• convulsions, laly, Hlaser, stoki, and redneck join Jack for a discussion of early Echo Effects, the importance of not forcing anything during practice, breakthroughs in practice, and laly's KSMO journey.
• Newbie convulsions, who has been practicing for 3 weeks, reports strong Echo Effects during practice. He is congratulated by Jack and other participants.
  A discussion follows about the importance of not forcing the practice and allowing the body to awaken to the new sensations.
• Hlaser reports a breakthrough in his practice with stronger orgasms even when not actively practicing. Jack notes that some of the most important breakthroughs can occur between practice sessions.
• Hlaser notes that parts of his body have become more sensitive since starting KSMO. Jack says this is a great example of awakening of the innate orgasmic response.
• laly discusses her journey with the KSMO practice including seeking counseling to deal with furballs.

Session Start: Sat Jun 09 09:53:23 2007
Jack> Hey Laly, welcome! convulsions was here earlier and will be back soon.
convulsions> was that enough time to test?
Jack> Welcome back, convulsions, that was perfect... Thanks!
Jack> Let's give people a few minutes to get in the door, ok? :-)
convulsions> no problems I was doing some homework and just logged in and left it
Jack> Hey no worries. No penalties for early birds! :-)
convulsions> except I think the name 'convulsions' doesn't fit in this chat, it cuts me off
Jack> Yeah, that'll be close enough. Just send me an email reminder at the end and before I post
Jack> the transcript I will edit your name to make it match your
convulsions> but thats not really that important. I have some exciting things and or questions to talk about!
Jack> Forum login so that when people search your name they'll find this chat as well.
Jack> That's really GREAT!!! Can you wait just a few til some folks arrive? I can hardly
Jack> wait to hear what you have to share!
convulsions> sure I'll just get some more studying done for 5 minutes and get a drink and then see if anyone is around
Jack> Hey hlaser, welcome! We're
Jack> just waiting a few to give people a chance
Jack> to get in the door. BTW,
Jack> convulsions has some great news to share so stand by for a few.
Hlaser> ok
laly> Hi
Jack> Hi, welcome back!
Hlaser> Hi Laly!
laly> hi hlaser!
Jack> Let's wait just a few more minutes to give people a chance to get in the door.
Hlaser> Yo!
laly> hi conv!
convulsions> hi ^_~
laly> *smiles
Jack> Ok! Welcome to the chat everyone! We may have some others coming in as we continue, but let's get started. Let's go around the room with a quick summary of introduction
Jack> from everyone - where typing from, marital status, gender, how long with ksmo practice etc. Whatever you feel ok about sharing but no obligation to share anything in particular - EVER. Just a brief
Jack> intro for the readers of the transcript, then we'll pass the
Jack> Talking Stick to convulsions (first in the door), who has some NEWS!
convulsions> well, I am very new to this and only been practicing for about a few weeks but I wan
Jack> OK, brief intros please. Anybody can go first with that. Just a line or 2 or 3 then pass it to the next person for the intro.
Jack> convulsions, please change color the green doesn't show up well on the white background. Thanks!
convulsions> =) ok
Jack> Pls continue.
Jack> Thanks!
Jack> Intros please.
Hlaser> Hlaser, Male over 50, Orlando Florida, Divorced, 1 year plus in KSMO...
Jack> Thanks hlaser!
Jack> convulsions how about you?
convulsions> I wanted to share my experiences. I'm a single, 21, Minnesota, 3 weeks KSMO
Jack> k, thanks! Laly?
laly> 36, single, female, 2+ years ksmo
Jack> Ok!!! Thanks everyone... convulsions, YOU have the Talking Stick!
convulsions> ok. well I wanted to share my recollections of my very first KSMO experience
convulsions> >additional background: I've tried using Aneros in the past to see what sensations came
convulsions> anyway, the very first time was very different. I tried to mimic the male voice closely
convulsions> and follow protocol as much as I could. shortly after I started, I felt waves going up and
convulsions> down especially in my chest and head
convulsions> It was very very invigorating and was exciting
Jack> VERY COOL! CONGRATULATIONS!
convulsions> I didn't expect much from my very first time, and thats probably why it was great
laly> awesome!!
convulsions> It was somewhat short-lived, and I haven't been able to replicate it exactly, but thats ok
Jack> Please DON'T expect to replicate something exactly.
Jack> Let the Echoes appear as THEY want to! :-)
Jack> Were you using the single touch or caress, followed by a gentle Key Sound, then 2 to 4 relaxing breaths?
convulsions> thats good advice, I find that when I adopt that mindset things go better
Jack> Yes indeed! It's very important to RELEASE EXPECTATIONS to make room for the Echoes to appear in their own way.
Jack> Keep in mind that this is a process of AWAKENING the response. Also
Jack> very important to keep in mind - the Echo Effects may or may not appear DURING the 20 minute session.
convulsions> yes- I tried not to be TOO structured, but after the third or fourth breath I would add
Jack> Hey stoki from Slovenia, glad you could make it back! convulsions is sharing about first time experiences.
convulsions> a touch and then do the KS
Jack> Yes that sounds really good!
stoki> hi everybody!
laly> hi stoki
Hlaser> Hi Stoki
Jack> Keep in mind that the 20 minute practice sessions are to AWAKEN the Echo Effects response.
convulsions> hi =)
convulsions> so will you often feel echoes at random times during the day? Ive noticed that
Jack> The actual awakening may or may not happen during the 20 minute session itself, and MOST OFTEN, the strongest NEW responses
Jack> occur BETWEEN practice sessions!
convulsions> specifically in the perineum area I feel tingles several times per day
laly>
convulsions> that I haven't noticed previously to KSMO
Jack> YES!!! THAT IS THE MULTIORGASMIC RESPONSE BEGINNING TO AWAKEN, convulsions!
Jack> That's RIGHT ON TRACK!!!
convulsions> its kind of a light tingle, but it can feel very good and if I breathe just right
convulsions> I can feel like it would go somewhere
convulsions> but I'm not really at that point yet
laly> point of??
convulsions> the point where I can turn tingles into full-blown orgasms
convulsions> so I try to enjoy them and see what happens
Hlaser> Right On!
laly> GREAT!! a lil advice conv if i may
convulsions> because part of these few weeks have been frustrating/furballs I've had to deal with
Jack> Please don't TRY to turn the tingles into something. Learn to ALLOW to happen whatever wants to happen with them.
convulsions> ok I'm glad to listen
Jack> yes, pls Laly.
laly> you just said it for me Jack
Jack> Oh, sorry! :-)
laly> is ok- for me Conv- i found out that when i TRIED to make them work more
laly> it had opposite effect, felt less, more stressed in fact.
convulsions> so I have a question for you jack
Jack> Right on Laly! Sure convulsions - we are so used to MAKING ourselves orgasm the old fashioned way. This is just the OPPOSITE... you follow the little protocol and then just relax and see - tune in to what happens of its own accord.
Jack> pls go ahead with your question convulsions.
convulsions> Do you think the orgasm response is rooted in the nervous system and can be awoken with the right breathing/relaxation? I'm just a little confused on HOW it works
convulsions> but maybe that is part of the allure as well
Jack> ;-)
Jack> Yeah the relaxation and the NON-ATTACHMENT is VERY VERY important - by that I mean not trying to MAKE the responses happen.
Jack> That's the old-fashioned way that leads to old fashioned results - the trying to MAKE something happen. I got this clue
convulsions> because if I may share more about myself, I thought that circumcision would be a detriment to my sexuality (it was done to me as a kid) but I'm learning that I dont have to frame these thoughts in that way and it doesn't necessarily make a significant difference unless you let it
Jack> from the Zen tradition of NON-ATTACHMENT leading to Enlightenment.
Jack> WELL DONE convulsions!
Jack> You are indeed finding your way!
Jack> And the Echo Effects you're starting to notice CONFIRM that!
convulsions> thats very encouraging.
Jack> It is GREAT that you recognized those feelings and concerns as the Emotional Furballs that we talk about!
Jack> You are DEFINITELY getting your MAP sketched out! :-)
convulsions> are you speaking of the map of life?
Jack> Keep in mind that there is NO WAY TO PREDICT how, when, or what exactly will appear.
laly> your life!!
convulsions> or map to reach ecstasy
Jack> yeah Laly!
Jack> What's your hunch, convulsions?
convulsions> well, I want ecstasy in my life, so probably both
Jack> That's MY hunch too! ;-)
convulsions> and I want to give it to others
convulsions> which is a sort of ecstasy in itself
Jack> You bet!
laly> <grins and is weeping with joy
Jack> What you can give to others is the information. But this model is different than - making someone else orgasm -
Jack> What opens up the response in others is when they and you have informed mutual adult consent to share the energy, and then you allow your own
Jack> energy to well up - and to the extent they are emotionally open, etc. they will begin to feel the Echoes - just as I describe in the couples exercise in the introductory seminar.
convulsions> do you think that not ejaculating for a period of time can intensify the effects of KSMO practice, assuming it isn't coupled with frustration?
Jack> It may - I do recommend that at least some of the time you do not ejaculation on the day of practice, either before or after to allow the energy within you to manifest in THIS way.
Jack> Also, SINCE OFTEN SOME OF THE STRONGEST NEW EFFECTS HAPPEN ON THE DAYS BETWEEN PRACTICE SESSIONS - at least some of the time
Jack> don't ejaculate on the day after a practice session - just to find out what might happen instead.
Jack> I'm not preaching ejaculatory abstinence here though!
Jack> You will find with this practice that when you DO choose to ejaculate, you are likely to feel much more pleasure in that instance as well.
convulsions> yeah I know there are benefits to ejaculations (i.e., lower prostate cancer) but it would be good to strike a balance
Jack> Exactly, and that can be a dynamic balance - by that I mean it doesn't have to be any totally repetitive pattern. I tend to trust a more fluid pattern.
convulsions> pun intended?
convulsions> =)
Jack> Just give yourself plenty of room for not much to happen during actual practice and then stay open to what may happen WHEN YOU LEAST EXPECT IT between practice sessions.
stoki>
laly> yep
convulsions> does the KS need to be loud to have great effects?
laly> no
Jack> Sure convulsions re: the pun - you're exchanging one kind of fluid - ejaculation - for the fluidity of energy that may manifest in these Echoes WHEN YOU LEAST EXPECT IT!
convulsions> or can it serve as a positive feedback loop for arousal amplification
Jack> What Laly said. Laly could you pls expand on that concept a wee bit, please?
laly> sure ... wipes tears
laly> the key sound imho...only needs to resonate correctly in the chest area
laly> the volume - or thought of needing to MAKE louder
laly> may in fact contribute to frustration and tensing of the in correctly
laly> of the body incorrectly
laly> the neck placement , the throat area- all should be relaxed
convulsions> ok. because hearing about Ron and his experiences, it sounded like it needed to be a massive roar to best effects
Jack> No the roar to which Ron was referring was SPONTANEOUS because there was so much energy happening!
convulsions> *lightbulb*
Jack> :-)
laly> yeah!!! love the light bulb
Jack> For most of us due to our experience PRIOR to learning to use the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol - we are used to TENSION in building arousal. This is the OPPOSITE
convulsions> yeah it felt like my neurons were lighting up or something. I felt this euphoria rise from my chest to my head for about 10-15 seconds
Jack> of that... you RELAX your way into the multiple orgasms!
Jack> Yeah that's GREAT! When you feel that energy building up like that, then your Key Sounds may OF THEIR OWN ACCORD
Jack> tend to become louder.
Jack> In fact,
Jack> it's very important to learn how to ALLOW them to become louder when they WANT to of their own accord -
convulsions> so if they are louder, that doesn't necessarily mean that you are less relaxed?
Jack> If you are ALLOWING them to be as loud as THEY seem to want to be versus MAKING them louder to try to MAKE the effects get stronger.
Jack> Dang sorry he missed that line.
laly> no - but i invite you to experiment with that conv
Jack> Hold one, Laly, he dropped from the channel.
laly> yeah seen that after i hit enter
Jack> Let's stand by for a moment, see if he can get back in fairly soon.
Hlaser> Time for a Cup O' Joe!
laly> <<listening to her NA music
Jack> Lol yeah hlaser! Make mine mocha, please! :-)
laly> wb conv
Jack> There he is. Welcome back conv!
convulsions> ty =)
Jack> To answer your question:
Jack> If you are ALLOWING them to be as loud as THEY seem to want to be versus MAKING them louder to try to MAKE the effects get stronger.
Jack> and Laly had a comment that you missed, also.
convulsions> but can you MAKE them softer, or allow them to be softer? or should you just go with whatever your body 'tells' you to do?
laly> re: the comment about making KS louder - less relaxed --- no - but i invite you to experiment with that conv
Jack> The idea is to get away from MAKING be one way or the other.
Jack> Yeah good suggestion Laly.
Jack> The key is ALLOWING rather than forcing one way or the other.
laly> the ks works differently for everyone
Jack> It goes to the idea of TENSION... this method is based on RELAXING your way to multiple orgasm, rather than tense pursuit.
Jack> As arousal increases, the Key Sounds will naturally want to be louder so that rising arousal energy will have somewhere to go.
Jack> If you hold back the Key Sound at that time or force it to STAY quiet, then of course tension enters the picture
Jack> and that may tend to attenuate the natural response.
Jack> The DEFAULT value is of a quiet unforced Key Sound... then as arousal increases, the Key Sounds on their own will likely
Jack> increase in volume.
Jack> convulsions I'd like to give hlaser and stoki a chance to comment on your experience and questions as well.
Jack> And then Laly may have other thoughts to add as well.
convulsions> sounds good! I'm happy to listen
Jack> convulsions you have a lot of experience here supporting you today!
Jack> hlaser?
Hlaser> what exactly is the question?
Jack> anything you'd like to share in regards to what convulsions's been sharing and his questions?
stoki> I have a question
Jack> Sure!
Hlaser> I think they have been answered VERY thoroughly, actually...
stoki> what does one's love life look like after the ... conversion?
Jack> hlaser just meant if any of it sounded familiar to you from your own experience. After stoki's comments.
Jack> Who is the question for stoki?
stoki> whoever can answer it
Hlaser> OK?
Jack> I think a good starting place for that answer is to start with how your relationship WITH YOURSELF has changed.
Jack> Sure pls go ahead with your thoughts, hlaser!
Hlaser> Good point.
Hlaser> As I have no significant other, I can safely say that my relationship with me is fantastic!
stoki> does one still have normal sex or do you refrain from stimulation
Jack> You get to have BOTH.
laly> uh huh - agrees with Jack
Hlaser> You get it from both ends. hopefully...
Jack> If that's your preference ;-)
laly> <is blushing
Hlaser> You're bad!
Jack> on a good day!
stoki> is there a major turning point in the practice in the beginning or does it all come gradually?
Jack> Neither.
Jack> It's not linear either way.
Jack> It is discontinuous, fractal.
Hlaser> One level at a time!
Jack> That means there's no ability to PREDICT and yet in hindsight it makes perfect sense.
Hlaser> Right!
stoki> do you ever get to control it?
Jack> what do you mean by controlling it?
Hlaser> Hopefully not!
stoki> I mean produce the effects on demand
Jack> In a sense, yes.
Jack> Once the response really awakens in you, then, as Laly has been describing recently in her Forum posts - as have others -
Hlaser> As you progress she visits more often and on a higher and higher level...
Jack> there is in the background a kind of buzz or hum or ??
laly> what do u mean jack?
convulsions> (I'm listening to the male voice demo looping right now. its fun)
Hlaser> No vibrators!
Hlaser> vibrators
convulsions> ha ha
laly> <keels over laughing
Jack> You don't have to throw them out though. It's just another way to play. The underlying
Jack> point though is that as THIS kind of response awakens in you more fully, then there is indeed a sense
Jack> that it's often right there - if when you want it to be - that you can become more intensely responsive
Jack> to beautiful music, sunrise, a painting, a sweet communication from a consenting friend, etc.
Jack> That's the heartgasm aspect too.
laly> yep
Hlaser> It IS a life changing process!
laly> i agree hlaser
Jack> convulsions are you experiencing an answer to your question - or feel free to ask for more.
Jack> So convulsions, as you continue to open more and more to these feelings and sensations, you will begin to feel them
laly> (or become aware of them)
Jack> as you even look into the eyes of a loved one - you may feel it genitally or from the heart or both.
Jack> vgp laly.
Jack> stoki, how about you? Are you experiencing an answer to your question about on demand? You might find a number of good posts about that
Jack> in the forum by searching on the keyword:
Jack> choose
Jack> .
convulsions> I think so. Its interesting to listen
convulsions> thats probably a good analogy for this whole process, right?
Jack> which is?
convulsions> It is fun to just listen to what your body is trying to tell you
Jack> EXACTLY!!!
Jack> Let your body's INNER WISDOM teach you! Rather than your trying to take your system one direction or another - be open to surprises!
convulsions> because if I dont believe that I can become multi-orgasmic, I definitely wont
Jack> Well - even THAT may not be true!
Jack> It may happen ANYway!
Jack> Especially after you've been practicing the Protocol.
laly> that is a term Jack like to refer to as "mind noise" conv.
Jack> Sometimes it's when you give up - i.e. LET GO - that the Echo Effects may appear in a stronger way.
Jack> yep, Laly! ;-)
convulsions> let go- but dont GIVE UP
Hlaser> Relax/Observe/Breath! And "She" will come!
laly> let the 'fawn" come to you
Jack> right on hlaser - yeah convulsions - just continue to show up for KSMO practice a few times a week.
Jack> i.e. the fawn of the stronger Echo Effects.
Hlaser> Woodsy Owl will fly down and peck you!
Hlaser> Sorry!
Jack> no worries hlaser. lol.
Hlaser> Had a visual!
Jack> I understand!
Jack> What else would anyone like to share or ask today?
Hlaser> Had a breakthru...
convulsions> lets hear
Jack> oh yeah??? yes please!
Hlaser> For the last couple of weeks I have been climbing up to a new level of bliss!
Jack> CONGRATULATIONS BROTHER!
Hlaser> This a.s. I had an amazing thing!
Hlaser> a.m.
Hlaser> Orgasms of a higher order than before!
Jack> What were they like?
Hlaser> Just sitting in my chair!
Jack> Were you actively doing the Protocol or just relaxing?
Hlaser> 20 minutes of incredible prostate based orgasm followed by 20 minutes of penis and testicular orgasm...ALL dry!
Hlaser> Just relaxing!
Jack> WOW!!!
Hlaser> The power level was the break thru!
Jack> See, stoki and convulsions? Some of the biggest new stuff happens BETWEEN active practice of the Protocol!
Jack> hlaser one thing people sometimes ask is: If you weren't ejaculating how did you know it was orgasm?
Hlaser> Had to keep looking to see if I was soiling my chair!!!
convulsions> haha
convulsions> when you say prostate based, how did this occur?
Jack> [ suggestion have a washable cover and even a towel on your favorite chair :-) ]
Jack> GOOD QUESTION, convulsions!
Hlaser> Both were totally different feeling O's, but they felt like traditional O's in strength!!!
Jack> Where in your body did you feel them?
Hlaser> Prostate one was centered at Prostate but covered area from lower abdomen to anus...
Hlaser> The penis based one same, but covered same area and my entire body was very sensitive and tactile!
Jack> I Sing the Body Electric!
Jack> ( quoting Walt Whitman )
laly>
Hlaser> I have never had a "full-body" orgasm with KSMO or Aneros!
Jack> And now?
Hlaser> Still not full-body...
Jack> Your Echo Effects are CONTINUING TO AWAKEN. The full body heightened sensitivity indicates that.
Hlaser> Guess I am different, but not complaining tho!!!
laly> it will happen
Jack> Yep, just keep letting go of attachment to it - and as you noticed today, it the NEW responses arrived NOT during active practice,
Hlaser> I will greet it with open arms and legs...
Jack> but when you weren't really predicting it.
Jack> LOL re: arms and legs. That's it Brother, stay OPEN! ;-)
Hlaser> Usually new things start after a dry spell...
Jack> It is SUCH a common theme that the NEW LEVELS arrive when you're NOT particularly seeking them.
Jack> Yes that's correct.
Hlaser> On and off for months...
Hlaser> This new level, I can stay with...
laly>
Hlaser> But I know it will be even better!
Hlaser> Can I stand it?
Jack> RE: physical / physilogical systems it's referred to as regression to the mean - although in this instance the mean (i.e. average or baseline) continues to rise over time.
Hlaser> Exactly!
Hlaser> The norm is at a higher level!
Hlaser> Thanx...
Jack> That's why your system isn't giving it ALL to you at once! Your erotic energetic system gives you what your deeper wisdom knows you can tolerate and integrate before giving you more.
Jack> And of course after a big zoom like you got this morning, things may be a little quieter for a while as your system and your emotional integrates and appreciates
Hlaser> What we experience here is unknown to most of the world...what a shame!
Jack> what has just been happening - your system may give you some recharging time and oh yeah - some rest!
Jack> It's up to each of you to help spread the word! Use the social networking buttons at the bottom of every post to go forth and tell your story.
laly> <knows all about the rest part
Hlaser> Only a few believe you...
Jack> Also post your story to other appropriate forums.
Hlaser> I do what I can in the Aneros!
Jack> A few at a time.
Jack> That's great hlaser, and MUCH appreciated!
Jack> Do what you feel moved to do re: sharing.
Jack> It's moreso up to you all than it is to me - because people are more likely to believe you than they are to believe me.
Hlaser> People will believe in a plastic device rather that something not tangible...
convulsions> Aneros=bad?
Jack> hlaser, please don't talk yourself out of faith in people. SOME people are like that... but not everybody.
Hlaser> No, not at all!
laly> no , not necessarily conv
Jack> convulsions see the Aneros sub-forum in our Forum:
Hlaser> I am very appreciative to Aneros...they re-wired me and taught me dry orgasms!
Jack> http://www.multiples.com/howtolastlo...play.php?f=600
Jack> That url is our Aneros and Multiple Orgasm Trigger discussion.
Hlaser> This led me here!
laly> <<has toes in Aneros feelings
Jack> Q.E.D. Hlaser!
Jack> :-)
Hlaser> Two different paths to the same party!
Hlaser> QED?
Jack> Same neighborhood for me, but the party is a little different for each. They DO integrate well together though.
convulsions> why do you think that is?
Hlaser> Completely!
Jack> QED = Quod erat demonstrandum - i.e. you demonstrated the point that there ARE SOME people OUT THERE who ARE receptive to learning this. By mentioning that you came here from the Aneros Forum demonstrated that point.
laly> k-- why do u feel party is different for each jack??
Hlaser> I am a product tester for Aneros, as well...
Jack> ergo: Quod erat demonstrandum.
laly> hi redneck
Jack> Hey redneck, WELCOME!
redneck> hi laly
redneck> sorry to interrupt
Jack> Thanks for your wonderfully informative and compassionate posts to the Forum redneck!
Jack> no worries... WELCOME!
redneck> whew! thanks for your interest
Jack> redneck how about a brief introduction for the others? i.e. age marital status orientation where typing from etc. As always feel free to answer Any, all, or none of those questions.
Jack> Just a little something so people may get to know you a little better.
Jack> Oh also, how long practicing the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol and what your experiences have been like so far.
redneck> age 60's divorced north carolina
redneck> i first began ksmo before there was a protocol :-)
Jack> or at least the mo if not the ks?
Jack> ;-)
redneck> yes. may i ask, what is being discussed??
Jack> anybody care to summarize for redneck please?
laly> sure....relaxing rather than forcing KS and ksmo feelings
laly> Aneros vs. ksmo or use of both
redneck> arenos?
laly> Aneros (sorry
laly> )
redneck> thanks
redneck> a great subject
laly> <<wouldn't know - female
laly>
convulsions> but you have a g spot
redneck> i meant "relaxing" is a great subject
laly> i do??
laly> OHH /// that .. yeah
convulsions> probably!
redneck> although Aneros is interesting too
laly> sorry conv- i had to ask someone about what that was
laly> *about
laly> <<didn't know
redneck> laly i appreciate your posts about the time you take to relax first. i always seem a bit rushed
convulsions> about what the g spot was?
laly> yeah conv- that
laly> yw redneck!!
redneck> so what is the g spot? i mean why is there just a single spot that is so hot?
redneck> i have never found it yet
convulsions> well, its a spot in women along the front of the vaginal wall
laly> <jaw drops, face red at subject of conversation
Hlaser> Female prostate...
convulsions> seems to be somewhat analogous to the prostate in that it induces more 'full-bodied' orgasms instead of genitally localized
redneck> that tells us where it is. but why? why just a spot? what is mother nature intending here? ksmo gets to great heights by spreading energy around.
redneck> has anyone here been able to tie in their practice of ksmo with energizing the g spot?
Hlaser> How about it Jack?
laly> is just a place , just guessing now k- that the orgasmic intensity/sensitivity is more focused
laly> just like men have their one sweet spot )as hlaser calls it)
Hlaser> Actually several...
redneck> if i were mother nature, and if i wanted to create such a hot spot, i would not put it in such a hard to find location.
Jack> redneck here's a very good book that describes and illustrates the G-spot:
Jack> http://www.powells.com/partner/31802.../9780897933803
redneck> thanks
Jack> oops Try this one - either will work of course:
laly> i guess - for me - i have more than one place i consider a g-spot
laly> or sweet spot
Hlaser> Thanks Jack I don't have one either...
redneck> isn't sexual pleasure supposed to be straight forward? :-)
laly> not always
redneck> oops
Jack> http://www.multiples.com/a/index.php...ionAndTheGSpot
convulsions> I'm back!
laly> reason i say this -is because it goes with a recent experience i had
redneck> if i click on that link does it kick me off the chat?
laly> it shouldn't
convulsions> but I think I'm going to go. it was great talking to you and I hope I can learn more as time goes on!
redneck> please don't let me interrupt you
Hlaser> I keep discovering more and more locations that link directly to this region in my lower abdomen...
laly> keep your mind open conv and you will
convulsions> ok =)
Jack> redneck, in our forum use the Search tool and PUT IN QUOTES: "male g" and you'll find posts where we discuss a male ENERGETIC EQUIVALENT of the female G-Spot.
Jack> convulsions THANKS VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE!
Jack> Dang I didn't get it said in time but he'll get to read it.
Hlaser> bye convulsions
redneck> laly- you began to speak about a recent experience?
Jack> redneck open a separate browser and try it if you can.
redneck> ok
laly> no - i hadn't- someone else had talking stick
Jack> Or you can click the link if it will let you and if you get bumped you should be able to log back in.
Jack> It'll also appear in the transcript of this chat which will be posted to the Forum shortly after we finish here.
laly> just got sidetracked on this g-spot topic
laly> which made me very nervous
redneck> sorry to hear that
laly> is ok
redneck> great
laly> 36 yr old and still blush about this type subject
redneck> did you want to stay off that topic ?
Hlaser> Isn't anatomy fun?
redneck> yes Hlaser can you add to your comment on energy in "lower abdomen"
Hlaser> sure.
Hlaser> As an example, I stimulated my nipples for a period of time to see what all the hoopla is about...
Hlaser> Now stimulating them can be felt in my abdomen as an orgasmic feeling or even a full O!
redneck> this is getting to be real fun !!
Jack> VOILA! HOOPLA!!!
Jack> QED - hlaser ;->
Hlaser> What?
redneck> were your nipples always erotically sensitive? or did this arrive out of the blue - your new persistence?
Hlaser> at first, I had no sexual feelings there at all!!
redneck> me too
Hlaser> Now I love my nipples to death!
Hlaser> LOL!
redneck> a marriage made in ksmo
laly>
Jack> hlaser - or even loving them to LIFE! ;-)
Hlaser> I now wonder if stimulating different body parts during a session or other, can cause a stronger sensitivity over time???
laly> for me - it has hlaser
Hlaser> Right.
redneck> wow. were you doing some of this as part of a ksmo practice- or just outside of ksmo?
Jack> hlaser your statement about initially not much sensation in nipples and now all the way to a full orgasm is a GREAT example of the theme of further AWAKENING of your innate multiorgasmic response.
redneck> laly may i ask where?
Hlaser> between KS instead of penal stim.. and also during Aneros sessions...
Jack> penile
laly> redneck...well this may sound odd
Hlaser> sorry
redneck> hlaser it seems that you have found a way to use Aneros to augment your awakening in ksmo?
Hlaser> Yes, they are Pals!
Hlaser> Variety is great!
laly> but the outer rims of ears are extremely sensitive
redneck> mine are sensitive to touch - but i have not felt that ss erotic. hmmm.
Hlaser> true.
laly> (for me it is redneck-always has been , very erotic)
redneck> as hlaser says anatomy is fun
Hlaser> Jack, do you think the repetition can cause a neural change?
Jack> repetition of what specifically, hlaser?
Hlaser> nipples as example.
Hlaser> or is it connected to awakening only?
Jack> Well isn't awakening a neural change?
Jack> maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by neural change.
redneck> i think the process of ksmo awakening is a neural change in process.
Jack> I tend to agree, redneck.
Hlaser> After being re-wired I can now feel things in a different Way...
Jack> Yeah! That's a major benefit of the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol practice imho.
Hlaser> or after awakening, I guess?
laly> i see things differently
Jack> This I believe can happen for ANY area of your body that at any point is pleasant to your touch.
Jack> Yes Laly?
redneck> thats what i would have hoped for
laly> well..i guess it has to do with the emotional changes of ksmo
laly> but i see life a little differently
redneck> would you be comfortable elaborating on that ?
laly> not sure how to put the words to it
redneck> want to try?
laly> the sun is brighter
laly> birds singing sweeter, more joyful
laly> am talking to my family more than i ever have before
laly> talking about self more
redneck> great. sounds as though life is becoming more precious as it becomes more sensually and emotionally awakened ?
laly> yeah!!
Hlaser> Due to awakening?
redneck> perhaps awakening as a whole being - not a fragmented person with hidden compartments?
laly> yes
Hlaser> Good for you!
redneck> jack you have got to be loving your work as you witness these journeys
laly> for the place that I am coming from- that is extremely rewarding factor
Jack> Yes indeed I do, red!
laly> being sexually abused redneck and finding such a great place as KSMO forum
laly> and finding pleasure in sexual feelings again
redneck> laly in sexual as well as emotional
redneck> feelings
laly> yes
redneck> laly sounds like you are feeling more and more in charge of your journey.
laly> yes
laly> finally
redneck> congratulations
Hlaser> Good Deal...Lucile!
Jack> lol!
redneck> is ksmo also providing a compass - a sense of where you might to go with the next step?
Jack> Laly's posts in this Forum are an INCREDIBLE testimony to a woman's astounding courage determination and persistence in pursuit of her recovery.
laly> am so far off the path with ksmo
laly> but enjoying EVERY MINUTE OF IT
Hlaser> Give me cyber-five, Laly!
laly> ^ 5 to hlaser
laly> let me clarify that for u redneck
Jack> Laly for the readers would you clarify what you mean by so far off the path with ksmo yet enjoying every minute of it?
Jack> :-)
redneck> with courage determination and persistence, the body will heal again
redneck> the body wants to be a "whole" person a whole self.
laly> well as you know jack i voluntarily am taking a break from KSMO active practice
redneck> trust your compass
laly> but still experiencing heartgasms, echos and the like
Jack> yes, Laly, but others here and readers of the transcript may not understand what you mean by that and why.
laly> *sighs softly
Jack> ONLY IF you want to share any more about it. That's ALWAYS the deal.
laly> is ok jack
laly> about 4 months into my ksmo journey
laly> i was experiencing some rather disturbing nightmares and flashbacks
laly> as my body began re-wired to ksmo
laly> became
laly> flashbacks of the night of being raped
Jack> [ i.e., emotional furballs ]
laly> yeah (thanks jack)
laly> so it was suggested see a counselor to work thru this
Jack> [ right on Protocol! ]
laly> but right away i didn't
Jack> [ wb airn! Laly has the Talking Stick ]
laly> was soo afraid of talking to a stranger about something so personal
laly> not to mention all counselors in my area were men
redneck> oops
laly> uh uh _ NOOO WAY
laly> sent terror running thru me
redneck> understandable
laly> but i had a great group of people - friends
laly> fellow KSMO members
laly> who didn't give up on me
laly> and with both their help - and open arms of love
laly> i am seeing a great female counselor
laly> who considers me a daughter she never had
laly> (that in itself is humbling to me)
laly> makes me cry to know
laly> and i knew that counseling was gonna be an emotionally rough roller coaster for me
laly> and wasn't ready to deal with that and keep up the KSMO practice too
Jack> [ COMPLETELY right on Protocol to handle it this way! ]
redneck> my 2 cents. always trust your own inner compass.
laly> thanks redneck
laly> it wasn't easy separating the 2 jack
laly> once the re-wiring started
laly> and the echos would come
laly> i would become upset and frustrated
laly> because i didn't want to feel them
laly> not while dealing with these other issues
redneck> what your saying makes great sense
laly> thanks
Jack> Yep and that was a CLEAR confirmation that to stay ON Protocol you needed to PAUSE the ACTIVE practice sessions and get the PROFESSIONAL help you needed to address the emotional furballs i.e., the emotional wounds and assaults of the past.
laly> that is the point i was making with conv lil while ago
laly> about forcing KS or making louder
redneck> good point
Jack> NOTHING in this practice should be forced.
Jack> Including forcing yourself to practice when you don't feel like it or are troubled by emotional furballs coming up.
redneck> let the body move at its own pace - body wisdom
laly> i did ALOT of meditating in this time frame jack
Jack> They are coming up because they are SEEKING HEALING so that you can move on with your life. Laly REALLY GETS that concept.
Jack> yeah, red, that's it!
redneck> laly how did you manage to set aside the echoes that came up?
laly> i didn't , set them aside
Jack> redneck - don't keep driving with the oil light on ;-)
redneck> oops
laly> but i ALSO didn't encourage them
laly> just let them be
laly> and they'd either go away
Hlaser> I like this term "Body Wisdom" allot!
laly> OR I'd feel them move and experience the MOST WONDROUS heartgasms ever
laly> it was during one of the meditative states that i experience something that I'd never felt or seen before
laly> http://216.187.96.104/orgasmwiki/Lal...itation_dreams
laly> i wrote about it here
Jack> [ For more details that Laly has shared about her incredibly courageous journey of recovery, use the Forum search tool to search on Laly as a keyword ]
Jack> [ and also put Laly in the RIGHT-hand search box (username search) for posts she's made ]
laly> I have a shaman... and a tiger spirit guide
Jack> [ AND she has a whole blog of much of her story in our Orgasm Wiki: http://www.multiples.com/orgasmwiki/Laly ]
laly> thurs nite i went to a meeting - about changing kids' and adults attitudes about racial equality in schools and in the world
laly> we watching a rather disturbing movie (to me anyway)
laly> they showed how the native americans were treated so long ago
laly> *treated
laly> i began to cry
laly> and a minute later 'felt' a hand on my shoulder
laly> it was my 'shaman' and he was chanting
laly> to me
laly> i looked at the faces on the tv screen and i said a prayer to them
laly> letting them know their courage was appreciated and honored
laly> and i left a cold shift and the energy of the room change
laly> and knew the shaman had left
laly> after that my heart was so lifted
laly> so full of joy and love
laly>
laly> this is why i say ksmo is more than sexual related benefits.
laly> my heart and spirit are leading me to a new place.
laly> *wipes tears
laly> *lays talking stick down , grabs tissues
redneck> "so full of love and joy". sounds like your long time friends, your shaman, and your counselor are sending a clear and repeated message that you deserve to feel real love again in your life.
laly> yeah.. am learning how to do that
redneck> re- learning how to do that ?
redneck> re- awakening ?
laly> no - learning
laly> never felt real love before
redneck> ouch
laly> when i was raped, i shut everyone out
laly> completely
laly> denied myself everything
laly> love, joy, happiness
laly> kept the pain as reminder of what happens when love comes out
redneck> its good that you can talk about this. and set your compass to a new horizon - filled with a sweeter life.
Jack> Laly, I'd like to make a suggestion.
laly> thanks redneck, sure jack
Jack> It's drawn upon work I did in the 70's when I developed a method of working with painful dreams and memories, based on Ericksonian methods integrated with some shamanic traditions.
Jack> It's very simple, and it's just a suggestion.
Jack> That is, at some point - and this can be done privately of course -
Jack> to go into a space where you do the chant that you heard your shaman spirit guide chanting to you.
Jack> It's a way to further integrate and accept the power being offered you.
Jack> Just a suggestion of course, but
Jack> I have found that kind of practice to be very beneficial.
laly> yeah - thanks ...i have not had a bad dream/experience since last year
Jack> GREAT!
laly> and redneck-- i made that decision on sharing when i first started KSMO in 2005
Jack> Well that shamanic chant and feeling his hand on your shoulder was a very numinous moment and you might be pleasantly surprised to explore lending YOUR voice to that chant you heard.
Jack> Just a suggestion, no obligation. :-)
laly> i did do that
laly> thurs nite - and said prayer after
Jack> WAY COOL! You've got great intuition!
Hlaser> Is there a book, perhaps with shamanic chants?
Jack> Way to claim that power for yourself Laly!
Hlaser> Sounds worthwhile...
laly> i felt - how to i post - do i leave that out
laly> thanks jack
laly> so i decided to document everything
Jack> cool!
laly> ksmo, my life with it, my life as it happened
Jack> hlaser I'll post some good resources to the Other Resources section of the Forum a little later today.
Jack> re: shamanic chants.
Hlaser> Cool!
Jack> Does anybody have any other comments or questions for Laly, or generally? I'm going to need to wrap up the chant fairly soon.
redneck> "no bad dreams since last year." is that about the time you sought out your counselor and/or also put the brakes on active ksmo?
laly> no redneck
laly> i put breaks on ksmo before that
laly> after a rather intense FBMO
Hlaser> need to wrap up the chant?
laly> the chat hlaser
redneck> maybe ksmo allows us to open too fast?
Jack> lol laser our chant today aka the chat.
Hlaser> i know that!
Jack> [ hlaser: My subconscious is wiser than my conscious mind ]
Hlaser> Just pokin' fun...
laly> it was one of those- i wasnt prepared for it and the B AM
redneck> so true
laly> and i couldnt ground myself
laly> really scared me
redneck> i'll bet
redneck> "so full of love and joy". sounds like your long time friends, your shaman, and your counselor are sending a clear and repeated message that you deserve to feel real love again in your life.
laly> yes
redneck> i'll second that
laly>
laly> thanks
laly> anyone care for a hug
laly> ??
Hlaser> Well, I gotta go folks!
laly> yeah me too- supper is cooking
Hlaser> bye all!
laly> bye bye hlaser
Hlaser> Later...
redneck> laly. you are hugging a fellow traveler who also experienced early abuse
redneck> cheers
laly> aaww sweet
redneck> same to you
laly> take care redneck!!
laly> nice to see you today
redneck> take care. sweet journey
laly> nite everyone
redneck> and thanks Jack
redneck> for making this possible
stoki> I guess I'll be going too
Jack> Ok stoki, thanks for being here
Jack> and for ALL of your support of this work.
stoki> no problem
stoki> see ya next time
Jack> Thanks again Laly for all of YOUR work in support of this community as well, AND for your continuing your own courageous journey. May the gifts continue to flow to you!
Session Close: Sat Jun 09 13:49:09 2007