• Jack, MikeD, and Wayne check in with their experiences differentiating between Ejaculatory and NON-ejaculatory orgasms
• MikeD talks about the "Echo Effect" and how it affects his life, emotionally and physically Amazing synchronicity about SIGHS
• Jack talks about the Key Sound™ and how it triggers the "Echo Effect".
• Jack speaks more of the "ECHO EFFECT" and how it becomes a wavelike sensation in your body

jack> WELCOME TO THIS EVENINGS CHAT ON
jack> MULTIPLE ORGASM FOR MEN AND THEIR PARTNERS!
jack> G'mornin Mike!
mike> Good AM Jack !!
jack> top of the mornin!
jack> what news?
mike> Howdy Wayne !
wayne> hi mike
jack> anybody have any updates you'd care to share?
wayne> Male Multiple Orgasm are far superior to ejaculo/orgasms
jack> IYHO, yes?
mike> Not much new on my end Jack,
mike> But the energy is flowing
mike> in the right direction in my life!!!!
jack> That's definitely good to hear! Mike,
jack> what's your sense of comparison of your enjoyment of ejac/o's in comparison to
wayne> awoke to Male Multiple Orgasm this morning.....
jack> non-ejac o's?
jack> sounds like an excellent way to start the day, wayne!
wayne> thoughting that have been tied too long to ejacualtion
wayne> it was "natural" no thought to it
wayne> just witnessed it
jack> are you also saying that your experience of org's with ejac are less pleasurable...
wayne> too momentary.....
wayne> climatic....
wayne> that is what has to be released ....
wayne> the climatic release.....and tension
mike> Very true Wayne,
mike> but I have been aware lately
mike> how this effects
mike> my daily life, as with the
mike> "Echo effect"............
jack> and for me I find that I \experience
jack> orgasm WITH ejaculation more than I used to... it's more
jack> pleasurable usually than before I discovered MMO... now
jack> I may be in the flow with wave after wave of non-ejac orgasms and then
jack> at some point I feel the energy shift... I usually feel I have the
jack> option to use Key Sound at that point... I often do, to
jack> continue the non-ejac waves... sometimes though I let the "ejaculatory focus" energy
jack> build and let myself have that experience as well... it's often WAY more intense than
jack> it used to be!!! Then what often happens, is that
jack> AFTER the ejaculorgasm, the non-ejac mmo's continue... by allowing myself
jack> to work with my breath... they are usually right there... waiting to flow through
jack> The Gate...
wayne> is that a stimulated ejcaulo/orgams
mike> Jack do you find the
wayne> or a mental one
mike> intensity of the MMO's after ejac
mike> greater or just
mike> more readily available?
jack> w: some of both... usually a little stimulation... not usually very vigorous, Mike, re:
jack> the intensity and availability
jack> of more orgasms after ejac for me seems to be simply a function of
jack> my physical conditioning, and my overall level of energy or fatigue at a given
jack> time of day or night.
jack> Mike, I'd also like to respond to your comment about "Echo Effect"...
jack> in fact, what I'd like to do is start by asking you what that expression
jack> means to _you_...
mike> I feel ,,,,,that's a god start >>>
mike> but for the most part it is
jack> god start, I like that!
mike> HHMMm I'll think about that
mike> but
mike> I become aware
mike> of what my body responses to
mike> when I use the VB or Sound
mike> feeling the Echo response or effect
mike> lets my senses know if
mike> I am in a space for Male Multiple Orgasm or any other
mike> energy movement
mike> Like I had
mike> mentioned earlier, I find it to be a greater
mike> part of my life, a way to "walk my talk".....
wayne> do not use the vb or sound........laying down.....the feet feel enrgy and then it starts to move head ward...
mike> But in that light
wayne> alwasy like to lay down now....know what is going to follow
jack> yeah wayne, sounds like you've [in NLP terms] "anchored" the Male Multiple Orgasm experience set to
jack> your reclining body position... Mike, what is the Echo Effect for you in physical terms...
wayne> although they are also their when driving the car too.
mike> My body seems to open up
mike> when I use the valley breath,
mike> I can feel my skin tingle
mike> the it moves deeper to my
mike> muscles and then it
mike> becomes, well like it rides my nervous
mike> system, then starts to travel
mike> with a wave like motion
mike> from my lower spine to my head.......
jack> That sounds pretty similar to my exp mike... I have this image of the
jack> conscious, intentional use of the Key Sound acting like a
jack> wave OUTward and DOWNward towards my genital area and on down
jack> towards my feet... and for me the Echo Effect then feels like a wave coming
jack> back up my body... perhaps somewhat similar to what wayne is describing re: the
wayne> have always had a problem with techniques....
jack> energy coming up from his feet... copy techniques wayne... this has become a
jack> very easy way for me to awaken my erotic self... it is interesting
wayne> me too guess....
jack> to me that the description by a number of guys of these feelings is so often like
jack> a wave... or group of waves... mike, when you exp the Echo Wave(s), do you
jack> experience sound along with this, ever?
mike> Yes I do, it comes more
mike> from deep in my abdomen and emerges as
wayne> sometimes......there are sighs connected......
wayne> deep sighs
wayne> but not a sound per say
mike> through my out breath as a low sigh
jack> wow check THAT synchronicity, boys!
jack> you both seemed to have typed the comment
jack> about sighs at the same time! and
jack> I'm glad you both mentioned that "sighing" quality!
jack> Pray, do continue...
mike> I do notice, as the intensity
wayne> right now the orgasmic qulaity is cnetred in my heart
mike> spreads, it changes to a low groan or
mike> growl
mike> I have to admit that
mike> when I sigh during my
mike> day I get a little charge !
jack> It just occurred to me that
jack> in a way the sigh more or less takes over the DOWNward function that
jack> in the beginning the consciously intended Valley Breathing and Key Sounds
jack> were serving...
jack> sometimes for me the sigh can be
wayne> and now the quality is in my hands
jack> pretty strong, and VERY pleasurable...it seems to
jack> move from the sighing, sometimes with sound, sometimes just with a large
jack> volume of breath... and then the "Echo Waves" more or less flood back UP my
jack> body, usually accompanied by the moaning-changing-to-growling-changing-
jack> to-moaning, etc. that you described, mike... one thing I've noticed about
jack> these sounds for me, that is the "autonomic" or "not consciously directed" Echo Sounds, is
jack> that first, they ARE different than the consciously intended Key Sound which I've used
jack> to OPEN The Gate(s)... nevertheless, whether they are a sigh, a moan, or a growl,
jack> I just about always notice they seem to contain a "rolling" quality that seems
jack> similar (though not identical) to the "rolling" in the middle of the
jack> Key Sound as I demonstrate in the audio seminar ovr
wayne> guess am sorta out to lunch on this discussion
mike> Ya I grok that the sigh and groan
jack> sorry it's not a grok for you wayne! ('scuse me, mike...)
mike> are more the unconscious waves
mike> and the key sound
mike> would be the conscious movement of the
mike> energy.....
mike> Would you say
mike> that the "Echo Effect" is the tie that binds
mike> this movement, from one physical
mike> state to another?
jack> The way I visualize it in my own experience is that the Echo Effect is my body's
jack> response to the erotic wake up call, or the erotic invitation to use a more gentle
jack> metaphor... My conscious use
jack> of Valley Breathing and Key Sounds (__interspersed with 3 or more regular breaths between each VB/KS__) is the invitation, the Echo Waves
jack> are my body's acceptance of that invitation to Remember...
jack> Once the waves begin,
jack> then I don't really need to use the VB and KS much, if at all... my process
wayne> for me.....one shallow breath which is observed cause this in me
jack> moves more toward the "sighing" more or less like you guys were describing
jack> earlier... except that my sighs as well as the moans/growls in response ARE
jack> usually accompanied by sound, because that seems to AMP the pleasure, to expand it...
mike> Ah yes I like the word expand,
jack> copy wayne, I remember your mentioning that from last time
mike> it does fit .
jack> me too re: "expand..."
jack> somehow for me the sound
jack> gives me the OPTION of having a PHYSICAL feeling of filling the entire room, or field, or planet or... (however cosmic I may be feeling!) with
jack> the orgasmic energy, the "kundalini" or life force energy that is flowing
jack> through me... at this point I often have an image of myself as more or
jack> less of a _conduit_ of a very intense, thick column of energy
jack> flowing in thru my first chakra and out my crown...
jack> I also image
jack> this energy flowing out through the sound like a laser...
wayne> yes "conduit....
jack> re: conduit... that's why
jack> in _my_ mind anyway, the
jack> "furrballs" phenomenon can happen... and not just in the early stages...
jack> it's like these old wounds are sitting in that conduit, waiting to be healed. As the
jack> life force, or love energy or pleasure or "??" begins to move, it "bumps into"
jack> these wounds and jars them back into consciousness... at this point sometimes
jack> I find I can GENTLY use this life force energy itself to help heal whatever painful
jack> memory, feeling, fear, etc. may have come up. Sometimes however I feel it's
jack> necessary to gently bring myself out of the erotic space, and use some other
jack> healing process to work thru the "furrball." Then usually I find that
jack> the next time I enter the erotic space, the "conduit" seems clear again! Mind
wayne> is not the erotic state...the natural state.......the satchitananda
jack> you I don't expect the "conduit" to be clear once and for all... life continues... so
jack> other wounds and challenges may occur... I find that this process however is
jack> a gentle powerful way of revealing them, and sometimes of healing them!
jack> w: I believe the erotic state IS the natural state of being... a sensual state... that is
jack> corrupted by what is euphemistically called "civilization." For me the challenge
jack> is striking a balance between my personal life and experience, and maintaining
jack> some bridge with the larger culture...
mike> When you mentioned the furrballs
mike> that is what I was thinking about
mike> as far as being in a space to
mike> open to the MMO's, when
mike> I takethis time for myself, there is always a certain
mike> amount of chatter that
mike> comes up and wants to have it's time .....
jack> how do you usually deal with that?
mike> I take the time to see what comes
mike> up in this chatter, hopefully identify
mike> it and like you said, use this process to help
mike> heal what's there or move to another means
mike> to transform it.
mike> I like to keep the
mike> conduit as clean as possible to allow the healing
mike> to take place, but as you say life goes on !!
jack> Yep! Thanks for that clarification! I'd like to
jack> kind of sum up what the "Echo Effect" represents to me... basically
wayne> there is a healing chakra exercise that was used here for a year.....before the energy started to conduit
jack> it is those "different good feelings" that we discussed with
jack> Carlos a coupla weeks ago... the good feelings one feels in response
jack> to using the Key Sound... and a very important thing for
jack> me is to recognize that at first these good feelings may be VERY SLIGHT, but
jack> that it's really important to recognize them, to be conscious of them... and for me,
jack> to name them as a response to my practice of the Key Sound...
jack> and also, to notice how these "good feelings" are _different_ than what I was
jack> used to feeling before I started working with the Key Sound... also,
jack> to recognize that the Key Sound is just that, a Key to _open_ some kind of
jack> energetic Gate(s) in my body through which the non-ejaculatory multiple
jack> orgasmic waves begin to flow.
jack> I need to get goin now... wayne maybe next time you could talk a little
jack> about the chakra exercise technique that opened your conduit... I'd also
wayne> okie....
wayne> will do....
jack> like to discuss next time, mike, how you introduced this Male Multiple Orgasm process,
jack> with the sounds and all, to your partner... Of course, I'm not interested in _just_
jack> asking that question of you, but of anyone (myself included!) who has some
jack> kind of non-ejac Male Multiple Orgasm experience with a partner... thanks for joining us today
jack> you guys!
jack> ACTION waving bye bye
mike> see ya W and J
jack> bye mike
jack> see ya wayne, thanks for checkin in!
wayne> bye mike
wayne> bye jack....