaculate, but it wound up being more of a sidebar so I removed it from
jack> this edition. I was trying to make the point simply that men's and women's sexuality are
jack> much more similar (including the ability to have multiple orgasms!!!) than most of us have
jack> been led to believe... I'm glad you found this edition of the Audio Seminar to be more sensuous! Now, on to "survival"!
jack> Would you say that it's generally agreed that most evolutionary patterns, especially
jack> if they have persisted across many generations, would likely have some survival value?
Fred> I don't know. I have never thought of it that way. Evolution teaches survival. So, therefore, if something in the organism has survived, it must have something to do with survival.
Fred> Is that right?
jack> That's more or less been my understanding... it can get murky though, because
jack> we wind up debating the survival value of... music... beauty... etc. I believe that
jack> these phenomena may ALSO have survival value... _cultural_ survival value... which in a way
jack> could more or less be the attempt of a conscient species to have a "group mind" survive and evolve... anyway, multiple orgasms
jack> it seems _have_ been talked about or at least alluded to in Tantra, certain martial arts, etc. for many generations... it raises
jack> the question of whether sex without procreation has any survival value at all! One line
jack> of thot on that is that sex, even without procreation, (and depending on circumstances, may be even MORE SO!) DOES have survival value to the group since it
jack> promotes social bonding... any of that resonate?
Fred> The social bonding requires two people (or more). It seems most of the guys who come on here (no pun intended) are singles.ovr
jack> Good point! Altho it might be argued that a healthy (or at least healthiER) sexual experience may contribute
jack> a great deal to an individual's ability to interact in society, even if they are not partnered.
Fred> I believe that and it is my hope to achieve it through mmo.
Fred> By the way, I forgot to congratulate you on your ninth wedding anniversary. Also, I noticed that bonding is stressed more on the new tape.
jack> Thanks! Re: bonding, I wanted to emphasize that working with Male Multiple Orgasm in this way I believe
jack> helps a great deal in facilitating greater intimacy, INCLUDING WITH ONESELF! RE: your hope...
jack> R.D. has quite a tale to tell about how learning Male Multiple Orgasm dramatically changed his life in this way!
jack> He's been awfully
Fred> I believe he told me when we met on the telephone.
jack> busy lately but I'm hopin he'll make it back here one of these days soon to tell
jack> more of his story...
jack> Right! He probably did! I hope he'll return here and tell it "for the record."
Fred> He told me about his super new relationship and his success even after having been impotent.
jack> Yeah! He really went through some powerful emotional changes as he opened up
jack> to mmo! It took away nearly all of his performance anxiety, and he
jack> found a wonderful understanding partner who has really tuned in to this energy as well. I believe he
Fred> We both agreed on how highly we think of you.ovr
jack> said it was his first sexual relationship in something like nine years!
jack> ACTION blushing
jack> Thanks! :-)
jack> I believe that healing the furballs
jack> that can come up during this practice... the guilts, shames, fears, painful memories, etc. all
jack> can go a long way to helping one feel more fully alive, AND can make one more
jack> emotionally available to another if that's "in the cards..."
jack> Also the ability to
jack> channel ever greater amounts of erotic energy, to develop an increasing
jack> ability to hold a bigger erotic charge, gives one the option to have a much broader
jack> erotic experience both with oneself and potentially with a partner. ovr
Fred> I follow you and hope this will come true for me.
jack> So Be It! Speaking of which... what other thots and feelings did you have reading
jack> the transcript from last wk?
Fred> Since I'm the only one with you, shall I describe my current situation?ovr
jack> Please...
Fred> You may remember that you recommended that Drew and I do as the other customarily does.
Fred> By this, I should spend longer periods of time and Drew shorter.
jack> Yeah, I suggested you both might explore that as a way of expanding your options.
Fred> OK, I've tried to take it easier and begin practise thinking that I have all the time in the world.
jack> ...and what happened?
Fred> I get "on line" rather quickly, and too quickly, I'm shaking, shivering, shouting, haveing intense pleasure, but no climax. My picture of having an Male Multiple Orgasm climax is "relaxing into it" with the key sound, as you say. Where I'm at is a long way from that.
jack> Can you describe what the "having intense pleasure" is like... do you feel completely conscious the whole time? Any body sensations or movements which feel automatic, or
jack> not consciously chosen?
Fred> Yes, the shaking and shivering, and the sort of upward pushing, as if copulating from the lower position, are quite spontaneous.ovr
Fred> I do not feel I am in control of my breathing, however.
jack> What's it like when it feels out of control?
Fred> It feels like I am madly going toward ejaculation (which I have more or less avoided).ovr
jack> Is the breathing fast or slow, deep or shallow, erratic? etc.?
Fred> Fast -- until I control it to slow it down and try to direct Key Sounds.ovr
jack> Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly... you start with the Key Sounds, add some stimulation, continue the Key Sounds for a while (with regular breaths in between), but then you
jack> rather quickly get more and more turned on and at some point you discover
jack> you are no longer using the Key Sound... then you try to slow it down and use the Key Sound... What parts of that did I get correctly and where did I misunderstand?
Fred> You got it pretty accurately. Also, Jack, I just remembered that when I was meditating the other day, I felt in my heart that I'll never be able to achieve it.
jack> Where do you think that's coming from?
Fred> A lack of confidence in myself, a lack of confidence in my ability to achieve, control things. But then you say to "yield" to the experience.ovr
jack> Do you ever feel you don't really deserve it?
jack> Because of past "faults" etc.?
Fred> I hadn't thought of that. I feel I do deserve it. Why not? After all, I have achieved lots of terrific things. But I've suffered for some of them too.ovr
jack> I'm glad to hear that you DO feel you deserve it! Just checkin on that frequency... One thing
jack> I'm aware of is your use of the words "achieve" and "control" in reference to learning mmo... It seems like several issues are coming up here
jack> I'd like to know more about
jack> those moments right when you shifted from being able to express the erotic
jack> energy you were feeling through the Key Sounds, and then suddenly you were no
jack> longer able to do so... can you describe that transition a little more?
Fred> I do not remember "not being able to do so." The reason I cease, lower my legs and relax is primarily when I want to avoid ejaculation (or perhaps I have had a small ejaculation).ovr
jack> Oh so the description I attempted above wasn't quite accurate then?
Fred> I don't remember this latter part in it.
jack> Are you saying that you are using the Key Sounds to express the energy all the way through to ejaculation, or until you decide to cease altogether?
Fred> I try to direct the energy that is going toward ejaculation into the Key Sound, as I thought you said we should do.ovr
jack> What do you mean by "energy that is going toward ejaculation"?
Fred> All the sexual energy that is making my body thrash around. At this moment, my body is not relaxed at all. It is tense.ovr
jack> So when you used the word "shouting" does that include Key Sounds?
Fred> YES!
jack> Ok... and how is what you're experiencing when you're in the throes of all this NOT like an orgasm?
Fred> It is like an orgasm in that it comes and comes and comes. But I do not feel it is an Male Multiple Orgasm climax. I've said before that I thought a climax is followed by a cessation, a relaxation.ovr
jack> So are you saying that the only difference between what you're experiencing and what you expect an Male Multiple Orgasm climax to be is that you don't relax, "afterwards" but instead it keeps happening?
Fred> I stop it from keeping happening in order to avoid ejaculation.ovr
jack> why?
jack> Fred, please "hold" your answer for a moment!
Fred> Because I understand that an Male Multiple Orgasm orgasm does not involve ejaculation. Right?ovr
jack> Please hold on a second, I have to "clear the buffers" by quitting the channel and returning... be right back, ok?
jack> I'm back... thanks for your patience. I lose screen display once the chat buffer
jack> gets about 25k in it... now... you said you consciously stop the flow in order to accomplish what?
Fred> To prevent ejaculation.ovr
jack> Does that work?
Fred> Yes. Above, I asked, is it not correct that an Male Multiple Orgasm climax does not involve ejaculation?
jack> It often may not, but if ejaculation DOES occur, it tends to be way more intense. ovr
Fred> So you say that I should just let the ejaculation happen and continue the Key Sounds and massage?ovr
jack> Yes! If you ejaculate, so be it! It's not a failure! It'll probably be more fun than usual! :-)
jack> Would you do me the favor of
jack> addressing that ? once again, now, of how is what you've been experiencing NOT
jack> like an orgasm?
Fred> After an orgasm, there is a letting down, a calming down, and, in my case, either soon after or later in the day, a real downer.ovr
jack> Whereas with what you've been experiencing lately is...?
Fred> I just stop all the activity, relax and rest.ovr
jack> B4 that...
Fred> B4 that, I have been physically and vocally very active.ovr
jack> Much of it automatic and much of it pleasurable?
Fred> Correct.ovr
jack> Is there anything ELSE that makes it NOT seem like orgasm to you?
Fred> I might add that in ejaculating, you go "beyond," out of your mind. This is not the case completely with where I am.ovr
jack> not completely? do you mean you do have some sense of beyond, out of your mind, just not completely?
Fred> That's about right. If you are ejaculating, you can't stop it. I can stop what I'm experiencing.ovr
jack> Immediately? Or does it take a few moments to "come down"?
Fred> A few moments, but they're not long moments.ovr
jack> Ok, you can stop the process if you choose, in just a few moments... after you've stopped, how are you feeling?
Fred> The spontaneous "pumping" feelings may continue or be revived. I feel relaxed, maybe tired.ovr
jack> Or be revived? What's it take to revive them?
Fred> Making new Key Sounds and reviving the stimulation.ovr
jack> Sounds to me like that Gate is pretty wide open, Fred! Please be aware that the
jack> sense of going "more completely beyond" seems to be "right there" for you, as long
jack> as you don't try to _stop_ the process and consciously try to avoid ejaculating!
jack> Does that suggest a possible course of action for you to explore next?
Fred> OK, Jack. I'll go with that. I'm going to explore trying to remain more relaxed, not "froth at the mouth," and see if I can induce the pleasure to increase more gradually.ovr
jack> Well, that's ok, but that's not where I was heading...
Fred> Where were you heading?ovr
jack> I think it's perfectly fine that you are "frothing at the mouth"! I would say continue on the very course you're on, except, DON'T STOP!
jack> Remember how I described this method
jack> as learning how to experience multiple orgasms withOUT consciously trying to
jack> hold back ejaculation?
Fred> I do. And I have no only held back, I have stopped enjaculation.ovr
jack> So... "stop stopping"!
jack> If you ejaculate, enjoy it! It's the stopping and the concern about "making sure"
jack> you don't ejaculate that seems to be getting in your way! Does that resonate at all?
Fred> OK. Jack, we've been going for one and a half hours. You have demonstrated to me in the past that my talking so much can and does help others. (I remember a guy in Boston or Maine saying so.) But you've got more to do tonight. Yes. That resonates.
jack> Please, if YOU'RE tired, just say so... I'm fine! Fred, I'm concerned that you really
jack> heard what I said about the conscious concern for trying to avoid ejaculating is exactly the roadblock... a possible solution will be to continue on from where you've usually been
jack> stopping yourself... continue to express the release through the Key Sound, even when you ejaculate if you do... ovr
Fred> I get it and I'll practise it. I am not tired, Jack.ovr
jack> attaboy! me either! must be all this Male Multiple Orgasm practice which gives us so much energy, eh? :-)
Fred> I certainly have practised a lot more this week.ovr
jack> What a wonderful gift to give to yourself! And you know what?
Fred> What?
jack> I think you're looking at "The Gate" from the other side!
Fred> Explain, please.ovr
mike> hello ?
jack> Hello Mike! Which "mike" are you (from which town)?
mike> Yatahey
jack> Mykal from Oregon!!! Ho brutha!
mike> Howdy ! Had a few between clients
Fred> I remember you, Mike.ovr
mike> Hi Fred !
jack> Glad you could drop by!
mike> Yo a show of support **
jack> I was just about to explain to Fred what I meant by "Fred, I think you're looking at
jack> 'The Gate' from the other side!"
jack> ok?
jack> ACTION shrugging, pickin up the Talking Stick...
jack> Fred, what I meant
jack> was that all of that sound, pleasure, thrashing about, at times being somewhat
jack> (although not yet completely) "beyond" or out of your (conscious) mind sounds like
jack> multiple orgasms to me!!!
jack> ovr!
Fred> OK, I'll accept that too and go with it. But I still expect something more . . . ovr
jack> no big deal, eh?
Fred> It's good, but I believe it's going to get better.ovr
mike> That's reaching for it fred !!
jack> Grok! The something more may "come" when you "don't stop"!
Fred> Let's hope so.ovr
jack> Skeptical?
Fred> I don't know. No, not really. I really believe.ovr
jack> I'm not concerned about faith, necessarily, altho I really applaud your _commitment_ to this
jack> process and to giving this to yourself, and sharing that journey with the others who read this... all of this pleasure and shouting and automatic undulations etc. isn't that all
jack> new since you've been doing this practice?
Fred> Absolutely. I didn't even masturbate!ovr
jack> Wow! Look at that journey you've made!!!
Fred> And I want to continue, deepen the experience -- love my fellow human beings more.ovr
jack> I sure look forward to your next "field research report"! When you give
jack> yourself the gift of NOT stopping! And I really like your agenda!!! It's a real honor to know you!
jack> ACTION placing Talking Stick in the center of the circle...
Fred> You know I feel the same about you. Just remember that when you don't hear from me while I'm away -- and it may be even a month -- -FRED- has not changed -- and that I'm practising in my van.ovr
jack> Great! If that van's a rockin, don't come a knockin, eh? :-)
mike> Road trip !
mike> Male Multiple Orgasm on the highway !!!
Fred> Yes, Mike. I'm really excited about it. No on the highway!ovr
mike> Ya Sorry that would be a bit distracting
mike> trying to drive ....ovr
Fred> A bit.ovr
jack> Fred I hope you'll keep in touch by phone once in a while, you can even leave a msg on
mike> Fred, I haven't been able
Fred> Although I practise the Key Sound and breathing while driving.ovr
jack> my machine, a field report if you will... I'm the only one who hears the msgs now...
mike> ah great !
jack> Yeah great idea re: the practice in car, as long as it doesn't distract you from your driving duties... otherwise, a road trip thru beautiful country can be VERY (multi!!!) orgasmic!
Fred> I hope so. Thanks, Mike and Jack.ovr
mike> HAve a wonderful trip and
mike> I look forward to hearing from
mike> you on your return !!
Fred> Thanks a lot, Mike. And how are _YOU_ doing?ovr
mike> I'm doing very well ! I have been
mike> busy with work and life challenges, but I do
mike> take some time to reconnect with myself and
mike> Male Multiple Orgasm helps !! ovr
mike> If I may >>>>>>>>?
Fred> Reconnect with myself! I really like that expression.ovr
mike> I find myself caught up
mike> in a lot of everyday nonsense and really
mike> feel lost sometimes, due mostly of not taking care of
mike> my needs...............Or taking time for me *
mike> I find that Male Multiple Orgasm helps me to get
Fred> Go on, Mike.ovr
mike> out of my head and back to listening to what
mike> my body needs. By getting out of my head I have
mike> found that Male Multiple Orgasm tends to flow . ovr
Fred> I would like to feel some "flow" from one session to another. Right now, I feel like it's all jerky and disconnected.ovr
jack> Once you let yourself continue the process instead
jack> of stopping to try to consciously prevent ejaculation, that may change...
Fred> Thanks, Jack. I hope so.ovr
jack> Mike, I really look forward
jack> to your impressions of Fred's description of his current experience which is at the
jack> beginning of the session. I'll email a copy to both of you as soon as the session is over...
Fred> Great, Jack.ovr
mike> Great ! Look forward to it...........Hey Fred !!
Fred> Yeah?ovr
mike> I found that I had to
mike> learn how to use my hands and body
mike> to keep the "energy Flowing" in a direction that
mike> sustains the space for MMO. What I mean
mike> is that we have learned for a long time , without thinking,
mike> how to masturbate, pleasure ourselves thru
mike> hand movement, now to rethink that
mike> and use the techniques Jack describes
mike> to stay in the flow and echo state will take
mike> you into and keep you at a wonderful Male Multiple Orgasm rythm. Hope that makes sense ?
Fred> You can be sure I'll study it and practice it until it make sense. I really appreciate it, Mike.ovr
Fred> At the present point, I'd say that rhythm is what I do not have. ovr
jack> But you _were_ describing automatic undulations!
mike> AH that's the space !!
Fred> True, but disjointed and definitely not rhythmic.ovr
jack> I'd say, keep goin'!
Fred> I shall!ovr
mike> Don't be too critical of the journey **
Fred> OK, Mike.ovr
mike> Everyone has their own rhythm *
mike> spell da !
Fred> I believe, in time, I'll find mine.ovr
jack> Fred I get this sense that you don't quite recognize how far along you actually are... that
jack> somehow you are focussed on some end point and, not feeling you've "achieved" it, feel
jack> disappointment that may be clouding the orgasmic pleasures you've already re-awakened... ovr
mike> That's the secret !!!! There is NO end point !!!
Fred> I'll keep that in mind, too, guys.ovr
mike> Hey guys , hate to party poop !
mike> Got to go make some people healthier !!
jack> Yeah I think we're about at the end of this session, unless there's anything else for now?
Fred> It's been great you've been here, Mike.ovr
jack> Ditto!
Fred> I'm fine, Jack.ovr
jack> k, Fred! Mike?
Fred> I'm glad you gave me the idea of calling you by telephone, Jack. I will.ovr
mike> You betcha !! Mitakye Oyasin .................See Ya
jack> Excellent Fred, so long Mike, thanks for stoppin by. We'll
Fred> Good night, Mike.ovr
jack> miss you Fred, safe, pleasurable journeys!
mike> Bye Fred...................C Ya "J"
Fred> Thanks. I'll keep you posted, and always appreciate our good friendship.ovr
jack> Likewise! bye for now...
Fred> Bye.
jack> ACTION huggin Fred bye
jack> ACTION skippin out the door, hangin a sign on it that says "Back at 11pm Pacific Daylight Time, 0600 GMT)"
(PS. Jack made it back and kept the discussion room open, but noone else showed tonite...)
jack> ACTION holding up a cybermegaphone and facing West: "C'mon y'all out in the Pacific Rim!!! I'm stayin up this late to give you a chance to join in!"