Hi, I'm
really appreciating this wonderful dialog you're having!
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Originally Posted by mog
Hi, greyx,
>Just before my break, I noticed my normal breaths in between Key Sounds felt very pleasurable if I breathed using my stomach, or breathing into my stomach. At some points, they weren't even "normal" breaths, but deep breaths where I expanded my belly. I noticed extra echo effects doing this. Would this be considered "valley breathing"?<
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It seems like it to me...
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I’ve not yet come across a definitive description of Valley Breathing. But what you describe equates well with my own idea of what it entails.
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Mine too! In the early days of teaching this method, I tended to speak more about Valley Breathing - yet I found that often, concerns about whether or not somebody was doing it correctly, etc. could become a distraction during practice, so generally I've de-emphasized talking much about Valley Breathing per se.
My initial mention of Valley Breathing was an attempt to help people articulate the second part of the Key Sound correctly. Yet I found that it seemed to make more complicated what is in fact a simple process.
Bottom line for me at this time is that if you are articulating the Key Sound in a gentle, unforced way, pretty much the way I demonstrate in both audio seminars, and the way I teach in the one-to-one phone coaching, and you are beginning to notice Echo Effects, however slight, and even if in the beginning they tend mostly to occur after practice, then you will
automatically be doing the Valley Breathing correctly
enough, because you
are articulating the Key Sound correctly enough, or in better terms:
effectively enough.
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It appears to be generally thought that the prostate can also be massaged remotely from the front of the lower stomach as well as in the usual place. My experience is that this is correct. So if the action of breathing can be made to involve motion of the stomach muscles so that the prostate’s involvement in the orgasmic process can be promoted, this can lead to more intense orgasmic results.
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...And that kind of motion tends to happen
automatically when you are in fact articulating the Key Sound effectively
enough. It doesn't have to be perfect in some absolute sense... and it doesn't really need to be forced or exaggerated - just that sweet little transition that happens in the middle of the Key Sound as I've demonstrated... and you don't need to be distracted by being concerned how your stomach is moving, etc.
You are certainly
welcome to
notice how your stomach is moving as you make the Key Sounds, but it's my impression that you need not have to
try to
consciously make your stomach move a particular way.
If you're articulating the Key Sound effectively, the stomach movement will in effect take care of itself... That area of your body will move as it needs to automatically, in order for you to emit a gentle, unforced Key Sound.
I really appreciate your identifying that part of the
function of that sweet little transition in the middle of the Key Sound has the effect of massaging the prostate - a very slight bearing down if you will. But
please don't
try to make your stomach bear down, etc. I even hesitated to mention it!
But when you gently make that transition from the first to the second part of the Key Sound, I think that that could in effect result in a frontal prostate massage.
That's very intriguing!
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This might also explain the erotic sensations that can result from controlled breathing. I can only surmise that the feeling of hollowness and depth that arises at one part of the breathing cycle accounts for the term. Though I feel that the hollowness in the stomach coincides with the erotic in-breath into the high chest, not with the exhale.
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I'm unclear what you mean by
controlled breathing... In my own practice I don't have a sense of controlled breathing, but rather just easy, relaxed breathing... It may be just that our operational definitions of what
controlled breathing means!
For me, it's just natural, unforced, relaxing breathing between each gentle, unforced Key Sound... a Key Sound that does have that little rolling quality in the middle of it... Like a
very gentle push of the sound.
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I don’t know if valley breathing works for women too, but if so, a different explanation would surely be required in their case!
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Hmmm... not sure I understand that distinction. To me the Key Sound articulation and its benefits seems to be essentially the same, regardless of gender.
Oh... now I think I get your point - that is, in reference to massage of the prostate.
The thing is, although women don't have a prostate, an effectively articulated Key Sound tends to have a slight subtle compressive effect on the whole pelvic region... now please! Don't run off and try to make that happen consciously! LOL!
Our active minds may tend to want to seize upon
anything to hop out of the moment of just being
in the breathing, the Key Sounds, and the subtle
spontanteous Echo Effects that may tend to happen during the regular, relaxing breathing in between.
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>Would what I'm experiencing now be considered just naturally doing valley breathing as a consequence of correctly doing the key sound?<
I can’t vouch for precisely that connection.
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I would say that Valley Breathing - at least as I in the early days intended the term, is indeed a natural consequence of articulating the Key Sound effectively. To me, it is indeed that simple.
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As KSMO training is best done without manual stimulation of any kind (apart from the limited initial amount described in the Protocol)
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I'm a little unsure of what you mean by
initial but I agree to its use if you mean the little bit of stimulate at the
beginning of
each or near each round of Key Sound plus a few regular relaxing breaths.
That is, a single touch or caress of a pleasant area of your body, be that genital or otherwise, followed by an unforced, unhurried, relaxing Key Sound - a good deal like a husky sigh but with some vocalization - that vocalization that tends to make your chest vibrate a bit - and eventually with greater relaxation - feeling that vibration extending further down your body... then a few unhurried relaxing breaths...
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it may be that this form of stimulation should not be engaged too enthusiastically.
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I'm not sure which "form of stimulation" you are cautioning about there.
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But there’s no doubt that valley breathing can enhance a mature KSMO practice.
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Unless I'm missing a distinction your intending to make, and in which I'd be most interested to understand, that sentence could equivalently read:
There's no doubt that use of the Key Sound may likewise enhance a mature KSMO practice.
I hope we're not trying to count angels on the head of a pin, here... but if we are, perhaps that can be enjoyable as well, from time to time - as long as we're not
attached to it!
Thanks again to both of you for a delightful dialogue!
Wishing you both the very best,
Jack