• Drew (35, Michigan USA) begins the discussion by reporting a seemingly temporary decrease in motivation to practice the Male Multiple Orgasm techniques.This report leads to a discussion of the cycles observable in Male Multiple Orgasm practice; namely, that there tends to be a cycle of intense practice followed by a time of quiescence, ideally a time to integrate the changes that have been happening, both physically and emotionally.
• Jack compares this larger cycle of periods of intense practice interspersed with times of quiescence to the cycle of Key Sound plus regular breaths, i.e., intense charging, then a reduction in intensity to allow the system to accommodate the changes in energy and emotion, followed perhaps by additional cycles in a rising spiral of arousal and emotional opening.
• Drew offers some excellent guidelines for determining when it's time to back off from the Male Multiple Orgasm practice for a while, using a lack of Echo responses as a key indicator.
• Jack lauds Drew's focusing on quality of experience in each practice session, rather than simply trying to "make" multiple orgasms happen.
• Both agree that this falling off of Echo responses (pleasurable feelings in response to using the Key Sound may also signal a need to review one's level of self-care (rest, nutrition, exercise, recreation, social contact, etc.).
• Fred (66, Utah USA) then joins the discussion, and Drew asks him for a report on his practicing the Key Sound in front of a mirror. A few chats previously, Fred had reported great difficulty with the exercise, due to "furballs" (unresolved emotional wounds).Coincidentally Fred reports that he'd taken a little time off from practice to travel, and that when he returned home and to the mirror, he'd become aware of a positive shift in his experience with the mirror!
• Noting the coincidence, Jack offers a more detailed hypothesis of the relationships between the practice/no practice cycle, and the Key Sound/regular breath cycle.
• Fred and Drew then discuss how the Male Multiple Orgasm practice has changed their feelings about themselves and about life.
• Fred notes that the whole process, including the weekly chats, has offered him relief from loneliness.
• Drew offers a very moving description of a challenge remaining in his life: now that he has access to this wonderful energy, how does he connect with a partner who can share it?
• This discussion is temporarily bookmarked due to the arrival of newcomer ILORAX (40, New Hampshire USA).
• Fred, Drew, and Jack all respond to ILORAX's questions about what these kinds of orgasmic sensations are like.
• Jack then offers ILORAX and our whole community of readers and practitioners a suggestion for browsing the Annotated Chat Archive Index by keyword.
• Fred responds to ILORAX's question regarding difficulty locating the lower penis hot spots by sharing his experience and the time it took him to awaken them, and by emphasizing the importance of not trying to rush the process.
• Jack invites Drew (and Fred) to try "an experiment in psycholinguistics" to (at least) partially address Drew's concerns about not being with a partner.
• Drew reports a definite positive shift in emotional state as a result of the experiment...
• Jack then suggests a tantric-type visualization employing the erotic energy raised through Male Multiple Orgasm practice for calling "the beloved" into your life.
• Fred learns the meaning of the term "tractor beam" (and of "Trekkie" and "Trekker"), and another intergenerational bridge is forged!
• Fred thanks Drew for the explanation and for the key to attracting his true love!
• Jack emphasizes the importance of using mutual consent with this kind of "tractor-beam"!
• Unfortunately Fred gets dropped from the IRC network and doesn't find his way back, this session, but sent his regards by phone.
• Drew and Jack review some ways for expanding social options to enable life to "deal you a wild card..."
• Jack suggests use of the Key Sound™ to express the feelings Drew might begin feeling as he actually gets the relationship he really wants.
• Jack points Drew to the "Success!" index page and to this Annotated Chat Archive Index for statements from women re: their experience with men who know how to have these kinds of non-ejaculatory Multiple Orgasms, and how they as women experience this same energy!
• Drew and Jack conclude with a final suggestion for a "reframe" (the "psycholinguistic experiment previously mentioned) of one of Drew's statements about having the relationship he wants.

jack> Good Evening Drew!

Drew> Hi Y'all!

jack> Good to see you again!

Drew> It's good to be here

jack> Fred has a prior social engagement, but sed he'd probably be joining us in a while...

jack> he has a report on further experiences

Drew> Cool, I'm hoping to get a progress from him

Drew> regarding his 'experiment'

jack> with mirror practice, not sure what else. To what experiment are you referring?

Drew> he seemed to be on the verge of a breakthrough of some sort.

Drew> I'm referring to the mirror work too. ovr

jack> Seems like it! Copy mirror :-) I'm also interested in hearing from each of you

jack> about any practice you may have had, attempting to continue to complete the second part of the Key Sound™ at higher levels of erotic arousal.

jack> .=ovr.

Drew> Unfortunately, I don't have anything to report at this time,

Drew> I don't think I've practiced at all since the last time I was

Drew> here. I like my practice to be of a longer duration

Drew> focusing on quality, and I haven't been able to

Drew> find a good time slot in order to do that. Also,

Drew> I've noticed a lack of interest from my body.

jack> I go through cycles like that too;

Drew> I know this because usually when doing a few valley breaths

Drew> there is an immediate response in my body i.e. tingling

Drew> and arousal, and an inclination to persue the pratice session.

Drew> Over the past couple of weeks, I have not been getting those responses,

Drew> so I have decided not to practice. ovr.

jack> Drew, I think that's an _excellent_ tip for our brothers and sisters to be aware of! That if

jack> your body seems to be saying, "I need a little break from the practice..." it's really

jack> important to listen! I REALLY support your NOT PUSHING in service of trying to get "IT"!

jack> I resonate fully to your goal of seeking _quality_

jack> in your practice sessions... quality of experience is what I'm understanding you to say... I think that such information from your deeper body self

jack> may ALSO be a signal to review your "Self-Care Checklist"... i.e., Am I getting: enough sleep? Recreation? Time away from "stress-mode", etc.

jack> How do you feel you're doin in those depts?

Drew> Actually, the self-care mode is what I've been engaged in

Drew> taking time to meditate, exercise, eat right etc...

jack> Excellent! My hunch is that if you're doin that, the "tingles" will come back b4 long...

Drew> I still have a couple of concerns regarding the quality of sleep

Drew> I'm getting, and also the limited time I'm spending out-of-doors

Drew> in what's left of the wonderful Michigan Summer sunshine. ovr.

jack> Yeah! I was gonna say, you better hurry for that outta doors! I'm glad you're aware of the self-care issue and are taking steps to tune it up where you feel it's needed. VERY important part of the whole system, wouldn't you say?

Drew> Oh, very much so. And it's so easy to go unconscious (i.e. not pay attention) about the whole thing...

jack> It seems that in our culture men often seem to be programmed to run until we break.

Drew> that's why I'm really paying attention to it now, to guarantee

Drew> that I get back on track.

jack> Sounds EXCELLENT to me, brother! I hope our readers take note! Meanwhile,

jack> it occurs to me that the cycle you're experiencing of moving from a time of fairly intense practice to a time of quiescence with it, is a larger version

jack> of the cycle of Key Sound / regular breaths... in that this quieter time vis a vis practice can

jack> give you some time to reflect and integrate how your sexual experience has changed

jack> since you began the practice. ovr

Drew> An astute observation indeed!

jack> :-)

jack> BTW, I see that Fred is about to join us!

Drew> I agree, and I know I will resume with renewed

Drew> interest and passion at the right time. ovr.

jack> I like your style, bro'! Meanwhile, when we get a chance, I'd like to hear what thots, impressions you

jack> may have in looking back. Good Evening Fred, and welcome!

Drew> Hi Fred, how's it goin'????

Fred> Thanks, Jack/

Fred> Hi, Drew. Read your last week's chat.

jack> Yes?

Drew> Yes indeed!

Fred> I don't want to interrupt the train

Fred> of your discussion. Please continue.ovr

jack> Actually we'd just reached a transition point, and I believe Drew has a question or two for you, Fred. That right, Drew?

Drew> Yes.

Fred> Fire.ovr

jack> ACTION watching Drew pick up the Talking Stick

Drew> I'm curious to know how practice with a mirror has been going for you. ovr.

Fred> It brought about terrible guilt feelings at first.

Fred> About sex. I didn't like looking into my eyes.

Fred> I tried it a couple of times more and nothing more resulted.

Fred> Then I was traveling for a while and didn't do it.

Fred> Interesting. This morning while shaving

Fred> I looked myself in the eye and liked the man I saw.

Drew> BRAVO!!!!!

Fred> But that wasn't really practice. But based on my liking

Fred> myself this morning, I will try it again soon.

Fred> As Jack would say, I hope it helps me heal.ovr

jack> Hey Drew, wouldn't you say that's

jack> a pretty darned good example of what we were just talking about?

Drew> Yes it is, and I would like to congratulate Fred,

Fred> I don't know if congratulations are due.

jack> They are, IMHO...

Fred> I don't feel responsible for it.ovr

Drew> speaking from personal expererience, I know how a persons

Drew> self-image, influences their experience of life...

Drew> and it seems to me that something has started to shift for you in that realm. ovr.

Fred> My God, I hope so, Drew! Thanks a million!ovr

Drew> You're very welcome.

jack> Fred, I hope you'll give your "Deeper Selves" some credit for doing some good integrative work while your conscious attention was directed elsewhere!

Fred> I don't know about "Deeper Self." I do believe, however,

Fred> that the "progress" has something to do with the mirror practice and MMO.ovr

jack> Fred, I think you might enjoy reading this full transcript later, since before your

jack> arrival this evening (and let the record show Fred had no way to know what we were discussing prior to his arrival online) Drew and I

jack> were just discussing the benefits of taking a break from practice, and how this cycle of intense practice for a while, followed by some time off from practice, followed

jack> by resumption, in a way mirrors the cycle of Key Sound / regular breaths. As such,

jack> just as the time during regular breaths following a Key Sound reveals the all important "Echo" responses, the tingles, thrills, etc. that eventually amplify into orgasms,

jack> time off from practice can give one time consciously reflect on how things have changed

jack> with your sexual experience since beginning the Male Multiple Orgasm practice, and it can also give

jack> those parts of your personality which are outside of conscious awareness which, in addition

jack> to keeping track of things like how to breathe and walk and blink your eyes and digest, etc., also seem to be able to process input from experience and reflect

jack> shifts in feeling, attitude, etc. ovr

Fred> So far I have believed you, followed, practiced,,and

Fred> and have seen a lot of results. I shall continue doing so.ovr

jack> I'm glad to hear it's been helpful, and I hope you'll hear ALL of my theorizing as _that_ and I offer the ideas and metaphors in the spirit of suggesting possible working hypotheses. ovr

Fred> I understand this. Jack, you're a man who BELIEVES

Fred> and that is the most important, transforming,

Fred> thing in the world.ovr

jack> Thank you Fred, I believe in the validity of what I have been blessed to learn how to experience, and I believe in testing working hypotheses. Which leads me to my next ?, if I may...

Fred> Please go on.ovr

Drew> Shoot..!

jack> I'd like to know from both of you how your experience of sexuality, and your self (and

others?) in general has changed

jack> since you've been working with this practice?

Fred> Male Multiple Orgasm practice makes me feel more manly,

Fred> more one man among men. This I like and want very much.ovr

jack> Thank you... Drew?

Drew> For me it's been a double edged sword...

Drew> I have really enjoyed my 'self-love' sessions, moreso than at any other time...

Drew> and of course there have been lots of opportunities to grow, i.e. those darned furrballs...

Drew> the major one for me being

Drew> the reinforcement that I don't have a partner to share this wonderful energy with,

Drew> and I'm not any closer to achieving that goal, it seems

Drew> for me, I believe that issue goes beyond sexuality

Drew> it has to do with a combination of many things, yet I'm working on it, I still need to learn patience in this context though. ovr.

Fred> Jack, I would add that you and Male Multiple Orgasm have provided relief

Fred> from loneliness is an old refrain.ovr

jack> Whew... I am

jack> deeply moved by the openness of each of you! Fred I'm really grateful that thru the magic of Inet, we're all able to meet and learn from each other and become friends in this way... and

jack> Brother Drew, whew I hear that longing! And I'm really moved by your

jack> emotional honesty. It resonates that sexuality is a component among others, and... patience

jack> paradoxically is indicated, but is really hard when that longing pain is there! ovr

Fred> It's your turn, Drew.ovr

Drew> Oh, OK!

Drew> Thanks Jack, I'm encouraged as always by your kind and

Drew> supportive words...

Drew> I really do believe that it's only a matter of time

Drew> before I'm successful in the relationship department...

jack> I agree with that, Drew! Greetings ILORAX!

ILORAX> Hello

Fred> Hi, Ilorax!

jack> Where are you calling from and what is your age? I'm Jack (Oregon, 48), and here's Drew (40-what?) Michigan, and Fred (66) Utah...

Drew> As I said earlier, sexuality is only a component, Male Multiple Orgasm practice is really helping me in that area

ILORAX> New Hampshire 40

jack> Thanks, I, Drew pls continue...

Drew> AHEM! 35 actually....

jack> sorry (blush...)

jack> ILORAX, I just asked Fred and Drew what's different since they've been doing the MMO

practice...

Drew> NO PROB, age is not an issue for me at this time, actually

Drew> as I get older my life is improving so much

Drew> and I would not like to go back to an earlier period of my life. ovr.

ILORAX> I have only been at it half heartedly and have been reading so many different things

ILORAX> I think the breathing is helping me redistribute the energy of org

ILORAX> If I am interrupting I can just listen for a while

Fred> Please go on, Ilorax. I'd like to get acquainted,

Fred> and I believe the others feel the same way.ovr

Drew> Me too, BTW welcome to the session. ovr.

jack> Yes indeed!

jack> ACTION watching ILORAX pick up the Talking Stick

ILORAX> Maybe I have been trying to rationalize this process too much

ILORAX> I have been trying to figure out if this is something like a prostratic orgasm

ILORAX> The concept is very vague to me ovr

jack> comments, gents?

Fred> The feelings are not vague at all.

Fred> They are definite intense feelings accompanied by

Fred> sort of reflexive motions that are not consciously directed.ovr

ILORAX> Are these waves that come at the peak of exhalation?

Drew> Definitely a process involving the whole body!

Fred> I feel a pumping sensation. Jack feels waves. I can't say when,exactly they come.ovr

jack> I feel waves, and strong _pulses_

jack> where my entire lower belly and genital

ILORAX> How long has it taken for this process?

Fred> I'm glad to hear that you feel pulses, Jack.ovr

jack> area seem to surge with the wave of erotic feeling. Copy, Fred! :-)

Drew> The active word is 'process' i.e. we're not done yet!

ILORAX> The life proces goes on an gets more interesting all the time

Fred> I can get the first good feelings within two or three minutes.ovr

jack> ILORAX, may ask you a couple of questions to help us get a fix on what info about this you have and what's new for you?

ILORAX> sure

jack> Thanks! Do you take 3 or 4 regular breaths between each time you use the Key Sound™ as I demonstrate in the audio seminar?

ILORAX> cant say exactly but I do take some

Drew> Hello

ILORAX> Hi Drew

jack> ILORAX, have you had a chance to look over

jack> the Very Important Tips articles listed at the top of the Main Index page?

jack> i.e., on the Web site?

ILORAX> Awhile ago maybe I should check them out again

jack> Yeah, it's useful to look'em over again after you've done some practice. Also there have been some VERY informative chats the last few months (all year, really!)... and a quick

jack> way to browse through them is to go to the Key Sound Male Multiple Orgasm Annotated Chat Archives Index page on the Web site.

ILORAX> Just being here is very motivational so I think my learning curve may improve

jack> (copy on that just being here... really glad you've joined us!!!)

Fred> It's really worthwhile, Iorax. I'd like to encourage you.ovr

jack> you can go to Edit and use the Find command to search by keyword through the annotations. It's a good idea of course to take a little time to browse through the whole annotated index at least once so you'll

jack> have some idea of the scope of it. I hope

jack> those chat index tips, etc. are helpful... Meanwhile, what other questions can we

jack> answer for you?

ILORAX> I don't seem to find any sensitive spots on the lower part of my penis , am I trying to transfer erotic areas?

Fred> I didn't either, Ilorax, for a long time. But they DEVELOP feeling as you go along.ovr

ILORAX> Fred what is a long time?

Fred> For me, I'd say it was maybe six months.ovr

jack> Practicing how often, Fred?

Fred> Two or three times a week. I'd see that I didn't start

ILORAX> Oh maybe I'm in too much of a rush

Fred> developing anything until the first very low, very soft

Fred> key sounds brought a reaction.

Fred> I think that being in too much of a rush is the main obstacle to progress.ovr

ILORAX> Thank you for welcoming me here. I am in the middle of painting my kitchen and must leave. This has been very inspirational I will have a real mess if I don't go. I will be back sometime Thanks

Fred> I might add that my first reactions were more muscular than pleasure. Twitching.ovr

jack> Ok ILORAX sorry you gotta go, hope the info has been helpful, and hope to see you again!

jack> Full transcript will be on the web site tomorrow

Drew> OK ILORAX, please join us again soon, best wishes!

jack> ILORAX, pls send me your email address to jack@multiples.com!

jack> Drew, I'd like to pick up a few loose threads from

jack> our conversation, and I realize it's probably getting pretty late for you...

Drew> Yep, I can go a little while longer though, ovr.

jack> OK, first, a little experiment in psycholinguistics, interested?

Drew> OOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKK!

jack> :->

jack> If you're feeling stuck with a particular life situation,

jack> it can be interesting to experiment with changing the _language_ you use to _describe_ that situation... for example,

jack> you earlier described your situation in part as "...I don't have any partner to share this wonderful energy with..." is that a fairly correct recollection?

Drew> Yes, ovr.

jack> Ok, here's the first part of the experiment: right now take a moment to say that statement

again out loud, and then tune into how you're feeling in your body... you may not even

jack> have a name for the feeling, but just let me know when you've made the statement and

jack> you have a sense of SOME kind of feeling associated with that statement... ok?

Drew> Oh yeah, ovr.

jack> Now do the same process with THIS statement:

jack> "...I don't have any partner to share this wonderful energy with...yet..."

Drew> That helps, it pre-supposes that I will at some future time, ovr.

jack> Did you notice a SHIFT in your emotional state?

Drew> Yes I did, ovr.

jack> Quod Erat Demonstrandum, eh Fred? :-)

Fred> Right. QED.

jack> So brother Drew, I invite you to try

Drew> You guys are doin' latin now?

jack> a similar experiment with "I'm not any closer" and get back to us...

jack> latin... fancy schmantzy talk for That was demonstrated... Q.E.D.

Fred> I'm going to try doing it myself, Drew -- in American English.ovr

jack> Good one Fred!!! :-0

jack> Drew, latin exigesis (greek) aside (english, I think), did you get

jack> the suggestion about "I'm not any closer..." ?

Drew> Fred, I sometimes have trouble with that too!

Fred> With what, Drew?ovr

Drew> American English, Fred...

Fred> I understand.ovr

jack> So... my friend, did you get the suggestion about trying the same process with

jack> "I'm not getting any closer" and getting back to us?

Drew> Yes I did, in my own studies, I have learned much about

Drew> language patterns. Don't you think

Drew> It's easier to recognize the language patterns of

Drew> another, and also to reframe them or put the dynamic process back into the system

jack> absuhlewtley

Drew> forme, it's tougher to do with mice elf, ovr.

jack> Isn't there a newsgroup for that?

Drew> Probably!

jack> :-)

jack> Listen, b4 we bail, there's one more suggestion on my list... if I may...

Fred> Please . . .

Drew> Go ahead...

jack> As you raise the erotic energy in your practice and as the pulses, waves, etc. begin to happen, consciously direct that

jack> energy through your heart like a tractor beam to call your beloved...

Drew> WOW! I like that!!!!!!!!!!!

Fred> What is a tractor beam?

jack> Drew, care to run the QED on that one?

Drew> Fred's not a TREKKIE I guess...

Fred> I don't know what that means, either.ovr

jack> Or TrekkER, either!

jack> go, Drew!

Drew> OK Fred, on the TV show STAR TREK, the USS Enterprise

Drew> has the ability to send out into space, the so called

Drew> 'tractor- beam'. It is a beam of energy that has the

Drew> ability to attract whatever it is directed at, and attract

Drew> it toward the ship, I've also seen them use it to tow

Drew> another vessel, and the idea of sending out my own beam

Drew> of energy to attract an appropriate mate is way cool, thanks Jack, ovr.

Fred> Thank you, Drew. I never would have got it -- or my true love!

jack> QED, Brother Drew!!!

jack> One fine tuning of the tractor beam, when used to attract the beloved...

Drew> Just use your imagination Fred... and allow it to happen, ovr.

Fred> I will.ovr

jack> In Star Trek, tractor beams can be used to pull in vessels against their will... not a good idea with this kind of practice... MUTUAL CONSENT may go something like this...

jack> assume that there may be a number of potential partners in the world. That's the way nature seems to set up everything else... seems like stuff gets way more than one chance to happen...

jack> try THAT as a working hypothesis if you prefer... part of the experiment

Fred> OK.ovr

jack> perhaps further assume that these potential partners are AT SOME LEVEL sending out a similar message from THEIR heart for... "someone like you"... THEN,

jack> in daily life, do something different, even a LITTLE bit different, in your social patterns that

Drew> Yes, I agree. Also, I've noticed that the Universe gives people exactly what they want, so it's good to be specific, ovr.

jack> can put you around or in touch with other people... in this way, as Brett Hill says, you can "let life deal you a wild card!" ovr

Drew> Brett Hill???

jack> He's an author and publisher... http://www.lovemore.com

Drew> I like the URL, and the quote, ovr.

jack> oops, Fred just got timed out and dropped from the channel. Glad you like the quote, I did

too. So in fact, you can direct the erotic energy into THAT kind of a visualization too,

jack> just be careful what you ask for!!!!

Drew> DO you have any suggestions

Drew> for making a change in my social patterns, ovr.

jack> Dont really know what your patterns are, but the general concept is to do things which interest you AND involve other people.

jack> That way you already have some common interest established. I might add, things that

jack> involve other people that you have SOME oppty to interact with in a casual, non-threatening way... so not exactly going to movies,

Drew> I do quite a bit of that at present, the trouble seems to arise when I encounter someone that I'm attracted to...

jack> but it can be community action activities, community service, museums, gallery openings if you're into it, musical events, etc.

Drew> I guess I have a lot of furrballs that come up, ovr.

jack> Then ask for NON-"date" type further meetings. Cuppa coffee, whatever...

jack> Ok brother, then there is your Growing Edge, eh? Isn't cool to have the clarity? Like ANOTHER friend of mine, says, "Oh shit, Thank God!" ovr

Drew> Sometimes even that can seem like a major step, I guess I'm going to have to take a few risks, ovr.

jack> THAT'S where the power for change is! THAT'S the zone where life can deal you the wild card!

Drew> I like the 'Thank God, Oh Shit!', I'm also aware

Drew> that I've just switched those two terms around...

jack> and?

Drew> a Freudian slip perhaps, yet somehow I don't think so...

jack> therefore?

Drew> It's kinda like, 'when I get what I want, then what do I do', after all

jack> use the Key Sound™ as I demonstrate in the audio seminar!!!

Drew> a relationship is also a process, and very hard work at times

Drew> Ok!!! NOW I get it!!!

jack> that was intended as a response to the what do I do question... :-)

jack> copy about the hard work... yes, some agony, and hopefully some ecstacy...

Drew> I there are many skills that I need to develop, in order to create the kind of relationship I want to have

jack> You might throw that one in the psycholinguistic experimental hopper as well... :-)

Drew> copy:re Key Sound™ as I demonstrate in the audio seminar!!!

jack> :-)

Drew> Actually, this has just prompted a ?

jack> yes...

Drew> I'm really curious about feedback from women

Drew> Do you have any?

jack> Check out the Success! for some. And there is one chat where Lynda, MikeD's partner

talked about what it's like for her. You can

jack> find the chat by using the search method I described earlier for the Male Multiple Orgasm Annotated Chat Archives Index page and search on her name

Drew> Yes, I saw that one, BTW, I have received the tape you sent

Drew> Many thanks!!!

jack> Women AND men I have talked with about this say they really like it, when it's communicated in a loving, contactful way... it turns them on BIG time!

jack> You're welcome re the Third Edition. Let me know what you think after you've had a chance to hang out with it a bit...

Drew> I'll do that.

jack> Did you get the suggestion

jack> about tossing that third statement into the hopper for a reframe... the

jack> one about "There are many skills I (still) need to develop in order to create the kind of relationship I want." ovr

Drew> Yes, I did. It's all about PROCESS. Even the word relationship is a 'nominalization', and

Drew> removes the process of 'relating' from the ongoing experience, ovr.

jack> What the words seem to be saying is that "I'm not ready to create the kind of relationship I want to have." ovr

Drew> Yes, I know they do, perhaps a reframe is in order...

jack> Lemme know how it goes...

Drew> "I have the ability to learn new ways of relating to others" would be a good place to start, ovr.

jack> And, after a deep breath, and maybe a little Key Sound Mirror Practice, "I am now creating the relationship I want to have with a partner..." ovr

Drew> Good suggestion, listen Jack it's now O four hundred (GMT of course), and as much as I would like to carry on

Drew> I really need to get to bed, ovr.

jack> Me too! I've promised the World that I'll have the channel open again at 3 a.m. my time 1000 GMT to allow our friends in the PacRim a chance to join the discussion! We've ran a

jack> marathon tonite, my friend, and I think it was VERY productive! I learn a LOT from our discussions!

jack> we've RUN a marathon, now my english is going too!

Drew> Me too!, I think I'll send you some e-mail when I get get it together

Drew> hopefully before next weeks session, ovr.

jack> Ok brother, thanks very much. It was a good one tonite. Thanks for being such an integral part of it.

jack> Ok Drew, copy on that b4 next week.

jack> ACTION huggin Drew BIG TIME!

Drew> I' m glad that I am

Drew> ACTION Returning MONSTER Hug!!!!

jack> See ya next week I hope! Be gentle with yourself...

Drew> You too! See Ya!
jack> ACTION hangin a sign on the door sayin back at 1000 GMT Thursday