Here is our historic second chat!

mike> Welcome
lawgs> hello
mike> Hi lawgs , welcome to the channel
mike> Jack will be here shortly
lawgs> okie....
mike> What part of the world are you from ?
lawgs> niagara falls ontario canada
mike> excellent ! Have you received our Audio Seminar
lawgs> that is how ..this was found out about....thru the audio tape...
lawgs> hi mike b
MikeB> howdy
mike> Great ! Hi mike B
MikeB> Hiya mike
mike> Glad you got in today
MikeB> it was a learning experience, to say the least.
lawgs> smiles
mike> Was it hard to get in ?
lawgs> do you want us to use our names...
lawgs> this is a nick
MikeB> mike, not really, after i figured out what to do.
MikeB> hi, nick.
lawgs> no...
mike> As far as real names or nicknames that is up to you, the name you see
lawgs> lawgs is nick...
mike> is my real name
MikeB> <--mine, too.
mike> So , has anyone had any experiences with Male Multiple Orgasm they want to share
mike> ok
mike> cool welcome wayne
MikeB> i'm curious about what the others have to say about the
wayne> laggers....
MikeB> quality or intensity of the multiples.
wayne> ????
wayne> funny just was resting before coming on here....
wayne> and woke having them
wayne> without doing the breathing
mike> really, can you discribe it for us wayne
MikeB> in my experience they're far more subtle than an ejaculatory orgasm.
wayne> yes...subtle....
wayne> much so...
wayne> an disconnected........
wayne> that was a difficult thing to master
wayne> that you would have orgams without ejaculation
mike> when you say disconnected, how so
MikeB> difficult to master and even to recognize them as orgasms.
wayne> that there are no spasms like ....
wayne> waves and then "flow"
mike> really , wow that's great
mike> does it move along your whole body or ?
wayne> actually experienced Male Multiple Orgasm many months ago without knowing what they were
wayne> yes ...whole body...
wayne> especially when subtle breathing is used....ie following the flow of the breath in and out
wayne> masturbatory orgasms are much more viloent episodes....as compared to these which flow and flow
mike> do you use the sound ?
wayne> no...
wayne> tried but found it distracting.....almosrt \\\
mike> I have found that with the breath and the sound it gets real intense
wayne> like guided meditations,,,,which are diffcult for me
wayne> what is intense....
jack> hello all!
MikeB> howdy, jack.
mike> Hey welcome jack
wayne> that word could mean many different thingys...
wayne> hi shaman ...jack
mike> wayne , what I mean by intense is like turning up the electricity
wayne> okie...
wayne> can understand that.....smiLOTS
wayne> this all has to do with "energy flow" anyhow
wayne> the key to any of this is "flow.....and let go".....especially preconceived notions as to what should be....
wayne> even as we speak my hands are orgasmic....
mike> oh yes letting go !
mike> let them fur balls go !
wayne> hmm ...call them "boogies"
mike> HEY MIKEB WHAT DO YOU THINK
jack> while we're waiting to hear from MIKEB, just want to mention that I've added some
jack> important new files to the site this ayem. About sound and breath, have you guys seen them yet?
wayne> what was helpful a first sunce buying the tape was the rcognition of the hot spots...one of which was found earlier..by "watching" what too place during ejaculation....where was it flowing from...
wayne> not seen the new files
jack> yeah that method
jack> of studying how
jack> your body is functioning
jack> during orgasm with ejaculation is the method I originally
wayne> smilets
jack> used to discover how to do this!
wayne> ?ACTION hugs jack for his work...his study....?
MikeB> for me this is a much more physical thing.
jack> speak, brother!
mike> ?ACTION patting jack on back?
MikeB> rather than letting go, i tend to concentrate more on what my body feels
wayne> yes that too....
jack> pls say more...
MikeB> that's what i meant earlier to the orgasm being more subtle.
jack> yeah the subtlety is new for some guys!
MikeB> i need to tune into my body to feel them.
wayne> yes not..violent....wham bam over
jack> how do you tune in MIKEB?
mike> do you need a certain enviroment MB ?
MikeB> i do used the breathing, and the sound as I get more into. But basically
MikeB> i just tune everything else out and concentrate on what i'm feeling.
jack> Then what happens?
wayne> must admit when this all started ...was trying to mentally masturbate without touch...
MikeB> another little mental trick i use is to keep repeating "it's ok to feel this good".
wayne> this was a ll a side affect..
jack> I really like that technique of reminding
jack> yourself that it's ok
wayne> in which "failure " was "felt" at not being able to produce ejaculation
jack> to feel this good!
jack> yeah wayne, better to trance end the failure success model, isn't it?
wayne> at one point during these attempts...
wayne> it the Male Multiple Orgasm came naturally as lay ther.....
jack> what were you doing when that happened?
wayne> over and over ...waves and waves of intense pleasure...
wayne> hmm
jack> that you're comfortable sharing, of course! (smile)
wayne> just laying there and it happened spontaneously ...
wayne> know now it was good.. a taste..
jack> were you doing special breathing, stimulation of certain areas, etc.?
wayne> at that time thought it was failure because ejaculation did not take place
wayne> no...
wayne> nothing
wayne> just laying there
wayne> it was
wayne> "beautiful"
jack> That's really wonderful!
jack> Is this a new experience, of being able to feel
jack> these waves without ANY stimulation, etc.?
wayne> it was a day when......"flow" was occurring...no thougth about it ...
wayne> it was thene
wayne> but happens frequently now
jack> excellent!
jack> the GATES are OPEN!!!
wayne> and to know that you do not have to ejaculate....
wayne> to feel them i swonderful
wayne> yes the chakras are open
MikeB> my experiences are quite different...this is a very physical thing for me.
wayne> wayne will be quiets now
jack> thanks wayne for your story! We're listening, MB!
mike> plz tell mikeb
MikeB> while the mmo's themselves maybe subtle, the process isn't for me.
jack> Pls describe your process, if you would...
MikeB> as i get into them, it's very intense. I use the knees up position as
MikeB> jack suggests. I stimulate only the lower regions.
mike> The hot spots ?
MikeB> by the second or third set of mmo's, i'm usually sweating.
jack> Yes I've had that sweating experience too!
MikeB> mike, yes, the hot spots. I avoid stimulating the penis directly.
jack> That's important info, MB!
jack> What's happening with breathing and sound?
MikeB> it's almost as if there's an electric current running through my groin.
wayne> pulsations???
MikeB> i don't really care for the sound until i'm well into the orgasms.
jack> and the breath?
MikeB> then the sound almost becomes involuntary.
jack> yes re: sound...
MikeB> there are pulsations...i'd call them contractions. I can feel them
MikeB> with the hand stimulating the hot spots.
wayne> smilets...
jack> when the waves are happening automatically
jack> is your lower belly
jack> expanding or contracting on exhale?
MikeB> expanding.
jack> i.e. is the navel moving OUTward on EXhale?
jack> ah yes!
jack> that's been my experience too
jack> and to me it confirms
jack> that our bodies DO remember how to do this
jack> once we are able to ... give ourselves
jack> the room to "remember!"
MikeB> the contractions are similar to those i've experienced while masturbating
MikeB> "normally" when i stop just short of ejaculation...except this mmo's I
MikeB> don't feel like i'm trying to hold back.
jack> GREAT!!!
jack> That's what we've been looking for, eh?
mike> WOW that's great mike B !!!
MikeB> jack, i do have trouble imaging sharing this with a partner.
jack> Ah you read my mind! That was my next question!!!
MikeB> er, imagining
mike> MikeB or Wayne have you found this to change your everyday life
mike> insome way ?
jack> Good question, mike, can we respond to MB's partner issue first?
MikeB> it is such a "me-centered" experience.
jack> The material I added this ayem might help
wayne> it is part of a process for me.....
jack> because I describe an exercise that introduces a partner to the process
wayne> in the exploration of the transmutation of the creative energy...in the "union" of the spiritual and the physical....
wayne> in which the body becomes a "giant penis"
jack> YES!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU USED THAT IMAGE!!!
wayne> so to speak
jack> I've experienced that one a NUMBER of times!!!
jack> MB, I'd appreciate hearing from you re: partners after you have had a chance
jack> to look at that new article on the web site...
MikeB> interesting, wayne. Maybe that's what i meant by intense. the process involves my whole body.
jack> Wayne, can you describe that giant penis feeling a little more?
wayne> jack that is all related as far as this end is concerned with the "kundalini"
wayne> often parts of my body are "orgasmic"
MikeB> jack, i'll let you know after i read it.
wayne> the heart in particular
wayne> moving it...from spot to spot mentally
jack> OK MB, thanks! Yes Wayne... our experience is QUITE similar in this regard!
wayne> what the utlimate will be .....is the "feeling of not feeling"
wayne> in my humble opinion
jack> ?
mike> isn't that incongruent ?
wayne> smilets....yes....
wayne> but it is something that has occurred here
wayne> the body feeling it....but no feel
mike> hmm guess I need a little more info on that wayne
wayne> can you imagine being able to do this and walking around "orgasmic" all the time
jack> yes!
mike> yes
wayne> smilets....
jack> wayne I think you gotta witness!
wayne> like each step you take ...
mike> oh and be able to function !!!! oh kay
wayne> smilets mike....yo got it
jack> In fact, this "orgasmic all the time" has been referred to in legends and stories of the Tantric adepts
jack> Also, Annie Sprinkle mentions this in her videos, when she is referring to Tantra
wayne> it is the "bliss".....the living "love"
jack> the idea that once you are open in this way
jack> it is possible to have orgasms by looking at the moon,
wayne> smilets.....
jack> a beautiful flower, sunset, or just because you're feelin good!
jack> There's a guy up in Portland named Gary
wayne> smiLOTS
jack> who's story I'll try to get onto the web site within a week or two
jack> who reported that the first time he experienced mmo's in this way
jack> he felt orgasmic more three days!!!
jack> All he had to do was WANT one!
wayne> it happens to me when walking sometimes....
jack> me too!
mike> +me tooooooo
jack> yay!
mike> tahay
jack> yeah Mike, like that story you told in the last chat
jack> about just being around that 73 lively woman
wayne> would mike share with us
jack> how the energy was right there... take it mikie!
wayne> if he wishes
mike> just a sec
jack> [doing a Key Sound] (smiles)
mike> thanks
mike> oh ya the 73 yr old woman
jack> or whatever other sharing re: the energy being so available
mike> wow what a pleasant experience
mike> She is a friend who hasthis incredible
mike> energy about her
wayne> smilets.....
mike> we were at a restaurant and I started having
mike> these waves of orgasm up
mike> and down my body.
mike> it was GREAT, I saw herlooking
mike> at me and I new she wanted to know what I was feeling
mike> Let me tell you it felt great, even
mike> as we walked out to the
mike> car, I just had to make a sound or I would bust
mike> so I made a fairly loud sound, like when you feel chilly
jack> hot chili!!!
mike> it helped, but I didn't think the parking lot
mike> with alot of people around was the place for an intense
mike> Key Sound as Jack demonstrates in the audio seminar
[NOTE: JJ: It is my opinion that expressing the Key Sound as I demonstrate in the audio seminar
[is a sexual act and is therefore not appropriate in the presence of children
[nor in the presence of any non-informed, non-consenting adults. --Jack]
mike> I did show her
mike> the Male Multiple Orgasm info later, she thought it was interesting ****
mike> ButI really didn't get to tell
mike> her that was happening in the parking lot
wayne> this is all about "energy" any how.....flwing ...naturally in the body....
mike> OK I getting massive goose bumps
wayne> have had simialr expereinces over the net with ppls
wayne> in a non sexual manner
jack> yeah I mention that in the partners exercise I just posted...
jack> that it can be practiced with someone who is not a SEXUAL partner
mike> that's great W, I've had similar since then and you're right it's
mike> not sexual
jack> provided of course there is informed >>mutual<< consent!
wayne> yes.....
mike> of course
MikeB> I don't want to be a spoil sport, but there's nothing spiritual about mmo's for me.
wayne> highest good
wayne> nods to mike b
mike> to you
wayne> spiritual is just word
MikeB> maybe i'm not getting the full benefit, but I regard it as something nice I do for myself.
mike> and that's very iportant
jack> I'd say that's at least a heck of a great beginning!
wayne> one thing you must realize mike b
wayne> is that you should not feel you have to have the experience that others have
wayne> your expereince is what counts
jack> And the thing is these experiences are going to mean different things to different folks
MikeB> of course.
wayne> all we do here is share our perspectives of the experience
jack> yep!
wayne> btw....
mike> yes
wayne> the erections are much harder and the afterglow more intense here
wayne> and also feel an afterglow in the "body"
wayne> a warmth
jack> like...charged up!!
jack> warmed up...
wayne> yep...
jack> the so-called Tantric heat
jack> that stories say enable adepts
jack> to meditate in the snow completely nude, and they just
wayne> you mentioned kundalini jack....
jack> melt the snow away from around them, because they are channelling so much heat
jack> yes w...
mike> Jack,Wayne and MikeB, it has been wonderful chatting with you, but I must go for now ,but I look forward to talking with you real soon
wayne> ?ACTION hugs muke?
MikeB> good talking to you, mike.
mike> plz feel free to e-mail me !!
jack> ok mike thanks very much! Next chat will be Tues Dec 12 at 7PM PST
jack> I can stick around for a while...
mike> hugs around you guys arE great !!
jack> bye!
wayne> thanks for sharing
mike> ?ACTION WAVING BYE?
jack> I want to thank you Wayne and MikeB for
jack> logging in today... this is the VERY FIRST >>GLOBAL<< real time discussion
jack> on this topic!!! You guys are pioneers!!!
wayne> smilets.....
MikeB>
wayne> someday ..everyone will feel this
jack> so be it!!!
wayne> homo novus....
jack> homo eroticus
MikeB> jack, i hope you'll continue this...it's enlightening to hear the experiences of other guys.
jack> Thanks Mike, yes I plan to make this the core of the seminar!
wayne> sharing is what we are here for....
wayne> perspectives....of a differnet "being"
jack> We are really all teaching each other about this...
jack> Every day I learn more about HOW to teach this to others...
jack> thanks to your sharing...
wayne> think back to al those years of masturbating...tis would have been better
jack> yeah, when they talk about
jack> "Men's Mysteries" being communicated at pubertal rites of passage,
jack> I believe that THIS is what used to be communicated!!!
wayne> masturbation is such a violent occurrence....
jack> yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wayne> someone told me that the sensation is actually ..one of pain
MikeB> wayne & jack, it's a normal, physical reaction to certain stimulation.
wayne> yes...
wayne> it is cool...
wayne> it is a good release ...for hormoanl types...
MikeB> it's no more violent than swolling, sneezing, blinking your eyes, urinating or deficating.
MikeB> er, swollowing.
jack> sure... but there can also be a way in which it parallels violence, as does sneezing...
wayne> like the subtleness of this though
jack> MB, I want to
jack> give you a chance
jack> to say more if you wish about how this experience is pretty much just a physical
jack> one for you, not a spiritual thing... I'm sure there are a lot of other guys
jack> out there who may share that.
wayne> and that is cool to...
jack> I (and wayne!) seem to get
wayne> because spiritual could throw a lot of ppls
jack> a lot of spiritual goodies out of our experience... but certainly for others it's just about PLEASURE!
MikeB> jack, I'm not a spiritual person. I guess you could term me a "hormonal" type.
jack> MB, are looking for
jack> I see...
MikeB> This is a very real physical experience for me.
jack> Is the spiritual connection of interest or not so?
wayne> when used the word hormonal meant "horny"
wayne> mikeb that is great.....
jack> I hear you MB! I didn't mean to imply
MikeB> I have limited knowed of the eastern philosophies you and Wayne have bee discussing.
jack> by saying spiritual that it's not a physical event...
jack> I appreciate you're speaking up about that!
jack> so... how can we help ya? It seems one way is
jack> exploring the partner or sharing issue more...
wayne> and have been "horny " many times myself
MikeB> and I accept it (mmo's) for what I have experienced them to be.
jack> copy...
MikeB> Jack, I'll be interested to read your new article on the partner aspect.
wayne> however we experience Male Multiple Orgasm it is wonderful that they are there for ppls to explore
jack> yes, great to both MB and W comments!
jack> ok MB, so maybe we can
jack> talk more about partner stuff after you've looked at that material
jack> if it's ok then, maybe we could turn to wayne's question about
jack> kundalini... MB altho you're not real familiar
MikeB> fine, jack. I'll also e-mail you some general comments.
jack> with the eastern stuff, I hope it doesn't bore you... email will be appreciated...
jack> kundalini, wayne?
MikeB> jack, I think I'll leave you and Wayne to the kundalini...I might mistake it for a form of pasta.
jack> hah! well, I don't wanna drive you outta the discussion, brother...
MikeB> good talking with you both.
jack> thanks so much for your input MikeB!
wayne> ?ACTION hugs mikeb?
jack> jack does too!
MikeB> Thanks for arranging this, Jack.
jack> you're very welcome! hope to see you at the next one!
MikeB> Thanks, wayne & jack. See you at the next discussion.
jack> so wayne... kundalini with tomato sauce...
wayne> btw....your audio tape jumped right out at me
jack> oh yeah?
jack> the serpent nipped you?
wayne> at the whole life expo in las vegas two weeks ago
jack> REALLY??? what booth???
wayne> some person with a lot of tapes..
wayne> do not really know
jack> GREAT!!!
jack> It IS taking on a life of its own!!!
wayne> it was something that have been looking for to explain what has bee occuring since....may
wayne> know it is related to kundalini with me....
wayne> because of the sensation connected to this
wayne> sometimes the orgasm originates in the base....and goes up ths pine
jack> yes!
wayne> as opposed to whole body orgasm
jack> I sometimes see it
wayne> once it reaches the crown it spreads out
jack> as a large white column of energy that also flows up and out the crown like a fountain!!!
wayne> as in the eastern traditions....see this as eventually having the creative energy...transmuted
jack> into?
wayne> and the sperm...semen ...actually ascending the spine
wayne> into the crwon...
jack> hmmm... haven't heard that one before...
jack> do you mean literally or energetically?
wayne> literally....and energetically
wayne> once years ago...
wayne> feel that semen came out my nose.....
jack> WOW!!!!!
wayne> it was after some intense spiritual practice..
wayne> have not had it since....
jack> that's definitely one for the books!!!
jack> It'd be interesting
wayne> as always...little....tastes...glimpses...to keep one going
wayne> potentialities
jack> to see if in fact it was prostatic fluid or nasal mucous released in response to vasodilation...
jack> yes... to me the potentialities
jack> are just SO vast!!!
wayne> it really "felt" like semen and not "snot"
jack> copy... no snot...
jack> the potentialities really intrigue me
wayne> was typing that before seeing your question
jack> especially since we have this wonderful capability
jack> to share stories from all over the Plan-It!
wayne> there is so much in our wonderful minds...that is untapped
jack> AND in our wonderful bodies!!!
wayne> the "youniverse"
jack> yes!!!
jack> Do you think you'll be able
wayne> you might want to look up the book from which that came
jack> to make the next chat on Dec 12, it's a little later for you...
jack> book title?
wayne> it should be no problem jack...
wayne> spend a lot of time on irc...
jack> Great!!! Yeah, you seem to have the knack!
wayne> there is much "energy" ...synergy...across the net
jack> I really appreciate you're being part of this seminar!!!
wayne> was a bit apprehensive at first
jack> yes?
wayne> but the "energy" feels good here
jack> Great! Then actuality is following my intention here!~
wayne> what was your intention ...te he
wayne> smilets
jack> To provide a safe place where men and their partners could discuss this class of experience
wayne> when it all boils down jack ...what this is all about is "love"
wayne> "love" knowing no gender or technique...
wayne> just "living love"
wayne> flowing...within and without
jack> and its implications for ourselves, our relationships, AND FOR SOCIETY... and yes, living love, ecstatic love!
wayne> yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
jack> Well dear friend, I'm needing to get something to eat now...
wayne> OK
wayne> btw
wayne> the book is .
wayne> chaos and cyber culture......by timothy leary.....it also jumped out at me at the whole life expo
wayne> isbn 0-914171-77-1
jack> all right! thank you! You know, that allusion you made to violence and ejaculation...
jack> that's definitely something I want to get into in greater
wayne> yes...
wayne> cool...
wayne> neat...
jack> depth maybe next time...
wayne> wowzers
wayne> peace and love into the ligth
jack> My feeling is that orgasm always linked to ejac
wayne> as we "evolove"
wayne> that is what you have allowed me to see
jack> creates a condition I call "ejaculation compulsion."
wayne> a separtaion
wayne> yes.....
wayne> hi rob0
jack> Oh!!! Hello RobO!!! Welcome!!!
rob0> hello
jack> actually, we've been at this for over an hour and a half and were
jack> about to wrap things up... I can hang for a few more minutes though, since you took
jack> the trouble to check in!
jack> And we'll have the
jack> transcript up on the web site in an hour or so, so
jack> you can see what we've been discussing... also...
jack> our next chat will be at 7pm Dec 12 Pac Std Time, think you
jack> can make that one Rob? Wayne's gonna make it!
rob0> Not sure now.
jack> Ah ok... well. I'm gonna stagger the sched to give everybody a chance as often as possible...
jack> meanwhile, anything in particular you wanted to discuss?
rob0> not really, just curious.
wayne> have you had mmo's
jack> Ok... well... I appreciate you're takin the trouble to check in...
jack> good question wayne!
rob0> yep, but I don't think they're the same as what you've been discussing.
jack> how do they differ, do you believe?
rob0> so wait, is this being transcribed onto a html doc with my name included?
jack> yes... do you want to be removed? Just the rob0 appears and
jack> you can always adopt a different "nickname" to use... to preserve
jack> anonymity...
rob0> Hmmm
jack> better?
rob> ok, the page mentions mmo's without ejaculation.
rob> page = url oops
jack> yes, are the multiples you're describing WITH ejaculation?
rob> yep
wayne> that's cool too....
jack> ahh... yes that's different... great hormones!
jack> are you interested in learning how to separate the org and ejac to have even more?
rob> But, the stuff about spontanious org is interesting, the separate too..
jack> good! I look forward to your thoughts about it! You might want to go ahead and review
jack> the transcript from today. It'll take me about a half hour to get
jack> it out on the web site. It's been a really good session!
rob> ok, sorry but I've got to run...
rob> thank you
jack> thanks for checkin in... keep in touch!!!
wayne> come back rob next week if you can
jack> well wayne, whaddya say we continue our discussion on the 12th?
wayne> okie...
jack> Great! Thank you so much, see ya then. Enjoy your continuing field research!!!
wayne> too bad we did not get an operating manual when we came here...to the plan-it
wayne> peace and love ...as we "evolove"
jack> we did! It's in our DNA!!! That's how I learned how to remember this!!!
wayne> was talking the printed kind...
jack> copy...
wayne> te he yes ...the synethesis we have missed
wayne> see you jack...
jack> bye wayne, thanks!!!
wayne> hugs
jack> 2 U 2!
wayne> bye rob...
wayne> hope to see you next week
jack> yeah thanks rob!
wayne> get some food jack...
jack> yes!
wayne> te he
wayne> til we meet again
jack> Salut!