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Hey Pan,
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Hi Again
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Your opinion about not combining KSMO with other practices is a bit different from Jack’s and one I haven’t heard before (or perhaps I had forgotten).
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Well, the Protocol has evolved a bit over the years and there have been times when I wasn't able to keep track of things here as they developed. But for as long I can remember, Jack's advice to new practitioners has been to postpone the addition of alternate MMO techniques (including devices like the Aneros) until one has become fully multi-orgasmic using KSMO alone.
I don't know. Maybe I missed something in my absence...?
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I thought that I was on protocol as long as I practiced KSMO by itself with a day off afterwards.
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Yes, that meets the current standards of being on Protocol as I understand it. But like I said, it has evolved over time. When I first began practicing, the "day off" requirement wasn't even part of the Protocol. Personally, I practiced every day for months at a time.
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As long as I did that, I was free to pursue other practices.
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I think it's important to say that, regardless of what the Protocol says, you ARE free use or modify KSMO however you wish. I'm merely giving recommendations based on observation and experience. There are no "rules" here. I think the most important lesson Jack teaches is simply to "follow your echo effects," i.e. do whatever works for you.
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For me, I look at the Maxwell DVD and ESO book as an enhancement to my masturbation sessions rather than as a pursuit of MMOs. An MMO may be the end result, but I’m just hoping to extend and enhance the pleasure of those sessions.
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Well, again I'm not in a position to comment on ESO, but the Maxwell technique is designed purely for one purpose - to achieve MMO's in a very direct way. It's simply my opinion (and nothing more) that because the Maxwell way and the KSMO way are so completely opposite from each other that it could be somewhat "confusing" to try learning both simultaneously.
Of course, everyone is different. There's no way to say for sure what will and will not be effective for you as an individual. I can only offer my opinion based on some general tendencies I've noticed over the years.
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I’m not expecting the KSMO and Aneros orgasms to be the same as the ones I have during my masturbation sessions, so perhaps for me, that should help me avoid thinking that MMOs through physical stimulation is the only way to go.
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Well, yes part of my concern is that men who have no prior experience with any MMO technique may stumble onto the Maxwell technique and believe that that's as good as it gets and seek no further.
But my other concern, is that if one first experiences the "instant gratification" MMO's as achieved through the Maxwell technique, it may be difficult to have the patience to continue learning a more subtle and yet ultimately more profound technique like KSMO.
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BTW, the ESO book mentions the Aneros as a way of stimulating the prostate internally and externally so that’s probably why they have it listed on the website.
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Just for clarification - are you saying ESO is mentioned at the Aneros website or that the Aneros is mentioned as the ESO website?
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In regards to my use of the Aneros, I started using it before I started with KSMO, so I was already hooked on it.
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I can certainly understand that!
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In fact, it was the postings on the Aneros website that led me here. Most of them mentioned that KSMO was a complement to the Aneros. It’s funny reading them now. Some users mentioned that they practiced KSMO exclusively but in the same paragraph describe how they complement one another. Perhaps what they didn’t realize is that they can be complementary only after you have achieved MMOs using KSMO exclusively. For now though, I’m really enjoying the physical stimulation and sensations that I get from using the Aneros, so I doubt that I’d be able to drop it and adopt KSMO exclusively. That might be an ideal solution, but with some KSMO practitioners taking up to 2 years to achieve MMOs, I don’t think I could do without my little backdoor buddies for that long!
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LOL! Well, I think the cool thing is that there have been many converts on both sides over the years. I do believe that ideally, it's easier to learn KSMO first. But if someone has already been using the Aneros and not yet achieved the Super-O, KSMO could be a great help. And of course, they might as well keep using the Aneros anyway. After all, it's something they've already gotten use to!
Actually, this kinda illustrates my point about the Maxwell technique. It's a lot like the Aneros in that, once you try it, you may be reluctant to give it up, even if it isn't completely satisfying, and therefore, end up with yet another potential distraction from a more fulfilling experience.
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I would like to mention though that the allure of experiencing MMOs naturally without any devices or other stimuli is very compelling and has helped me to see KSMO in a new light, and I wanted to thank you for that.
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You're very welcome!
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In closing, you may be right that combining these practices may hinder me, but I hope you’re wrong.
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I'm not sure "right and wrong" really apply here. But I do wish you success no matter how you choose to approach MMO's.
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I guess as long as I’m having fun along the way and don’t get too frustrated, then it’ll all work out.
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Yep! That's the only real "rule" to follow!
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For me, all of these devices, techniques, and practices are still new and exciting and as a typical American, I want to experience it all and I want to experience it all, right now!
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LOL! I know that feeling!
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Compared to your years of experience, I have less than a year under my belt, so I’m still quite the newbie. In time I may settle down and decide to concentrate on one practice, but for now I guess I’m still in an experimental stage.
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Hey, experimentation is great. After all, that's how we got KSMO! I'm sure you're going to get what you're looking for one way or another. And as long as you're having fun, who cares what path(s) you take to get there? Who knows, maybe when you arrive, you'll have found something new to teach the rest of us!
I just hope you'll keep us posted on your journey.
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Thanks for the thoughtful and caring reply,
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Always happy to be of service!
Pan