• Jack makes suggestions to someone who "still ends each time with ejaculation."
• Several men who have learned Male Multiple Orgasm using Jack's Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™ describe their experience of being able at times to more or less be "swimming" in orgasmic energy for hours!

[Carlos] Ok, I last said that I have not yet reached what I hope is a full org w/o ejac
[Carlos] would you be willing to describe a little bit about what
[Carlos] you ARE experiencing? What differences ARE you experiencing in comparison to what you're used to experiencing?
[Carlos] has this always been your experience?
[Carlos] In working on Male Multiple Orgasm I get the great feeling and it is both the penis and the whole body, but it is w/ ejac every time.
any suggestions wayne or mike?
[wayne] hmmm....
[mike] not in my experience. I have found
[mike] that I like to hold onto
[wayne] lawgs does not experience ejaculation
[mike] the energy
[wayne] lawgs had three or fours hours of orgasm on sunday
[wayne] wave after wave
great! so... what can we suggest to carlos?
he said he's getting the great feelings
but the process still culminates in ejaculation
how did we who know Male Multiple Orgasm learn how to deal with this?
[mike] stay with the feelings, breathe
[wayne] his body still needs that
[mike] into the feelings and when it needs to move use the sound
[mike] that Jack describes
[mike] in the Audio Seminar and inthe new articles
[mike] we have postd
carlos, I believe you said you HAVE read those articles, is that right?
[Carlos] Yes.
[mike] Carlos, what kind of feelings come up for you ?
have you worked with any of that information yet?
[Carlos] I do suspect that I may not be making sound as loud as I should
how do you TIME when to use the sound?
[Carlos] I achieve feeling to the degree that I do not use upper hand until the very last
[Carlos] Sound on every breath
ok... sound on every breath may be too frequent...
pls take another look at the article about how to time the breath and sound... when
you get a chance...
basically the idea for me anyway is this...
that as you start to experience erotic energy, at some point
the energy will more or less make you take a bigger IN breath... does this
happen in your experience?
That is...
As you start
using your lower hand, and
you begin to feel some erotic energy...
do you find that at some point you then take a bigger than normal IN breath?
[Carlos] yes
good... we're on the same wavelength here!
ok... so...
the optimum time (at least
in the beginning) to use
the Key sound is when
you exhale THAT bigger-than-usual
IN breath!
do you understand what I'm describing?
[Carlos] Yes
great! so...
you might try working with that... for one thing...
it will SLOW DOWN the process for you a bit...
and it'll probably reduce the feelings of light-headedness
or anything like that...
and...
rather than trying to push harder on the sound...
just put
whatever energy you've "collected" in
your chest during that bigger IN breath... just put that collected
energy into the Key Sound as I demonstrate in the audio seminar!
Does that make sense?
[Carlos] Will do, I will work on it and I will listen in now, don't want to be a hog of time
Oh, you're not hogging! You are giving me a chance
to learn from you how better
to explain to LOTS of
folks how to do this!!! So in fact your
questions are a great SERVICE to MANY others!!! And... I respect your wish
to take a little break now and absorb that new info...
if you like...
[Carlos] You seem to be a great guy, I will give you details in e-mail
ok! Thank you...
[mike] Thx for sharing carlos
Feel free to share more
whenever the spirit moves ya!
ok boyz, what else is up for tonite? I think a tendency
a LOT of guys are experiencing
with learning this is the tendency to push to hard and fast
[wayne] not allowing the "flow"
yeah... maybe not allowing
oneself the time
to let the erotic feelings flow into
your whole body... I think this may be somewhat like what Carlos was
talking about re: "whole body" experience...
I think maybe
if we could make a real important early suggestion
it would be for guys to be aware of "goal
orientation..."
like... trying really hard to get this IT that Jack is talking about... the big O without ejac,
rather than focusing on feeling how these
breathing, sound, and massage techniques can
begin to move the erotic energy around one's body, perhaps
in very new ways... that's why I feel that that TIMING article is so important.
[mike] ya it's not bam and it's over
That's definitely a piece I will be adding to the Audio Seminar
in the next revision...
not only is it not bam,
but it's also the idea of not starting off
by saying "ok now I'm gonna go get me one of those
fancy orgasms jack has been talkin about!"
[mike] right
but rather... more like...
"hmmm I'm just going to begin exploring what's
[wayne] yes ....exploring
different in my body... what FEELINGS are different (and thanks wayne!)
[wayne] no expectation
exactly!
that's a tuffy for us some times
especially around THIS one!
I guess to the LOWER AND SLOWER
[wayne] we have been well conditioned
[wayne] need to deprogram
[wayne] re program
that's for sure wayne! that's why
I really encourage people working with this (men AND women!)
to ASSUME that this stuff
IS coded into our DNA! Think about that...
makes some sense, doesn't it? So then it becomes a matter of as wayne
says, de-programming.... all of the overlays our culture has put on us... we gotta
get that outta the way so our body can REMEMBER!!!
Then the
exploration becomes
a quest for CLUES...
subtle feelings
[wayne] observing....
that are new... "I've never felt THAT before..." yes, observing! what's NEW
that's how we build the map
so mike.
you said that
you were working with the breathing
without using the sound...
were you using physical stimulation?
[mike] actually no
ah! that's what I thot!
so there's important
info here for the rest of us...
that once you begin to get
these energies moving,
then you can experiment with the different elements
independently, to explore further nuances...
this is
true for sounds and body positions also...
comments?
[wayne] did experience a different sensation yesterday
yes?
[wayne] conscious mixing the flow from shiva and shakti
can you describe this in more lay terms?
[wayne] hmm...
[wayne] a mixing of energy coming in thru the crwon
[wayne] and the energy coming from the earth
meeting where?
[wayne] they met in the stomach region
and what happened?
[wayne] and gave orgamsi wave...
was this with visualization only, or was
there also physical stimulation? breathing, sound?
[wayne] no...do not visualize
[wayne] it was "feeling"
[wayne] actual "feeling"
[wayne] hmm
[wayne] no stimulation
[wayne] just observing and seeing what happened
how did you begin the feelings, without phys stim and w/o visualization?
[wayne] thought about the two energies meeting
[wayne] and it occurred
[wayne] gues mentally did it
[wayne] it helps if you can move "energy" arouind
[wayne] and are open
[wayne] or make subtle movements....with the hot spots
[wayne] without touching them
I'll bet for a lot of people just starting this exploration, that may sound like a ways out of reach at the moment...
[wayne] just by thougthing
[wayne] yes...
[wayne] sorry
[mike] what kind of movements
[mike] ofthe hot spots
ah no apology necessary!!! it's YOUR story!
[mike] ?
wayne care to answer mike?
just thought about the hot spot
[wayne] and there is flow....
[wayne] feeling
[wayne] as if one were touching it....
[wayne] the last coupl of days,
[wayne] there have been times
[wayne] when just sitting this occurs.....
[wayne] sunday was incredible
[wayne] three hours of waves of orgamic thru body
Yes!!!
[mike] That's great
[mike] I wish I had that much time
[mike] free of distraction
[wayne] smilots
[wayne] it just happens....even driving....
[wayne] guess am very fortunate
Wayne, I know there are a LOT of people "out there" who would think you're really on a trip there, about 3 hour orgasms, etc. but I have had similar experiences!
yes you ARE fortunate
smilots
there is a
guy in portland named
Gary who unfortunately
doesn't have net access yet...
but who described a similar experience to me
via telephone. I have
his permission to call him again and tape
what HIS experience was and then post it on the web...
it was very similar to what you're describing wayne...
[wayne] cool...
[mike] : )
[Carlos] Getting late in IN, enjoyed Mike & Wayne as well as you, Jack. When is next session?
and what you describe is very similar to experiences >I Ah yes Carlos,
next session will be... NOON Pacific Std Time on Saturday! Look forward to seeing you...
I'll post
this transcript to the web tonite or tomorrow...
thanks for joining us and sharing...
please check out all three of the articles mentioned
[Carlos] Thanks, goodnight
on the what's new page...
goodnight!
[mike] Bye and good luck carlos
[wayne] is that this saturday
[Carlos] Will do!
yes this saturday dec 16
so...
re: these ongoing
orgasms...
of course
there will be skeptics, etc. but >Iwaynegary like that experience you had with your older woman friend was kinda like
[SERVER] Carlos has left this channel
that... like you were IN the orgasmic energy... isn't that kinda what it's like, wayne?
[mike] oh yes
[wayne] yes....
like you are IN the orgasmic energy and you just OPEN to it?
[wayne] had to let go and not try....
[wayne] just let it go....
[wayne] it was wave after wave....
[wayne] mixing and flowing
LET GO AND >>>NOT<<< TRY... I hope folks reading this really GROK that!
[mike] I guess I would like to stay in the flow for a longtime yep... wave after wave...
yes mike... pls go on...
[mike] it is cool...yet "warm"
[wayne] it is "love"
[mike] I do know the wave after wave, just not as long
[mike] Oh but felt so good
[mike] Ya it did feel warm and electric
[mike] up and down my body
were you able to MOVE the energy?
thru breath or intention? or?
?
[mike] mostly withthebreath
ah so you also WERE able
to consciously MOVE the energy, perhaps in a way similar
[mike] oh ya
to what wayne was describing...???
[mike] yes
cool, huh wayne?
[wayne] yes.....
[wayne] it is....
[mike] I think it's like flying
how so?
[wayne] the breath watching is cool and always produces flow to the brain
[mike] as if you were moving the wind throughtout your body
[mike] wind is energy
[wayne] yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
and this is where
I was pointing
when I was talking about being able
to use this "kundalini" i.e. erotic energy
to cleanse, to heal, to purify the
[wayne] smilOTS
[mike] sssssssswwwwwwwwoooooooooooooossssshhhh
spirit... Annie Sprinkle also talks about using "Megagasmic" energy in this way...
whew...
[mike] Jack I've started to use this with my disease
excellent!!!
[wayne] what is your disease jack
uh mike...
[mike] calling for the healing
[mike] oh sorry wayne
[mike] I have fibromyalgia
[wayne] wowie
owie...
[mike] which gives me pain in all my joints
[mike] and muscles
so... what's been happnin mike?
[mike] I guess I'm trying to honor it's
[wayne] have you ever tried reiki
[mike] presence
[mike] look for the gift
[mike] not yet wayne
[mike] but I'lllook into it
mike you sed you're using this energy directly in working
with the disease, can you describe?
[mike] while usingthe breathing technique
[mike] and soft sound I feel I can movethe healing energy, wake it up
[mike] rattle my cells
the SOFT sound!
[mike] yes, raising the vibrations I guess
I'm glad to hear you're experiencing some positive results using
[wayne] that is good mike....
the SOFT sound... I think that's very important for people to hear...
[wayne] healing is available there in the energy vibrations
[wayne] if one is open to it
and the thing is...
for those who are real literal minded,
skeptical even,
they don't have to BUHLEEV
that this is so... all they
need to do is to adopt that assumption
as a WORKING HYPOTHESIS...
[mike] with that , I must retreat, but if anyone would like to email
treat it as a PHYSICS experiment...
[mike] me please do.............
yeah me too...
this has been a GREAT session guys!
[mike] AH yes physics
wayne, sure glad you made it again!
[mike] Awsome
you too mikie!
[mike] thx
and thanks to Carlos in absentia for his sharing!
I really hope that we can use these chats
to address these more "advanced" issues, because learning
what we have in common here is GREAT! At the
[wayne] smilets at "advanced issues.
same time I also want those of us who KNOW how to do this already
[mike] bravo !
[wayne] sharing is what it is all about
to really ask our inner wisdom for the words which will help our other brothers
learn how to make the transition from almost-but-ending-with-ejaculation to the
kinds of experiences we've been discussing in the "advanced (smilets noted)" segment.
[mike] just want to say HO to Michelle and Roxanne Peace to you!
ah yes, don't know if wayne is hip to that... two lesbian women here locally were murdered
[wayne] peace and love into the light
last week...
[wayne] as we "evolove"
[wayne] wow....
so... to those brave women, and to you guys who take the time and energy to share...
Yatahay!
[mike] ho
[wayne] ho
[SERVER] mike has left this channel
[wayne] that is a good ending...
yep hope
[wayne] the natives use that
to see ya saturday!
[wayne] okie
[wayne] bye jack
[wayne] huggs
bye for now wayne and hugs to you too!